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Thread started 03/29/11 10:32am

uPtoWnNY

Mistress: Steroids Made Barry Bonds Grow...and Shrink

I can't believe this mess is being discussed in federal court.

http://www.nydailynews.co...tears.html

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Reply #1 posted 03/29/11 10:34am

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must... not laugh. must not... laugh smile

^whoa! her testimony is actually not funny, about the aggression and etc. object lesson in why to not use steroids.

[Edited 3/29/11 10:37am]

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Reply #2 posted 03/29/11 10:51am

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I'm not a sports fan so I really have no idea who Barry Bonds is or why this whole thing is important. I seriously would like to know: Why are we wasting tax dollars on this crap?

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Reply #3 posted 03/29/11 11:16am

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Efan said:

I'm not a sports fan so I really have no idea who Barry Bonds is or why this whole thing is important. I seriously would like to know: Why are we wasting tax dollars on this crap?

Barry Bonds, son of a baseball player/manager.

Barry Bonds, stud athelete, spoiled beyond comprehension

Barry Bonds, record setting homer season

Barry Bonds, accused of violating baseball's rules by using steroids.

MLB investigaes steroid use, Congress investigates steroid and drug use in Major League Baseball

Barry Bonds lies to a grand jury investigating alleged steroid use.

Grand jury finds Barry Bonds lied, prosecutor decides to prosecute the case.

Barry Bonds has always denied using steroids but all circumstantial evidence says he did.

Lying to a grand jury in criminal conduct.

Barry Bonds elects to go to trial.

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Reply #4 posted 03/29/11 11:18am

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SUPRMAN said:

Efan said:

I'm not a sports fan so I really have no idea who Barry Bonds is or why this whole thing is important. I seriously would like to know: Why are we wasting tax dollars on this crap?

Barry Bonds, son of a baseball player/manager.

Barry Bonds, stud athelete, spoiled beyond comprehension

Barry Bonds, record setting homer season

Barry Bonds, accused of violating baseball's rules by using steroids.

MLB investigaes steroid use, Congress investigates steroid and drug use in Major League Baseball

Barry Bonds lies to a grand jury investigating alleged steroid use.

Grand jury finds Barry Bonds lied, prosecutor decides to prosecute the case.

Barry Bonds has always denied using steroids but all circumstantial evidence says he did.

Lying to a grand jury in criminal conduct.

Barry Bonds elects to go to trial.

.....................Nobody cares.

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Reply #5 posted 03/29/11 12:02pm

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Reply #6 posted 03/29/11 12:07pm

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Graycap23 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Barry Bonds, son of a baseball player/manager.

Barry Bonds, stud athelete, spoiled beyond comprehension

Barry Bonds, record setting homer season

Barry Bonds, accused of violating baseball's rules by using steroids.

MLB investigaes steroid use, Congress investigates steroid and drug use in Major League Baseball

Barry Bonds lies to a grand jury investigating alleged steroid use.

Grand jury finds Barry Bonds lied, prosecutor decides to prosecute the case.

Barry Bonds has always denied using steroids but all circumstantial evidence says he did.

Lying to a grand jury in criminal conduct.

Barry Bonds elects to go to trial.

.....................Nobody cares.

About which part of that list? I dont care that he's a son of a baseball player, or that he's spoiled.

But I do care about lying to a grand jury.

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[Edited 3/29/11 12:08pm]

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Reply #7 posted 03/29/11 12:20pm

Graycap23

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

.....................Nobody cares.

About which part of that list? I dont care that he's a son of a baseball player, or that he's spoiled.

But I do care about lying to a grand jury.

.

[Edited 3/29/11 12:08pm]

The U.S. should have better thing 2 do with tax payers funds.

They should NOT be involved with baseball regarding these matters.

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Reply #8 posted 03/29/11 1:31pm

SUPRMAN

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Graycap23 said:

RodeoSchro said:

About which part of that list? I dont care that he's a son of a baseball player, or that he's spoiled.

But I do care about lying to a grand jury.

.

[Edited 3/29/11 12:08pm]

The U.S. should have better thing 2 do with tax payers funds.

They should NOT be involved with baseball regarding these matters.

But the trial isn't about baseball.

It's about lying to a grand jury.

About better things to do . . . . Plenty of those.

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Reply #9 posted 03/29/11 1:33pm

Graycap23

SUPRMAN said:

Graycap23 said:

The U.S. should have better thing 2 do with tax payers funds.

They should NOT be involved with baseball regarding these matters.

But the trial isn't about baseball.

It's about lying to a grand jury.

About better things to do . . . . Plenty of those.

U funny.

No baseball = No grand jury.

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Reply #10 posted 03/29/11 1:51pm

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SUPRMAN said:

Efan said:

I'm not a sports fan so I really have no idea who Barry Bonds is or why this whole thing is important. I seriously would like to know: Why are we wasting tax dollars on this crap?

...Congress investigates steroid and drug use in Major League Baseball...

this is the part I don't understand

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Reply #11 posted 03/29/11 3:15pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

I can't believe this mess is being discussed in federal court.

http://www.nydailynews.co...tears.html

I can't get down with all the day to day, hour to hour stuff with this trial. We need to remember that this is the prosecutions side and its their job to make him look as guitly as possible. Even to say things that the judge overrules or dismisses as evidence just to paint Bonds as a bad person in the jury memebers minds. I need to wait until some of the defense evidence starts getting presented until I take all this too seriously. Because living in the Bay Area the coverage is nearly constant and the stuff that's been presented so far is UUUUUUUGly!

Yeah, and don't even get me started on Congress, or any other local, state or Federal government body spending our tax dollars on this. It pisses me off. Chances are likely we'll pay to send Bonds to prison, too.

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Reply #12 posted 03/29/11 3:32pm

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Cerebus said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I can't believe this mess is being discussed in federal court.

http://www.nydailynews.co...tears.html

I can't get down with all the day to day, hour to hour stuff with this trial. We need to remember that this is the prosecutions side and its their job to make him look as guitly as possible. Even to say things that the judge overrules or dismisses as evidence just to paint Bonds as a bad person in the jury memebers minds. I need to wait until some of the defense evidence starts getting presented until I take all this too seriously. Because living in the Bay Area the coverage is nearly constant and the stuff that's been presented so far is UUUUUUUGly!

Yeah, and don't even get me started on Congress, or any other local, state or Federal government body spending our tax dollars on this. It pisses me off. Chances are likely we'll pay to send Bonds to prison, too.

Hmmm

No penalty for lying to obstruct an investigation or lying to a grand jury?

As unfair as Wesley Snipes going to jail for failing to pay taxes? Why should someone go jail for that?

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Reply #13 posted 03/29/11 3:38pm

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NDRU said:

SUPRMAN said:

...Congress investigates steroid and drug use in Major League Baseball...

this is the part I don't understand

06/18/2002 7:56 pm ET
By Barry M. Bloom / MLB.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Several U.S. Senators put pressure on the Major League Baseball Players Association on Tuesday morning to accept some kind of drug testing program that would prohibit the use of steroids and over-the-counter bodybuilding drugs.

That pointed position was elucidated by U.S. Senators Byron Dorgan (D-N.D) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and was directed at players union Executive Director Don Fehr during a two-hour subcommittee hearing investigating the use of steroids in baseball, in particular, and amateur sports, in general.

Noting that the National Basketball Association and the National Football League already have such drug-testing programs, McCain told Fehr and representatives of Major League Baseball and the players that, "We'd like to see an agreement between the (baseball) players and owners, and we want it done in a reasonable period of time."

Bob DuPuy, baseball's president and chief operating officer, sat in the gallery Tuesday and said the hearing put the proper focus on the problem. Baseball players are currently not barred from using steroids or over-the-counter bodybuilding drugs even though use of steroids is prohibited in the U.S. unless prescribed by a physician.

"Everybody in this room, with the exception of one person, (publicly) favors a testing program," said DuPuy, who did not give testimony. "You didn't hear much opposition. There was just one abstention."

DuPuy was speaking about Fehr, who was non-committal in his testimony about reaching such an agreement with the owners during the current collective bargaining sessions that resume in New York on Wednesday. Fehr told the subcommittee that even though use of bodybuilding substances is wrong, "successful collective bargaining is not likely to take place in public, even before a Senate committee."

"There's an issue there, and it's going to have to be dealt with," Fehr said in an interview after the hearing. "We'll bargain an agreement, and we'll see what the agreement is. But I'm not going to get into anything that would come up in bargaining in that regard."

Fehr gave testimony at the hearing along with Rob Manfred, MLB's vice president of labor relations and human resources, and Jerry Colangelo, the managing general partner of MLB's Arizona Diamondbacks and the NBA's Phoenix Suns.

Manfred told the subcommittee that baseball was ready to move forward on unannounced drug-testing of Major League players for steroids three times a year, a program that was implemented in the minor leagues last season. He also said MLB has spent more than $1 million on a minor league drug testing program that provides treatment for first-time offenders and discipline for repeat offenders.

Confidentially is a strict component of that program, Manfred said.

"We made a similar proposal to the union in March on this issue, and they still haven't responded," Manfred said in an interview after the hearing. "Our attention to the issue in baseball speaks for itself."

Colangelo said he was shocked to learn that baseball didn't have a steroid drug-testing program similar to the NBA's when he became owner of the expansion Diamondbacks in 1998. The NBA collectively bargained such a program in 1999. That league also tests for the use of illegal recreational drugs such as marijuana and cocaine.

"It's important that all the players be thrown into the same hopper," Colangelo said in a post-hearing interview. "To put in a program that bans these substances is not only for their individual health, but it's for the health of the industry and the game. It's the credibility. It's the impact on young kids. It's everything you heard in there today."

Steroid use also has serious medical downsides, Dr. Bernard Greisemer told the subcommittee. It elevates the body's testosterone level to increase muscle mass, but the drug can cause strokes, heart and/or liver damage, elevated cholesterol levels and aggressive behavior. Over-the-counter drugs, such as androstenedione, also raise testosterone levels. The Senators were also concerned that baseball address the list of those substances in any mandatory testing program.

"The list of organ systems in young athletes that potentially can suffer adverse effects includes nearly every organ system in the human body," Greisemer said.

The hearing was called by Dorgan upon the insistence of McCain after two ex-players estimated last month in a Sports Illustrated article that about half of all baseball players currently use steroids or some kind of muscle-enhancing drug.

Former third baseman Ken Caminiti told SI that he used steroids while playing for the San Diego Padres in 1996, the year he was named National League Most Valuable Player.

In the same article, Caminiti and former outfielder Chad Curtis said that 50 percent of the players currently in the Major Leagues are using some form of steroids. Jose Canseco, who retired this season, said he would talk about steroid use in an upcoming book about his career.

Dorgan is chairman of the Consumer Affairs, Foreign Commerce and Tourism subcommittee of the Senate Commerce Committee. The subcommittee has legislative jurisdiction from the Senate to oversee sports in the U.S. on both professional and amateur levels.

The subcommittee can make recommendations to the full Senate to adopt new laws or restrictions regarding the sale of over-the-counter bodybuilding drugs. In fact, both Manfred and Fehr urged the Senate to ban such legal over-the-counter drugs as andro, a substance Mark McGwire acknowledged using in 1998, the year he hit 70 home runs to break Roger Maris' 37-year-old record.

[EDITED]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/a...;c_id=null

See also: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/ne...t=timeline


[Edited 3/29/11 15:39pm]

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Reply #14 posted 03/29/11 3:49pm

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yes, I mean I don't understand why they are involved.

Other professions have drug testing (like drivers or machinists) but the government doesn't get involved.

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Reply #15 posted 03/29/11 3:50pm

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SUPRMAN said:

Cerebus said:

I can't get down with all the day to day, hour to hour stuff with this trial. We need to remember that this is the prosecutions side and its their job to make him look as guitly as possible. Even to say things that the judge overrules or dismisses as evidence just to paint Bonds as a bad person in the jury memebers minds. I need to wait until some of the defense evidence starts getting presented until I take all this too seriously. Because living in the Bay Area the coverage is nearly constant and the stuff that's been presented so far is UUUUUUUGly!

Yeah, and don't even get me started on Congress, or any other local, state or Federal government body spending our tax dollars on this. It pisses me off. Chances are likely we'll pay to send Bonds to prison, too.

Hmmm

No penalty for lying to obstruct an investigation or lying to a grand jury?

As unfair as Wesley Snipes going to jail for failing to pay taxes? Why should someone go jail for that?

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying/asking/implying.

IF Bonds is found guilty he should ABSOLUTELY be held to the same letter of the law as any other US citizen when it comes to sentencing. That doesn't mean I can't complain about my tax dollars being used for the investigation and trial, as well as sending and keeping him there if he's guilty. I believe I still have that right in this country.

However, if the US Government hadn't (imo) wasted a lot of time (when they could have been doing something that, ya know, HELPED the average citizen) and taxpayers dollars (which could CLEARLY have been put to better use elsewhere), Bonds testimony would never have been in question (because he would never have testified). And the reason why I'm waiting for the defense is because they don't have to prove that he never took steroids, they have to convince the JURY that Bonds was never aware he was taking steroids, which is all he's ever said in that regard. Semantics? Maybe. But that's still what's happening. So all this dirt being heaped upon Bonds doesn't really matter (for now).

Wesley Snipes didn't pay his taxes, repeatedly. He's not the only person to go to prison or otherwise be penalized for such offenses. I'll admit that I'm not well studied on the finite facts of that case. But I'm pretty sure I've read an interview with Snipes admitting that he screwed up and then still didn't pay them when he was given the chance to do so.

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Reply #16 posted 03/29/11 4:10pm

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it's important cause his cheating ass lied to the grand jury. If he would have just fessed up then, his ass wouldn't be going to prison. he's becoming the scapegoat, I'll agree to that. but i'm just saying...a cheater and out of prison is better than a liar and in prison in my mind.

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Reply #17 posted 03/29/11 4:13pm

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JerseyKRS said:

it's important cause his cheating ass lied to the grand jury. If he would have just fessed up then, his ass wouldn't be going to prison. he's becoming the scapegoat, I'll agree to that. but i'm just saying...a cheater and out of prison is better than a liar and in prison in my mind.

shrug

yeah I agree, though the government has more important things to worry about, it's true he is not even in trouble for his alleged steroid use, he is in trouble for lying in a pretty big government investigatoin.

although...proving that someone is lying is a tricky thing IMO

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Reply #18 posted 03/29/11 4:55pm

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Reagan lied.................

Rumsfield lied..............

Powell lied.................

Bush lied.................but Bonds is on trial. neutral

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Reply #19 posted 03/29/11 5:08pm

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Graycap23 said:

Reagan lied.................

Rumsfield lied..............

Powell lied.................

Bush lied.................but Bonds is on trial. neutral

sounds like his ass is in the wrong business.



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Reply #20 posted 03/29/11 5:10pm

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JerseyKRS said:

Graycap23 said:

Reagan lied.................

Rumsfield lied..............

Powell lied.................

Bush lied.................but Bonds is on trial. neutral

sounds like his ass is in the wrong business.

LOL

Clinton lied and went on trial. but he is not a republican hmmm

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Reply #21 posted 03/29/11 5:26pm

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NDRU said:

yes, I mean I don't understand why they are involved.

Other professions have drug testing (like drivers or machinists) but the government doesn't get involved.

Sure they do.

Safety sensitive jobs are required to test for drugs.

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Reply #22 posted 03/29/11 11:09pm

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JerseyKRS said:

it's important cause his cheating ass lied to the grand jury. If he would have just fessed up then, his ass wouldn't be going to prison. he's becoming the scapegoat, I'll agree to that. but i'm just saying...a cheater and out of prison is better than a liar and in prison in my mind.

shrug

WTF?????? A liar andd a cheater is the same damn thing!!!! if you commit to something, public office, marriage whatever n frikkin break the rules, you lied about being able to handle the commitment!!!! jesus holy christ! ...lol

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How come we cannot have a 'steriod' that makes you bigger then smaller ... hunh, hunh, hunh ... LoL

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