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Thread started 07/08/12 6:48pm

missfee

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Does it matter if you take a multi-vitamin daily or not?

I'm just asking because right now, I'm not taking any. When I was taking multi-vitamins I really didn't feel any different than when I wasn't taking them. So do you any of you swear by taking multi-vitamins on a daily basis or feel that it's really not necessary unless the doctor suggests it?

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Reply #1 posted 07/08/12 7:03pm

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If you already have a more clean lifestyle(No excessive drinking and or drugs, healthy eating habits and moderate exercise) you might not need it as much as those whose lifestyles are more the partying kind. I told a friend of mine who drinks a bit that he should start taking them and he noticed a positive difference in how he felt after a night out once he got on a regular basis of taking them. For myself I take them and they make me feel more energized fo the day.

[Edited 7/8/12 19:04pm]

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Reply #2 posted 07/09/12 10:06am

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I'm kind of a slacker when it comes to taking my multivitamins regularly, but my skin looks better, my nail, and I am anemic which can get severe when I'm not careful. I know I don't always stick to the proper eating habit, and a lot of times I just can't eat everything that I need to. So yeah I notice a difference nothing drastic like increased energy levels, but I feel a little more upright. And Grammy took them, over 90 no blood pressure problem, no diabetic problem, limited heart disease issues, so why not.

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Reply #3 posted 07/09/12 10:12am

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I definitely feel "better" when taking a multi-v.

For about 6 months I procrastinated in getting some. Now that I bought them and taking them daily, I feel "better". Can't describe it...just like more of a spring to my step or something. I'm also Vitamin D deficient, so that has alot to do with it I think.

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Reply #4 posted 07/09/12 10:29am

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Okay thanks for the responses guys!

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Reply #5 posted 07/09/12 10:46am

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I take them, but I honestly have no clue whether they make a difference to anything but my pee!

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Reply #6 posted 07/09/12 11:31am

Dalia11

missfee said:

I'm just asking because right now, I'm not taking any. When I was taking multi-vitamins I really didn't feel any different than when I wasn't taking them. So do you any of you swear by taking multi-vitamins on a daily basis or feel that it's really not necessary unless the doctor suggests it?

It depends on a person's diet. Fruits and veggies should give a person enough of the vitamins they need. However, many people do not eat the required daily amount of fruits and vegetables. I take multi-vitamins a few times a week. They have Gummy adult vitamins that I will try soon.

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Reply #7 posted 07/09/12 11:37am

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Dalia11 said:

missfee said:

I'm just asking because right now, I'm not taking any. When I was taking multi-vitamins I really didn't feel any different than when I wasn't taking them. So do you any of you swear by taking multi-vitamins on a daily basis or feel that it's really not necessary unless the doctor suggests it?

It depends on a person's diet. Fruits and veggies should give a person enough of the vitamins they need. However, many people do not eat the required daily amount of fruits and vegetables. I take multi-vitamins a few times a week. They have Gummy adult vitamins that I will try soon.

yes, if you ate like a chimp or an ape, you'd comsume a tableful of organic fruit & veggies every day. Most people don't do this.

I think juicing is a good way to get a concentrated dose of vitamins without having to spend hours and hours munching on a raw stalk of chard. But even then, you'd be going through like $20 of organic veggies every day in order to get enough.

[Edited 7/9/12 11:44am]

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Reply #8 posted 07/09/12 11:44am

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I don't take a multi - but I do supplement specific vitamins and minerals. I've had a vitamin D deficiency, so I take that pretty much year-round. I also take magnesium every day - most people are deficient due to our food being grown in mineral-deficient soil. Plus it makes me "go" first thing in the morning - always a plus.

In the winter, I also take NAC - a powerful anti-oxidant and immune booster. It helps me ward off colds and whatnot. (When I'm doing a show, I'm often swimming in a new germ pool - so this is important.)

I probably should take a thyroid support vitamin - but I always forget these, since they're high in B vitamins and so should be taken in the morning.

And I take theanine every day. Not a vitamin - it's a supplement that is the calming part of green tea. It chills me out a bit without making me sleepy, which I like.

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Reply #9 posted 07/09/12 11:45am

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NDRU said:

Dalia11 said:

It depends on a person's diet. Fruits and veggies should give a person enough of the vitamins they need. However, many people do not eat the required daily amount of fruits and vegetables. I take multi-vitamins a few times a week. They have Gummy adult vitamins that I will try soon.

yes, if you ate like a chimp or an ape, you'd comsume a tabeful of organic fruit & veggies every day. Most people don't do this.

I think juicing is a good way to get a concentrated dose of vitamins without having to spend hours and hours munching on a raw stalk of chard. But even then, you'd be going through like $20 of organic veggies every day in order to get enough.

Plus, you remove the fiber and concentrate the calories - neither of which most people need.

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Reply #10 posted 07/09/12 11:49am

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I was taking a combined calcium/vitamin D deal but I stopped recently and I didn't notice any difference.

I should really start taking it again, as I know I probably don't get enough calcium.

I definitely plan to increase my vitamin D in the winter, though, as I hope it will improve my SAD/ward off depression. I was on antidepressants last winter so I didn't bother but I'm off them now and I'd like to stay off them if possible.

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Reply #11 posted 07/09/12 11:50am

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NDRU, You have a point. Whatever is easier for a person. I eat at least 4 servings of fruits and 3 servings of vegetables daily. Some people are now saying that Organic foods are not any better than non-organic foods?

[Edited 7/9/12 11:51am]

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Reply #12 posted 07/09/12 11:57am

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Dalia11 said:

NDRU, You have a point. Whatever is easier for a person. I eat at least 4 servings of fruits and 3 servings of vegetables daily. Some people are now saying that Organic foods are not any better than non-organic foods?

[Edited 7/9/12 11:51am]

It depends on what you mean by "better". In general they're going to have the same nutritional content, but the organic food is missing the chemical pesticides and hormones and whatnot, the things that can potentially be bad for you, especially in larger quantities.

I buy organic about 60-75% of the time and I wash my fruits and veggies thoroughly. I believe it helps in the long run, but I'm not sure I can quantify how much.

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Reply #13 posted 07/09/12 12:05pm

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CarrieMpls said:

I was taking a combined calcium/vitamin D deal but I stopped recently and I didn't notice any difference.

I should really start taking it again, as I know I probably don't get enough calcium.

I definitely plan to increase my vitamin D in the winter, though, as I hope it will improve my SAD/ward off depression. I was on antidepressants last winter so I didn't bother but I'm off them now and I'd like to stay off them if possible.

You will be amazed at how much the vitamin D helps with the SAD. My winter mood (not to mention my immunity) has improved a lot since I took care of my deficiency. In the winter, I take 5000 IU of vitamin D a day - even now that my vitamin D level is "normal."

Have you had your vitamin D level checked? Normal range is between 30 and 100 nmol/L (though readings below 50 are still not optimal for bone and overall health). In 2007, mine was 17. omfg The last time I had it checked (about a year ago), it was 59.

Still working to get it up to 70-ish. Because D is a fat soluble vitamin, it can take a looooong time to get it to where it needs to be.

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Reply #14 posted 07/09/12 12:08pm

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CarrieMpls said:

Dalia11 said:

NDRU, You have a point. Whatever is easier for a person. I eat at least 4 servings of fruits and 3 servings of vegetables daily. Some people are now saying that Organic foods are not any better than non-organic foods?

[Edited 7/9/12 11:51am]

It depends on what you mean by "better". In general they're going to have the same nutritional content, but the organic food is missing the chemical pesticides and hormones and whatnot, the things that can potentially be bad for you, especially in larger quantities.

I buy organic about 60-75% of the time and I wash my fruits and veggies thoroughly. I believe it helps in the long run, but I'm not sure I can quantify how much.

I have read some sources that say organic is way more nutritious. Of course, I am not a scientist, so I have no clue.

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Reply #15 posted 07/09/12 12:19pm

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That is why people should learn more about Nutrition and the foods they eat.

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NDRU said:

CarrieMpls said:

It depends on what you mean by "better". In general they're going to have the same nutritional content, but the organic food is missing the chemical pesticides and hormones and whatnot, the things that can potentially be bad for you, especially in larger quantities.

I buy organic about 60-75% of the time and I wash my fruits and veggies thoroughly. I believe it helps in the long run, but I'm not sure I can quantify how much.

I have read some sources that say organic is way more nutritious. Of course, I am not a scientist, so I have no clue.

Wow! I was not aware of that at all! Very interesting.

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Reply #17 posted 07/09/12 12:57pm

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Genesia said:

CarrieMpls said:

I was taking a combined calcium/vitamin D deal but I stopped recently and I didn't notice any difference.

I should really start taking it again, as I know I probably don't get enough calcium.

I definitely plan to increase my vitamin D in the winter, though, as I hope it will improve my SAD/ward off depression. I was on antidepressants last winter so I didn't bother but I'm off them now and I'd like to stay off them if possible.

You will be amazed at how much the vitamin D helps with the SAD. My winter mood (not to mention my immunity) has improved a lot since I took care of my deficiency. In the winter, I take 5000 IU of vitamin D a day - even now that my vitamin D level is "normal."

Have you had your vitamin D level checked? Normal range is between 30 and 100 nmol/L (though readings below 50 are still not optimal for bone and overall health). In 2007, mine was 17. omfg The last time I had it checked (about a year ago), it was 59.

Still working to get it up to 70-ish. Because D is a fat soluble vitamin, it can take a looooong time to get it to where it needs to be.

I've never had it tested, no, but perhaps I will ask for it next time I have a physical.

My bf takes it as it's hugely beneficial for folks with MS. They even think it may correlate to contracting it, as almost no one who grows up & lives around the equator gets MS and the vast majority of cases are folks who live in the upper parts of the hemispheres.

I think there's a lot we don't yet inderstand about it.

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Reply #18 posted 07/09/12 1:06pm

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CarrieMpls said:

Genesia said:

You will be amazed at how much the vitamin D helps with the SAD. My winter mood (not to mention my immunity) has improved a lot since I took care of my deficiency. In the winter, I take 5000 IU of vitamin D a day - even now that my vitamin D level is "normal."

Have you had your vitamin D level checked? Normal range is between 30 and 100 nmol/L (though readings below 50 are still not optimal for bone and overall health). In 2007, mine was 17. omfg The last time I had it checked (about a year ago), it was 59.

Still working to get it up to 70-ish. Because D is a fat soluble vitamin, it can take a looooong time to get it to where it needs to be.

I've never had it tested, no, but perhaps I will ask for it next time I have a physical.

My bf takes it as it's hugely beneficial for folks with MS. They even think it may correlate to contracting it, as almost no one who grows up & lives around the equator gets MS and the vast majority of cases are folks who live in the upper parts of the hemispheres.

I think there's a lot we don't yet inderstand about it.

It may also be linked to cancer prevention. Southern US states have lower incidences of many types of cancer - and the thinking is that better opportunities for sun exposure (and vitamin D synthesis) year-round may be a factor.

There's a lot we don't know. And since it's pretty hard to actually OD on vitamin D, I figure an ounce of prevention... shrug

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Reply #19 posted 07/09/12 1:19pm

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Genesia said:

CarrieMpls said:

I've never had it tested, no, but perhaps I will ask for it next time I have a physical.

My bf takes it as it's hugely beneficial for folks with MS. They even think it may correlate to contracting it, as almost no one who grows up & lives around the equator gets MS and the vast majority of cases are folks who live in the upper parts of the hemispheres.

I think there's a lot we don't yet inderstand about it.

It may also be linked to cancer prevention. Southern US states have lower incidences of many types of cancer - and the thinking is that better opportunities for sun exposure (and vitamin D synthesis) year-round may be a factor.

There's a lot we don't know. And since it's pretty hard to actually OD on vitamin D, I figure an ounce of prevention... shrug

I take a weekly pill of Vitamin D @ 50,000IU (prescription)

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Reply #20 posted 07/09/12 1:48pm

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PurpleJedi said:

Genesia said:

It may also be linked to cancer prevention. Southern US states have lower incidences of many types of cancer - and the thinking is that better opportunities for sun exposure (and vitamin D synthesis) year-round may be a factor.

There's a lot we don't know. And since it's pretty hard to actually OD on vitamin D, I figure an ounce of prevention... shrug

I take a weekly pill of Vitamin D @ 50,000IU (prescription)

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Yup. When my deficiency was first diagnosed, I was on 10,000 IU every other day. nod

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Reply #21 posted 07/10/12 2:24am

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I take a B/C/magnesium in the morning and with dinner D/calcium

I was also taking iron sachets in the morning but I ran out mad

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Reply #22 posted 07/10/12 2:24am

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PurpleJedi said:

Genesia said:

It may also be linked to cancer prevention. Southern US states have lower incidences of many types of cancer - and the thinking is that better opportunities for sun exposure (and vitamin D synthesis) year-round may be a factor.

There's a lot we don't know. And since it's pretty hard to actually OD on vitamin D, I figure an ounce of prevention... shrug

I take a weekly pill of Vitamin D @ 50,000IU (prescription)

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eek that's a big one! I take 2000iu each day

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Reply #23 posted 07/10/12 4:20am

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I'll preface anything I say by stating that I am no expert and make no claims to being anything other than a layman on this topic and not a particularly knowledgeable one either. And I’ll also acknowledge that nothing I’m stating should apply to specific supplementation due to medical requirements (folic acid, vitamin d, that stuff). I’m just posting because there is a broad belief that vitamin usage is a harmless way to top up for any short-comings you may have in your diet, and that may not be the case.

Most of what I’ve read has stated that there’s no benefit to be gained for most people from routine supplementation, and in there may be a danger to it for some specific forms. Rather than try to put this into my own words, I’m just going to cite a few passages from Ben Goldacre’s Bad Science and Michael Specter’s Denialism.

I'll also add that the studies showing increased mortality among some forms of supplementation are only establishing correlation, not cause - there could be 'sick-user' effect in play, for example.

From page 154-5 of Denialism:

In 2009, researchers from the Women’s Health Initiative...concluded a fifteen year study that focused on strategies for preventing heart disease, various cancers and bone fractures in postmenopausal women. After following 161,808 women for eight years, the team found no evidence of any benefit from multivitamin use in any of the ten conditions they examined. There were no differences in the rate of breast or colon cancer, heart attack, stroke, or blood clots. Most important, perhaps, vitamins did nothing to lower the death rate.

Another recent study, this time involving eleven thousand people, produced similar results. In 2008, another major trial of men had shown that the risk for developing advanced prostate cancer and of dying from it was in some cases actually twice as high for people who took a daily multivitamin as it was for those who never took them at all. There are hundreds of studies to demonstrate that people who exercise regularly reduce their risk of coronary artery disease by about 40 percent, as well as their risk of stroke, hypertension and diabetes, also by significant amounts. Studies of vitamin supplements have never produced any similar outcome.

While a diet rich in antioxidants has been associated with lower rates of chronic disease, those associations have never been reflected in trials in which people took antioxidants in supplement form. In 2007 the Journal of the American Medical Association published the results of the most exhaustive review yet of such supplements. After examining sixty-eight trials that had been conducted during the previous seventeen years, researchers found that the 180,000 participants received no benefits whatsoever. In fact, vitamin A and vitamin E, each immensely popular, actually increased the likelihood of death by 5 percent. Vitamin C and selenium had no significant impact on mortality.

“The harmful effects of antioxidant supplements are not confined to vitamin A,” said the review’s coauthor, Christian Gluud. “Our analyses also demonstrate rather convincingly that beta-carotene and vitamin E lead to increased mortality compared to placebo

From page 105-107 of Bad Science:

Two large trials of antioxidants were set up...One was in Finland, where 30,000 participants at high risk of lung cancer were recruited, and randomized to receive beta-carotene, vitamin E, or both or neither. Not only were there more lung cancers among the people receiving the supposedly protective beta-carotene supplements, compared with placebo, but this vitamin group also had more deaths overall, from both lung cancer and heart disease.

The results of the other trial were almost worse...Two groups of people at high risk of lung cancer were studied. Half were given beta-carotene and vitamin A, while the other half got placebo. 18000 participants were due to be recruited throughout its course, and the intention was that they would be followed up for an average of six years; but in fact, the trial was terminated early, because it was considered unethical to continue it. Why? The people having the antioxidant tablets were 46% more likely to die from lung cancer, and 17% more likely to die of any cause, than the people taking the placebo pills.

Since then the placebo-controlled trial data on antioxidant vitamin supplements has continued to give negative results, The most up-to-date Cochrane reviews of the literature pool...show that antioxidant supplements are either ineffective or perhaps even actively harmful.

...

Most recently, a Cochrane review looked at the number of deaths, from any cause, in all the placebo-controlled randomized trials on antioxidants that have ever been performed, describing the experiences of 230,000 people in total. This showed overall that, antioxidant vitamin pills do not reduce deaths, and in fact they may increase your chance of dying.

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ZombieKitten said:

PurpleJedi said:

I take a weekly pill of Vitamin D @ 50,000IU (prescription)

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eek that's a big one! I take 2000iu each day

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I'm really deficient.

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PurpleJedi said:



ZombieKitten said:




PurpleJedi said:




I take a weekly pill of Vitamin D @ 50,000IU (prescription)



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eek that's a big one! I take 2000iu each day




nod



I'm really deficient.


Me too hmmm
I've had 2 specialists tell me I'll have to take a D supplement for life but not huge dosage like yours
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CarrieMpls said:

NDRU said:

I have read some sources that say organic is way more nutritious. Of course, I am not a scientist, so I have no clue.

Wow! I was not aware of that at all! Very interesting.

It makes sense that "regular" produce is engineered to last long and be pretty, and there would be some kind of tradeoffs as a result.

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I took them for YEARS...my doc had me start taking them when I was 15 as I was a horrible eater...and I wasn't getting the necessary nutrition. I also used to get sick ALL the time.

Seriously, as soon as I started taking them I definitely felt better...more energy, wasn't getting sick very often, and when I did it wouldn't last long. During my 20s/30s I literally can count on one hand how many times I had a cold. Everyone around me would be sick and I would be the one ok.

So last year my current Dr told me to stop taking them as he felt they were making my blood too thick...enough so that I was prone for blood clots and also as I eat MUCH healthier now, he felt there simply wasn't a need. So for the last year I haven't taken them...and guess what...I am up to 4 colds this year. Other than that I don't really feel any different. I am considering taking them again, as these colds are really getting on my nerves. But now I have to take the over 50 ones (cry ugh, I know...but I am only 40!!) as they don't have iron which makes the blood thick.

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Poplife88 said:

I took them for YEARS...my doc had me start taking them when I was 15 as I was a horrible eater...and I wasn't getting the necessary nutrition. I also used to get sick ALL the time.

Seriously, as soon as I started taking them I definitely felt better...more energy, wasn't getting sick very often, and when I did it wouldn't last long. During my 20s/30s I literally can count on one hand how many times I had a cold. Everyone around me would be sick and I would be the one ok.

So last year my current Dr told me to stop taking them as he felt they were making my blood too thick...enough so that I was prone for blood clots and also as I eat MUCH healthier now, he felt there simply wasn't a need. So for the last year I haven't taken them...and guess what...I am up to 4 colds this year. Other than that I don't really feel any different. I am considering taking them again, as these colds are really getting on my nerves. But now I have to take the over 50 ones (cry ugh, I know...but I am only 40!!) as they don't have iron which makes the blood thick.

they make vitamins just for men that don't have iron in them. I never take iron supplements (I'm 40)

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Poplife88 said:

I took them for YEARS...my doc had me start taking them when I was 15 as I was a horrible eater...and I wasn't getting the necessary nutrition. I also used to get sick ALL the time.



Seriously, as soon as I started taking them I definitely felt better...more energy, wasn't getting sick very often, and when I did it wouldn't last long. During my 20s/30s I literally can count on one hand how many times I had a cold. Everyone around me would be sick and I would be the one ok.



So last year my current Dr told me to stop taking them as he felt they were making my blood too thick...enough so that I was prone for blood clots and also as I eat MUCH healthier now, he felt there simply wasn't a need. So for the last year I haven't taken them...and guess what...I am up to 4 colds this year. Other than that I don't really feel any different. I am considering taking them again, as these colds are really getting on my nerves. But now I have to take the over 50 ones (cry ugh, I know...but I am only 40!!) as they don't have iron which makes the blood thick.



They have fish oil? I think that thins the blood (check)
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