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i mean were almost like in a newage scene of being under surveillance like in this movie of the past called 'fahrenheit 451' .

released: 1966. it's a sci-fi book written by author ray bradbury.

following fahrenheit 451 scene. acting out interactive tv game.

so here it is 2016 and

we go to the grocery store shopping, or to walmart, or just driving in certain areas throughout the u s and boom, there's cameras.

actually it's a good thing in a way, especially when things have gotten so rough on a day to day bases. many times innocent people have been attacked and somewhere there is a camera watching. so it's not all bad.

however sometimes when i go to walmart or out shopping, i wanna go into a fashion model mode. . i mean yeah, okay i look good, so camera me on. no problem.

but it makes one wonder if or when we will be under camera surveillance within our own homes.

here's some factual fodder to add a dimensions to individual povs.

9 Ways You're Being Spied On Every Day

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/government-surveillance_n_5084623.html

Read on to find out where you're being watched:

1. License Plate Reader

2. Sidewalk and Public Space Cameras

3. When You Use Credit and Loyalty Cards

4. On the Phone

5.

While You Watch TV
In the not-so-distant future, your couch-potato time may become a public experience. "There is technology that's built-in to so-called 'smart' TVs, which would allow the cable company (or potentially the government) to watch you through your television," says Bakke. "To date, however, it is not being used for that purpose."

On the slightly-less-creepy end of the spectrum, Nielson is currently permitted to (and does) sell TV-watching habit data from the households it monitors, says Alok. "[It can] be used to target ads to you." Nielson's web site promotes the company's wide-reaching data collection methods: "We measure more than 40 percent of the world’s viewing behavior—hundreds of channels, thousands of programs, and millions of viewers, …allowing clients to plan programming and advertising for their ideal audience."'

read more: http://www.huffingtonpost...84623.html

yeah, were being watched, you're being watched and i'm being watched, but who's watching the watchers?

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i think it's creepy. then again, one cannot ever, ever assume one has privacy in a public place. the law does not provide for this. when one is in public there is no expectation of privacy.

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as to privacy in our homes there is not as much as we think we have. law enforcement can monitor and record verbal conversations and electronic transmissions from a distance and basically scope out anyone they want to, without a warrant. there is tech that allows law enforcement (or whoever owns it) to 'see' through walls.

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on the one hand, it could be considered a good thing - here in minneapolis we have large numbers of immigrants from somalia, and the FBI has a MAJOR presence here because of this. i know the surveillance factor has helped law enforcement stop plots and terror cells.

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but on the other hand, when technology reduces us to profiles, and tracking cookies monitor our online movements, and 'smart' technology monitors us wherever we go with no accountability or opt-out option, imo there's a problem.

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ultimately, we have voluntarily surrendered our personal privacy. on facebook, the internets and through our own phones. when i got my smart phone and became aware of its 'features' such as google being voice activated communications ('say: OK Google') i also became aware that i carry around with me the very surveillance tool that would be most useful for anyone wanting to spook me.

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i don't see a solution to this - a breakdown of the grid would stop the problem, but that's drastic. maybe we all need our own personal hand held directional EMP generators. BzzzzZAP

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Yo uaren't under video surveliiance 65% of the time. At best, you're under video surveillence 65% of the time you are out and about in civilization.

I have no problem with cameras. Hundreds of thousands of criminals have been apprehended because of video surveillance. Thousands of kidnapped kids have been found because of it. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Facebook is the exact same thing as what is described in the article regarding targeted advertising. Facebook and Google and pretty much every other program track your internet visits and what you type, and then target ads to you that fit what they've learned about your interests. If you don't have a problem with Facebook or Google, you shouldn't have a problem with your cable company trying to tailor commercials to what they think you're interested in.

According to the statistics, the use of surveillance cameras by both authorities and businesses has dramatically increased over the last decade. In the US, for example, the Department of Homeland Security provides billions of dollars annually in Homeland Security grants for the agencies of all levels to install video surveillance equipment. The city of Chicago, for instance, recently used a $5.1 million grant to install 250 more surveillance cameras connected to a monitoring center. In the meantime, the city had already had the network of more that 2000 cameras in frames of the program called Operation Virtual Shield. The city Mayor Richard Daley promised that Chicago will have a surveillance camera on every corner by 2016.

: http://www.wsystems.com/n...types.html

and

Chicago's Video Surveillance Cameras

: http://www.aclu-il.org/wp...eport1.pdf

in many ways the expanding of surveillance upon it's citizens is an intrusion upon ones privacy, and the program is growing and intensifying as time moves on.

even private citizens/owners of drones with camera attachments can watch other citizens.

RodeoSchro said:

Yo uaren't under video surveliiance 65% of the time. At best, you're under video surveillence 65% of the time you are out and about in civilization.

I have no problem with cameras. Hundreds of thousands of criminals have been apprehended because of video surveillance. Thousands of kidnapped kids have been found because of it. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Facebook is the exact same thing as what is described in the article regarding targeted advertising. Facebook and Google and pretty much every other program track your internet visits and what you type, and then target ads to you that fit what they've learned about your interests. If you don't have a problem with Facebook or Google, you shouldn't have a problem with your cable company trying to tailor commercials to what they think you're interested in.

I don't do FB, but I agree with Rodeo. I don't do wrong things or commit crimes, so they can watch me all they like.

in some u s areas vehicle violations are issued to drivers via camera surveillance. that one is kind of creepy imo.

free2bfreeda said:

in some u s areas vehicle violations are issued to drivers via camera surveillance. that one is kind of creepy imo.

I think this awesome. There are so many terrible drivers on the road that think they can do anything they want and we all know there are not enough cops to enforce the traffic vilolations, so I'm all for this.

I think some automated red light or speed radar traffic surveillance is a little OFF.

And there are instances where I know a camera was triggered but if a real person was watching, they wouldn't have issued a ticket.


A robot camera gave me a ticket when I was actually travelling straight through an intersection and oncoming traffic turned in front of me. I proceeded when it was safe.

Anyone who has a total boner for camera surveillance says "YAH BUT YOO CAN GO TO COURT AND FIGHT IT". My point is... it started with the wack robot cameras, and sometimes I would rather not have them in the first place to defend myself from.

It's annoying getting the concept that anytime you are outside your house (and even a possibility even inside your house given the type of devices one has laying around) a huge percentage of the time you are being surveyed. 99.9% I don't even think about it, but it is healthy to keep it in mind because I'm sure there are stupid things people do when they don't think anyone is looking and it turns out the probability is someone is actually looking.

It's funny I just finally got around to the interview Snowden did for StarTalk and he brought up some interesting points even for those who aren't concerned about their right to privacy because of innocent behavior, me being one of them.

Live in the UK if you like camera surveillance.

Guitarhero said:

Live in the UK if you like camera surveillance.

Unfortunately, it's here to stay because of the fucked up world we live in.

I don't care.

one wonders

Watch Out: The Psychological Effects of Mass Surveillance

: http://www.goodtherapy.or...ce-0910137

excerpt:

Edward Snowden’s recent revelations about NSA spying have sparked a vigorous public debate, and employers routinely spy on their employees by tracking their email, logging their chats, and checking their Facebooks. Walk down any street or enter any convenience store and the odds are good that there’s a camera filming you. The line between public and private behavior is increasingly blurred. Some people are willing to sacrifice a bit of privacy to feel safer, but what about the psychological effects of all this surveillance?

dang the chances of doing grocery shopping and walking down an ilse only to get an itch in a private area of the body.

would one be afraid to scratch for fear of being caught by security camera?

Why do you think I keep my clothes on.

I'm all for it. Too many nudniks out there, doing crazy shit. You'll be glad they were there if something happens to you.

If you're not up to no-good, why would you care?

I mean, I'd prefer to only be shot from my good side. But you can't have everything.

RodeoSchro said:

Yo uaren't under video surveliiance 65% of the time. At best, you're under video surveillence 65% of the time you are out and about in civilization.

I have no problem with cameras. Hundreds of thousands of criminals have been apprehended because of video surveillance. Thousands of kidnapped kids have been found because of it. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Facebook is the exact same thing as what is described in the article regarding targeted advertising. Facebook and Google and pretty much every other program track your internet visits and what you type, and then target ads to you that fit what they've learned about your interests. If you don't have a problem with Facebook or Google, you shouldn't have a problem with your cable company trying to tailor commercials to what they think you're interested in.

Ace said:

I mean, I'd prefer to only be shot from my good side. But you can't have everything.

Ace, you have to post your damn pic if you are fine with cameras.

Cinny said:

I'm a law abiding citizen, but I do not like cameras on buses, stores, etc. Just don't like 'em.

yeah, one can just imagine the new and future market of camera photowhoring. like cutting and pasting an innocent at the scene of a crime after the fact. where the innocent becomes the suspect.

Horsefeathers said:

Cinny said:

I think some automated red light or speed radar traffic surveillance is a little OFF.

And there are instances where I know a camera was triggered but if a real person was watching, they wouldn't have issued a ticket.


A robot camera gave me a ticket when I was actually travelling straight through an intersection and oncoming traffic turned in front of me. I proceeded when it was safe.

Anyone who has a total boner for camera surveillance says "YAH BUT YOO CAN GO TO COURT AND FIGHT IT". My point is... it started with the wack robot cameras, and sometimes I would rather not have them in the first place to defend myself from.

And good luck facing your accuser in court.

The robot? I think the worst thing is the photos are interpreted after the fact, triggered only by one event of many, out of context, without a real-time sense of safety.

Ace said:

Too many nudniks out there, doing crazy shit. You'll be glad they were there if something happens to you.

This is true. I will take my red light ticket along with the good.

It interferes with freedom of press.


Whistleblowers are afraid to contact journalists, because every journalist his/her e-mail is read by the government.


Since journalists know that every move they make is registered by the government, they automatically censore themselves. Not even consciously.



It interferes with the accesibility of information. You only get to read/hear/see the information the government wants you to. That is a problem, because if you don't have all the information, you can't weigh it your self and formate you own opinion. Opinions are steered by the filter of access to information by the government.

And that is a problem. Especially if folks don't know that they deliberately get censored, but think they have freedom of information.

dJJ said:

It interferes with freedom of press.


Whistleblowers are afraid to contact journalists, because every journalist his/her e-mail is read by the government.


Since journalists know that every move they make is registered by the government, they automatically censore themselves. Not even consciously.



It interferes with the accesibility of information. You only get to read/hear/see the information the government wants you to. That is a problem, because if you don't have all the information, you can't weigh it your self and formate you own opinion. Opinions are steered by the filter of access to information by the government.

And that is a problem. Especially if folks don't know that they deliberately get censored, but think they have freedom of information.

That is so true.

I have no problem with Big Bruh watching...I'm cool with the NSA listening in to my Cell calls...If I buy one of those Smart TV's with the Mic I won't have any issues with the Company listening to my conversations anywhere in my house....I'm a Freak and I want them to listen and watch everything...They can watch me take Shower or whatever they want...I Love it and it's a turn-on...

u keep forgeting...theres the mind /computer interface program