independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > General Discussion > Why does the most common form of workplace discrimination get largely ignored?
« Previous topic  Next topic »
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Author

Tweet     Share

Message
Thread started 09/13/15 5:37pm

Pokeno4Money

avatar

Why does the most common form of workplace discrimination get largely ignored?

Of course I'm talking about discrimination based on level of attractiveness. Why have only a few cities passed personal appearance discrimination laws? Should an employee's attractiveness dictate how much they get paid, or how far they advance in a company?

I'd be curious to know how many of you have been discriminated against, or benefited from, bias based on appearance. Any good stories?



http://www.aol.com/articl...6982168737

It's proven time and time again that people who are tall, physically fit and facially symmetrical are oftentimes more successful than others in the workplace.

In 2010, Newsweek surveyed more than 1,000 people, some of whom were hiring managers, and discovered 72 percent believed being considered attractive was an advantage for a woman who's interviewing for a job.

And after the interviewee gets the job? Sixty percent of the hiring managers Newsweek polled thought women who wore figure-flattering clothing at work might have an advantage.

And in another study, so-called attractive people were found to make as much as 11-15 percent more than their less-attractive co-workers.

"Controlled studies show people go out of their way to help attractive people — of the same and opposite sex — because they want to be liked and accepted by good-looking people."

It's actually related to a type of cognitive bias called the Halo Effect, a term first used in 1920. A variation of the Halo Effect says people will often think attractive individuals are smarter, funnier, kinder and even more athletic than average-looking people.

Only a few U.S. cities have protections against discr...including Washington, D.C. and Madison, Wisconsin.



[Edited 9/13/15 17:38pm]

"Never let nasty stalkers disrespect you. They start shit, you finish it. Go down to their level, that's the only way they'll understand. You have to handle things yourself."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 09/15/15 8:06am

kitbradley

avatar

Yes. I agree with this 100%. Seen it happen time and time again. Even if they may be less qualified and lazy, "attractive" people often times do have the advantage in the workplace and in life, in general. But, unlike most people, I've learned (the hard way) to never judge a book by it's cover.

"It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
"The only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing." - Socrates
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 09/15/15 4:16pm

kewlschool

avatar

I'll play devils advocate, if your going to be a model, shouldn't they pick the more attractive one?

Good looking is subjective anyway. Looking for common ground with fellow employees can secure a better understanding of you and your work more than looks. Although looks will open the door, if you got nothing to back it up, they will kick you to the door.

This coming from average guy.

99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 09/16/15 4:39am

Chancellor

avatar

in 2015 your raise or promotion is not based on your looks (unless you're Fucking the Boss or whatever)...Anyways...The work-force is all about Networking...if your Boss and a couple of your co-workers Hate your Guts then you're Fucked..It does not matter if you're Pretty, Ugly, Skinny, Fat, Black or White....People (especially management) want to spend 8-plus Hours working with people they get along with on a professional level.....That's it in a nutshell....If you're not Fucking your Boss then you sure as hell better get along with him/her...

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 09/16/15 5:32am

JoeTyler

largely a myth, the highest paid people I know are average-looking, or just plain ugly

but it may be true that handsome-very handsome people get "protected" by their bosses, not necessarily sexual favours, but certainly teasing...

tinkerbell
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 09/16/15 5:43am

MoBettaBliss

because people are a bunch of horny m'f'rs

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 09/16/15 6:29am

JustErin

avatar

I have no idea if I have gained employment or missed out on it based on my looks but it certainly is true that a pretty woman is often considered a person that is lacking intelligence and positive personality traits and is often dismissed and/or belittled in male dominated workplaces.

Female dominated workplaces can be downright hostile in general but add insecure females and it becomes hell on earth.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 09/16/15 9:26pm

morningsong

A pretty person who knows the game does have an advantage. Even a stupid pretty person has a ton of advantage over a stupid ugly person,they do not go in as equals. But it does come down to knowing the game AND being willing/able to play it.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 09/17/15 5:54am

XxAxX

avatar

i think that people who perceive themselves as attractive and who are attractive tend to be more confident, outgoing and self-assured. and someone who is accomplished not only professionally but also socially (or who appears to be) would be a more likely choice for new hire by an employer. just my 2c

[Edited 9/17/15 6:40am]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 09/17/15 8:11am

PurpleJedi

avatar

MoBettaBliss said:

because people are a bunch of horny m'f'rs

yeahthat

By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 09/17/15 11:04am

OldFriends4Sal
e

XxAxX said:

i think that people who perceive themselves as attractive and who are attractive tend to be more confident, outgoing and self-assured. and someone who is accomplished not only professionally but also socially (or who appears to be) would be a more likely choice for new hire by an employer. just my 2c

[Edited 9/17/15 6:40am]

I work with a guy who said he's always had issues of getting ahead in the workplace because of his height. That taller men were respected differently

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 09/18/15 3:16am

Chancellor

avatar

OldFriends4Sale said:

I work with a guy who said he's always had issues of getting ahead in the workplace because of his height. That taller men were respected differently

I'll buy what he's saying if he's short & Black...Your coworker must be a non-Black guy becuz a Black Man ain't about to admit his feelings about his height to a Female coworker...White Guys tell all of their bizness...

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #12 posted 09/18/15 4:28am

JoeTyler

one thing that has always amused me is how differently men and women react in front of handsome co-workers: the dudes are lustful and horny like "wow, she's hot, I wish I could have sex with her or something, no strings attached" while the females seem nervous and quickly fall in love and have these dreamy eyes like imagining a wedding and kids, LOL

from my experience, of course, you don't have to agree

[Edited 9/18/15 4:29am]

tinkerbell
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #13 posted 09/18/15 8:32am

alphastreet

Workplace bullying and toxic environments are the worst.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #14 posted 09/19/15 2:14pm

UncleJam

avatar

JustErin said:

I have no idea if I have gained employment or missed out on it based on my looks but it certainly is true that a pretty woman is often considered a person that is lacking intelligence and positive personality traits and is often dismissed and/or belittled in male dominated workplaces.

Female dominated workplaces can be downright hostile in general but add insecure females and it becomes hell on earth.

Oh boy...you hit the nail on the head.

-

I work in a predominantly female office building. The vice president is a female, there are five managers (four females, one gay male), there are ten team leads (nine females, one male). It never bothered me until I was up for a team lead position; I have 18 years of management experience prior to this job, have been praised immensely in this female office...I'm 41 years old and lost the team lead position to a 21 year old female whose entire work experience prior to this job was working part time at a shoe store, and she just happens to be the niece of my manager's best friend...not to mention the fact that this 21 year old is the lesbian girlfriend of one of the other team leads.

-

I wont go so far as to call it "hell" (there's lots of females to flirt with, so I have a ball all day), but the shit is beyond aggravating.

Make it so, Number One...
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #15 posted 09/21/15 2:23am

Chancellor

avatar

In my opinion when Women are promoted to higher positions they tend to be the hardest working Managers, hands-down. Male-Managers are better at keeping their personal problems @ the door before the work-day starts..

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #16 posted 09/21/15 7:53am

hifidelity67

I hate nepotism n volitale work places. Ive wanted to throw a ton of workers n bosses over cliffs so many times.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #17 posted 09/22/15 4:23am

JoeTyler

hifidelity67 said:

I hate nepotism n volitale work places. Ive wanted to throw a ton of workers n bosses over cliffs so many times.

many people are just psychology unfit to work with other people, making life hell for the rest of us

tinkerbell
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #18 posted 09/22/15 7:31am

JustErin

avatar

Chancellor said:

In my opinion when Women are promoted to higher positions they tend to be the hardest working Managers, hands-down. Male-Managers are better at keeping their personal problems @ the door before the work-day starts..

Do you think the dynamic between female bosses and male subordinate and female bosses and female subordinate is different?

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #19 posted 09/22/15 5:51pm

Pokeno4Money

avatar

JoeTyler said:

one thing that has always amused me is how differently men and women react in front of handsome co-workers: the dudes are lustful and horny like "wow, she's hot, I wish I could have sex with her or something, no strings attached" while the females seem nervous and quickly fall in love and have these dreamy eyes like imagining a wedding and kids, LOL

from my experience, of course, you don't have to agree

[Edited 9/18/15 4:29am]


I agree with you about men, but not about women.

Women at work can be just as horny and lustful as men. If the guy is handsome, women will stare at his ass and they'll gossip about his package - and I'm not talking UPS or Fedex. lol

"Never let nasty stalkers disrespect you. They start shit, you finish it. Go down to their level, that's the only way they'll understand. You have to handle things yourself."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #20 posted 09/23/15 2:14am

Chancellor

avatar

JustErin said:

Do you think the dynamic between female bosses and male subordinate and female bosses and female subordinate is different?

This is how I see it...If youre my Female-Boss and I see that you're fair, professional and a Hard-worker then I'm gonna respect you as a Leader..It does not matter that you're Female....I'd like to believe that most people look at it the same way, but we both know it's based on the individual and their level of common sense....A SORRY manager is a sorry Manager regardless of Gender....I will say this, because of what I've experienced in the past I'd prefer having a Male Manager over a Female Manager because I feel like I'm walking on egg-shells when a Female Manager allows her personal issues to linger on the job all day long.....@ the end of the day Employees wanna see fairness, respect and a hands-on team-player....

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #21 posted 09/23/15 4:57am

JustErin

avatar

Chancellor said:

JustErin said:

Do you think the dynamic between female bosses and male subordinate and female bosses and female subordinate is different?

This is how I see it...If youre my Female-Boss and I see that you're fair, professional and a Hard-worker then I'm gonna respect you as a Leader..It does not matter that you're Female....I'd like to believe that most people look at it the same way, but we both know it's based on the individual and their level of common sense....A SORRY manager is a sorry Manager regardless of Gender....I will say this, because of what I've experienced in the past I'd prefer having a Male Manager over a Female Manager because I feel like I'm walking on egg-shells when a Female Manager allows her personal issues to linger on the job all day long.....@ the end of the day Employees wanna see fairness, respect and a hands-on team-player....


So, short answer would be "yes". lol

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #22 posted 09/23/15 6:00am

Horsefeathers

avatar

Female business owner here. My observation is that women leaders are often penalized for exhibiting leadership traits that are respected in men. I get comments about what amounts to lack of flowery language in my communication. No one can say I'm verbally abusive, loud, or even overly emotional. I just speak clearly and concisely using plain language with no emotion or value judgments attached. You know, leadership as shown by men. Except women are supposed to be more "sweet," but not emotional.

"Please remember to put things away when not in use (for reasons which have been previously explained such as not having to search for things and avoiding clutter)." Interpreted as too harsh, could be said nicer. Screw that. Haters gonna hate. I would consider input if there was a perception that I was verbally abusive or volatile. Not so much because delicate psyches prefer more syrupy sweetness from women bosses.
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #23 posted 09/24/15 12:29am

Chancellor

avatar

JustErin said:


So, short answer would be "yes". lol

...LOL....

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > General Discussion > Why does the most common form of workplace discrimination get largely ignored?