Hum, do you consider "tranny sex" as "straight" or "gay" or a another category?

I'm asking 'cause in every straight porn site there's always that "tranny/transexual" category... After all these are 'men' (hey, they still have a penis don't they?)... Isn't men-on-men gay sex? Or it doesn't count because they are men transformed into women??

I'm kinda confused about this, had to start a thread!

well, there are sites for S&M and foot fetishes, so what category is that?

It's just another category that people are interested in. Doesn't really matter what category the category is in, does it?

FrenchGuy said:

Hum, do you consider "tranny sex" as "straight" or "gay" or a another category?

I'm asking 'cause in every straight porn site there's always that "tranny/transexual" category... After all these are 'men' (hey, they still have a penis don't they?)... Isn't men-on-men gay sex? Or it doesn't count because they are men transformed into women??

I'm kinda confused about this, had to start a thread!

Us humans have not figured out the totality there is to our human sexuality and how we

perceive and act upon it. I like women. And I like big butts and I cannot lie. And am

sexually attracted to women only. But that doesn't mean that when I see a good looking

anybody, that I'm not aesthetically pleased. I think we all are just attracted to what beauty

is. Some of us wanna fuck it. Some of us just wanna look.

So your confusion isn't a big deal!

duccichucka said:

FrenchGuy said:

Hum, do you consider "tranny sex" as "straight" or "gay" or a another category?

I'm asking 'cause in every straight porn site there's always that "tranny/transexual" category... After all these are 'men' (hey, they still have a penis don't they?)... Isn't men-on-men gay sex? Or it doesn't count because they are men transformed into women??

I'm kinda confused about this, had to start a thread!

Us humans have not figured out the totality there is to our human sexuality and how we

perceive and act upon it. I like women. And I like big butts and I cannot lie. And am

sexually attracted to women only. But that doesn't mean that when I see a good looking

anybody, that I'm not aesthetically pleased. I think we all are just attracted to what beauty

is. Some of us wanna fuck it. Some of us just wanna look.

So your confusion isn't a big deal!

Yeah sure, I feel the exact same way when it comes to appreciate beauty... I can find a woman handsome, and a man handsome too.

I'm talking from a 'sexual' point of view. Since most straight guy would clearly draw the line between homosexuality and heterosexuality, I just wonder how most perceive tranny sex? Are trannies considered as women or women when it comes tos ex? Because in 'general' STRAIGHT (i insist on the 'straight' aspect of this) porn, you have that 'tranny' category. Even when it comes to S&M, foot fetichism, or anything else, it's still MAN and WOMAN.

But the tranny thing blurries the lines...

I've had many discussion with my (straight) friends about this and NONE of them would qualify this as "straight", they even call it 'GAY porn'...

FrenchGuy said:

duccichucka said:

Us humans have not figured out the totality there is to our human sexuality and how we

perceive and act upon it. I like women. And I like big butts and I cannot lie. And am

sexually attracted to women only. But that doesn't mean that when I see a good looking

anybody, that I'm not aesthetically pleased. I think we all are just attracted to what beauty

is. Some of us wanna fuck it. Some of us just wanna look.

So your confusion isn't a big deal!

Yeah sure, I feel the exact same way when it comes to appreciate beauty... I can find a woman handsome, and a man handsome too.

I'm talking from a 'sexual' point of view. Since most straight guy would clearly draw the line between homosexuality and heterosexuality, I just wonder how most perceive tranny sex? Are trannies considered as women or women when it comes tos ex? Because in 'general' STRAIGHT (i insist on the 'straight' aspect of this) porn, you have that 'tranny' category. Even when it comes to S&M, foot fetichism, or anything else, it's still MAN and WOMAN.

But the tranny thing blurries the lines...

I've had many discussion with my (straight) friends about this and NONE of them would qualify this as "straight", they even call it 'GAY porn'...

Most porn consists of a man and woman because that is the normative expression of

sex and intimacy in our culture. In my opinion (and it's admittedly limited), trannies

are usually gay - male or female. I think the tranny thing, as you put it, blurs the line

because we don't fully understand the psychology and sexuality constitution of tran-

sexuals.

Heterosexuals, for the most part, are afraid of what is not clearly heterosexual. And

heterosexuals, for the most part, are retards. If I offended any of you retarded hetero-

sexuals, too bad.

j/k

Straight men that are into pre-op transgender women are bi only for those women.

Thread over.

First of all, what the hell are you doing back at the org? And secondly, you would have to come up with a topic that would get me riled up.

Years ago, I used to absolutely hate them until one day I just woke up and said to myself..."Wait a minute Andy, you're pissed at the wrong people. It's the men that sleep with them that you need to be pissed at". The majority of the men that I've seen in my experience that sleep with them are trade (closeted bisexual men) and they call themselves straight so you KNOW that's not gonna go well with me. Mainly, because these men are some of the worst gay bashers there are. And also, because they go after the drag queens as a second choice when there's no woman available to them. When there's no woman or drag queen available to them, then they go after the regular gay guys but only as a last resort. Also, they don't refer to the drag queens as a "she" unless they are alone with them. Otherwise, they refer to them as a "he" when anyone else is around and they have absolutely no respect for them or regular gay men whatsoever. They respect their women, by respect I mean, they don't talk disrespectful to them to their face and they don't act as if the women "owe" them anything for sleeping with them and they don't act as if their women should feel absolutely grateful for sleeping with them. But when dealing with a drag queen or an ordinary regular gay guy, they are considered the outcast to society and hey, if you consider yourself the almighty "straight man", an outcast should be down and kiss your ass and thank their lucky stars that you would even consider sleeping with them right? Wrong! Andy is not beneath ANYONE not even a HAIR beneath anyone and he ain't giving up shit to one of them because he doesn't owe them anything and Andy don't kiss nobody's ass either. And if these men are so straight, then when they brag to all their straight male buddies about all the women they've slept with, then why don't they also brag to them about all the drag queens and gay men they've slept with? Because they know they would get the "fag" label just like we get and would become just as hated as we are. And to be truthful, I WANT them to get that label and receive the hate because they're the main ones that have dished it out to us.

I hated the drag queens for years because they attracted those men down to the clubs and then I just finally decided that they weren't the problem and that if drag queens didn't exist, those men would still come down there and stir up all that shit, and still rob and beat people, and sometimes kill people because when it comes to getting an orgasm, they don't care who gives it to them. They would probably let a dog lick their dick to orgasm if nothing else was available to them. They just happen to go after the drag queens first because they look closest to a woman. But I tell ya, they sure as hell ain't straight because no matter how much she looks like a woman, there's a dick down there, not a pussy, so when these trade motherfuckers are fooling with one, they're still fooling with a man so don't throw that "straight" bullshit my way because I'll bust their ass out in the straight world and we'll just see how straight THEY think these men are. I stopped fooling with those trade bastards years ago for the sake of my blood pressure and I have absolutely no resentment for the drag queens now whatsoever. I just simply see them as doing their thing and can't help it if they attract some confused asshole men that are in denial of their own sexuality. Now, I strictly sleep with only either 100% gay men or bisexual men who ADMIT to themselves that they are bisexual. I did however, make the mistake of getting involved with a trade bastard as recent as two years ago out of loneliness (and horniness too) and that ended with me getting drunk one night and he pissed me off on the WRONG night and I wanted to run over his damn ass with my car. Thank God I didn't find him because I would have regretted it later.

See there, you just HAD to pick a subject to get me riled up when you came back. I'm glad to see you back though.

vainandy said:

First of all, what the hell are you doing back at the org? And secondly, you would have to come up with a topic that would get me riled up.

Years ago, I used to absolutely hate them until one day I just woke up and said to myself..."Wait a minute Andy, you're pissed at the wrong people. It's the men that sleep with them that you need to be pissed at". The majority of the men that I've seen in my experience that sleep with them are trade (closeted bisexual men) and they call themselves straight so you KNOW that's not gonna go well with me. Mainly, because these men are some of the worst gay bashers there are. And also, because they go after the drag queens as a second choice when there's no woman available to them. When there's no woman or drag queen available to them, then they go after the regular gay guys but only as a last resort. Also, they don't refer to the drag queens as a "she" unless they are alone with them. Otherwise, they refer to them as a "he" when anyone else is around and they have absolutely no respect for them or regular gay men whatsoever. They respect their women, by respect I mean, they don't talk disrespectful to them to their face and they don't act as if the women "owe" them anything for sleeping with them and they don't act as if their women should feel absolutely grateful for sleeping with them. But when dealing with a drag queen or an ordinary regular gay guy, they are considered the outcast to society and hey, if you consider yourself the almighty "straight man", an outcast should be down and kiss your ass and thank their lucky stars that you would even consider sleeping with them right? Wrong! Andy is not beneath ANYONE not even a HAIR beneath anyone and he ain't giving up shit to one of them because he doesn't owe them anything and Andy don't kiss nobody's ass either. And if these men are so straight, then when they brag to all their straight male buddies about all the women they've slept with, then why don't they also brag to them about all the drag queens and gay men they've slept with? Because they know they would get the "fag" label just like we get and would become just as hated as we are. And to be truthful, I WANT them to get that label and receive the hate because they're the main ones that have dished it out to us.

I hated the drag queens for years because they attracted those men down to the clubs and then I just finally decided that they weren't the problem and that if drag queens didn't exist, those men would still come down there and stir up all that shit, and still rob and beat people, and sometimes kill people because when it comes to getting an orgasm, they don't care who gives it to them. They would probably let a dog lick their dick to orgasm if nothing else was available to them. They just happen to go after the drag queens first because they look closest to a woman. But I tell ya, they sure as hell ain't straight because no matter how much she looks like a woman, there's a dick down there, not a pussy, so when these trade motherfuckers are fooling with one, they're still fooling with a man so don't throw that "straight" bullshit my way because I'll bust their ass out in the straight world and we'll just see how straight THEY think these men are. I stopped fooling with those trade bastards years ago for the sake of my blood pressure and I have absolutely no resentment for the drag queens now whatsoever. I just simply see them as doing their thing and can't help it if they attract some confused asshole men that are in denial of their own sexuality. Now, I strictly sleep with only either 100% gay men or bisexual men who ADMIT to themselves that they are bisexual. I did however, make the mistake of getting involved with a trade bastard as recent as two years ago out of loneliness (and horniness too) and that ended with me getting drunk one night and he pissed me off on the WRONG night and I wanted to run over his damn ass with my car. Thank God I didn't find him because I would have regretted it later.

See there, you just HAD to pick a subject to get me riled up when you came back. I'm glad to see you back though.

You keep saying drag queen. Are you calling trans women drag queens? Those two are not the same at all

My woman is trans and we are a lesbian couple, period.

Nah I don't consider them "straight" or "gay" at all. It wouldn't make sense to think of it like that.

I've seen a lot of beautiful trans people though.

ThickeGirl said:

My woman is trans and we are a lesbian couple, period.

Is she pre-op or post-op?

Timmy84 said:

ThickeGirl said:

My woman is trans and we are a lesbian couple, period.

Is she pre-op or post-op?

That's a sensitive question in the trans world, as it it considerered irrelevent as to what a man or woman is (mental vs physical). They do not feel defined by their genitalia. Accepting someone's gender choice means you are looking beyond traditional physical characteristics. I respect that more now I have been in a relationship like this. I do, however, understand how it pertains to the original question. I just won't answer it. That is a question that really pisses off trans women, regardless if they themselves are post-op or pre-op

^^ trans women shouldn't get pissed off, most gay and straight people don't 'understand' trans issues

[Edited 7/24/12 11:38am]

FrenchGuy said:

Hum, do you consider "tranny sex" as "straight" or "gay" or a another category?

I'm asking 'cause in every straight porn site there's always that "tranny/transexual" category... After all these are 'men' (hey, they still have a penis don't they?)... Isn't men-on-men gay sex? Or it doesn't count because they are men transformed into women??

I'm kinda confused about this, had to start a thread!

Tranny sex is queer sex, is not str8 or gay

'Str8 men' who are into Transexual M2F are in my opinion very deeply closeted men. They could be bisexual or homosexual. It's their defined lifestyle that as 'str8' that causes them to go after Trans instead of 'real' men

shemale porn has made me realize that I have absolutely no issues with a penis as long as it isn't attached to what looks like a man

orger said:

shemale porn has made me realize that I have absolutely no issues with a penis as long as it isn't attached to what looks like a man

You don't look like a man?

Cloudbuster said:

orger said:

shemale porn has made me realize that I have absolutely no issues with a(nother) penis as long as it isn't attached to what looks like a man

You don't look like a man?

fixed

ThickeGirl said:

Timmy84 said:

Is she pre-op or post-op?

That's a sensitive question in the trans world, as it it considerered irrelevent as to what a man or woman is (mental vs physical). They do not feel defined by their genitalia. Accepting someone's gender choice means you are looking beyond traditional physical characteristics. I respect that more now I have been in a relationship like this. I do, however, understand how it pertains to the original question. I just won't answer it. That is a question that really pisses off trans women, regardless if they themselves are post-op or pre-op

I don't know. Some folks are willing to answer that question. I don't think it pisses them off at all. But maybe you're just speaking on personal experience and not the general picture.

OldFriends4Sale said:

^^ trans women shouldn't get pissed off, most people don't 'understand' gay & straight

I always thought "gay" and "straight" were blanket terms when it comes to things like this. I definitely think it's a good case of bisexuality. Some have admitted to such.

vainandy said:

First of all, what the hell are you doing back at the org? And secondly, you would have to come up with a topic that would get me riled up.

Years ago, I used to absolutely hate them until one day I just woke up and said to myself..."Wait a minute Andy, you're pissed at the wrong people. It's the men that sleep with them that you need to be pissed at". The majority of the men that I've seen in my experience that sleep with them are trade (closeted bisexual men) and they call themselves straight so you KNOW that's not gonna go well with me. Mainly, because these men are some of the worst gay bashers there are. And also, because they go after the drag queens as a second choice when there's no woman available to them. When there's no woman or drag queen available to them, then they go after the regular gay guys but only as a last resort. Also, they don't refer to the drag queens as a "she" unless they are alone with them. Otherwise, they refer to them as a "he" when anyone else is around and they have absolutely no respect for them or regular gay men whatsoever. They respect their women, by respect I mean, they don't talk disrespectful to them to their face and they don't act as if the women "owe" them anything for sleeping with them and they don't act as if their women should feel absolutely grateful for sleeping with them. But when dealing with a drag queen or an ordinary regular gay guy, they are considered the outcast to society and hey, if you consider yourself the almighty "straight man", an outcast should be down and kiss your ass and thank their lucky stars that you would even consider sleeping with them right? Wrong! Andy is not beneath ANYONE not even a HAIR beneath anyone and he ain't giving up shit to one of them because he doesn't owe them anything and Andy don't kiss nobody's ass either. And if these men are so straight, then when they brag to all their straight male buddies about all the women they've slept with, then why don't they also brag to them about all the drag queens and gay men they've slept with? Because they know they would get the "fag" label just like we get and would become just as hated as we are. And to be truthful, I WANT them to get that label and receive the hate because they're the main ones that have dished it out to us.

I hated the drag queens for years because they attracted those men down to the clubs and then I just finally decided that they weren't the problem and that if drag queens didn't exist, those men would still come down there and stir up all that shit, and still rob and beat people, and sometimes kill people because when it comes to getting an orgasm, they don't care who gives it to them. They would probably let a dog lick their dick to orgasm if nothing else was available to them. They just happen to go after the drag queens first because they look closest to a woman. But I tell ya, they sure as hell ain't straight because no matter how much she looks like a woman, there's a dick down there, not a pussy, so when these trade motherfuckers are fooling with one, they're still fooling with a man so don't throw that "straight" bullshit my way because I'll bust their ass out in the straight world and we'll just see how straight THEY think these men are. I stopped fooling with those trade bastards years ago for the sake of my blood pressure and I have absolutely no resentment for the drag queens now whatsoever. I just simply see them as doing their thing and can't help it if they attract some confused asshole men that are in denial of their own sexuality. Now, I strictly sleep with only either 100% gay men or bisexual men who ADMIT to themselves that they are bisexual. I did however, make the mistake of getting involved with a trade bastard as recent as two years ago out of loneliness (and horniness too) and that ended with me getting drunk one night and he pissed me off on the WRONG night and I wanted to run over his damn ass with my car. Thank God I didn't find him because I would have regretted it later.

See there, you just HAD to pick a subject to get me riled up when you came back. I'm glad to see you back though.

Hello Andy!

I can see I got you really RILED up!

Yeah there's still a lot of hypocrisy surroundiing sex with shemale...

Timmy84 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

^^ trans women shouldn't get pissed off, most people don't 'understand' gay & straight

I always thought "gay" and "straight" were blanket terms when it comes to things like this. I definitely think it's a good case of bisexuality. Some have admitted to such.

I think 'gay' & straight' are almost 'culture like' ya know ..just because a man has sex with men he can can still live a 'str8 life'. he may be homosexual or bisexual but not gay. I think those are 2 very social-culture terms

oops I don't think I phrased my comment correctly. I meant to say I don't think most gay & straight people understand what's going on with trans people

I believe most 'gay/homo' men want to be men and have sex with men

I don't know...all I know is that I respect them and have no qualms, I just don't think I could be with one.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Timmy84 said:

I always thought "gay" and "straight" were blanket terms when it comes to things like this. I definitely think it's a good case of bisexuality. Some have admitted to such.

I think 'gay' & straight' are almost 'culture like' ya know ..just because a man has sex with men he can can still live a 'str8 life'. he may be homosexual or bisexual but not gay. I think those are 2 very social-culture terms

oops I don't think I phrased my comment correctly. I meant to say I don't think most gay & straight people understand what's going on with trans people

I believe most 'gay/homo' men want to be men and have sex with men

I agree with this.

Timmy84 said:

ThickeGirl said:

That's a sensitive question in the trans world, as it it considerered irrelevent as to what a man or woman is (mental vs physical). They do not feel defined by their genitalia. Accepting someone's gender choice means you are looking beyond traditional physical characteristics. I respect that more now I have been in a relationship like this. I do, however, understand how it pertains to the original question. I just won't answer it. That is a question that really pisses off trans women, regardless if they themselves are post-op or pre-op

I don't know. Some folks are willing to answer that question. I don't think it pisses them off at all. But maybe you're just speaking on personal experience and not the general picture.

No, it's pretty standard. The people who answer you are the minority. It's actually an offensive question

http://tranifesto.com/tra...ns-person/

http://skepchick.org/2012...-part-one/

http://queereka.com/2012/...-part-two/

http://tranifesto.com/tra...ns-people/

at 7:18

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ure=relmfu

Those are just a few