I was talking about those people who also claim that he is racist and that it is rude of him to make fun of Kazakhstan, meaning they have absolutely no clue he's actually making fun of America, rather than any Eastern country...

Dave1992 said:

Genesia said:

Wow.

Horrible, innit?

There are loads of people I know who simply said "nah, he's an asshole!", but didn't even know why. Those people were quite stupid, too.

You probably just don't find him funny, because he's too extreme or whatever. But I doubt you'd brush him aside without having properly thought about the whole thing, would you?

The wow was directed at your incredibly rude reply, little boy.

Dave1992 said:

Vendetta1 said:

I guess I'm sad because that shit was not funny to me.

What is going through your head when you see that first thing, him turning around and having Italy on his back with the words "Save Africa" next to it? Absolutely nothing?

How he's making fun of such a serious issue.

Genesia said:

Dave1992 said:

Now why would anybody say that? I don't know you personally, but people who have called Cohen an "asshole" or "arrogant" or whatever have usually been either boring, submissive, humble bores or simply do not get the purpose, intelligence and value of his humour.

Like I said, I don't know you personally, but your "nuff said" suggests that you didn't really think this through or that you simply don't want to take your time explaining why someone is an "asshole" to you.

Please evaluate.

Wow.

That is exactly what I said out loud when I read his reply.

and I totally get what he is trying to accomplish and I still think of him as an asshole.

Boring? No. Submissive? Yes but I fail to see what that has to do with anything.

Isn't there someone you don't think that is funny that others do?

Nay.

He's really not funny to me. My husband thinks he's hilarious.

Genesia said:

Dave1992 said:

Horrible, innit?

There are loads of people I know who simply said "nah, he's an asshole!", but didn't even know why. Those people were quite stupid, too.

You probably just don't find him funny, because he's too extreme or whatever. But I doubt you'd brush him aside without having properly thought about the whole thing, would you?

The wow was directed at your incredibly rude reply, little boy.

Didn't you get the purpose and reason for my reply? Or simply try to understand why it could be funny and sarcastic, regarding the thread and my description of why Cohen's humour is not only funny, but also intelligent and revealing?

Yes, on the surface what I said was extremely rude. But that's boring.

Dave1992 said:

Genesia said:

The wow was directed at your incredibly rude reply, little boy.

Didn't you get the purpose and reason for my reply? Or simply try to understand why it could be funny and sarcastic, regarding the thread and my description of why Cohen's humour is not only funny, but also intelligent and revealing?

Yes, on the surface what I said was extremely rude. But that's boring.

From rude to unintelligible. You're not improving.

Vendetta1 said:

Dave1992 said:

What is going through your head when you see that first thing, him turning around and having Italy on his back with the words "Save Africa" next to it? Absolutely nothing?

How he's making fun of such a serious issue.

You think it's a serious issue that some people (often [white] youths with an economically safe background) talk about how they save Africa, when they don't even know anything about the continent and just do it because it's "in"?

Because that's all he's making fun of.

Many people get over-cautious and a tad bit frightened whenever they hear or read the words "Africa", "black", "racist" or even "racialist" and believe that we are not supposed to laugh about a sentence containing these words. And you know what? Utter bollocks! The day we learn to laugh about "race" is the day we acknowledge that there is none.

But even that's by far not what he is talking about/implying here.

Vendetta1 said:

Genesia said:

Wow.

That is exactly what I said out loud when I read his reply.

and I totally get what he is trying to accomplish and I still think of him as an asshole.

Boring? No. Submissive? Yes but I fail to see what that has to do with anything.

Isn't there someone you don't think that is funny that others do?

But why should he be an asshole? Do you know him personally? If you totally get what he is trying to accomplish, you surely must realise that his purpose and goal is very liberal and full of good intentions.

Dave1992 said:

Vendetta1 said:

How he's making fun of such a serious issue.

You think it's a serious issue that some people (often [white] youths with an economically safe background) talk about how they save Africa, when they don't even know anything about the continent and just do it because it's "in"?

Because that's all he's making fun of.

Many people get over-cautious and a tad bit frightened whenever they hear or read the words "Africa", "black", "racist" or even "racialist" and believe that we are not supposed to laugh about a sentence containing these words. And you know what? Utter bollocks! The day we learn to laugh about "race" is the day we acknowledge that there is none.

But even that's by far not what he is talking about/implying here.

Now you tell us! We should have just laughed at Hitler! (And Bull Connor...and the people who bombed the 16th Street Baptist Church...and...and...and...)

Genesia said:

Dave1992 said:

Didn't you get the purpose and reason for my reply? Or simply try to understand why it could be funny and sarcastic, regarding the thread and my description of why Cohen's humour is not only funny, but also intelligent and revealing?

Yes, on the surface what I said was extremely rude. But that's boring.

From rude to unintelligible. You're not improving.

You call me unintelligible just because you don't understand.

If you tried to think one step ahead, you'd stop messing around on this personal level, calling someone rude or whatever and you would realise that I was doing exactly what Cohen is doing - playing with stereotypes and therewith deconstructing them.

It's kinda disappointing you didn't even get that. And now I really don't mean to be rude. I just thought that at least a bit of a self-ironic banter on my side would loosen things up, but I probably expected too much.

Dave1992 said:

Vendetta1 said:

How he's making fun of such a serious issue.

You think it's a serious issue that some people (often [white] youths with an economically safe background) talk about how they save Africa, when they don't even know anything about the continent and just do it because it's "in"?

Because that's all he's making fun of.

Many people get over-cautious and a tad bit frightened whenever they hear or read the words "Africa", "black", "racist" or even "racialist" and believe that we are not supposed to laugh about a sentence containing these words. And you know what? Utter bollocks! The day we learn to laugh about "race" is the day we acknowledge that there is none.

But even that's by far not what he is talking about/implying here.

Right......go over to P&R and laugh about the threads that put black people under microscopes like we're fucking entertainment.

And you asked the first thing that came to my mind. That was it. Now that I understand fully what he was trying to accomplish, it still isn't funny to me.

To each his own. I am sure there are tons of people who don't think Family Guy, American Dad or South Park is funny.

Dave1992 said:

Genesia said:

From rude to unintelligible. You're not improving.

You call me unintelligible just because you don't understand.

If you tried to think one step ahead, you'd stop messing around on this personal level, calling someone rude or whatever and you would realise that I was doing exactly what Cohen is doing - playing with stereotypes and therewith deconstructing them.

It's kinda disappointing you didn't even get that. And now I really don't mean to be rude. I just thought that at least a bit of a self-ironic banter on my side would loosen things up, but I probably expected too much.

Dude, just quit. You're not winning anyone over to Cohen's side. If we don't get his humor, how are we supposed to know that's what you were doing?

Genesia said:

Dave1992 said:

You think it's a serious issue that some people (often [white] youths with an economically safe background) talk about how they save Africa, when they don't even know anything about the continent and just do it because it's "in"?

Because that's all he's making fun of.

Many people get over-cautious and a tad bit frightened whenever they hear or read the words "Africa", "black", "racist" or even "racialist" and believe that we are not supposed to laugh about a sentence containing these words. And you know what? Utter bollocks! The day we learn to laugh about "race" is the day we acknowledge that there is none.

But even that's by far not what he is talking about/implying here.

Now you tell us! We should have just laughed at Hitler! (And Bull Connor...and the people who bombed the 16th Street Baptist Church...and...and...and...)

We should have? Hitler might have ruined your 21st birthday by surviving the gas attack in 1918, but my generation is (thankfully) so far away from these horrible times, that - yes - we do laugh about Hitler. In fact, there's loads of Hitler jokes. There's also loads of jokes about Jews, told on national television by our Chief Rabbi. Imagine! And all this laughing about horrible things (which is closely associated to this weird thing called "black humour") will help in making sure that noone will ever take a crazy motherfucker like him seriously, ever. When there's a new one coming up with some racist idea, we'll just laugh and say "man, that's old!" and move on.

Dave1992 said:

Genesia said:

Now you tell us! We should have just laughed at Hitler! (And Bull Connor...and the people who bombed the 16th Street Baptist Church...and...and...and...)

We should have? Hitler might have ruined your 21st birthday by surviving the gas attack in 1918, but my generation is (thankfully) so far away from these horrible times, that - yes - we do laugh about Hitler. In fact, there's loads of Hitler jokes. There's also loads of jokes about Jews, told on national television by our Chief Rabbi. Imagine! And all this laughing about horrible things (which is closely associated to this weird thing called "black humour") will help in making sure that noone will ever take a crazy motherfucker like him seriously, ever. When there's a new one coming up with some racist idea, we'll just laugh and say "man, that's old!" and move on.

This shit here is ridiculous.

Vendetta1 said:

Dave1992 said:

We should have? Hitler might have ruined your 21st birthday by surviving the gas attack in 1918, but my generation is (thankfully) so far away from these horrible times, that - yes - we do laugh about Hitler. In fact, there's loads of Hitler jokes. There's also loads of jokes about Jews, told on national television by our Chief Rabbi. Imagine! And all this laughing about horrible things (which is closely associated to this weird thing called "black humour") will help in making sure that noone will ever take a crazy motherfucker like him seriously, ever. When there's a new one coming up with some racist idea, we'll just laugh and say "man, that's old!" and move on.

This shit here is ridiculous.

So basically, there are just as many Europeans who are as ignorant of history as Americans.

I tremble for the future.

Vendetta1 said:

Dave1992 said:

You think it's a serious issue that some people (often [white] youths with an economically safe background) talk about how they save Africa, when they don't even know anything about the continent and just do it because it's "in"?

Because that's all he's making fun of.

Many people get over-cautious and a tad bit frightened whenever they hear or read the words "Africa", "black", "racist" or even "racialist" and believe that we are not supposed to laugh about a sentence containing these words. And you know what? Utter bollocks! The day we learn to laugh about "race" is the day we acknowledge that there is none.

But even that's by far not what he is talking about/implying here.

Right......go over to P&R and laugh about the threads that put black people under microscopes like we're fucking entertainment.

And you asked the first thing that came to my mind. That was it. Now that I understand fully what he was trying to accomplish, it still isn't funny to me.

To each his own. I am sure there are tons of people who don't think Family Guy, American Dad or South Park is funny.

Yes, I would laugh about those people too, because it's fucking ridiculous to make a distinction between one human and another, just because one has darker skin. I would also tell them and explain in an easily comprehensible way why they are ridiculous and why what they are doing is not appropriate.

But I will still laugh at everything race-related with my friends, who have been lucky enough to be able to move on too, like I am.

And I asked exactly because of what the first thing that came to your mind was.

I agree completely. But whenever I understand why something is funny, I usually find it somehow. I must admit, I don't always understand why some dialogues in South Park are considered funny (whereas there are some brilliant ones too) and that's why I don't find them funny. That is basically why I asked.

Vendetta1 said:

Dave1992 said:

You call me unintelligible just because you don't understand.

If you tried to think one step ahead, you'd stop messing around on this personal level, calling someone rude or whatever and you would realise that I was doing exactly what Cohen is doing - playing with stereotypes and therewith deconstructing them.

It's kinda disappointing you didn't even get that. And now I really don't mean to be rude. I just thought that at least a bit of a self-ironic banter on my side would loosen things up, but I probably expected too much.

Dude, just quit. You're not winning anyone over to Cohen's side. If we don't get his humor, how are we supposed to know that's what you were doing?

I am not his manager

Well, like I said, my mistake. I was expecting a bit too much. It doesn't mean you're stupid at all or that I see it as a reason to find you stupid, it just means that you and Genesia sometimes think on completely different levels to me. Just not the same wave-length, which is alright.

Dave1992 said:

Vendetta1 said:

Right......go over to P&R and laugh about the threads that put black people under microscopes like we're fucking entertainment.

And you asked the first thing that came to my mind. That was it. Now that I understand fully what he was trying to accomplish, it still isn't funny to me.

To each his own. I am sure there are tons of people who don't think Family Guy, American Dad or South Park is funny.

Yes, I would laugh about those people too, because it's fucking ridiculous to make a distinction between one human and another, just because one has darker skin. I would also tell them and explain in an easily comprehensible way why they are ridiculous and why what they are doing is not appropriate.

But I will still laugh at everything race-related with my friends, who have been lucky enough to be able to move on too, like I am.

And I asked exactly because of what the first thing that came to your mind was.

I agree completely. But whenever I understand why something is funny, I usually find it somehow. I must admit, I don't always understand why some dialogues in South Park are considered funny (whereas there are some brilliant ones too) and that's why I don't find them funny. That is basically why I asked.

Good for you. Easy to do when it doesn't affect you in the first place.

I'm sorry, but the idea that you should have to work to figure out why something is funny is ridiculous. Something is either funny or it isn't. If I don't find this guy funny, I'm certainly not going to try to figure out why. I'll just find something else to laugh at.

Like this thread. It's damn near absurd now - I figure it'll only take a few more posts 'til it's deathly funny.

Genesia said:

Vendetta1 said:

This shit here is ridiculous.

So basically, there are just as many Europeans who are as ignorant of history as Americans.

I tremble for the future.

Careful. I (and many of my friends) know almost every single important date in the history of fucking mankind.

Your logic is flawed. Our way of coping with and trying to improve the future of the world doesn't make us ignorant.

Lord, your statement just really made me shake my head. With all due respect, ma'am, you really have no clue what I'm actually talking about... now go on calling me "little boy", if it makes you feel good!

Vendetta1 said:

Dave1992 said:

We should have? Hitler might have ruined your 21st birthday by surviving the gas attack in 1918, but my generation is (thankfully) so far away from these horrible times, that - yes - we do laugh about Hitler. In fact, there's loads of Hitler jokes. There's also loads of jokes about Jews, told on national television by our Chief Rabbi. Imagine! And all this laughing about horrible things (which is closely associated to this weird thing called "black humour") will help in making sure that noone will ever take a crazy motherfucker like him seriously, ever. When there's a new one coming up with some racist idea, we'll just laugh and say "man, that's old!" and move on.

This shit here is ridiculous.

No, it's not.

Genesia said:

I'm sorry, but the idea that you should have to work to figure out why something is funny is ridiculous. Something is either funny or it isn't. If I don't find this guy funny, I'm certainly not going to try to figure out why. I'll just find something else to laugh at.

Like this thread. It's damn near absurd now - I figure it'll only take a few more posts 'til it's deathly funny.

I love this motherfucker right here.

Vendetta1 said:

Dave1992 said:

Yes, I would laugh about those people too, because it's fucking ridiculous to make a distinction between one human and another, just because one has darker skin. I would also tell them and explain in an easily comprehensible way why they are ridiculous and why what they are doing is not appropriate.

But I will still laugh at everything race-related with my friends, who have been lucky enough to be able to move on too, like I am.

And I asked exactly because of what the first thing that came to your mind was.

I agree completely. But whenever I understand why something is funny, I usually find it somehow. I must admit, I don't always understand why some dialogues in South Park are considered funny (whereas there are some brilliant ones too) and that's why I don't find them funny. That is basically why I asked.

Good for you. Easy to do when it doesn't affect you in the first place.

Of course it is. I never said it was easy for someone who I directly affected by racism or sexism or whatever

I just said the world would be a better place if everybody could laugh at race/racism and other childish stereotypes. And I'm doing my part.

Dave1992 said:

Genesia said:

Now you tell us! We should have just laughed at Hitler! (And Bull Connor...and the people who bombed the 16th Street Baptist Church...and...and...and...)

We should have? Hitler might have ruined your 21st birthday by surviving the gas attack in 1918, but my generation is (thankfully) so far away from these horrible times, that - yes - we do laugh about Hitler. In fact, there's loads of Hitler jokes. There's also loads of jokes about Jews, told on national television by our Chief Rabbi. Imagine! And all this laughing about horrible things (which is closely associated to this weird thing called "black humour") will help in making sure that noone will ever take a crazy motherfucker like him seriously, ever. When there's a new one coming up with some racist idea, we'll just laugh and say "man, that's old!" and move on.

I don't agree with that at all. The Guggenheim Museum just had a retrospective of Maurizio Cattelan's work, which included a child-sized wax figure with the face of Adolf Hitler, on his knees, in a posture of what could be read as supplication (Him, 2001). I can tell you first-hand that visitors to the museum were not laughing at that shit. There were several people who were deeply offended and angry about it as well as the fact that the work was chosen to be on one of the postcards they were selling in the gift shop.

I sort of get what you're trying to say; it might be nice in theory, but in reality (at least in my experience) Hitler is still a terribly polarizing figure that most people do not find humorous.

Dave1992 said:

Vendetta1 said:

This shit here is ridiculous.

No, it's not.

Yeah, it is. But it's ok because I am not about to tell you what you should think is funny or not. And, I don't think you should waste your time trying to figure out why people don't think this dude is funny.

Genesia said:

I'm sorry, but the idea that you should have to work to figure out why something is funny is ridiculous. Something is either funny or it isn't. If I don't find this guy funny, I'm certainly not going to try to figure out why. I'll just find something else to laugh at.

Like this thread. It's damn near absurd now - I figure it'll only take a few more posts 'til it's deathly funny.

This is the most unintellectual approach to humour I have ever read

Why should I go for a walk in the woods when I can simply google "tree"?

Hm, I thought this was all just a simple little question. I guess it's a character assestment.

Anyway, I liked Ali G, I don't remember much of Borat, and I never saw Bruno, probably never will. He's okay in small doses, but it gets too obvious after a while, which gets boring.

Dave1992 said:

I (and many of my friends) know almost every single important date in the history of fucking mankind.

This post speaks volumes...