Cable sucks in general. Look at TV Land. They used to show a variety of classic television shows. Now, they just recycle the same shows day in and day out:

Andy Griffith

Sanford & Son

All In The Family

Everybody Loves Raymond

Rossanne

There are dozens of 70's and 80's sitcoms that haven't been syndicated in years! Why don't they change their lineup to include some of them?

Oh, and has anyone checked out their original series' "Hot In Cleveland" and "Unhappily Married"? Who writes these scripts? 10 year olds? Those are two of the un-funniest sitcoms I've ever seen!

kitbradley said:

Cable sucks in general. Look at TV Land. They used to show a variety of classic television shows. Now, they just recycle the same shows day in and day out:

Andy Griffith

Sanford & Son

All In The Family

Everybody Loves Raymond

Rossanne

There are dozens of 70's and 80's sitcoms that haven't been syndicated in years! Why don't they change their lineup to include some of them?

Oh, and has anyone checked out their original series' "Hot In Cleveland" and "Unhappily Married"? Who writes these scripts? 10 year olds? Those are two of the un-funniest sitcoms I've ever seen!

i've never watched hot in cleveland but i don't mind looking at Valarie Bertinelli

L4OATheOriginal said:

kitbradley said:

Cable sucks in general. Look at TV Land. They used to show a variety of classic television shows. Now, they just recycle the same shows day in and day out:

Andy Griffith

Sanford & Son

All In The Family

Everybody Loves Raymond

Rossanne

There are dozens of 70's and 80's sitcoms that haven't been syndicated in years! Why don't they change their lineup to include some of them?

Oh, and has anyone checked out their original series' "Hot In Cleveland" and "Unhappily Married"? Who writes these scripts? 10 year olds? Those are two of the un-funniest sitcoms I've ever seen!

i've never watched hot in cleveland but i don't mind looking at Valarie Bertinelli

Season One is available on Netflix. I found that out the other day, when I couldn't find anything else that I wanted to see. Just saying!

They all turned into a bunch of reality show bullslhit.

kitbradley said:

Cable sucks in general. Look at TV Land. They used to show a variety of classic television shows. Now, they just recycle the same shows day in and day out:

Andy Griffith

Sanford & Son

All In The Family

Everybody Loves Raymond

Rossanne

There are dozens of 70's and 80's sitcoms that haven't been syndicated in years! Why don't they change their lineup to include some of them?

Oh, and has anyone checked out their original series' "Hot In Cleveland" and "Unhappily Married"? Who writes these scripts? 10 year olds? Those are two of the un-funniest sitcoms I've ever seen!

Exactly! And don't foget about "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air" and "The Cosby Show" which they have played the living hell out of to the point that I could care less if I ever see those two shows again.

And why take only three or four shows and play multiple episodes of those same shows every day and then reair those same episodes later on that night? There are tons of other shows out there. Play one episode of a show, then play an episode of an entirely different show, followed by another episode of an entirely different show. There should be no reason for more than one episode of a show to be aired in the same day. There are 24 hours in a day. They should either play one episode of 24 entirely different hour long shows a day, 48 different half shows a day, or a combination of both. And why play the same shows every day? Back in the day, Monday night had it's own shows, Tuesday nights had it's own shows, and so on....

The truly great years of MTV were 1983-1995. It was the most fun thing to just put on back then. "The Real World" was the beginning of the end, and set the motion for all the reality shows that followed on every network.

VH1 was very cool from 1995-2002... their biggest hit for my peeps was "Pop-Up Video"

BET was cool to catch the video you couldn't see on MTV. It seemed pretty good through the 90's and up through at least 2002.

L4OATheOriginal said:

kitbradley said:

Cable sucks in general. Look at TV Land. They used to show a variety of classic television shows. Now, they just recycle the same shows day in and day out:

Andy Griffith

Sanford & Son

All In The Family

Everybody Loves Raymond

Rossanne

There are dozens of 70's and 80's sitcoms that haven't been syndicated in years! Why don't they change their lineup to include some of them?

Oh, and has anyone checked out their original series' "Hot In Cleveland" and "Unhappily Married"? Who writes these scripts? 10 year olds? Those are two of the un-funniest sitcoms I've ever seen!

i've never watched hot in cleveland but i don't mind looking at Valarie Bertinelli

I know. That broad never seems to age. She belongs in a wax museum or something.

ufoclub said:

The truly great years of MTV were 1983-1995. It was the most fun thing to just put on back then. "The Real World" was the beginning of the end, and set the motion for all the reality shows that followed on every network.

VH1 was very cool from 1995-2002... their biggest hit for my peeps was "Pop-Up Video"

BET was cool to catch the video you couldn't see on MTV. It seemed pretty good through the 90's and up through at least 2002.

vainandy said:

kitbradley said:

Cable sucks in general. Look at TV Land. They used to show a variety of classic television shows. Now, they just recycle the same shows day in and day out:

Andy Griffith

Sanford & Son

All In The Family

Everybody Loves Raymond

Rossanne

There are dozens of 70's and 80's sitcoms that haven't been syndicated in years! Why don't they change their lineup to include some of them?

Oh, and has anyone checked out their original series' "Hot In Cleveland" and "Unhappily Married"? Who writes these scripts? 10 year olds? Those are two of the un-funniest sitcoms I've ever seen!

Exactly! And don't foget about "The Fresh Prince of Bel Air" and "The Cosby Show" which they have played the living hell out of to the point that I could care less if I ever see those two shows again.

And why take only three or four shows and play multiple episodes of those same shows every day and then reair those same episodes later on that night? There are tons of other shows out there. Play one episode of a show, then play an episode of an entirely different show, followed by another episode of an entirely different show. There should be no reason for more than one episode of a show to be aired in the same day. There are 24 hours in a day. They should either play one episode of 24 entirely different hour long shows a day, 48 different half shows a day, or a combination of both. And why play the same shows every day? Back in the day, Monday night had it's own shows, Tuesday nights had it's own shows, and so on....

How I would love to see them air Alice, One Day At A Time, 227, Designing Women, Mama's Family, Half & Half & Benny Hill. I wouldn't even mind seeing Dynasty, Dallas and Knots Landing. Enough with Andy Griffith already!!! I've sent TV Land a couple of emails in the past complaining about their schedule. And what do they do? Instead of adding shows, they air 4 episodes of Sandford & Son and 4 Episodes of All In the Family back to back every evening, 7 days a week! Don't get me wrong, I love these shows. But, I've seen each and every episode probably hundreds of times over the years (not to mention I have them all uncut on DVD). I know there are licensing issues involved with airing the shows on my wish list but, damn, c'mon!!! They can do better than what they are doing.

alandail said:

Tittypants said:

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They still have a few good dramas, but whatever happened to funny. Shows like Taxi, Cheers, Friends. Maybe there are some out there that I don't watch, but the ones my kids watch simply aren't even remotely as funny as those. Lately I've been watching all of the cheers episodes in order - they stream over netflix. I'm on season 3 now.

As for MTV, I rememer watching that all of the time. I'd swtich to it during a commerical to watch music videos and forget to switch back to what I was watching. That when I first started noticing Prince. It seems like its' been 20 years since you could just turn on MTV and watch videos like that, though.

No there are some good comedies on and animated series in my opinion.

Parks & Recreation

The Office

Happy Endings

Community

Modern Family.

Some great cartoons on now too still,

Simpsons

Bob's Burgers

Family Guy

Cleveland Show

American Dad

South Park.

Dont forget they are re-doing Behind The Music and can't forget Unsing. There are still quality shows around. TVone still plays Soul Train too. MTV2 & BET Soul still exsist. They arent free..but I think it only costs $5 extra. Comcast also have music videos on demand. Even though it's not the same as suprisingly finding a new video / artist you never seen before.

It's hard to find a music video on just at a regulat unless you are on CMT...and we know most people in here dn't listen to that...but I know my partners mom always has it on every weekend and it seems most of the day all they do is play music videos and have tributes to the older country music.

Everybody round here reminicing like we are about to go to the retirement home but really there are some quality shows out.

kitbradley said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

i've never watched hot in cleveland but i don't mind looking at Valarie Bertinelli

I know. That broad never seems to age. She belongs in a wax museum or something.

i'll wax her hehehe

paisleypark4 said:

Everybody round here reminicing like we are about to go to the retirement home

I tell ya what, that's how I feel most of the time. I do spend a lot of time talking about the good ole days and the way things used to be. Meanwhile, I'm turning 40 in the next few days and everything around me makes me feel like I'm ready for the bone yard. When I tell these young folks I just don't dig where they are coming from, they call me old-fashioned and square. I swear, I have no idea what's going on in the world most of the time. I'm hopelessly stuck in the 80's.

kitbradley said:

paisleypark4 said:

I tell ya what, that's how I feel most of the time. I do spend a lot of time talking about the good ole days and the way things used to be. Meanwhile, I'm turning 40 in the next few days and everything around me makes me feel like I'm ready for the bone yard. When I tell these young folks I just don't dig where they are coming from, they call me old-fashioned and square. I swear, I have no idea what's going on in the world most of the time. I'm hopelessly stuck in the 80's.

You're not even at the half way point at 40. I think most of it has to do with my parents ...who dont spend so much time talking about the past so much and they are in their mid 50's.

I like the 80's much much as the next person..but I just try not to dive myself in the past..as much as taking bits and pieces of it for the future. The most impressive older generation are the ones who stay can up to date...except when shit sucks...like 106 & Park Jersey Shore or Housewives of Orange County lol

paisleypark4 said:

kitbradley said:

I tell ya what, that's how I feel most of the time. I do spend a lot of time talking about the good ole days and the way things used to be. Meanwhile, I'm turning 40 in the next few days and everything around me makes me feel like I'm ready for the bone yard. When I tell these young folks I just don't dig where they are coming from, they call me old-fashioned and square. I swear, I have no idea what's going on in the world most of the time. I'm hopelessly stuck in the 80's.

You're not even at the half way point at 40. I think most of it has to do with my parents ...who dont spend so much time talking about the past so much and they are in their mid 50's.

I like the 80's much much as the next person..but I just try not to dive myself in the past..as much as taking bits and pieces of it for the future. The most impressive older generation are the ones who stay can up to date...except when shit sucks...like 106 & Park Jersey Shore or Housewives of Orange County lol

As far as my living in the past, a lot of it has to do with what I see going on around me. The world just seems like such a fucked up place to live in right now. Everyone's running wild, doing whatever the hell they want to do with very little to no concern for others. The economy, people being unhappy and sufferring. Folks recording crap and calling it music. Rich girls whinning about nothing and turning it into a television show. It's just all so depressing. I see very little substance in the world any more. It was probably the same way in the 70s and 80s but I was just too young to realize it back then. I guess that's why I prefer to stay stuck in a decade where, from my vantage point, just about everything was perfect.

[Edited 8/3/11 9:24am]

L4OATheOriginal said:

kitbradley said:

I know. That broad never seems to age. She belongs in a wax museum or something.

i'll wax her hehehe

I'mma tell Beth on you, and yo' ass is gonna be COOKED!!!!!

whistle said:

reality television.

THIS!

And didn't this bullshit get started because idiots went out and bought video cameras, made ass of themsleves on tape, and some TV suit saw $$$ and would give away money for the funniest video? Then came COPS. Americas Most Wanted. And then MTV got the brilliant idea for the Real World which produced all the clones that we live with today.

Any and every body wanted to get on TV.

kitbradley said:

VH1 went to hell around the time they started having a 100 Greatest for everything. This was what 2003-ish. Before then, they still played music on the reglar and this was before celeb-reality.

BET probably around 2004. Up untill that time, videos would be on all day until 106 and Park. You had Rap City, Citas World, Hits from the Streets and a few other video shows. after 106, would usualy be some making a video or a top 10 countdown, than comic view, probably a movie, midnight love and the nmain event BET UNCUT, lol.

MTV was earlier than the others, the late 90s was the beginning, though tthey still played a lot af videos. Maybe around 2001, they had JackAs, Cribs, Pimp My Ride, Diary, Real World, Road Rules and other various non-music TV.

From the Atlantic.com: This

Kurt Loder on MTV's 30th Birthday, Politics, and Music Today

By Leah Carroll

Aug 2 2011, 10:34 AM ET 7

A conversation with the journalist and influential pop-culture newscaster

AP Images 1997

Few faces are more closely affiliated with MTV, the generation-shaping network that turned 30 yesterday, than Kurt Loder. He began his career as a journalist in the U.S. Army, and went on to become a much-lauded writer/editor at Rolling Stone. But he’s best known as a fixture on MTV, beginning in 1988, where he has served as the poker-faced anchor of “The Week In Rock” and “MTV News.” It was in this capacity that Loder delivered the news of Kurt Cobain’s 1994 suicide.

I emailed with Loder recently about a number of topics, including the MTV’s 30th birthday. He currently writes about movies online for Reason and has book of film reviews, The Good, The Bad, and the Godawful, set to be released in November. Our exchange below, which has been very lightly edited for style and clarity:

What are your thoughts on MTV’s 30th anniversary?

It’s remarkable that a commercial enterprise like MTV, grounded as it is in pop culture, has had such a long and successful—and ongoing, obviously—run. Naturally, the channel is very different now from what it started out as. But its audience remains vast. I know there are a lot of people who miss the old days, and who hate the reality-TV trend that MTV did so much to launch. I hate it myself. But consider: The round-the-clock abundance of music videos that once made MTV unique is now available in many, many other venues. And music news—which Rolling Stone had actually pioneered as a serious undertaking—is available near-instantly all over the Web. Like it or not, MTV has evolved. Has there ever been any alternative? In the pop-culture business, the minute you decide to stop changing, you’re already out of date.

I know there are a lot of people who miss the old days, and who hate the reality-TV trend that MTV did so much to launch. I hate it myself.

Did your move from print journalism to MTV seem a natural one? When you reflect on both mediums, how do you think they came together to help form the blog-heavy nature of music and political journalism today?

I guess it seemed natural to the MTV people who called and offered me a job. I suppose my naturally deadpan nature was something of a novelty at the time on TV, a medium so heavily invested in effervescence. And I’m hardly the first to note that the evolution of blog/Twitter culture represents a radical democratization of broadcast media, for better and/or worse.

My generation became aware of politics in large part due to MTV and many of the "socially conscious" popular bands of the time, through moments like when Kurt Cobain kissed Krist Novoselic on...Night Live. Did you make a conscious decision to use a band like Nirvana as an opportunity to talk about issues like gay rights?

I never “used” Nirvana, or any other act, for anything. I think cultural liberalization in the libertarian sense of opposing the suppression of people’s rights is implicit in rock & roll music. And while I think MTV, if it could speak with a corporate voice, would acknowledge that it is also politically liberal—a different thing—it always came down on the “pro” side of individual freedom and irrepressible flamboyance, often to the delight of…not everybody. This was something new in mass broadcast media.

Are there any artistic movements going on today (film, music, etc.) that you feel are particularly exciting or that could capture the zeitgeist in a similar way to the grunge craze of the ‘90s?

I think hip-hop has represented the commercial-music zeitgeist for many years now, especially as a production style. But there is of course a lot of fragmentation. There are now more different kinds of music more readily available, from around the world, than ever before. I also think the spirit of rock & roll—which I guess we can call “freewheeling—is now vividly represented in other creative areas as well, comic books especially.

[Edited 8/3/11 22:26pm]

Cable grew far beyond any reasonably necessary level, so there is now multiple other video channels, even if nobody watches them.

The internet. More specifically, broadband. MOST specifically, YouTube. Being able to watch nearly any video you want without waiting for it made Mtv near pointless.

Mtv and VH1 both show several hours of videos early in the morning. They just don't show any during primetime when they're forcing their "branded" reality and teen dramadies down their viewers throats.

if there were to be a new 24 hour music network, I wonder if it would be popular. I bet it would be if it was formulated like the old MTV, with news breaks about pop music, only music videos, and no other kind of shows. I'd have it on.

I guess something like Itunes and Youtube has taken its place though.

Reality killed the video star.

BET Is now Black Evil Television

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

i'll wax her hehehe

I'mma tell Beth on you, and yo' ass is gonna be COOKED!!!!!

yeah? and i'll tell gail on yo ass

ThreadBare said:

From the Atlantic.com: This

Kurt Loder on MTV's 30th Birthday, Politics, and Music Today

By Leah Carroll

Aug 2 2011, 10:34 AM ET 7

A conversation with the journalist and influential pop-culture newscaster

AP Images 1997

Few faces are more closely affiliated with MTV, the generation-shaping network that turned 30 yesterday, than Kurt Loder. He began his career as a journalist in the U.S. Army, and went on to become a much-lauded writer/editor at Rolling Stone. But he’s best known as a fixture on MTV, beginning in 1988, where he has served as the poker-faced anchor of “The Week In Rock” and “MTV News.” It was in this capacity that Loder delivered the news of Kurt Cobain’s 1994 suicide.

I emailed with Loder recently about a number of topics, including the MTV’s 30th birthday. He currently writes about movies online for Reason and has book of film reviews, The Good, The Bad, and the Godawful, set to be released in November. Our exchange below, which has been very lightly edited for style and clarity:

---

What are your thoughts on MTV’s 30th anniversary?

It’s remarkable that a commercial enterprise like MTV, grounded as it is in pop culture, has had such a long and successful—and ongoing, obviously—run. Naturally, the channel is very different now from what it started out as. But its audience remains vast. I know there are a lot of people who miss the old days, and who hate the reality-TV trend that MTV did so much to launch. I hate it myself. But consider: The round-the-clock abundance of music videos that once made MTV unique is now available in many, many other venues. And music news—which Rolling Stone had actually pioneered as a serious undertaking—is available near-instantly all over the Web. Like it or not, MTV has evolved. Has there ever been any alternative? In the pop-culture business, the minute you decide to stop changing, you’re already out of date.

I know there are a lot of people who miss the old days, and who hate the reality-TV trend that MTV did so much to launch. I hate it myself.

Did your move from print journalism to MTV seem a natural one? When you reflect on both mediums, how do you think they came together to help form the blog-heavy nature of music and political journalism today?

I guess it seemed natural to the MTV people who called and offered me a job. I suppose my naturally deadpan nature was something of a novelty at the time on TV, a medium so heavily invested in effervescence. And I’m hardly the first to note that the evolution of blog/Twitter culture represents a radical democratization of broadcast media, for better and/or worse.

My generation became aware of politics in large part due to MTV and many of the "socially conscious" popular bands of the time, through moments like when Kurt Cobain kissed Krist Novoselic on...Night Live. Did you make a conscious decision to use a band like Nirvana as an opportunity to talk about issues like gay rights?

I never “used” Nirvana, or any other act, for anything. I think cultural liberalization in the libertarian sense of opposing the suppression of people’s rights is implicit in rock & roll music. And while I think MTV, if it could speak with a corporate voice, would acknowledge that it is also politically liberal—a different thing—it always came down on the “pro” side of individual freedom and irrepressible flamboyance, often to the delight of…not everybody. This was something new in mass broadcast media.

Are there any artistic movements going on today (film, music, etc.) that you feel are particularly exciting or that could capture the zeitgeist in a similar way to the grunge craze of the ‘90s?

I think hip-hop has represented the commercial-music zeitgeist for many years now, especially as a production style. But there is of course a lot of fragmentation. There are now more different kinds of music more readily available, from around the world, than ever before. I also think the spirit of rock & roll—which I guess we can call “freewheeling—is now vividly represented in other creative areas as well, comic books especially.

[Edited 8/3/11 22:26pm]

i liked kurt loder to a point, i hated how he mispronounced De la soul as DUH le soul and en vogue as Aawn vogue. but i loved how prince laughed at him about kurt running 4 his life at woodstock 99

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I'mma tell Beth on you, and yo' ass is gonna be COOKED!!!!!

yeah? and i'll tell gail on yo ass

And she could bend a brotha backwards, so that might be the best idea. All right. Truce....for now. *evil laugh*

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

yeah? and i'll tell gail on yo ass

And she could bend a brotha backwards, so that might be the best idea. All right. Truce....for now. *evil laugh*

deal lol