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Harlepolis

Mad Men 5th Season's Return Is Uncertain


http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=1

Fans accustomed to spending their summer Sundays with Don Draper may have to wait a while longer. It looks increasingly likely that the fifth season of “Mad Men,” the three-time Emmy Award-winning AMC series, will not have its debut until late 2011 or early 2012.

Production would normally start around this time for the next season of “Mad Men,” but AMC has not announced a new deal with the studio that makes the show, Lionsgate, nor has that studio announced a new deal with Matthew Weiner, the series’s acclaimed creator.

Mr. Weiner has said he wants the show to continue, and AMC has pledged that it will definitely return, so the delay is largely due to a disagreement about money. As Mr. Weiner told Entertainment Weekly in January, apparently referring to AMC and Lionsgate, “They are fighting over a very lucrative property, and who is going to pay for it to get made; it’s one of the biggest perils of success — everyone wants a piece of it now, and they are fighting over who is gonna get the biggest chunk.”

Money often causes strife between program creators and distributors, but rarely do the negotiations drag out this long.


People involved in the talks suggested this week that one or both deals may be imminent, but that may not be enough to ensure a summer start. Todd Gold, the editor in chief of XfinityTV.com, Comcast’s television news site, said it was becoming clear that the show was “right on the cusp of going one way or the other.”

“By now, the writing staff should be humming along, maybe about a month or more into work for a summer premiere,” he said. “Unless Weiner is secretly manufacturing outlines in preparation of some crazy all-night writing sessions with his staff, it might be time for fans to grow concerned.”

“Mad Men” has always enjoyed an extraordinarily passionate fan base. Last month the sisters Deborah and Roberta Lipp, the makers of a fan Web site for “Mad Men” called Basket of Kisses, promoted a petition calling on AMC and Lionsgate to bring the show back in 2011. But now they are mostly resigned to a 2012 return date.

“Naturally, I’m sad, upset, frustrated and disgruntled,” Deborah Lipp said.

Roberta Lipp added: “The most highly acclaimed show on television and it can’t get back on the air? Unacceptable.”

One question has continued to hover over the negotiations: How many more seasons of “Mad Men” should there be? It is understood that AMC has the rights to “Mad Men” through Season 5 but that it wants to renew the show through at least Season 6, with Mr. Weiner on board. Mr. Weiner, whose contract ended after Season 4, has never definitively answered the how-many-seasons question. He did not respond to a request for an interview this week, but he told Entertainment Weekly in January that “I want the show to go on and on and on until it has worn out its welcome with viewers, and we can’t think of anything more for the characters to do.”

“Mad Men” was held up by negotiations once before, after the second season in October 2008. At the time Variety called it “one of the most protracted negotiations in memory,” and then it was settled by the following January.

The current negotiations started last summer before Season 4 even had its premiere, and they have extended into the spring. AMC retained Jim Jackoway, an entertainment lawyer in Los Angeles, to represent it; he confirmed this week that he remained in AMC’s employ regarding “Mad Men” but could not comment further.

In the meantime “Mad Men” actors like John Slattery, who plays Roger Sterling, are in a bind, expecting that they will be called back to work but unsure when that call will come. While walking the red carpet at a premiere of his new film, “The Adjustment Bureau,” last month, Mr. Slattery remarked to reporters, “I’m looking for a job.”

Mr. Slattery has said in other interviews that Lionsgate has green-lighted the contracts of the “Mad Men” cast for another season. But first scripts need to be written, and there is no indication that writing is under way.

AMC and Lionsgate each declined to answer specific questions about the situation. “Can’t really comment right now,” Kevin Beggs, Lionsgate’s president for television programming and production, said in an e-mail on Monday.

AMC pays more than $2 million per episode for “Mad Men” now, and Lionsgate surely wants a higher fee, since “Mad Men” almost single-handedly built AMC into a home for quality cable dramas, allowing it to command higher subscriber fees from cable and satellite companies.

But AMC is not dependent on “Mad Men” the way it was two years ago, the last time the contracts were renegotiated. It has “Breaking Bad,” another acclaimed drama, coming back this summer, and “The Walking Dead,” which drew more than twice as many viewers as “Mad Men” when it made its debut last fall. The channel held a premiere screening in Los Angeles on Monday for another new drama, “The Killing,” which will start on April 3.

AMC may not have room on its schedule for “Mad Men” until the end of 2011 or early 2012, given that it currently schedules original shows only on Sunday nights. It would seem that the only option for fans until then is to rewatch the fourth season on DVD. It happens to come out next week

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Reply #1 posted 03/23/11 6:10am

JerseyKRS

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they could just show 30 minutes of Christina Hendricks for all I care. drool



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Reply #2 posted 03/23/11 7:53am

CarrieLee

NOOOOO!!! Say it ain't so!!

I just me Don Draper on Thursday...he was so awesome!!

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Reply #3 posted 03/23/11 10:53am

Shyra

See, they make me sick with this shit! They did the same with The Sopranos having to wait 18 friggin months for the next season. That's why I stopped watching it. By the time the new season rolled around, I had forgotten what the hell happened. I completely missed Mad Men's 4th season thinking it would be on On Demand, but no such luck.

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Reply #4 posted 03/23/11 2:53pm

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Harlepolis said:

One question has continued to hover over the negotiations: How many more seasons of “Mad Men” should there be? It is understood that AMC has the rights to “Mad Men” through Season 5 but that it wants to renew the show through at least Season 6, with Mr. Weiner on board. Mr. Weiner, whose contract ended after Season 4, has never definitively answered the how-many-seasons question. He did not respond to a request for an interview this week, but he told Entertainment Weekly in January that “I want the show to go on and on and on until it has worn out its welcome with viewers, and we can’t think of anything more for the characters to do.”

Matt Weiner must have changed his mind from last year.

Sixth season of AMC's 'Mad Men' to be its last, says creator Matt Weiner

By Soraya Roberts

Daily News Staff Writer

Tuesday, April 20, 2010

The sixth season of "Mad Men" may be its last.

The creator of the highly successful AMC series says he will not take the show beyond its sixth year.

Matt Weiner, who is also the series' writer, made the announcement without fanfare at the National Association of Broadcasters in Las Vegas.

In response to a question about how he kept producing great content year after year, Weiner said he did not see that process continuing past a sixth season.

The show is currently filming its fourth season after winning the 2009 Emmy for Outstanding Drama Series.

"Mad Men" follows a prestigious ad agency in New York at the beginning of the 1960s. It stars Jon Hamm as Don Draper.

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Reply #5 posted 03/23/11 3:20pm

NDRU

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Harlepolis said:


AMC pays more than $2 million per episode for “Mad Men” now,

jesus, that is less than Charlie Sheen got

this world is upside down

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Reply #6 posted 03/29/11 10:00am

sextonseven

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UPDATE:

AMC Officially Greenlights Season 5 Of 'Mad Men' For Early 2012 Premiere

By Nellie Andreeva | Tuesday March 29, 2011 @ 8:12am

Despite not having a deal with Mad Men creator-executive producer Matt Weiner yet, AMC is officially moving ahead with a fifth season of the Emmy-winning period drama, exercising its option with the series' producer Lionsgate TV. (The cable network made a similar move two years ago when, along with Lionsgate, it was again embroiled in difficult renegotiations with Weiner.) Because of the protracted talks with Weiner, referred to in a statement by AMC as "key non-cast negotiations," the premiere of Season 5 is being pushed from the summer to early next year. Here is the full statement: "AMC has officially authorized production of season 5 of Mad Men, triggering our option with Lionsgate. While we are getting a later start than in years past due to ongoing, key non-cast negotiations, Mad Men will be back for a fifth season in early 2012."

Weiner is poised to become the highest-paid showrunner on basic cable with a new mega deal that would pay him close to $30 million over two years. But the lengthy negotiations, which have put Season 5's start of production on hold, may have hit a snag in the final stretch. As we reported last night, Weiner is objecting to three things AMC/Lionsgate are asking for: integrating product placement into the series, cutting two minutes from each episode's running time in favor of more commercials, and eliminating/reducing two regular cast members to save money.

http://www.deadline.com/2...-premiere/

I can tolerate extra commercials and even product placement, but firing two regular cast members? No way!

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Reply #7 posted 03/29/11 5:40pm

morningsong

I've lost all ethusiasm for the show. Why can't they just do it like "Six Feet Under" if it's reaching it's end then tie up all loose ends for all the characters and call it a day? Then it'll be a complete classic. It's already getting too fragmented and distant, too many new shows coming on the scene.

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Reply #8 posted 03/30/11 8:21am

sextonseven

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morningsong said:

I've lost all ethusiasm for the show. Why can't they just do it like "Six Feet Under" if it's reaching it's end then tie up all loose ends for all the characters and call it a day? Then it'll be a complete classic. It's already getting too fragmented and distant, too many new shows coming on the scene.

Once the series reaches the end of the 60s, it should end. Disagree on it being fragmented and distant. I loved season four.

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Reply #9 posted 03/30/11 9:39am

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sextonseven said:

but firing two regular cast members? No way!

I read in a few articles earlier that the network did not specify main characters per se, but more actors who only have a few lines every couple of episodes but are signed to a full year's contract. I'm still not liking the sound of that either though as it could pretty much apply to Christina Hendricks, and the thought of that alone is dreadful!

"what's that book where they're all behind the wardrobe?"
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Reply #10 posted 03/30/11 10:12am

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Sally Draper is screwed. confused

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
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Reply #11 posted 03/31/11 9:49pm

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UPDATE:

'Mad Men' creator Matthew Weiner strikes deal to bring hit AMC show back for up to 3 more seasons

BY Bill Hutchinson, Daily News Staff Writer

Thursday, March 31st 2011, 9:18 PM

Don Draper and his "Mad Men" colleagues were back in business Thursday night after the AMC network settled a behind-the-scenes drama with the series' creator.

AMC and Lionsgate Television Group announced a deal to bring Matthew Weiner back to run the Emmy-winning show about the 1960's Madison Ave. ad biz for a fifth, sixth and possibly a seventh season.

"I'm excited to get started on the next chapter of our story," said Weiner, who also signed a simultaneous deal with Lionsgate estimated to be worth $30M.

The lengthy negotiations, however, will push back the start of the show's scheduled fifth season premiere from midsummer to March of next year.

Weiner and AMC had been in a protracted stalemate over the network's demands for product placement and to cut episodes by two minutes to squeeze in more commercials, according to widespread reports.

As a compromise, season premieres and finales will run their usual 47 minutes, but episodes in between will run 45 minutes, Variety magazine reported.

"For everyone involved in the show and its passionate fans, we are thrilled to announce that the series will continue on AMC under the exceptional vision of Matt Weiner," said AMC president Charlie Collier.

"Mad Men" debuted in July 2007 and quickly became one of the hottest shows on television.

It made small-screen history as the only cable series to win the Emmy for Outstanding Drama and the Golden Globe for Best Television Series-Drama for three consecutive years.

http://www.nydailynews.co...up_to.html

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Reply #12 posted 03/31/11 10:00pm

NDRU

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I just started season 4 tonight! woot!

I get nervous for these shows, though. Is it going to suck soon? confused

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Reply #13 posted 04/01/11 7:01am

sextonseven

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NDRU said:

I just started season 4 tonight! woot!

I get nervous for these shows, though. Is it going to suck soon? confused

Season four is VERY different--new office and new looks for some of the characters. It finally felt like the mid-60s.

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Reply #14 posted 04/01/11 7:21am

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I can't believe they are adding another 2 minutes of commercials. Who watches that shit anyway? I've been fast-forwarding through commercials for 5 years now.

I love me some Mad Men!!

"Keep in mind that I'm an artist...and I'm sensitive about my shit."--E. Badu
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Reply #15 posted 04/01/11 7:24am

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MidniteMagnet said:

I can't believe they are adding another 2 minutes of commercials. Who watches that shit anyway? I've been fast-forwarding through commercials for 5 years now.

I love me some Mad Men!!

I NEVER watch scripted shows while they are being broadcast. It's always later on the DVR fast-forwarding through the commercials. nod

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Reply #16 posted 04/01/11 9:29am

NDRU

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sextonseven said:

UPDATE:

AMC Officially Greenlights Season 5 Of 'Mad Men' For Early 2012 Premiere

By Nellie Andreeva | Tuesday March 29, 2011 @ 8:12am

Despite not having a deal with Mad Men creator-executive producer Matt Weiner yet, AMC is officially moving ahead with a fifth season of the Emmy-winning period drama, exercising its option with the series' producer Lionsgate TV. (The cable network made a similar move two years ago when, along with Lionsgate, it was again embroiled in difficult renegotiations with Weiner.) Because of the protracted talks with Weiner, referred to in a statement by AMC as "key non-cast negotiations," the premiere of Season 5 is being pushed from the summer to early next year. Here is the full statement: "AMC has officially authorized production of season 5 of Mad Men, triggering our option with Lionsgate. While we are getting a later start than in years past due to ongoing, key non-cast negotiations, Mad Men will be back for a fifth season in early 2012."

Weiner is poised to become the highest-paid showrunner on basic cable with a new mega deal that would pay him close to $30 million over two years. But the lengthy negotiations, which have put Season 5's start of production on hold, may have hit a snag in the final stretch. As we reported last night, Weiner is objecting to three things AMC/Lionsgate are asking for: integrating product placement into the series, cutting two minutes from each episode's running time in favor of more commercials, and eliminating/reducing two regular cast members to save money.

http://www.deadline.com/2...-premiere/

I can tolerate extra commercials and even product placement, but firing two regular cast members? No way!

the logic is strange though. "this show is so great, we need to make it shorter and get rid of characters!" confuse

Product placement makes some sense at least, that is what the show is about. But Don better not be driving a damn Mercedes!

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Reply #17 posted 04/21/11 10:31pm

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NDRU said:

sextonseven said:

UPDATE:

I can tolerate extra commercials and even product placement, but firing two regular cast members? No way!

the logic is strange though. "this show is so great, we need to make it shorter and get rid of characters!" confuse

Product placement makes some sense at least, that is what the show is about. But Don better not be driving a damn Mercedes!

i hear Don will be driving a Prius. i'm sure they'll make it work.

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