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The Curious Decline Of Paul Mooney



I would hate to see Paul go out as pitifully as Pryor did. Be sure to check out the photo of young Paul Moonie from the link.

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February 2, 2016 1:57 p.m.
The Curious Decline of Paul Mooney
By David Peisner


In his youth, Paul Mooney was a dancer. And you can see it, too, in vintage clips from the ’80s, in the lithe, graceful way he carried himself onstage during his comedy sets. Even as he entered middle age and beyond, and even after he took to performing while seated, Mooney had a dignified, almost regal bearing — no matter that he was, as always, laying waste to any notions of political correctness or politesse. “Kill every white person on this planet,” he said bluntly in his 2012 special, The Godfather of Comedy. “To end racism, that’s the only way.”

Today, that dancer’s elegance is almost entirely gone, replaced by a slumped and diminished figure with a rambling, uncertain delivery. The 74-year-old is still touring, though whether he should be is an open question. It’s a troubling state in which to witness one of the most important and underappreciated comics of the past half-century. And that’s exactly what Paul Mooney is. He was Richard Pryor’s writing partner and best friend. He’s worked with Redd Foxx, Eddie Murphy, and Dave Chappelle. A comedian’s comedian, he was known to command the stage at the Comedy Store in West Hollywood for hours, riffing acidly on show business, politics, and, especially, the ugly state of America’s race relations. Slavery, lynchings, riots — these weren’t isolated sins, they were the country’s foundation, and somehow Mooney made it funny. Filmmaker Robert Townsend, who cast Mooney in his satirical 1987 film, Hollywood Shuffle, says, “Paul didn’t care to be loved. He wanted to speak his mind. He taught a generation of comedians to be fearless.”

Now, though, Mooney’s legacy is in danger of being sullied by an increasingly disheartening series of appearances. Last May, he delivered a rambling performance on Arsenio Hall’s since-canceled talk show. A week after it aired, news outlets reported that Mooney had cancer, citing his cousin and sometime manager Rudy Ealy as the source of the info. I asked Ealy, who I’d been told lives with Mooney in Oakland, if Mooney was ill; he said Mooney was “fine.” (Despite agreeing to let me interview Mooney and inviting me to Oakland to do so, Ealy stopped returning my calls once I arrived in the Bay Area.)
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Helene Shaw, who was Mooney’s manager for more than 30 years, has a different view. “Those people around him right now,” she says incredulously, “are going to put this man onstage?” She says Mooney was living in Los Angeles until about two years ago, when he fell ill during a trip to Oakland. “Rudy’s just been around because Paul happened to get sick up in Oakland. He just grabbed him. When he was in his right mind, Paul hated Rudy.”

All this uncertainty is especially jarring given the man it surrounds. Paul Mooney has built, and occasionally undermined, a career by boldly delivering his version of the truth. “They said, ‘Paul, why don’t you sugarcoat?’ ” he snapped at imaginary critics during one of his routines. “I ain’t sugarcoating shit … because white folks didn’t sugarcoat shit to me.”

Many of Mooney’s bits don’t read like jokes. His comedy is more like a challenge: Can you take me seriously? Can you not? Laugh, or you’ll cry. As Mooney’s daughter Spring puts it, “There is no lukewarm.” And that applies to his relationships, too. Comedy Store veteran and Roseanne executive producer Allan Stephan says, “Paul is a very gentle, sweet man. I have nothing bad to say about him.” Jennifer Pryor, Richard’s widow, who has known Mooney since 1977, sees him differently: “I don’t have anything nice to say about the asshole.”

Paul Mooney was born in 1941 in Louisiana to teenage parents and raised mostly by his grandmother. He moved to Oakland as a child. As a teen, he competed in and won dance contests, eventually appearing as a regular on a local American Bandstand–like TV show called Dance Party. (Mooney counted future Black Panther Party co-founder Huey P. Newton as a high-school friend.) After a stint in the Army, Mooney got into professional show business by working as a circus ringmaster. Then, in the early ’60s, he saw Lenny Bruce performing in a bar and his life changed — he started doing comedy and moved to Los Angeles. Almost from the beginning, race was central to Mooney’s act. In his 2009 memoir, Black Is the New White, he writes that when he was starting, black comics had to “have one self for the master and one self that’s ‘just between us’ … I’m the first comic to bring a ‘just between us’ black voice to the stage.”

In the late ’60s, he met Pryor, who’d already had a career as a suit-and-tie-clad Bill Cosby acolyte, which he pissed away in 1967 with a self-lacerating onstage meltdown. The two became tight, eventually relocating to the Bay Area together, where they grew increasingly politically conscious. Pryor was reading about Malcolm X and listening to Marvin Gaye’s What’s Going On. Mooney joined an antiwar theater troupe called FTA, or “Fuck the Army,” where he performed alongside Jane Fonda and Donald Sutherland.

Mooney nurtured Pryor’s rebellious streak. Argus Hamilton, a comedian and former colleague of the duo’s, says, “It was Mooney that turned [Pryor] into Dark Twain.” When Pryor hosted Saturday Night Live in 1975, he insisted Mooney be hired as a writer for the episode. Mooney crafted a job-interview sketch for Pryor and Chevy Chase — tensions escalate until Chase says “nigger” — that remains one of the show’s most potent moments. As Chappelle has explained, “To see a black man on TV holding his own with a white man, that was television history.”

Mooney’s legend grew, but career opportunities didn’t follow. Hollywood, he wrote, was scared of “a proud black man like me.” Mooney’s friend Sandra Bernhard saw this up close. “If you’re an insecure white man, you might be a little threatened by Paul,” she says. “I’ll never forget I was ready to sign with this big management company in the ’70s, and they came to see me at the Comedy Store and said, ‘You have to lose the schvartze,’ pointing to Paul.”

By the mid-’80s, Mooney was back in L.A. and hanging with a group of comics later dubbed “the Black Pack” that included Eddie Murphy, Keenen Ivory Wayans, Hall, and Townsend. It was a creatively exciting time that resulted in a slew of projects, such as Murphy’s “Raw” tour (Mooney was the opening act) and accompanying concert movie, the HBO special Robert Townsend and His Partners in Crime (which Mooney appeared on), and Wayans’s groundbreaking show In Living Color (for which Mooney was a writer).

Despite the successes of many of these Black Pack–era projects, Mooney remained out of the spotlight. Townsend thinks his comedy cut too deep. “Some of the stuff he’d say would hit home so hard people in the audience would go, ‘This ain’t funny.’ ” But Mooney was also a master self–saboteur. Comedian Aries Spears had a bit about trying to bring Mooney aboard as a writer for Fox’s mid-’90s sketch series MADtv. “Soon as he walked in,” Spears recalled, “the producers were like … Are you familiar with our show?’ Paul went right into it: ‘I’ve seen your show. All of you niggas have stolen my material.’ ”

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Reply #1 posted 02/03/16 1:05pm

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I read that. Very sad but everyone ages.

Lucky for me I have seen him live several times and will always have the memories.

One night we stood outside the comedy club on Sunset and talked shit for well over an hour.

I wish I could have recorded that converation.

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Reply #2 posted 02/03/16 1:16pm

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Graycap23 said:

I read that. Very sad but everyone ages.

Lucky for me I have seen him live several times and will always have the memories.

One night we stood outside the comedy club on Sunset and talked shit for well over an hour.

I wish I could have recorded that converation.



Wow, I bet that was a helluva conversation.

I like when people are able to go out on top of their game rather than a sad, public decline. It hurts my heart to see him struggling like that. I suspect that Paul needs the money. sad

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Reply #3 posted 02/03/16 1:30pm

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babynoz said:

Graycap23 said:

I read that. Very sad but everyone ages.

Lucky for me I have seen him live several times and will always have the memories.

One night we stood outside the comedy club on Sunset and talked shit for well over an hour.

I wish I could have recorded that converation.



Wow, I bet that was a helluva conversation.

I like when people are able to go out on top of their game rather than a sad, public decline. It hurts my heart to see him struggling like that. I suspect that Paul needs the money. sad

I think Paul just likes being up on that stage..........no matter what.

After all, it really is all he knows.

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Reply #4 posted 02/03/16 3:48pm

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I'm say this much, I still love it when Paul Mooney disses and buries Hollywood! lol

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Oh my Gosh I did not know Paul had such an amazing Life-story...The Brotha was a Soldier, Dancer & a Circus Ringmaster..LOL..I mean, really...Somebody has to do a Movie about his Life...His early Life is so RICH a producer could turn Paul's Life-story into a Dramatic series or a Dramedy...The tid-bits the article touches on is PROOF Paul was always Fearless...

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Reply #6 posted 02/04/16 8:11am

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Oh my Gosh I did not know Paul had such an amazing Life-story...The Brotha was a Soldier, Dancer & a Circus Ringmaster..LOL..I mean, really...Somebody has to do a Movie about his Life...His early Life is so RICH a producer could turn Paul's Life-story into a Dramatic series or a Dramedy...The tid-bits the article touches on is PROOF Paul was always Fearless...



I would love to see some video of him as a dancer. That alone would be priceless. His comedy is a little caustic for me at times but there is no doubt that the brotha is one of a kind and I really feel for him.

It bothers me that he might have people around him who are exploiting him. Elders catch hell even if they happen to be celebrities. sad

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Reply #7 posted 02/04/16 8:38am

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i appreciate his work, racism aside. and i get the feeling that show business comes without health care, even really successful performers might not have reliable access to good care

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Reply #8 posted 02/04/16 8:45am

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I remember reading in "Right On!"magazine (1978 or 79....damn I'm old) that Paul was slated to play the role of Sam Cooke in a bio-pic on his life. It would have been interesting to see how he played him.

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SPYZFAN1 said:

I remember reading in "Right On!"magazine (1978 or 79....damn I'm old) that Paul was slated to play the role of Sam Cooke in a bio-pic on his life. It would have been interesting to see how he played him.


Mooney played Sam Cooke in the Buddy Holly Story which is from 1978. Maybe that is what you read.
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babynoz said:

Chancellor said:

Oh my Gosh I did not know Paul had such an amazing Life-story...The Brotha was a Soldier, Dancer & a Circus Ringmaster..LOL..I mean, really...Somebody has to do a Movie about his Life...His early Life is so RICH a producer could turn Paul's Life-story into a Dramatic series or a Dramedy...The tid-bits the article touches on is PROOF Paul was always Fearless...



I would love to see some video of him as a dancer. That alone would be priceless. His comedy is a little caustic for me at times but there is no doubt that the brotha is one of a kind and I really feel for him.

It bothers me that he might have people around him who are exploiting him. Elders catch hell even if they happen to be celebrities. sad

If Paul Mooney might be having problems related to alleged "forgetfulness" or "dementia-like symptoms" that can occur with older folks, where are his family members who are supposed look after him in this type of situation? If it is that type of situation...

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purplethunder3121 said:



babynoz said:




Chancellor said:


Oh my Gosh I did not know Paul had such an amazing Life-story...The Brotha was a Soldier, Dancer & a Circus Ringmaster..LOL..I mean, really...Somebody has to do a Movie about his Life...His early Life is so RICH a producer could turn Paul's Life-story into a Dramatic series or a Dramedy...The tid-bits the article touches on is PROOF Paul was always Fearless...





I would love to see some video of him as a dancer. That alone would be priceless. His comedy is a little caustic for me at times but there is no doubt that the brotha is one of a kind and I really feel for him.

It bothers me that he might have people around him who are exploiting him. Elders catch hell even if they happen to be celebrities. sad



If Paul Mooney might be having problems related to alleged "forgetfulness" or "dementia-like symptoms" that can occur with older folks, where are his family members who are supposed look after him in this type of situation? If it is that type of situation...


He has two twin sons that have beem doing stand up for over 30 years also. They've appeared on Soul Train, Showtime at the Apollo, BET Comicview, Uptown Comedy club among other series.
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Wow this is sad. I didn't know all that about his background. Wish I could have seen him dance too. Where are his sons????? confused confuse

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noimageatall said:

Wow this is sad. I didn't know all that about his background. Wish I could have seen him dance too. Where are his sons????? confused confuse

His sons were also a part of the movie, The Fish that Saved Pittsburg.

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Graycap23 said:

noimageatall said:

Wow this is sad. I didn't know all that about his background. Wish I could have seen him dance too. Where are his sons????? confused confuse

His sons were also a part of the movie, The Fish that Saved Pittsburg.

That's not what's being asked. No one cares what movie they were in. Where are they when their father might need their help is the question.

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purplethunder3121 said:



Graycap23 said:




noimageatall said:


Wow this is sad. I didn't know all that about his background. Wish I could have seen him dance too. Where are his sons????? confused confuse



His sons were also a part of the movie, The Fish that Saved Pittsburg.



That's not what's being asked. No one cares what movie they were in. Where are they when their father might need their help is the question.


This is the Mooney Brothers not they Wayans brothers. They are not successful. Paul makes a way better living then them.
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purplethunder3121 said:



Graycap23 said:




noimageatall said:


Wow this is sad. I didn't know all that about his background. Wish I could have seen him dance too. Where are his sons????? confused confuse



His sons were also a part of the movie, The Fish that Saved Pittsburg.



That's not what's being asked. No one cares what movie they were in. Where are they when their father might need their help is the question.


There is nothing you can do for someone who is just getting old. There is nothing that suggest that they aren't there for Paul. That is an assumption on your part.
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Graycap23 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

That's not what's being asked. No one cares what movie they were in. Where are they when their father might need their help is the question.

There is nothing you can do for someone who is just getting old. There is nothing that suggest that they aren't there for Paul. That is an assumption on your part.

I didn't assume anything. Some people are wondering where the children are in relation to the story posted. The story implies that Mooney has become reliant on someone who may not have his best interests in mind. It isn't clear what role, if any, his children are playing in taking care of their father. That is all.

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purplethunder3121 said:

Graycap23 said:

purplethunder3121 said: There is nothing you can do for someone who is just getting old. There is nothing that suggest that they aren't there for Paul. That is an assumption on your part.

I didn't assume anything. Some people are wondering where the children are in relation to the story posted. The story implies that Mooney has become reliant on someone who may not have his best interests in mind. It isn't clear what role, if any, his children are playing in taking care of their father. That is all.



Yeah, this is the comment that I found troubling.....

"Helene Shaw, who was Mooney’s manager for more than 30 years, has a different view. “Those people around him right now,” she says incredulously, “are going to put this man onstage?” She says Mooney was living in Los Angeles until about two years ago, when he fell ill during a trip to Oakland. “Rudy’s just been around because Paul happened to get sick up in Oakland. He just grabbed him. When he was in his right mind, Paul hated Rudy.”

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His sons were also a part of the movie, The Fish that Saved Pittsburg.

Not to be funny, but is "The Fish that Saved Pittsburg" a Porno-flick?

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Chancellor said:



Graycap23 said:



His sons were also a part of the movie, The Fish that Saved Pittsburg.



Not to be funny, but is "The Fish that Saved Pittsburg" a Porno-flick?


It's a basketball film staring Dr. J. Way better than Space Jam.
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Chancellor said:

Graycap23 said:

His sons were also a part of the movie, The Fish that Saved Pittsburg.

Not to be funny, but is "The Fish that Saved Pittsburg" a Porno-flick?

Like LitteBlueCorvette said....it is a basketball film starring Dr.J, one of my favorite basketball players ever, and it has James Bond III in it. It´s about an astrologer and fortune telling, a losing basketball team that is trying to pull itself together, a young kid (James Bond III) looking up to Dr. J as some kind of hero, and it has a strong late 70s, early 80s vibe to it. Lovely movie.

I think I still have it on VHS somewhere.

Funny that you think it´s a porn flick though..... lol The Fish that saved Pittsburgh. lol lol biggrin

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This is really sad news. I think Paul Mooney is a brilliant comedian. His racism is sometimes a tad too strong though. Not that I find him racist per se, and it doesn´t really bother me but sometimes it is just a little bit too much. Same with Chris Rock.

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I wonder why he doesn´t seek help or at least try to pull himself together and find ways to improve his show. This is his bread and butter, right?

I wish some of the younger folks would reach out to him to help him.

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He tells the truth. That's why.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Looks good here. crying laughing:

Meryl Streep to play Harriet Tubman? Classic. haha

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Looks good here. crying laughing:





Meryl Streep to play Harriet Tubman? Classic. haha


That was like 5 years ago.
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Mooney: Michael Jackson is not a pedophile, he is x-files.

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He's lorn worn here:

sad.

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He is tired of the bullshit.

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