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The 2017 NBA Finals

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The 2017 NBA Finals

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Begins Thrursday June 1, 2017 on tab-abc-100x60.png preceded by

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Schedule (all times EST):

Thu June 1: CLE @ GS, 9:00 pm

Sun June 4: CLE @ GS, 8:00 pm

Wed June 7: GS @ CLE, 9:00 pm

Fri June 9: GS @ CLE, 9:00 pm

Mon June 12: CLE @ GS, 9:00 pm*

Thu June 15: GS @ CLE, 9:00 pm*

Sun June 18: CLE @ GS. 8:00 pm*

*if necessary




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Reply #1 posted 06/01/17 7:01am

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If the refs don't control the outcome of the games.........Warriors in 6.

The eyes are useless when the mind is blind.
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Reply #2 posted 06/01/17 9:12am

Dasein

Steph Curry, historically, is underwhelming in a championship series. Kevin Durant, with his "life is
more to me than rings" mentality, is concerning. Klay Thompson doesn't get too many touches. It
is actually Draymond Green who will be doing a lot of damage, but he's a loose cannon.

LeBron James is not expected to win so he's no pressure on him after that heroic comeback last year
that was not aided by anything other than his team outperforming and scoring more points than the
other team.

Cleveland in six: they'll split the first two games in California, Cleveland will win games three and four
at home, lose game five back in California, and close out the series next Thursday at home in game six.






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Reply #3 posted 06/01/17 9:13am

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Dasein said:

Steph Curry, historically, is underwhelming in a championship series. Kevin Durant, with his "life is
more to me than rings" mentality, is concerning. Klay Thompson doesn't get too many touches. It
is actually Draymond Green who will be doing a lot of damage, but he's a loose canon.

LeBron James is not expected to win so he's no pressure on him after that heroic comeback last year
that was not aided by anything other than his team outperforming and scoring more points than the
other team.

Cleveland in six: they'll split the first two games in California, Cleveland will win games three and four
at home, lose game five back in California, and close out the series next Thursday at home in game six.


Lol....Dramond being suspended changed the series.

The eyes are useless when the mind is blind.
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Reply #4 posted 06/01/17 9:44am

Dasein

Graycap23 said:

Dasein said:

Steph Curry, historically, is underwhelming in a championship series. Kevin Durant, with his "life is
more to me than rings" mentality, is concerning. Klay Thompson doesn't get too many touches. It
is actually Draymond Green who will be doing a lot of damage, but he's a loose canon.

LeBron James is not expected to win so he's no pressure on him after that heroic comeback last year
that was not aided by anything other than his team outperforming and scoring more points than the
other team.

Cleveland in six: they'll split the first two games in California, Cleveland will win games three and four
at home, lose game five back in California, and close out the series next Thursday at home in game six.


Lol....Dramond being suspended changed the series.


Um, no it didn't. He played in games six and seven and the Warriors still lost. And please do not
appeal to the argument that his suspension for game five changed the momentum as there's a no
more unquantifiable stat than "changing the momentum".

Green's suspension only impacted one game; and it's not like the Warriors are completely unable to
win one game without Draymond Green. Conversely, if the Warriors had won game five, you would
not have said "That's unbelievable! They couldn't have possibly won game five without Draymond
Green!" You would not enjoyed the Warriors winning the series any less if they had done so in game
five without Green's involvement.

So, that typical ESPN-talking head argument doesn't really hold.


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Reply #5 posted 06/01/17 3:17pm

Graycap23

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Dasein said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol....Dramond being suspended changed the series.


Um, no it didn't. He played in games six and seven and the Warriors still lost. And please do not
appeal to the argument that his suspension for game five changed the momentum as there's a no
more unquantifiable stat than "changing the momentum".

Green's suspension only impacted one game; and it's not like the Warriors are completely unable to
win one game without Draymond Green. Conversely, if the Warriors had won game five, you would
not have said "That's unbelievable! They couldn't have possibly won game five without Draymond
Green!" You would not enjoyed the Warriors winning the series any less if they had done so in game
five without Green's involvement.

So, that typical ESPN-talking head argument doesn't really hold.


Lol....impacted 1 game, GS LOST by 1 game, thus impacted the series.

The eyes are useless when the mind is blind.
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Reply #6 posted 06/01/17 7:42pm

uPtoWnNY

Cavs will be lucky to win one game - defensively, they don't have an answer for Durant.

Durant really screwed up the balance of power in the west. I wanted to see what he & Westbrook would have done against the Warriors this time.

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Reply #7 posted 06/01/17 9:04pm

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The NBA Finals

Game 1



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The Cleveland Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors came into these NBA Finals for the third consecutive year, something that has never happened in the history of the NBA. Coming into this series Lebron James was chasing history, becoming the only player in NBA history outside of the legendary Boston Celtics dynasty of the 1960's to appear in seven consecutive NBA Finals. Meanwhile, Stephen Curry was seeking redemption for losing in last years' NBA Finals after having earned the best regular season record in NBA history. And Kevin Durant was seeking his first NBA title after falling short during his time with the Oklahoma City Thunder. Both teams came into this NBA Finals well-rested, so would anyone come out rusty?

It appeared that way in the beginning, as both teams missed a bunch of shots, but the rust quickly went away, and by the end of the first quarter both teams were playing at a fast pace. But by the second quarter it became obvious that the Warriors were the fresher team, as they played with ease on offense and were able to pass the ball to their teammates with fluidity and precision. Meanwhile, the Cavs began turning the ball over, which led to the Warriors extending to an eight point lead by halftime.

But it was the opening of the third quarter that decided the game. The Warriors went on a 13-0 run that put them up for good. They were led by Kevin Durant, who played with intensity and fury on his way to 38 points while also grabbing eight rebounds and dishing out eight assists. The Cavs would cut the Warrirors lead to 12 points late in the third quarter but could get no closer. Stephen Curry scored 28 points, shooting six 3-pointers while also dishing out 10 assists and grabbing six rebounds. Draymond Green added nine points and 10 rebounds. Lebron James led the Cavs with 28 points, 15 rebounds, and eight assists bot also turned the ball over eight times. Kyrie Irving scored 24 points while Kevin Love added 15 points and 21 rebounds, but the rest of the team was MIA as Golden State dominated once again.

Golden State leads series 1-0.

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Reply #8 posted 06/02/17 12:15am

uPtoWnNY

Twenty turnovers, bad defense, very little offense from Tristan Thompson & the bench plus Durant being Durant = a complete ass-whipping.

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Reply #9 posted 06/02/17 7:22am

Dasein

Graycap23 said:

Dasein said:


Um, no it didn't. He played in games six and seven and the Warriors still lost. And please do not
appeal to the argument that his suspension for game five changed the momentum as there's a no
more unquantifiable stat than "changing the momentum".

Green's suspension only impacted one game; and it's not like the Warriors are completely unable to
win one game without Draymond Green. Conversely, if the Warriors had won game five, you would
not have said "That's unbelievable! They couldn't have possibly won game five without Draymond
Green!" You would not enjoyed the Warriors winning the series any less if they had done so in game
five without Green's involvement.

So, that typical ESPN-talking head argument doesn't really hold.


Lol....impacted 1 game, GS LOST by 1 game, thus impacted the series.


They still lost games six and seven with Draymond Green playing.

Your argument is dumb, Gray.

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Reply #10 posted 06/02/17 7:23am

Dasein

728huey said:

The NBA Finals

Game 1



latest?cb=20070605174502Cleveland Cavaliers 91 47657117525.pngGolden State Warriors 113

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors came into these NBA Finals for the third consecutive year, something that has never happened in the history of the NBA. Coming into this series Lebron James was chasing history, becoming the only player in NBA history outside of the legendary Boston Celtics dynasty of the 1960's to appear in seven consecutive NBA Finals. Meanwhile, Stephen Curry was seeking redemption for losing in last years' NBA Finals after having earned the best regular season record in NBA history. And Kevin Durant was seeking his first NBA title after falling short during his time with the Oklahoma City Thunder. Both teams came into this NBA Finals well-rested, so would anyone come out rusty?

It appeared that way in the beginning, as both teams missed a bunch of shots, but the rust quickly went away, and by the end of the first quarter both teams were playing at a fast pace. But by the second quarter it became obvious that the Warriors were the fresher team, as they played with ease on offense and were able to pass the ball to their teammates with fluidity and precision. Meanwhile, the Cavs began turning the ball over, which led to the Warriors extending to an eight point lead by halftime.

But it was the opening of the third quarter that decided the game. The Warriors went on a 13-0 run that put them up for good. They were led by Kevin Durant, who played with intensity and fury on his way to 38 points while also grabbing eight rebounds and dishing out eight assists. The Cavs would cut the Warrirors lead to 12 points late in the third quarter but could get no closer. Stephen Curry scored 28 points, shooting six 3-pointers while also dishing out 10 assists and grabbing six rebounds. Draymond Green added nine points and 10 rebounds. Lebron James led the Cavs with 28 points, 15 rebounds, and eight assists bot also turned the ball over eight times. Kyrie Irving scored 24 points while Kevin Love added 15 points and 21 rebounds, but the rest of the team was MIA as Golden State dominated once again.

Golden State leads series 1-0.

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Here we go!

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Reply #11 posted 06/02/17 7:24am

Dasein

uPtoWnNY said:

Twenty turnovers, bad defense, very little offense from Tristan Thompson & the bench plus Durant being Durant = a complete ass-whipping.


Yeah, but is Cleveland expecting much offense from Thompson anyways?

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Reply #12 posted 06/02/17 7:35am

uPtoWnNY

Dasein said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Twenty turnovers, bad defense, very little offense from Tristan Thompson & the bench plus Durant being Durant = a complete ass-whipping.


Yeah, but is Cleveland expecting much offense from Thompson anyways?

He has to give them something down low.

Cleveland played right into Golden State's hands with those quick threes - missed threes lead to fast breaks/dunks. Cavs have to slow it down, play halfcourt and move the ball around.

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Dasein said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol....impacted 1 game, GS LOST by 1 game, thus impacted the series.


They still lost games six and seven with Draymond Green playing.

Your argument is dumb, Gray.

My statement is what actually happened.

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Reply #14 posted 06/04/17 8:08pm

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The NBA Finals

Game 2



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The Golden State Warriors dominated the Cleveland Cavaliers in game 1 of this series on both ends of the floor, scoring easily from the floor while also playing tight defense that forced 20 turnovers from the Cavs while they tied an NBA record low four turnovers in that game. However, Lebron James had a history of rebounding in game 2 of the NBA Finals, winning four of six contests. But the Warriors were getting an additional boost with the return of Steve Kerr coaching from the sidelines.

Early on, though, the Cavs came out with much more energy, crashing the boards and getting some huge buckets from Kevin Love, who played a strong first half and would finish with 27 points and seven rebounds. The Cavs even forced a number of turnovers on Golden State in the first half, nearly doubling the number of turnovers in the first quarter that they had in all of game 1, and they also got Draymond Green into early foul trouble. Even so, they didn't have an answer for Kevin Durant, and in this game they didn't have an answer for Klay Thompson, as he exploded from the field and finished with 22 points. The Warriors would extend the lead to double digits in the second quarter, but the Cavs refused to go away, even cutting the lead to one late in the first half.

But it seemed very time the Cavs got close, the Warriors would hit a 3-pointer or make a transition bucket to extend their lead. But by the middle of the third quarter the floodgates opened once again. Kevin Durant led the way with 33 points, 12 rebounds, six assists, five blocked shots, and three steals. Stephen Curry finished with a triple double, scoring 32 points, dishing out 11 assists and grabbing 10 rebounds. Draymond Green, despite getting into foul trouble, added 12 points, six assists, and six rebounds. Lebron James also had a triple double, scoring 29 points, dishing out 14 assists, and grabbing 11 rebounds while also making three steals. However, Kyrie Irving had a difficult night, scoring 19 points while shooting 8 for 23 from the floor. And once again the Cavs supporting cast was mostly MIA, with Tristan Thompson and Kyle Korver scoring just eight points each while J.R. Smith was held scoreless and had four personal fouls.

Golden State leads series 2-0.

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Reply #15 posted 06/04/17 10:27pm

uPtoWnNY

This series is OVA. The Warriors are loaded - with Durant, they are too much for any team to deal with defensively. Love, Irving, Frye, Korver & Deron Williams don't scare you on defense. Shumpert's game has not progressed since his Knick days - dude still can't shoot.Scary thing is, Golden State would have scored more without the turnovers. Now that Klay found his stroke, forget it.

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Unless the Cavs can turn the tide and tie it up 2-2 in Cleveland I have to agree it's done. I wouldn't be surprised if GSW sweep the Cavs 4-0. If Cleveland lose does Lebron consider his options and go elsewhere in search of more rings?. He's been clearly light years ahead of his team mates even Kyrie so I don't think he'll continue being the one Man show and in a few years he'll be having less minutes so really he needs to go to a younger team where he can play the leader role. I actually like LBJ turning up at the Celtics as they have some talented younger players and were Eastern conference finalists so adding James to the mix would make an interesting opponent to the Warriors. I think GSW are the Showtime Lakers of the modern day. KD has been a superb addition to the team and even guys like McGee have stepped up so unless they manage to turn it around again I think the NBA championship will be the Warriors.
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Reply #17 posted 06/05/17 8:49am

Dasein

The series doesn't start until the end of game three. That's when we'll see what the deal is. So, I'm
of the school of thought that when you lose a home game, then we can start to make really educated
guesses about how a series will unfold.

Remember last year, the Warriors easily won the first two games at home; and then Cleveland won
game three at home. We all know what happened next . . .

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Reply #18 posted 06/05/17 8:55am

uPtoWnNY

Dasein said:

The series doesn't start until the end of game three. That's when we'll see what the deal is. So, I'm
of the school of thought that when you lose a home game, then we can start to make really educated
guesses about how a series will unfold.

Remember last year, the Warriors easily won the first two games at home; and then Cleveland won
game three at home. We all know what happened next . . .

Like LeBron said, this is a different Warriors team. Durant is the X factor.

Get the broom ready, especially if Cleveland keeps trying to beat GS at their own game. You have to slow it down, play ugly and stop jacking up quick threes.

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Reply #19 posted 06/05/17 12:56pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

Cavs will be lucky to win one game - defensively, they don't have an answer for Durant.

Durant really screwed up the balance of power in the west. I wanted to see what he & Westbrook would have done against the Warriors this time.


In changing the balance of power for the West, Durant changed it for the entire league. No team in the league has enough skilled wingmen to defend the combinations the Warriors can use to score.



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Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #20 posted 06/05/17 2:32pm

Dasein

uPtoWnNY said:

Dasein said:

The series doesn't start until the end of game three. That's when we'll see what the deal is. So, I'm
of the school of thought that when you lose a home game, then we can start to make really educated
guesses about how a series will unfold.

Remember last year, the Warriors easily won the first two games at home; and then Cleveland won
game three at home. We all know what happened next . . .

Like LeBron said, this is a different Warriors team. Durant is the X factor.

Get the broom ready, especially if Cleveland keeps trying to beat GS at their own game. You have to slow it down, play ugly and stop jacking up quick threes.


You're right.

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Reply #21 posted 06/05/17 3:37pm

uPtoWnNY

Dasein said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Like LeBron said, this is a different Warriors team. Durant is the X factor.

Get the broom ready, especially if Cleveland keeps trying to beat GS at their own game. You have to slow it down, play ugly and stop jacking up quick threes.


You're right.

In order for Cleveland to have a chance of winning ONE game, LeBron needs three of his guys to have lights-out performances. Who kidnapped J.R.? biggrin

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uPtoWnNY

namepeace said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Cavs will be lucky to win one game - defensively, they don't have an answer for Durant.

Durant really screwed up the balance of power in the west. I wanted to see what he & Westbrook would have done against the Warriors this time.


In changing the balance of power for the West, Durant changed it for the entire league. No team in the league has enough skilled wingmen to defend the combinations the Warriors can use to score.



With a healthy Kawhi Leonard, Spurs had a chance to at least make GS sweat.

Barring injury, we could see another Bulls-like dynasty in the making.

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uPtoWnNY said:

namepeace said:


In changing the balance of power for the West, Durant changed it for the entire league. No team in the league has enough skilled wingmen to defend the combinations the Warriors can use to score.



With a healthy Kawhi Leonard, Spurs had a chance to at least make GS sweat.

Barring injury, we could see another Bulls-like dynasty in the making.


Nobody else has 4 All-Stars and 3 of the best shooters in NBA history. You'd need 3 scorers and a slew of perimeter defenders. Teams could have roughed these guys up in prior eras, but under the New Rules they are going to be tough to beat 4 of 7 year in and year out.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

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No bad refs = no Cavs wins
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Reply #25 posted 06/06/17 9:01am

Dasein

namepeace said:

uPtoWnNY said:

With a healthy Kawhi Leonard, Spurs had a chance to at least make GS sweat.

Barring injury, we could see another Bulls-like dynasty in the making.


Nobody else has 4 All-Stars and 3 of the best shooters in NBA history. You'd need 3 scorers and a slew of perimeter defenders. Teams could have roughed these guys up in prior eras, but under the New Rules they are going to be tough to beat 4 of 7 year in and year out.


Agreed.

And, dynasties are good for sports. The Warriors play a beautiful game of basketball even though
I like to root against them. But, here are last years' games one and two scores:

104-89 Warriors
110-77 Warriors

. . . and we all thought the series was over, until game three went:

120-90 Cavaliers

So, let's wait and see! Yet, if I'm General Manager Griffin, I'm trying to figure out a way to get
Jimmy Butler onto my squad for next year.

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Dasein said:

namepeace said:


Nobody else has 4 All-Stars and 3 of the best shooters in NBA history. You'd need 3 scorers and a slew of perimeter defenders. Teams could have roughed these guys up in prior eras, but under the New Rules they are going to be tough to beat 4 of 7 year in and year out.


Agreed.

And, dynasties are good for sports. The Warriors play a beautiful game of basketball even though I like to root against them. But, here are last years' games one and two scores:

104-89 Warriors
110-77 Warriors

. . . and we all thought the series was over, until game three went:

120-90 Cavaliers

So, let's wait and see! Yet, if I'm General Manager Griffin, I'm trying to figure out a way to get Jimmy Butler onto my squad for next year.


Dynasties are good for sports when they have rivals with reasonable chances of beating them. Most every great dynasty had at least one. By signing KD away from OKC, they eliminated a rival.

Butler wouldn't be a bad pickup, if they coukd get some competent perimeter defenders as well.

The series won't be over until GS takes a game in CLE. But GS has lost only 4 games in 3 months. The Cavs are going to have to beat them at least twice in the next 3 days to make this a series. I don't expect lightning to strike twice.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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uPtoWnNY

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The series won't be over until GS takes a game in CLE.

That will happen tomorrow night.

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Reply #28 posted 06/06/17 10:03pm

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Graycap23 said:



Dasein said:


Steph Curry, historically, is underwhelming in a championship series. Kevin Durant, with his "life is
more to me than rings" mentality, is concerning. Klay Thompson doesn't get too many touches. It
is actually Draymond Green who will be doing a lot of damage, but he's a loose canon.

LeBron James is not expected to win so he's no pressure on him after that heroic comeback last year
that was not aided by anything other than his team outperforming and scoring more points than the
other team.

Cleveland in six: they'll split the first two games in California, Cleveland will win games three and four
at home, lose game five back in California, and close out the series next Thursday at home in game six.





Lol....Dramond being suspended changed the series.




That piece of dog $hit SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED after Game 4 vs OKC. They should have NEVER gotten past the conference finals last year. Two clear chops to a guys balls is USUALLY seen as a flagrant 2. The rules were bent to satiate the emerging market of ass kissing bandwagon fans and the emerging Asian market for the team and league.

There IS no other explanation.

He knew damn well he was kicking Steven Adams in the nuts BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING THEIR ASSES BEAT DEFENSIVELY THE ENTIRE SERIES.

When i saw that SECOND nut chop, I was ELATED. ...it looked like a frustrated gutless tactic gone too far. It reminded me of the LAKERS QUITTING DALLAS ON COURT (*conference finals) so they could all be ejected and not have to wait out the loss. It was hilariously embarrassing. But the LEAGUE probably saw their cash cow hoofing away. I half expected Andrew Bynum in his Popeyes chicken managerial outfit to be up at his mom's house saying "Dats how you do it, Dawg!"

In a game of momentum, that was the turning point. Of course 6 games later the POS gets suspended for a weak play.


Too little too late.

That was a DISGRACE to a mostly reputable league/association. I hope Oakland chokes on LeBron's Dick. It'd be sad to see KD piggyback this weak way to get a ring.

Either way; for the series. ..Cleveland's offense is absolutely PREDICTABLE, their formation practically never changes (*this is awful) and Kyrie has got to stop the one-man drives in a double team. It's making him an easy target. Deron Williams can be seen accurately reading the floor (his motions tell me this) but his legs and knees are dust. HE IS A LIABILITY ON THE FLOOR
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Reply #29 posted 06/07/17 9:23pm

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Unless the NBA gods smile down on Cleveland; their PITIFUL last 4 minutes show their weakness. NO BALL MOVEMENT. "KOBE" BALL. SHAMEFUL. DISGRACEFUL. TYRONE LUE .....wake their asses up. They THREW THIS GAME AWAY despite the amazing plays from IRVING.

AND DESPITE *KYRIE'S HORRIBLE 12 SECOND POSSESSIONS ON THE LAST MINUTES. ....GARBAGE.


TYRONE LOU.....****GONE****


He scared NOW. HE MUST HAVE BOUGHT A NEW HOUSE IN THE MIDSEASON. Really ridiculous players.

I'm watching this fool trying to *justify bad decisions and MAKING EXCUSES for the team. HE WANTS TO KEEP HIS JOB DESPERATELY. AND HE'S KISSING THEIR ASS.

Embarrassing. The 4th quarter is a time for ROLE PLAYERS. Slip it in!

This was an embarrassment. they had it.
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