http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/business/gmo-apples-are-approved-for-growing-in-us.html?_r=0

no thanks!

i do not care for apples but I am totally fine with this. the odd bit is how most fruits and vegetables are modified. I had some strawberries the size of plum the other day. That was not at all natural. It was sooooo good. Or watermelon or grapes without seeds? all GMOs.


But I get what you are saying. they are not for everyone. But I am glad they are doing this. It will help feed people.

there is also the fact that the big names that are anti-GMOs (such as food inc) have an agenda that is anti-reproductive freedoms. they always frame their arguments around population control as opposed to increasing food. They are also closely tied to the climate changes people.


Control control control WE know what is best for all!

[Edited 2/15/15 9:48am]

It’s important to understand the difference between traditional breeding and genetic modification. Just because a watermelon or grape is seedless does not make it a genetically engineered product. Traditional breeding typically occurs within the natural boundaries of nature. For example, tomatoes may cross-pollinate with other tomatoes, but not with rice, or with flounder. Pigs will mate with other pigs, but not with cows. Genetic engineering crosses genes between unrelated species that would never naturally cross-breed in nature. Natural reproduction or breeding can only occur between closely related forms of life. This is a very important distinction. Careful breeding of plants to yield desired results, such as small seeds or bigger fruits, has been done since the dawn of agriculture. Seedless oranges and seedless grapes, for example, are the result of cultivating naturally occurring seedless plants. The navel orange is descended from a seedless orange tree found on a plantation in Brazil in the nineteenth century. This tree was a mutation, that is, something in its genetic material had spontaneously changed, resulting in this unique plant. Orange growers propagated new trees from the original navel, so that all the navel oranges available in markets today are descended from that Brazilian tree. This is how plant breeding works. Genetic Modification, on the other hand, involves taking genes from one species and inserting them into another. For example, genes from an arctic flounder (which obviously are resistant to cold temperatures) may be spliced into a tomato to prevent frost damage, allowing yields later into the season. Breeding and genetic modification are not the same.

i think everyone understands the difference. But some want to make up some magic risk. And some are so worried that they want to BAN the practice. Why not let people choose?


Now as much of any given organism's DNA is the same as any others to take a gene from fish and putting it into a grape is faster than the old way but if the results are the same just faster why get all twisted over it?


It really comes off as making up reasons to be scared.

do you agree with the likes of FOOD INC that these should be all be banned? or are you just wanting disclosure? I for on do not think labels are necessary.

Most people don't understand. Most people don't care. I like to know what I'm putting in my body. Label it...don't label it...whatever. I'm at the point where I have to tune out the noise. And since no one can get on the same page about potential benefits and potential health risks, I opt out and buy organic when I can. It's what I prefer and am comfortable with.

Organic is a cool option. But if the likes of FOOD INC get their way the cost of organic foods would sky rocket. As it is not the prices are not too much more than the ones pumped full of chemicals and hormones and antibiotics... but if those foods were taken off the market the demand and lack of competition would cause the so called organic cost to skyrocket. So for anyone that wants to consume the organic foods it is really in their best interests for the GMOs and the chemical contaminated foods to be on the market.

Also if they really are unhealthy as some assume then it would give health benefits to the organic eaters too!

So these fake products is a win win for those that want natural foods.

We waste so much food in this country it's obscene. The produce manager at one of the large supermarket chains in my area told me I'm the only person he sees buying organics. Most of the organics they get in are thrown in the dumpster. I buy organic produce at a wholesale warehouse. It's a fraction of the ridiculous prices supermarkets charge. Last week I bought a case of organic oranges (72 oranges) for $20 and a case of organic apples (36 pounds) for $5. I'm not going broke buying organic. If anything, I'm going broke eating out and buying convenience foods.

TeeeeHaaaaHoooo said:

It’s important to understand the difference between traditional breeding and genetic modification. Just because a watermelon or grape is seedless does not make it a genetically engineered product. Traditional breeding typically occurs within the natural boundaries of nature. For example, tomatoes may cross-pollinate with other tomatoes, but not with rice, or with flounder. Pigs will mate with other pigs, but not with cows. Genetic engineering crosses genes between unrelated species that would never naturally cross-breed in nature. Natural reproduction or breeding can only occur between closely related forms of life. This is a very important distinction. Careful breeding of plants to yield desired results, such as small seeds or bigger fruits, has been done since the dawn of agriculture. Seedless oranges and seedless grapes, for example, are the result of cultivating naturally occurring seedless plants. The navel orange is descended from a seedless orange tree found on a plantation in Brazil in the nineteenth century. This tree was a mutation, that is, something in its genetic material had spontaneously changed, resulting in this unique plant. Orange growers propagated new trees from the original navel, so that all the navel oranges available in markets today are descended from that Brazilian tree. This is how plant breeding works. Genetic Modification, on the other hand, involves taking genes from one species and inserting them into another. For example, genes from an arctic flounder (which obviously are resistant to cold temperatures) may be spliced into a tomato to prevent frost damage, allowing yields later into the season. Breeding and genetic modification are not the same.

TeeeeHaaaaHoooo said:

It’s important to understand the difference between traditional breeding and genetic modification. Just because a watermelon or grape is seedless does not make it a genetically engineered product. Traditional breeding typically occurs within the natural boundaries of nature. For example, tomatoes may cross-pollinate with other tomatoes, but not with rice, or with flounder. Pigs will mate with other pigs, but not with cows. Genetic engineering crosses genes between unrelated species that would never naturally cross-breed in nature. Natural reproduction or breeding can only occur between closely related forms of life. This is a very important distinction. Careful breeding of plants to yield desired results, such as small seeds or bigger fruits, has been done since the dawn of agriculture. Seedless oranges and seedless grapes, for example, are the result of cultivating naturally occurring seedless plants. The navel orange is descended from a seedless orange tree found on a plantation in Brazil in the nineteenth century. This tree was a mutation, that is, something in its genetic material had spontaneously changed, resulting in this unique plant. Orange growers propagated new trees from the original navel, so that all the navel oranges available in markets today are descended from that Brazilian tree. This is how plant breeding works. Genetic Modification, on the other hand, involves taking genes from one species and inserting them into another. For example, genes from an arctic flounder (which obviously are resistant to cold temperatures) may be spliced into a tomato to prevent frost damage, allowing yields later into the season. Breeding and genetic modification are not the same.

Actually, it involves three different types of plant species.

Organic - The fruit/vegetable/grain is truly organic and has been cultivated via natural methods and most often grown in its native habitat during its normal growing season.

Systemicaly cultivated - This is how most of our food is grown. Usually, the fruit/vegetable/grain is larger, more abundant, amd more pest resistant thanks to decades and even centuries of selective breeding, grafting, and uses of manmade fertilizer and/or pesticides. People wrongly refer to these plants as genetically modified but are actually not.

Genetically modified orgamisms (GMO) - These are the true "frankenfoods." These are fruits/vegetables/grains which have been genetically modified with fish DNA or modified in a lab to be pest resistant and use Monsanto-type products to grow bigger, taller, or faster. Yet because these plants were genetically modified to kill weeds and grubs in the ground, there are those who claim they are also killing off other insects such as butterflies and bees would would otherwise pollinate the plants.

728huey said:

TeeeeHaaaaHoooo said:

It’s important to understand the difference between traditional breeding and genetic modification. Just because a watermelon or grape is seedless does not make it a genetically engineered product. Traditional breeding typically occurs within the natural boundaries of nature. For example, tomatoes may cross-pollinate with other tomatoes, but not with rice, or with flounder. Pigs will mate with other pigs, but not with cows. Genetic engineering crosses genes between unrelated species that would never naturally cross-breed in nature. Natural reproduction or breeding can only occur between closely related forms of life. This is a very important distinction. Careful breeding of plants to yield desired results, such as small seeds or bigger fruits, has been done since the dawn of agriculture. Seedless oranges and seedless grapes, for example, are the result of cultivating naturally occurring seedless plants. The navel orange is descended from a seedless orange tree found on a plantation in Brazil in the nineteenth century. This tree was a mutation, that is, something in its genetic material had spontaneously changed, resulting in this unique plant. Orange growers propagated new trees from the original navel, so that all the navel oranges available in markets today are descended from that Brazilian tree. This is how plant breeding works. Genetic Modification, on the other hand, involves taking genes from one species and inserting them into another. For example, genes from an arctic flounder (which obviously are resistant to cold temperatures) may be spliced into a tomato to prevent frost damage, allowing yields later into the season. Breeding and genetic modification are not the same.

Actually, it involves three different types of plant species.

Organic - The fruit/vegetable/grain is truly organic and has been cultivated via natural methods and most often grown in its native habitat during its normal growing season.

Systemicaly cultivated - This is how most of our food is grown. Usually, the fruit/vegetable/grain is larger, more abundant, amd more pest resistant thanks to decades and even centuries of selective breeding, grafting, and uses of manmade fertilizer and/or pesticides. People wrongly refer to these plants as genetically modified but are actually not.

Genetically modified orgamisms (GMO) - These are the true "frankenfoods." These are fruits/vegetables/grains which have been genetically modified with fish DNA or modified in a lab to be pest resistant and use Monsanto-type products to grow bigger, taller, or faster. Yet because these plants were genetically modified to kill weeds and grubs in the ground, there are those who claim they are also killing off other insects such as butterflies and bees would would otherwise pollinate the plants.

I still don't understand the mindset of people who say; "Well corn and bananas are modified from their original forms" as a means of accepting Jellyfish DNA injected into soybeans (I just made that up b/c I'm too lazy to google a real example).

GMO's are NOT the same as crops that have been "domesticated" through thousands of years of human cultivation. No way, no how.