when a human being physically attacks another human being, he/she must understand/accept that the attacked human being will probably retaliate;

that said, the attacked human being should always retaliate taking into account the level of the agression of the attacker...and his/her age/gender...

if a kid gave me a kick in the balls, I wouldn't punch him in the face dammit

if a girl slapped me, I wouldn't punch her in the head, dammit

[Edited 10/23/12 8:02am]

Punch a kid in the face? No.

Punch a girl in the head for spitting on me? After telling me she'd beat up my daughter and grandmother? Absolutely.

illimack said:

If u should have the audacity to launch your bodily fluids upon me, that ass is getting whooped.

Than U

That is all!

Especially if you slap or punch me, I don't play that, regardless of the gender. Women are not weak. She was not the victim of this. Just as guilty, if not way more so than the dude who hit her back. Then all those punks like "she's a lady" and he's like "so?"

PurpleJedi said:

There definitely is a double standard.

It's 2012 and supposedly we're striving for "gender equality"...at home, at school, in the workplace, etc.

Then, some women feel like they can step up in anger to a man like an equal, but not deal with the consequences. When the retribution is REAL (like in the video) then all of a sudden we're back to 1950's gender roles and a man "shouldn't hit a woman".

Or - (somewhat related?) what about women who get off on provoking fights between their boyfriend/spouse and other dudes??? Women who will go to a club with their man and then flirt/tease a stranger so that the two of them get into a fight? How is THAT not stone-age mentality???

Women want equal rights so therefore she should be able (and expect) to take it like a man when it comes to violence as a consequence of "stepping up in anger".

Fucked up.

Wanna talk about stone-age mentality? It's thinking you have the right to lay a (non-defensive) hand on ANYONE regardless of the situation.

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

There definitely is a double standard.

It's 2012 and supposedly we're striving for "gender equality"...at home, at school, in the workplace, etc.

Then, some women feel like they can step up in anger to a man like an equal, but not deal with the consequences. When the retribution is REAL (like in the video) then all of a sudden we're back to 1950's gender roles and a man "shouldn't hit a woman".

Or - (somewhat related?) what about women who get off on provoking fights between their boyfriend/spouse and other dudes??? Women who will go to a club with their man and then flirt/tease a stranger so that the two of them get into a fight? How is THAT not stone-age mentality???

Women want equal rights so therefore she should be able (and expect) to take it like a man when it comes to violence as a consequence of "stepping up in anger".

Fucked up.

Wanna talk about stone-age mentality? It's thinking you have the right to lay a (non-defensive) hand on ANYONE regardless of the situation.

LOL, I just love that "it's 2012" excuse. But these women who act like they're the victims still think it's the 1960s when they could play that victim card all the time. It's not working anymore... least not to the degree that it was though there's still some knuckleheads (not any of y'all who thought it was wrong for him to hit her, y'all got your reasons) who think because she's a woman, she shouldn't be "treated badly" but if a woman treats someone like shit, how you expect the other party to feel?

Timmy84 said:

JustErin said:

Women want equal rights so therefore she should be able (and expect) to take it like a man when it comes to violence as a consequence of "stepping up in anger".

Fucked up.

Wanna talk about stone-age mentality? It's thinking you have the right to lay a (non-defensive) hand on ANYONE regardless of the situation.

LOL, I just love that "it's 2012" excuse. But these women who act like they're the victims still think it's the 1960s when they could play that victim card all the time. It's not working anymore... least not to the degree that it was though there's still some knuckleheads (not any of y'all who thought it was wrong for him to hit her, y'all got your reasons) who think because she's a woman, she shouldn't be "treated badly" but if a woman treats someone like shit, how you expect the other party to feel?

Anyone who gets clocked in the face regardless of gender has the right to play a victim card.

I'm not making excuses for shitty behaviour, all I am saying is there is no excuse for a violent reaction.

And I do not understand those that think there is.

JustErin said:

Timmy84 said:

LOL, I just love that "it's 2012" excuse. But these women who act like they're the victims still think it's the 1960s when they could play that victim card all the time. It's not working anymore... least not to the degree that it was though there's still some knuckleheads (not any of y'all who thought it was wrong for him to hit her, y'all got your reasons) who think because she's a woman, she shouldn't be "treated badly" but if a woman treats someone like shit, how you expect the other party to feel?

Anyone who gets clocked in the face regardless of gender has the right to play a victim card.

I'm not making excuses for shitty behaviour, all I am saying is there is no excuse for a violent reaction.

And I do not understand those that think there is.

It's easy to see in the video that she is far from a victim lol but yeah there's no excuse.

JoeTyler said:

when a human being physically attacks another human being, he/she must understand/accept that the attacked human being will probably retaliate;

that said, the attacked human being should always retaliate taking into account the level of the agression of the attacker...and his/her age/gender...

if a kid gave me a kick in the balls, I wouldn't punch him in the face dammit

if a girl slapped me, I wouldn't punch her in the head, dammit

She was a young woman, obviously tough enough that she got back up after that uppercut and went after him

He obviously is a grandfather (could be anywhere in this upper 50s into his 60s)

I was talking with someone about this, and he is probably from a generation that you didn't talk to older people in the manner she was, I know my parents are from that generation. I would never talk to someone elderly that way,

Plus she hit him and spit on him (Oh hell no) what if she had a weapon in her hand?

Timmy84 said:

JustErin said:

Anyone who gets clocked in the face regardless of gender has the right to play a victim card.

I'm not making excuses for shitty behaviour, all I am saying is there is no excuse for a violent reaction.

And I do not understand those that think there is.

It's easy to see in the video that she is far from a victim lol but yeah there's no excuse.

She is a victim of violence....period.

But she's also a complete fucking scumbag idiot for behaving like she did.

JustErin said:

Timmy84 said:

It's easy to see in the video that she is far from a victim lol but yeah there's no excuse.

She is a victim of violence....period.

But she's also a complete fucking scumbag idiot for behaving like she did.

Yup. I think we can all agree to that.

Unless your life is danger in people should try to keep their hands to themselves. She should never should've allowed the saliva in her mouth to land anywhere on that man, and she should've kept her hands to herself. He could've diffused the situation by stopping the bus and calling the needed authorities and not engaged the women in jaw jacking.

Of course the bullshit stance that somehow women have been screaming about equality, justifies violence in a non threatening scenario....is a punk explanation.

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[Edited 10/23/12 9:00am]

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

There definitely is a double standard.

It's 2012 and supposedly we're striving for "gender equality"...at home, at school, in the workplace, etc.

Then, some women feel like they can step up in anger to a man like an equal, but not deal with the consequences. When the retribution is REAL (like in the video) then all of a sudden we're back to 1950's gender roles and a man "shouldn't hit a woman".

Or - (somewhat related?) what about women who get off on provoking fights between their boyfriend/spouse and other dudes??? Women who will go to a club with their man and then flirt/tease a stranger so that the two of them get into a fight? How is THAT not stone-age mentality???

Women want equal rights so therefore she should be able (and expect) to take it like a man when it comes to violence as a consequence of "stepping up in anger".

Fucked up.

Wanna talk about stone-age mentality? It's thinking you have the right to lay a (non-defensive) hand on ANYONE regardless of the situation.

That's NOT what I'm talking about.

I have never picked a fight with anyone, male of female, nor do I feel that we have a "right" to.

HOWEVER, people will beat your ass for being an antogistic prick/bitch. It's the way it is. Is it wrong? Is it right? That's a separate debate. This thread isn't about violence in general. We can discuss that elsewhere. Or lack of respect, which is leading to all this fighting.

SO the undue violence notwithstanding...would you feel outraged at a man striking a woman but not a man? THAT is the question.

TD3 said:

Unless you life is danger people should try to keep their hands to themselves. She should never should've allowed the saliva in her mouth land anywhere or that man, and she should've keep her hands to herself. He could've diffused the situation and stop the bus and call the needed authorities and not engaged the women n jaw jacking.

Of course the bullshit stance that somehow women have been screaming about equality, justifies violence in a non threatening scenario....is a punk explanation.

Exactly.

It's vile to spit on someone and hell knows my head would explode in anger if it was done to me, but fuck man...control that shit or you're just as bad.

TD3 said:

Unless you life is danger people should try to keep their hands to themselves. She should never should've allowed the saliva in her mouth land anywhere or that man, and she should've keep her hands to herself. He could've diffused the situation and stop the bus and call the needed authorities and not engaged the women n jaw jacking.

Of course the bullshit stance that somehow women have been screaming about equality, justifies violence in a non threatening scenario....is a punk explanation.

Exactly!

I admit yeah he probably shouldn't have punched her but see this is where that "you mess with the wrong one" response usually comes from. Now they're charged with different offenses but the driver is likely to get more jail time than the woman, I think both should get probation and they both enter anger management classes. This definitely should've been avoided but this is what happens when you think you can play fire with fire, you'd get burned.

PurpleJedi said:

JustErin said:

Women want equal rights so therefore she should be able (and expect) to take it like a man when it comes to violence as a consequence of "stepping up in anger".

Fucked up.

Wanna talk about stone-age mentality? It's thinking you have the right to lay a (non-defensive) hand on ANYONE regardless of the situation.

That's NOT what I'm talking about.

I have never picked a fight with anyone, male of female, nor do I feel that we have a "right" to.

HOWEVER, people will beat your ass for being an antogistic prick/bitch. It's the way it is. Is it wrong? Is it right? That's a separate debate. This thread isn't about violence in general. We can discuss that elsewhere. Or lack of respect, which is leading to all this fighting.

SO the undue violence notwithstanding...would you feel outraged at a man striking a woman but not a man? THAT is the question.

But that IS what you're talking about. You brought it up.

And many of us have already said we feel outrage about ANYONE being attacked.

It is ridiculous to even bring up the issue of gender equality...because gender equality has nothing to do with violence....except maybe protection from it (e.g. being protected from rape and other basic human rights that women were not entitled to when men were).

TD3 said:

Unless you life is danger people should try to keep their hands to themselves. She should never should've allowed the saliva in her mouth land anywhere or that man, and she should've keep her hands to herself. He could've diffused the situation and stop the bus and call the needed authorities and not engaged the women n jaw jacking.

Of course the bullshit stance that somehow women have been screaming about equality, justifies violence in a non threatening scenario....is a punk explanation.

How can you say this older man's life wasn't in danger. If a person can make that first move, then they can do anything.

Was the bus stopped, was he trying to get her off?

In one of the burbs where I live a grandmother school bus attendant was videoed being harrassed by the kids on the bus, cursing at her, calling her names, even putting their hands on her, she's crying etc, when the video went viral people from all over started sending her money(some kind of fund) for what happened to her over the school year. She got over 100,000 I believe

this guys gets suspended, oops

I don't think the 'screaming about equality' is justifying what happened. I don't fully know who I feel about what he did outside of if she had a weapon, he could be dead or disabled...but at least he did the right thing in not retaliating.

That's the troubling thing about situations like this, because you don't know what can happen.

Plus this wasn't 2 20somethings this was a younger person vs an older person

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

That's NOT what I'm talking about.

I have never picked a fight with anyone, male of female, nor do I feel that we have a "right" to.

HOWEVER, people will beat your ass for being an antogistic prick/bitch. It's the way it is. Is it wrong? Is it right? That's a separate debate. This thread isn't about violence in general. We can discuss that elsewhere. Or lack of respect, which is leading to all this fighting.

SO the undue violence notwithstanding...would you feel outraged at a man striking a woman but not a man? THAT is the question.

But that IS what you're talking about. You brought it up.

And many of us have already said we feel outrage about ANYONE being attacked.

It is ridiculous to even bring up the issue of gender equality...because gender equality has nothing to do with violence....except maybe protection from it (e.g. being protected from rape and other basic human rights that women were not entitled to when men were).

Then read my post in its entirety and not pick out what you feel is most suited for your argument.

There definitely is a double standard.

It's 2012 and supposedly we're striving for "gender equality"...at home, at school, in the workplace, etc.

Then, some women feel like they can step up in anger to a man like an equal, but not deal with the consequences. When the retribution is REAL (like in the video) then all of a sudden we're back to 1950's gender roles and a man "shouldn't hit a woman".

We're not talking about violence in general. This is about women who feel they have the right to step up to a man in a way that 50 years ago would be unheard of, and then crying foul when they get treated in kind.

THAT is the gist of THIS thread.

Do I think that the old coot was out of line for giving the b*tch an upper cut? Yes. Not because he hit that particular woman, but because he is a public servant.

But like with those women last year that jumped the counter at McDonald's and TRIED TO BEAT UP the cashier, then got their asses whopped and CRIED FOUL...don't give me a double standard.

OldFriends4Sale said:

TD3 said:

Unless you life is danger people should try to keep their hands to themselves. She should never should've allowed the saliva in her mouth land anywhere or that man, and she should've keep her hands to herself. He could've diffused the situation and stop the bus and call the needed authorities and not engaged the women n jaw jacking.

Of course the bullshit stance that somehow women have been screaming about equality, justifies violence in a non threatening scenario....is a punk explanation.

How can you say this older man's life wasn't in danger. If a person can make that first move, then they can do anything.

Was the bus stopped, was he trying to get her off?

In one of the burbs where I live a grandmother school bus attendant was videoed being harrassed by the kids on the bus, cursing at her, calling her names, even putting their hands on her, she's crying etc, when the video went viral people from all over started sending her money(some kind of fund) for what happened to her over the school year. She got over 100,000 I believe

this guys gets suspended, oops

I don't think the 'screaming about equality' is justifying what happened. I don't fully know who I feel about what he did outside of if she had a weapon, he could be dead or disabled...but at least he did the right thing in not retaliating.

That's the troubling thing about situations like this, because you don't know what can happen.

Plus this wasn't 2 20somethings this was a younger person vs an older person

Round these parts we call that the George W Bush mentality!

JoeTyler said:

when a human being physically attacks another human being, he/she must understand/accept that the attacked human being will probably retaliate;

that said, the attacked human being should always retaliate taking into account the level of the agression of the attacker...and his/her age/gender...

if a kid gave me a kick in the balls, I wouldn't punch him in the face dammit

if a girl slapped me, I wouldn't punch her in the head, dammit

[Edited 10/23/12 8:02am]

PurpleJedi, you're not getting it.

Not much else more I can say without repeating myself, so I won't bother....but you can just go back up and re-read what I wrote earlier if you want.

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

That's NOT what I'm talking about.

I have never picked a fight with anyone, male of female, nor do I feel that we have a "right" to.

HOWEVER, people will beat your ass for being an antogistic prick/bitch. It's the way it is. Is it wrong? Is it right? That's a separate debate. This thread isn't about violence in general. We can discuss that elsewhere. Or lack of respect, which is leading to all this fighting.

SO the undue violence notwithstanding...would you feel outraged at a man striking a woman but not a man? THAT is the question.

But that IS what you're talking about. You brought it up.

And many of us have already said we feel outrage about ANYONE being attacked.

It is ridiculous to even bring up the issue of gender equality...because gender equality has nothing to do with violence....except maybe protection from it (e.g. being protected from rape and other basic human rights that women were not entitled to when men were).

But 'gender equality/gender issues' are a part of it, you can't seperate it.

Even in the video after she spits on him and hits him, she backs away edging him on saying "now your going to get (get fired or get in trouble)" so it seems she had the idea it was "ok" to hit him, but not for him to hit her" and most likely it was because of gender

I mean listening to some of the arguement, he's saying he could get his granddaughter to handle her, it's possible she saying thing about gender as well.

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

That's NOT what I'm talking about.

I have never picked a fight with anyone, male of female, nor do I feel that we have a "right" to.

HOWEVER, people will beat your ass for being an antogistic prick/bitch. It's the way it is. Is it wrong? Is it right? That's a separate debate. This thread isn't about violence in general. We can discuss that elsewhere. Or lack of respect, which is leading to all this fighting.

SO the undue violence notwithstanding...would you feel outraged at a man striking a woman but not a man? THAT is the question.

But that IS what you're talking about. You brought it up.

And many of us have already said we feel outrage about ANYONE being attacked.

It is ridiculous to even bring up the issue of gender equality...because gender equality has nothing to do with violence....except maybe protection from it (e.g. being protected from rape and other basic human rights that women were not entitled to when men were).

Word!

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi, you're not getting it.

Not much else more I can say without repeating myself, so I won't bother....but you can just go back up and re-read what I wrote earlier if you want.

As long as we agree that a double-standard is a double-standard, then yeah, we're just beating a dead horse at this point.

I hope this disagreement doesn't lessen my chances of getting your $1,100.00 pledge.

JustErin said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

How can you say this older man's life wasn't in danger. If a person can make that first move, then they can do anything.

Was the bus stopped, was he trying to get her off?

In one of the burbs where I live a grandmother school bus attendant was videoed being harrassed by the kids on the bus, cursing at her, calling her names, even putting their hands on her, she's crying etc, when the video went viral people from all over started sending her money(some kind of fund) for what happened to her over the school year. She got over 100,000 I believe

this guys gets suspended, oops

I don't think the 'screaming about equality' is justifying what happened. I don't fully know who I feel about what he did outside of if she had a weapon, he could be dead or disabled...but at least he did the right thing in not retaliating.

That's the troubling thing about situations like this, because you don't know what can happen.

Plus this wasn't 2 20somethings this was a younger person vs an older person

Round these parts we call that the George W Bush mentality!

lol

I've seen court cases and know of issues where (m or f) it ended badly for the 1st person attacked

It's a hard thing to judge, being in that moment.

I mean I'm a dude and I wouldn't step to another man like that, I would definately not put my hands on him.

Now I wonder would peoples reaction be different if that was a grandmother dealing with a younger woman

OldFriends4Sale said:

JustErin said:

Round these parts we call that the George W Bush mentality!

lol

I've seen court cases and know of issues where (m or f) it ended badly for the 1st person attacked

It's a hard thing to judge, being in that moment.

I mean I'm a dude and I wouldn't step to another man like that, I would definately not put my hands on him.

Now I wonder would peoples reaction be different if that was a grandmother dealing with a younger woman

JoeTyler said:

when a human being physically attacks another human being, he/she must understand/accept that the attacked human being will probably retaliate;

that said, the attacked human being should always retaliate taking into account the level of the agression of the attacker...and his/her age/gender...

if a kid gave me a kick in the balls, I wouldn't punch him in the face dammit

if a girl slapped me, I wouldn't punch her in the head, dammit

[Edited 10/23/12 8:02am]

Like I always say, once you cross the line, put your hands on someone and thump your chest acting all rough, there's no tapping out once the shit gets real.

You're right about taking the level of agression/size/age gender into account. But that goes out the window once a weapon is involved. Nowadays, you don't know who's carrying.

OldFriends4Sale said:

TD3 said:

Unless you life is danger people should try to keep their hands to themselves. She should never should've allowed the saliva in her mouth land anywhere or that man, and she should've keep her hands to herself. He could've diffused the situation and stop the bus and call the needed authorities and not engaged the women n jaw jacking.

Of course the bullshit stance that somehow women have been screaming about equality, justifies violence in a non threatening scenario....is a punk explanation.

How can you say this older man's life wasn't in danger. If a person can make that first move, then they can do anything.

Was the bus stopped, was he trying to get her off?

In one of the burbs where I live a grandmother school bus attendant was videoed being harassed by the kids on the bus, cursing at her, calling her names, even putting their hands on her, she's crying etc, when the video went viral people from all over started sending her money(some kind of fund) for what happened to her over the school year. She got over 100,000 I believe

this guys gets suspended, oops

I don't think the 'screaming about equality' is justifying what happened. I don't fully know who I feel about what he did outside of if she had a weapon, he could be dead or disabled...but at least he did the right thing in not retaliating.

That's the troubling thing about situations like this, because you don't know what can happen.

Plus this wasn't 2 20somethings this was a younger person vs an older person

Let me guess, both engaged in hurling insults for while before she escalated the situation to physical violence. The bus driver should've not engaged this fool who kept mouthing off and call the proper authorities. What so hard to understand? I understand dealing with the public can be a bitch but this isn't I'm sure the first time this man has had to deal with a fool(s). Something tells me if this had been 6'3 and a 25 year old young man... he would've handles the situation very differently.

Spitting is a no,no. I was spat upon (by some tried ass jerk) last year while my aunt was in nursing facility. It took all of my energy not to cuss him out.... I saw RED!! I was a shocked and it took me a minute to get myself together to realize what he had done. What did I do? I spoke the persons who ran the nursing home, they informed his 3 daughters they would have to find somewhere else for him to live.

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PJ: "Then, some women feel like they can step up in anger to a man like an equal, but not deal with the consequences."

Yea, I can't get down with this statement. What do you mean "like an an equal?" The last I looked

women ARE equal. Also, just because you "step up," doesn't mean I should hit you. I work with a

lot of men and more than a few get in my face. Do I hit any of them? No. Could I knock more than

a few of them out? Yes.

Also, and this is not ALWAYS the case, the power that a man can deliver behind a punch is usually

greater than the av woman can deliver from the same kind of punch. I think it is pretty much

accepted that when it comes to upper body strength, men have more going there. When you punch someone, size and upper body strength matters.

So, do I feel that men should open up and go full strength woop-ass on a woman? No, I do not.

You don't need to do all that to prove a point. I, as a woman, have never gone full on with another

woman. I haven't needed too. Now, if that woman is the Hulks sister, than I can see why you

would need to put everything behind it.

Now, do I feel that a man should NEVER hit a woman? No, I have been in my share of fights with

boys (as a girl) and men. Have I ever felt that any of them were in the wrong for hitting me back?

No.

Man or woman, if you are obviously smaller than me I am not (unless lives depend on it) going to

hit you like I am fighting someone who is of the same size, strength, or weight as me.

LadyCasanova said:

PJ: "Then, some women feel like they can step up in anger to a man like an equal, but not deal with the consequences."

Yea, I can't get down with this statement. What do you mean "like an an equal?" The last I looked

women ARE equal. Also, just because you "step up," doesn't mean I should hit you. I work with a

lot of men and more than a few get in my face. Do I hit any of them? No. Could I knock more than

a few of them out? Yes.

Also, and this is not ALWAYS the case, the power that a man can deliver behind a punch is usually

greater than the av woman can deliver from the same kind of punch. I think it is pretty much

accepted that when it comes to upper body strength, men have more going there. When you punch someone, size and upper body strength matters.

So, do I feel that men should open up and go full strength woop-ass on a woman? No, I do not.

You don't need to do all that to prove a point. I, as a woman, have never gone full on with another

woman. I haven't needed too. Now, if that woman is the Hulks sister, than I can see why you

would need to put everything behind it.

Now, do I feel that a man should NEVER hit a woman? No, I have been in my share of fights with

boys (as a girl) and men. Have I ever felt that any of them were in the wrong for hitting me back?

No.

Man or woman, if you are obviously smaller than me I am not (unless lives depend on it) going to

hit you like I am fighting someone who is of the same size, strength, or weight as me.

I dont wanna fight, I just wanna