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The First Human Head Transplant Will Take Place in December 2017

They'll cancel it I'm sure or it's fake idk, but it's creepy just thinking about it. Heck listening to this TED Talk is creepy.

https://edgylabs.com/head-transplant-canavero/


about 18 minutes



Believe it or not, Canavero has a volunteer for this medical adventure: Valery Spiridonov.

Spiridonov is a Russian-born man who suffers from a rare condition known as Werdnig-Hoffmann Disease.

The disease that he bears has cost him his body from the neck down, leaving him with broken down muscles and nerves, including those all-important nerve cells in the spinal cluster that enable people to stand and walk.

Spiridonov lives his life in a wheelchair, barely able to feed himself, type, and move around with the help of a joystick. It’s a fate I can’t even begin to imagine. Yet, it’s a good indication of why he might volunteer for history’s first head transplant.

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Reply #1 posted 11/17/17 3:09am

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Interesting.
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no it is not

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Reply #3 posted 11/17/17 9:47am

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I was kind of hoping to read it is Trump, but no luck.

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Updated | The scientific team planning to carry out the world’s first human head transplant have announced the successful repair of severed spinal cords in rats, confirming their proof-of-principle study and helping show their technique “works across the board.”

Sergio Canavero, the neuroscientist who first announced plans to carry out a head transplant in 2015, tells Newsweek the rats treated with the Gemini Protocol —his method of fusing spinal cords—regained movement and that there were no adverse side effects recorded.


http://www.newsweek.com/head-transplant-sergio-canavero-repair-spinal-cord-rats-625689

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Like watching a trainwreck, I can't look away.

  • Natalie Dreier, Cox Media Group National Content Desk
7:58 a.m. Friday, Nov. 17, 2017 National/World News


http://www.ajc.com/news/world/professor-team-has-performed-first-successful-human-head-transplant-using-cadavers/qHuksy1LngjW3xxgX2FUoN/

Canavero said the procedure happened in China because “the Americans did not understand” and wouldn’t fund the experiments, USA Today reported.

Experts in the medical community said that a procedure like this would not be allowed in either the United States or Europe.

While it’s being called a head transplant, it’s technically a body transplant, where the recipient with a functioning brain will have his head transplanted to a donor’s body who has been declared brain dead, USA Today reported.

Doctors will fuse the spinal cord and attach blood vessels and muscles then the patient will be kept in a coma for a month as the person heals, Newsweek reported. If it is successful, the patient could walk again, Canavero claims.

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Reply #6 posted 11/17/17 3:35pm

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eek whoa... opening doors in medical advancement that maybe, just maybe, should remain closed? because, where do the living bodies come from when a quadriplegic wants to be transferred onto a functioning body....?

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If it works, oh wow. I can't say it shouldn't be done especially after reading about the guy volunteering, but yeah it is busting down the door. Will we see Walt Disney walking around in the not too distant future?

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Reply #8 posted 11/18/17 12:37pm

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bologney it was done in the 70's...Ray milland and rosie grier

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i will say this again...this is a hoax

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Reply #10 posted 11/18/17 3:36pm

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This thread reminds me of a bizarre horror movie I saw as a kid called The Two-Headed Transplant... razz

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Reply #11 posted 11/18/17 3:39pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

This thread reminds me of a bizarre horror movie I saw as a kid called The Two-Headed Transplant... razz

to me it is more like the flat earth topic

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Below involves experimentation on animals.



History



Alexis Carrel was a French surgeon who had developed improved surgical methods to connect blood vessels in the context of organ transplantation. In 1908 he collaborated with the American Charles Claude Guthrie to attempt to graft the head of one dog on an intact second dog; the grafted head showed some reflexes early on but deteriorated quickly and the animal was killed after a few hours.[1][4] Carrel's work on organ transplantation later earned a Nobel Prize; Guthrie was probably excluded because of this controversial work on head transplantation.[2]

In 1954, Vladimir Demikhov, a Soviet surgeon who had done important work to improve coronary bypass surgery, performed an experiment in which he grafted the head and upper body including the front legs, onto another dog; the effort was focused on how to provide blood supply to the donor head and upper body and not on grafting the nervous systems. The dogs generally survived a few days; one survived 29 days. The grafted body parts were able to move and react to stimulus. The animals died due to transplant rejection.[1]

In the 1950s and '60s immunosuppressive drugs were developed and organ transplantation techniques were developed that eventually made transplantation of kidneys, livers, and other organs standard medical procedures.[1]

In 1965 Robert J. White did a series of experiments in which he attempted to graft only the vascular system of isolated dog brains onto existing dogs, to learn how to manage this challenge. He monitored brain activity with EEG and also monitored metabolism, and showed that he could maintain high levels of brain activity and metabolism by avoiding any break in the blood supply. The animals survived between 6 hours and 2 days. In 1970 he did four experiments in which he cut the head off of a monkey and connected the blood vessels of another monkey head to it; he did not attempt to connect the nervous systems. White used deep hypothermia to protect the brains during the times when they were cut off from blood during procedure. The recipient bodies had to be kept alive with mechanical ventilation and drugs to stimulate the heart. The grafted heads were able to function - the eyes tracked moving objections and it could chew and swallow. There were problems with the grafting of blood vessels that led to blood clots forming, and White used high doses of immunosuppressive drugs that had severe side effects; the animals died between 6 hours and 3 days after the heads were engrafted.[1] These experiments were reported and criticized in the media and were considered barbaric by animal rights activists.[2] There were few animal experiments on head transplantation for many years after this.[2]

In 2012 Xiaoping Ren published work in which he grafted the head of a mouse onto another mouse's body; again the focus was on how to avoid harm from the loss of blood supply; with his protocol the grafted heads survived up to six months.[1]

In 2013 Sergio Canavero published a protocol that he said would make human head transplantation possible.[5][6]

In 2015 Ren published work in which he cut off the heads of mice but left the brain stem in place, and then connected the vasculature of the donor head to the recipient body; this work was an effort to address whether it was possible to keep the body of the recipient animal alive without life support. All prior experimental work that involved removing the recipient body's head had cut the head off lower down, just below the second bone in the spinal column. Ren also used moderate hypothermia to protect the brains during the procedure.[1]

In 2016 Ren and Canavero published a review of attempted as well as possible neuroprotection strategies that they said should be researched for potential use in a head transplantation procedure; they discussed various protocols for connecting the vasculature, the use of various levels of hypothermia, the use of blood substitutes, and the possibility of using hydrogen sulfide as a neuroprotective agent.[1][7]

In November 2017, Canavero announced that he and Ren had performed the first human head transplant on cadavers.[8]



Ethics

With regard to head transplantation, there had been little formal ethical discussion published in the literature and little dialogue among stakeholders as of 2017; the plans of Canavero were running well ahead of society's and the medical establishment's readiness or acceptance.[2] There was no accepted protocol for conducting for the procedure to justify the risk to the people involved, methods of obtaining informed consent were unclear, especially for the person whose body would be used; issues of desperation render the truly informed consent of a head donor questionable.[2] With regard to societal costs, the body of a person willing to be an organ donor can save the lives of many people, and as of 2017 the supply of tissues and organs from people willing to be organ donors did not meet the medical need of recipients; the notion of an entire donor body going to one other person was difficult to justify at that time.[2] Basic legal issues were also unclear as of 2017 with regard to whether only one or both of the people involved in a head transplantation would have any legal rights in the post-procedure person.[2]



My question is if this happens and the patient dies will charges be bought.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

i will say this again...this is a hoax




I don't blame your skepticism a bit. But dude isn't asking for money as far as I can see so what's in it for him? December is just around the corner so it won't be long either he puts up or shuts up.
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morningsong said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i will say this again...this is a hoax

I don't blame your skepticism a bit. But dude isn't asking for money as far as I can see so what's in it for him? December is just around the corner so it won't be long either he puts up or shuts up.

ok i take it back.... I will say if they actually attempt it, it will NOT be successful

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

morningsong said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: I don't blame your skepticism a bit. But dude isn't asking for money as far as I can see so what's in it for him? December is just around the corner so it won't be long either he puts up or shuts up.

ok i take it back.... I will say if they actually attempt it, it will NOT be successful

Medical knowhow has barely gotten to a point where doctors can transplant a face...with no guarantee that it will not be rejected by the body of the recipient. Can you imagine the complexity of trying to transplant a brain, let alone an ENTIRE HEAD, onto another body?!! nuts I don't think we have reached the ability of being able to do that yet... razz

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

ok i take it back.... I will say if they actually attempt it, it will NOT be successful

Medical knowhow has barely gotten to a point where doctors can transplant a face...with no guarantee that it will not be rejected by the body of the recipient. Can you imagine the complexity of trying to transplant a brain, let alone an ENTIRE HEAD, onto another body?!! nuts I don't think we have reached the ability of being able to do that yet... razz

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right even an organ requires a very specific match and even then medication to not reject that organ... so wait... what would the body even think was the foreign body? The body or head?


and when a nerve is connected there is often less than 100% reaction and it can take months or years to get back to normal if they ever do...even when it is a reattach of just a finger... Now this is nearly every nerve...and then they have to "tell" the heart to beat and all the other organs to do their thing... so yeah I could go on and on... this is NOT going to happen if they say it did they are lying

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The guy who's volunteering.
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There seems to be a go fund me account setup but it oddly stands at 0 dollars for something that's been talked about for at least 2 years so I think it's fake.
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Ok I see the Russian guy backed out. No explanation given so now it all haapening in China on a Chinese guy. Yeah gone too far behind the curtain for any real checks or balances to be done. If it doesn't succeed we'll never hear another word. Well that was a short ride.

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morningsong said:

Ok I see the Russian guy backed out. No explanation given so now it all haapening in China on a Chinese guy. Yeah gone too far behind the curtain for any real checks or balances to be done. If it doesn't succeed we'll never hear another word. Well that was a short ride.

This whole thing reminds me of several years ago when all these so-called researchers claimed to have the ability to clone people and they were going to show the world that they could! Uh, where are the clones and the claimers now? Still stuck watching "The Boys From Brail?" razz lol

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Reply #21 posted 11/20/17 2:13pm

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This just came up on the BBC news website...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/prog...s/p05nk9lp

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Reply #22 posted 11/20/17 2:31pm

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Human Head transplant???....LOL...

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Reply #23 posted 11/20/17 4:06pm

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No matter how hard I try, I just can't get my head around this. razz

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CherryMoon57 said:

This just came up on the BBC news website...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/prog...s/p05nk9lp




You know after 13 seasons of Greys Anatomy I should be an expert in medical terminology.

hrmph

I didn't understand much of what he said at all, but he keeps saying they're doing it.


Would you watch if they streamed the entire procedure in some way?


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RJOrion said:

Human Head transplant???....LOL...



I know right?


I'm talking mess about them altering DNA inside a person, and this pops up.

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morningsong said:

CherryMoon57 said:

This just came up on the BBC news website...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/prog...s/p05nk9lp




You know after 13 seasons of Greys Anatomy I should be an expert in medical terminology.

hrmph

I didn't understand much of what he said at all, but he keeps saying they're doing it.


Would you watch if they streamed the entire procedure in some way?



No! I don't think I could! feeling ill

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purplethunder3121 said:

morningsong said:

Ok I see the Russian guy backed out. No explanation given so now it all haapening in China on a Chinese guy. Yeah gone too far behind the curtain for any real checks or balances to be done. If it doesn't succeed we'll never hear another word. Well that was a short ride.

This whole thing reminds me of several years ago when all these so-called researchers claimed to have the ability to clone people and they were going to show the world that they could! Uh, where are the clones and the claimers now? Still stuck watching "The Boys From Brail?" razz lol

yeah and how cuba said they had a cure for cancer it is all lied

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

purplethunder3121 said:

This whole thing reminds me of several years ago when all these so-called researchers claimed to have the ability to clone people and they were going to show the world that they could! Uh, where are the clones and the claimers now? Still stuck watching "The Boys From Brail?" razz lol

yeah and how cuba said they had a cure for cancer it is all lied



Actually from what I've seen there have been a few claims of this thing too. My question is if it's common for people to do TED talks about stuff like this?

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A former vice-minister of health in China dismissed the possibility of clinical trials involving a human head transplant, adding that an experiment done in China had severely violated ethical rules.

“We will never allow such clinical trials to be carried out in China,” Huang Jiefu, chairman of the China National Organ Donation and Transplantation Committee and former vice-minister of health, told China Daily in an interview on Friday.

Huang said the committee is also taking measures that could hold Harbin Medical University accountable for allowing Ren to do such an experiment. “Repair of damaged spinal nerves and brain cells is a challenge that has not been overcome in any part of the world,” he said. “It’s a meaningless and ridiculous activity to draw attention by experimenting on a corpse.”


A patient’s identity does not change after having received an organ such as a kidney or liver donated by others, but who will the patient be after having the head changed?”

Huang said he has received phone calls from some top transplant experts in other countries who also suggested similar tests be banned.

“China’s organ transplant technologies in the liver, kidney, heart, lungs and small intestine have reached a world-class level,” Huang said. “China’s organ transplants should progress following indisputably high ethical standards.”



Funny, this is the only article that emphasizes the ethics of the situation.
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