i never said you were all the same. I was talking about the specific group who are extreme. Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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I have been vegan for 5 years.
I've probably been / can be at times one of the people you speak of.
Yeah. I think eating meat is a shameful thing to do. I try not to make personal attacks, but broadly speaking, yes that is how I feel.
We don't have the right to enslave and kill other sentient beings, who have just as much of a right to live as we do. Worse, it's culturally arbitrary - for example. in the Western world, most people would be horrified if you ate and killed your dog or cat. Yet, it's OK to do the same thing to a pig or cow? Why?
There's also the issues of global hunger. If the same land used to rear animals for human consumption was used to grow vegetables, there would be no world hunger.
By eating meat, you perpetuate both the suffering of animals and the suffering of humans that colonialism, capitalism and enslavement have pushed to the bottom of the heap.
And if that means nothing to you? Well, you're killing yourself. A serious chunk of sickness and disease comes directly from the demand for meat and the lengths we've gone to to farm animals at lower and lower costs. That fast food meat you're eating is giving you heart disease, cancer, strokes, and literally hundreds of other problems. Watch the documentary "Forks Over Knives" for the truth here.
Gunsnhalen, you seem like a cool guy. And, you know, I'm not going off on you, and I doubt I'm saying much you haven't heard before. But, you know, when you say "I'm a body-builder, I'm in good shape", etc..... it's kind of missing the point. Veganism isn't about you. It's about others.
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I have been vegetarian for 25 years. I dabble in vegan for periods as well and raw foods if I can help it. All organic, no monsanto, gmos pesticides and avoid processed foods if I can. Avoid sugar and booze too.
I try not to give meatheads shit. My experience is that meatheads give me shit. I won't say a goddamn thing about food and they just can't handle it. Me sitting there not eating their poisonous murder cancer crap seems to be too much for their puny little dumb brains to handle. It gets old.
I guess meat eaters too get shit from some more aggressive activists. Good! You deserve it!
One thing that bugs the shit out of me is when meatheads get all sad when their dog is sick or dies. It is as tho their brain does not work or something. And then they want compassion because they are sad about their pet, even tho they sit there and eat animals every day.
I also get pissed when Christians eat animals. Uh oh, not going to heaven, hate to break it to you but "thou shall not kill" actually means what it says. It's just rediculous that they act all holy and righteous and then act in the most gluttonous self absorbed manner.
It is hard to believe that people lived to be 800, but I do. Consuming animal flesh kills our immortal human cells. Causes cancer too. It's hard to watch people you love get sick because they are too stubborn to break away from the societal programming.
Oh well. Such is life. We have the tools and skills for a civilized society, yet we constantly murder each other and everything good on the planet. People are stupid.
Ps. You don't need dead animals to build muscle or get your protien. Just look at gorillas. They eat bananas. Elephants / nuts etc ...
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Yep, you're one of the crazy ones. You honestly sound as judgemental as someone in a religion. Lots of people are raised as meat eaters. Do you hate people that are raisen christian? or raised by a black family? you almost sound as judgemental and crazy. Saying ''we all'' deserve the hate we get. FUCK THAT [Edited 12/22/13 20:02pm] [Edited 12/22/13 20:05pm] Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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I eat meat. I eat meat everyday. I don't give a flying fuck about what other people have to say about it.
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Isn't Prince a Vegan? Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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I'm (obviously) with u on all this but I'll just be picky about the 800 years old thing, because a large number of the Indian population has been vegetarian (actually semi-vegan, because they won't eat eggs but they'll it dairy products) for millenias and their longevity or general health condition hasn't been proven better than ours or non-veg Indians. This being said I perfectly agree with the fact that vegetarians can be (and actually are) just as healthy as non-veg, no matter their lifestyle (sports, etc.). the idea that we need meat is a crazy myth. I'm not 100% sure about the validity of this article (I tend to be careful with what I read online) but it seems scientifically legit and it says that basically we're herbivores (which makes sense since early hominids were essentially herbivores): http://michaelbluejay.com...tural.html A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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He is. It'd be interesting to know whether this has had any influence or not upon each veg orger's decision to become veg For me it wasn't a capital element: I had wanted to be veg' since I was a little child and the big step was mostly due to having many veggies around me at some point, but P being someone whose lyrics and life had always been a source of inspiration, it sure gave me some additionnal food 4 thoughts A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Hahaha, I can almost see you doing that xD I absolutely agree about fish. I always hear a bunch of excuses from those that claim to be vegetarians but still eat fish.
Anyway, I think that interfering with someone's diet choices just like that is actually a bit rude. It's a personal choice that I respect. I don't mind discussing it at all (I even like it because I find the whole issue very interesting, and very important) but in a totally unpretentious way. And I certainly don't like anything being forced on me or anyone around me and trying to make anyone feel inferior. It's a huge turn-off for me, no matter which "side" it comes from. Yes to raising awareness, always, but in a non -intrusive way. [Edited 12/23/13 7:52am] | |
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I love my vegan brothers & sisters! By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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I became vegetarian mostly thanks to the influence of my cousin who broke me away from the societal dogmatic institutionalized mass murder of eating meat that most in the western world deal with growing up.
After about 3 or 4 years of being vegetarian, I came to the realisation that I couldn't reconcile eating dairy / eggs / animal by-products with the reasons why I was vegetarian, because it's still systematic enslavement of animals.
There's just as much cruelty, suffering and slavery in the world of producing dairy products and eggs. It's one and the same. Cows live through years of being tied to this disgusting milking machines, and when the metal causes them infection and they get sick, or when their milk production slows down thus making them less cost effective for the farmers (slave owners), they get killed.
I knew that Prince was/is a vegan, and some people probably thought it was him that turned me on to it, but that's not the case.
This is EXACTLY what I believe, and I do that too Eating meat is the uncivilized behaviour of cavemen. See Dave, this is why you and I are friends
Health wise, being vegan is the best decision I've ever made. I have a perfect BMI without having to go to the gym And I eat as much as I want, and I don't ever put on weight. Because I eat the right things. Animals and animal products destroy the human body with large amounts of cholesterol and fat. Green leafy vegetables are a far more effective source of protein.
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aw come on .. you start a thread about how horrible vegetarians are to you .. i responded about how horrible meat eaters are to vegetarians .. look .. you brought it up .. not a vegetarian .. what does being raised christian or by black people have to do with anything .. people are raised and influenced by the meat industry and the medical industry that wants you dead and eating this shit that will kill you .. and yes .. you deserve a little shame .. clearly you are proud of your murderous indulgences .. too bad if someone cracks your shell of ignorance once in a while just enough to let a little shame into your conciousness about your spoiled selfish eating habits .. deal with it .. if you are proud of your choices why come on here and start a thread about it. once again .. its the meat eaters who go out of their way to bitch about the vegetarians, as you have done on this thread .. you have proved the opposite of your point .. prince was vegan .. jesus was vegan .. god is vegan .. people are designe to be vegan .. sometimes watching people murder innocent life is hard to watch and people speak up .. so what is your excuse .. you are upset because people point out what you are doing .. some people protest war and drones and all that other nonsense that murders people .. are you one of those nuts that justifies that shit too .. people speak out when things are wrong .. people with brains that still work know right from wrong .. they know the industry is disgusting .. we even appeal to your own sense of self preservation .. even jesus appealed to the kings sense of self preservation when he instructed the king to put his men on a 10 day vegan diet, which resutled in all of them feeling better, less sluggish etc .. is jesus now a crazy nut too? .. you raised the topic and like a typical meathead you expect the vegans to just shut up and let you bask in your own ignorance .. whatever | |
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Well, that was nice. Someone this negative must have a lot of issues in life. Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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So, basically what i get is. It's ok for vegans or vegatarians to be an asshole to others cause it's helping them ''learn their ignorant ways'' Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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calling murder .. murder .. is not being an asshole
i am sure if someone ate your pet cat in front of you .. you would find it offensive and say something
if someone is racist do you say something? or do you just allow them to carry on?
sexist?
homophobic?
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maybe .. maybe .. if you hunt and skin your own animal .. show thanks and appreciation for the life you stole .. maybe if you were hungry and it was your only option .. maybe I could barely understand ..
but you assholes who are like .. i love meat it tastes great i don't give a flying fuck whooo hoo .. ur just pigs .. no that is too kind .. even pigs dont eat other animals .. that's right .. the pig is more civilized .. hell try hunting an animal that can fight back
but no .. it is plain abuse and gluttony .. selfish and ignorant .. nothing more to it
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I'm going to go against my better judgement and reply to this...even though it sounds like trolling...I'll assume there's some authenticity behind it... By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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Given a choice, wild pigs usually flee rather than fight. However, U.S. newspapers report from 5 to 7 human fatalities each year. 99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment | |
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