I have never been vaccinated for the flu and I do not intend to. The flu is painful and time consuming

but I prefer to simply go through the process than have the vaccine put in my body. I have been this

way since my mother began letting me make my own decisions. If it wont permanently decrease my

standard of living or will definitely lead to my death (like the cancer I delt with), I simply

do not have anything to do with the drugs being offered.

When I come out of surgery, I don't take the pain killers.

When I'm on my period, I don't take anything even though I have medical prescriptions because of

how bad things can get.

I denied various cancer treatments, I would have literally preferred to die than take what was being

offered.

It is my choice. I deal with the consequences.

If I had children, it would be a different story and my kids would get vaccinated.

Genesia said:

excited said:

i had a flu jab one year & still managed to go down with the lergy, so i've not bothered since. after saying that everyone i work with is dropping with the flu this year, staffing is dire. i know that i'm brewing, i feel all heavy on my chest & popping out in zits. i hate the flu!

Pimples are not a flu symptom.

but it's a sign that my immune system is shot! it's only a matter of time

Nothinbutjoy said:

I have to get the flu vaccine because of my job.

It is debateable as to how effective they are. Each year breeds a new strain of influenza virus. That new strain is not in the vaccine, so one can still get sick.

The #1 means of cold and flu prevention is HANDWASHING.

Use a tissue and hand sanitizer when you cough or sneeze.

If you get sick, stay home until you are fever free for at least 1 day.

This is what I've always been told by friends that are in healthcare as well.

RodeoSchro said:

People that say "I've never had the flu so I'm not going to get a flu shot" sound like people that would also say "I've never had an automobile accident so I'm never going to wear my seatbelt".

The thing is, today's flu isn't like the flu of our childhood. The flu gets worse and worse every year. Now, it can kill you. It DOES kill children (are you listening?). Dozens of kids have died from it in the last month. I'm sure most of those kids were "healthy" kids before they got the flu that killed them.

And as others have said, if it doesn't kill you it will knock you on your can for weeks or more.

It's mind-boggling to me that anyone would risk that when the vaccine is plentiful and cheap or even free.

Oh well.

Co-sign

Dalia11 said:

Who Should Not Be Vaccinated?

There are some people who should not get a flu vaccine without first consulting a physician. These include:

• People who have a severe allergy to chicken eggs.

• People who have had a severe reaction to an influenza vaccination.

• Children younger than 6 months of age (influenza vaccine is not approved for this age group), and

• People who have a moderate-to-severe illness with a fever (they should wait until they recover to get vaccinated.)

• People with a history of Guillain–Barré Syndrome (a severe paralytic illness, also called GBS) that occurred after receiving influenza vaccine and who are not at risk for severe illness from influenza should generally not receive vaccine. Tell your doctor if you ever had Guillain-Barré Syndrome. Your doctor will help you decide whether the vaccine is recommended for you.

I had a severe reaction as a child and still have scars from it.

That hasn't stopped me from getting a flu shot.

As others have pointed out, even if I have a strong enough immune system to fight it off (doubtful) there are other people who could catch it from me that might not be able to fight it off.

If they get sick and die, wishing they'd simply had a stronger immune system doesn't quite cut it.

IF you got it from a coworker and your child became sick . . . . .

Genesia said:

morningsong said:

Never had the flu, have never had a flu shot. They offered them free at my job, and now it seems that a few of the people who actually got the shot, got the flu. In fact just from casual observation, over the years that always seems to be the case after working in a few different locations. Plus I tend to have adverse affects from time to time from various meds and vaccines, so since it seems like a crap shoot anyway, why get a shot for something I don't seem to be prone to get at this point in my life, just because I'm told to.

You can't get the flu from the flu vaccine - except in rare cases with the nasal mist kind, which is made from a live virus. Flu shots do not use a live virus - so cannot cause the flu.

People who get the flu shortly after getting the vaccine were either exposed to the flu before they got the shot or in the time it takes for immunity to develop after you get the shot.

Thank you.

Dalia11 said:

I posted "why" people should and "who" should not. The info is interesting. I like to inform, what can I say.

It's appreciated, at least by me.

morningsong said:

Genesia said:

You can't get the flu from the flu vaccine - except in rare cases with the nasal mist kind, which is made from a live virus. Flu shots do not use a live virus - so cannot cause the flu.

People who get the flu shortly after getting the vaccine were either exposed to the flu before they got the shot or in the time it takes for immunity to develop after you get the shot.

I never said or even thought that people get the flu from the shot, I meant they get it inspite of the shot. And it's not right after getting the flu shot they exhibit some minor symptoms, there just always seems to be a few that get the shot and still get the flu during flu season. I've still never have gotten the flu and over the past decade my colds have been few and haven't been that servere either so I'll wait and depend more on taking better care of myself.

I wonder if it's like what has happened with antibiotics, now that so many people seem to overdose on the stuff, bacteria evolved stronger, so the cycle continues.

No it's not. Viruses don't last that long, that's why you need a flu shot annually. The virus changes, so last year's flu shot may not be at all effective on the strain going around this year.

If there were antibiotics available, you would take them when you got the flu, not before. There are no 'antibiotics' for any virus.

XxAxX said:

i had a flu shot which resulted in the very worst illness i have ever had. temp of 104 for four days straight and high temps for over a week. this was directly connected to the flu shot.

the safety and effectiveness of vaccinations is hotly debated. in ordert to provide a vaccination 'against' the flu, we are deliberately infected with a strain of the flu which has been 'neutralized'.

not everyone agrees that this is a safe and effective way of battling the flu. i agree with the skeptics after my experience.

That's anecdotal evidence. You could have had the virus before getting the shot or before your immune system recognized it.

How can dead virus replicate to make you ill? The virus has been killed. That neutralizes it.

It primes you immune system to recognize it immediately and destroy, rather than treating it as benign until you are sick.

LadyCasanova said:

I have never been vaccinated for the flu and I do not intend to. The flu is painful and time consuming

but I prefer to simply go through the process than have the vaccine put in my body. I have been this

way since my mother began letting me make my own decisions. If it wont permanently decrease my

standard of living or will definitely lead to my death (like the cancer I delt with), I simply

do not have anything to do with the drugs being offered.

When I come out of surgery, I don't take the pain killers.

When I'm on my period, I don't take anything even though I have medical prescriptions because of

how bad things can get.

I denied various cancer treatments, I would have literally preferred to die than take what was being

offered.

It is my choice. I deal with the consequences.

If I had children, it would be a different story and my kids would get vaccinated.

Well seeing that you don't interact with other people in any social interactions, they don't have to worry about you making them sick.

Not that spreading viruses to other people is YOUR problem. . .

excited said:

Genesia said:

Pimples are not a flu symptom.

but it's a sign that my immune system is shot! it's only a matter of time

???? No, it's not a sign that your immune system is shot. It's a sign that it's functioning.

How else is all that pus generated?

Never got one.....never will.

SUPRMAN said:

excited said:

but it's a sign that my immune system is shot! it's only a matter of time

???? No, it's not a sign that your immune system is shot. It's a sign that it's functioning.

How else is all that pus generated?

Awesome! Now I don't have to fix dinner - my appetite has been killed for the rest of the day.

SUPRMAN said:

LadyCasanova said:

I have never been vaccinated for the flu and I do not intend to. The flu is painful and time consuming

but I prefer to simply go through the process than have the vaccine put in my body. I have been this

way since my mother began letting me make my own decisions. If it wont permanently decrease my

standard of living or will definitely lead to my death (like the cancer I delt with), I simply

do not have anything to do with the drugs being offered.

When I come out of surgery, I don't take the pain killers.

When I'm on my period, I don't take anything even though I have medical prescriptions because of

how bad things can get.

I denied various cancer treatments, I would have literally preferred to die than take what was being

offered.

It is my choice. I deal with the consequences.

If I had children, it would be a different story and my kids would get vaccinated.

Well seeing that you don't interact with other people in any social interactions, they don't have to worry about you making them sick.

Not that spreading viruses to other people is YOUR problem. . .

Studies show that the flu can, but does not often, become contagious 1 day before symptoms

develop. More often than not, you feel the flu the same day you become contagious. Unlike some,

I use my sick days for when I am actually sick, and I keep my happy ass in the house until I get

better.

Also, getting the shot does not guarantee that you do not spread the virus so why don't YOU worry

about who YOU have still been infecting.

SUPRMAN said:

morningsong said:

I never said or even thought that people get the flu from the shot, I meant they get it inspite of the shot. And it's not right after getting the flu shot they exhibit some minor symptoms, there just always seems to be a few that get the shot and still get the flu during flu season. I've still never have gotten the flu and over the past decade my colds have been few and haven't been that servere either so I'll wait and depend more on taking better care of myself.

I wonder if it's like what has happened with antibiotics, now that so many people seem to overdose on the stuff, bacteria evolved stronger, so the cycle continues.

No it's not. Viruses don't last that long, that's why you need a flu shot annually. The virus changes, so last year's flu shot may not be at all effective on the strain going around this year.

If there were antibiotics available, you would take them when you got the flu, not before. There are no 'antibiotics' for any virus.

Yeah, I know antibiotics are for bacteria and flus/colds are started by viruses and all that stuff. But I think some viruses must evolve like everything else, like the ones that use to affect animals only, evolved to where they can affect humans, in fact I think they evolve more rapidly than bacteria, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I feel I haven't needed one so why get one, for those that are prone to the attacks of viruses then maybe they need to get one.

Where you been anyway?

excited said:

Genesia said:

Pimples are not a flu symptom.

but it's a sign that my immune system is shot! it's only a matter of time

Maybe it's a sign your body is putting up a good fight, as opposed to being shot and might need some extra conscious help from its owner, like more rest, more water, eating well balanced meals, a little pampering and such. I realized that the during the holidays, I wasn't feeling like myself, people around me were sick as dogs, and I was tempted to believe I was getting sick too, but then I realized it was my body fighting hard to keep from getting sick, and I made the necessary adjustments instead of giving in, I started feeling better immediately, never got sick.

Because I've never had one, and I haven't had the flu in 20 years (at least). I understand the seriousness of some of the strains in circulation, I still choose to not participate in the forced exposure to said viruses. They can't cover all of them with any given vaccine, anyway.

Just got back from getting mine. I know the pros and cons but I have a compromised immune system and can't chance it. I never used to get them but when I got diabetes in 2009, I started getting them and will continue from now on.

SUPRMAN said:

XxAxX said:

i had a flu shot which resulted in the very worst illness i have ever had. temp of 104 for four days straight and high temps for over a week. this was directly connected to the flu shot.

the safety and effectiveness of vaccinations is hotly debated. in ordert to provide a vaccination 'against' the flu, we are deliberately infected with a strain of the flu which has been 'neutralized'.

not everyone agrees that this is a safe and effective way of battling the flu. i agree with the skeptics after my experience.

That's anecdotal evidence. You could have had the virus before getting the shot or before your immune system recognized it.

How can dead virus replicate to make you ill? The virus has been killed. That neutralizes it.

It primes you immune system to recognize it immediately and destroy, rather than treating it as benign until you are sick.

Here's why I don't get flu shots.

Besides, if you get a serious cold or flu, tehre's a better way to treat it.

Genesia said:

XxAxX said:

i had a flu shot which resulted in the very worst illness i have ever had. temp of 104 for four days straight and high temps for over a week. this was directly connected to the flu shot.

the safety and effectiveness of vaccinations is hotly debated. in ordert to provide a vaccination 'against' the flu, we are deliberately infected with a strain of the flu which has been 'neutralized'.

not everyone agrees that this is a safe and effective way of battling the flu. i agree with the skeptics after my experience.

Correlation is not causation.

ah but in this case it was. you had to have been there i guess.

moreover, the process whereby the vaccine is created, by combining known variations of the flu strains with each other, could give rise to more rapid mutations in the flu strains themselves, ultimately resulting in the assisted evolution of a truly killer strain.

so i am of the opinion now that from now on i'll just keep my own immune system and general overall health in tip top shape, while observing preventative hygiene measures (i.e., never lick you bare hand after opening the subway door, and etc.) so as to survive the next epidemic that way instead of relying on a flu shot

Because I avoid kids (germ carriers deluxe) and the elderly. I wear my gloves on the subway and try not to touch any surfaces between my apartment and my office. I stay away from people who are coughing/hacking/sneezing on the bus/subway. I wash my hands frequently. And my boyfriend gets a flu shot so I figure my chances of getting the flu from him are slim.

LadyCasanova said:

I have never been vaccinated for the flu and I do not intend to. The flu is painful and time consuming

but I prefer to simply go through the process than have the vaccine put in my body. I have been this

way since my mother began letting me make my own decisions. If it wont permanently decrease my

standard of living or will definitely lead to my death (like the cancer I delt with), I simply

do not have anything to do with the drugs being offered.

When I come out of surgery, I don't take the pain killers.

When I'm on my period, I don't take anything even though I have medical prescriptions because of

how bad things can get.

I denied various cancer treatments, I would have literally preferred to die than take what was being

offered.

It is my choice. I deal with the consequences.

If I had children, it would be a different story and my kids would get vaccinated.

I am a healthy guy and have only had the flu like twice in my LIFE (I'm 42).

I also loathe taking medication. I suffer from bad sinus congestion twice a year (Spring & Fall) and I allow myself to take alot of Tylenol Sinus in order to function at work. Otherwise I drink tea, slap on slome Vicks vaporub, and rest.

The human body is designed to deal with illness. Just like we're designed to function in a state of hunger. Every now & then it's good to get sick and good to go hungry.

When I'm older and frail, I'll get the vaccine. But for now, I will accept that if I happen to catch the flu, I'll use some of those sick days that I end up LOSING at the end of the year (since I rarely ever call in sick).

I suffer from severe trypanophobia

I got my flu shot today at CVS Pharmacy for $31.99, my arm is sore. My mother kept bugging me about it so, to shut her up I got the shot. My arm is sore.

Hey SUP.

TD3 said:

I got my flu shot today at CVS Pharmacy for $31.99, my arm is sore. My mother kept bugging me about it so, to shut her up I got the shot. My arm is sore.

Hey SUP.

Wuss.

LadyCasanova said:

SUPRMAN said:

Well seeing that you don't interact with other people in any social interactions, they don't have to worry about you making them sick.

Not that spreading viruses to other people is YOUR problem. . .

Studies show that the flu can, but does not often, become contagious 1 day before symptoms

develop. More often than not, you feel the flu the same day you become contagious. Unlike some,

I use my sick days for when I am actually sick, and I keep my happy ass in the house until I get

better.

Also, getting the shot does not guarantee that you do not spread the virus so why don't YOU worry

about who YOU have still been infecting.

No it doesn't but it does help which is more than you are willing to do for society.

morningsong said:

SUPRMAN said:

No it's not. Viruses don't last that long, that's why you need a flu shot annually. The virus changes, so last year's flu shot may not be at all effective on the strain going around this year.

If there were antibiotics available, you would take them when you got the flu, not before. There are no 'antibiotics' for any virus.

Yeah, I know antibiotics are for bacteria and flus/colds are started by viruses and all that stuff. But I think some viruses must evolve like everything else, like the ones that use to affect animals only, evolved to where they can affect humans, in fact I think they evolve more rapidly than bacteria, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I feel I haven't needed one so why get one, for those that are prone to the attacks of viruses then maybe they need to get one.

Where you been anyway?

We all have the same propensity to be exposed to viruses. You contract them daily. Most, your body deals with and you are none the wiser. When the body has to kick into high gear to fight a multiplying virus that's when you feel as the body diverts resources to fight the infection.

The more people have the shot, the fewer number of people will get sick as the virus never gets a foothold in the population.

Been on other sites and keeping busy with other things. Wanted a break, so here I am.

TD3 said:

I got my flu shot today at CVS Pharmacy for $31.99, my arm is sore. My mother kept bugging me about it so, to shut her up I got the shot. My arm is sore.

Hey SUP.

Hello, hello.

Stymie said:

TD3 said:

I got my flu shot today at CVS Pharmacy for $31.99, my arm is sore. My mother kept bugging me about it so, to shut her up I got the shot. My arm is sore.

Hey SUP.

Wuss.

i don't care...

SUPRMAN said:

LadyCasanova said:

Studies show that the flu can, but does not often, become contagious 1 day before symptoms

develop. More often than not, you feel the flu the same day you become contagious. Unlike some,

I use my sick days for when I am actually sick, and I keep my happy ass in the house until I get

better.

Also, getting the shot does not guarantee that you do not spread the virus so why don't YOU worry

about who YOU have still been infecting.

No it doesn't but it does help which is more than you are willing to do for society.

FOR SOCIETY AND BEYOND!!!!!!