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Graycap23

Cops: Calif doctor gets stuck in chimney, dies

What a dumb way 2 die:

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. — A doctor involved in an "on-again, off-again" relationship apparently tried to force her way into her boyfriend's home by sliding down the chimney, police said Tuesday. Her decomposing body was found there three days later.

FILE - In this 2007 photo, shows Dr. Jacquelyn Kotarac. who involved in an "on-again, off-again" relationship, apparently tried to force her way into her boyfriend's home by sliding down the chimney, police said Tuesday, Aug. 31, 2010. Her decomposing body was found there three days later. (AP photo/The Bakersfield Californian, Felix Adamo) MANDATORY CREDIT, MAGS OUT, NO SALES
Seen through a fence, emergency personnel break down a chimney at a residence in Bakersfield, Calif. to recover the body of a woman that had died inside the chimney on Aug. 30, 2010. A doctor involved in an "on-again, off-again" relationship apparently tried to force her way into her boyfriend's home by sliding down the chimney, police said Tuesday. Her decomposing body was found there three days later. Dr. Jacquelyn Kotarac, 49, first tried to get into the house with a shovel, then climbed a ladder to the roof last Wednesday night, removed the chimney cap and slid feet first down the flue, Bakersfield police Sgt. Mary DeGeare said. (AP photo/The Bakersfield Californian, Henry A. Barrios)
FILE - In this 2007 photo, shows Dr. Jacquelyn Kotarac. who involved in an "on-again, off-again" relationship, apparently tried to force her way into her boyfriend's home by sliding down the chimney, police said Tuesday, Aug. 31, 2010. Her decomposing body was found there three days later. (AP photo/The Bakersfield Californian, Felix Adamo) MANDATORY CREDIT
The house in Bakersfield, Calif., where emergency personnel discovered the body of a woman that had died inside the chimney on Aug. 30, 2010. A doctor involved in an "on-again, off-again" relationship apparently tried to force her way into her boyfriend's home by sliding down the chimney, police said Tuesday. Her decomposing body was found there three days later. Dr. Jacquelyn Kotarac, 49, first tried to get into the house with a shovel, then climbed a ladder to the roof last Wednesday night, removed the chimney cap and slid feet first down the flue, Bakersfield police Sgt. Mary DeGeare said. (AP photo/The Bakersfield Californian, Henry A. Barrios)

a shovel, then climbed a ladder to the roof last Wednesday night, removed the chimney cap and slid feet first down the flue, Bakersfield police Sgt. Mary DeGeare said

http://www.ajc.com/news/n...03563.html

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Reply #1 posted 09/01/10 7:10am

Shorty

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oh gawd!

"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #2 posted 09/01/10 8:05am

Lisa10

eek What a horrible way to die.

Reading this original post felt like groundhog day. lol

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Reply #3 posted 09/01/10 8:08am

Shanti0608

Lisa10 said:

eek What a horrible way to die.

Reading this original post felt like groundhog day. lol

I think she was in an "on again off again" relationship but I am not 100% sure.

lol

Poor lady...that would suck. I wonder why this shit never happens to Santa?

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Reply #4 posted 09/01/10 8:13am

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Man, love will make people do some stupid stuff. You'd think doctors would be a little brighter than the average bear, but no. Poor woman. Rest in peace.

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Reply #5 posted 09/01/10 8:14am

Graycap23

Efan said:

Man, love will make people do some stupid stuff. You'd think doctors would be a little brighter than the average bear, but no. Poor woman. Rest in peace.

Love..............the big illusion.

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Reply #6 posted 09/01/10 8:20am

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Years ago (late 80s or so), they found a human skeleton in a chimney here in Madison. At first, they thought it was a woman because of the clothing found with the body (a paisley dress, point-toed lace-up boots). But after they did an autopsy, they discovered that it was actually a small man who was dressed like a woman.

The mystery has never been solved. The building was close to the University of Wisconsin campus, so they don't know if the guy was a college student who dressed in drag for Halloween, got onto a rooftop and fell down the chimney. Or, on the possibly criminal side, if he was a tranny who was murdered by a sexual partner who expected him to be a woman and then stuffed his body into the chimney.

Some years ago, they did a forensic facial reconstruction, trying to see if the recreated face might help identify the man. But it's still a cold case here.

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Reply #7 posted 09/01/10 8:23am

Lisa10

Shanti0608 said:

Lisa10 said:

eek What a horrible way to die.

Reading this original post felt like groundhog day. lol

I think she was in an "on again off again" relationship but I am not 100% sure.

lol

Poor lady...that would suck. I wonder why this shit never happens to Santa?

lol At first I thought it was me - reading the same bit.

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Reply #8 posted 09/01/10 8:24am

Genesia

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Efan said:

Man, love will make people do some stupid stuff. You'd think doctors would be a little brighter than the average bear, but no. Poor woman. Rest in peace.

That ain't love.

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Reply #9 posted 09/01/10 8:24am

Graycap23

Genesia said:

Efan said:

Man, love will make people do some stupid stuff. You'd think doctors would be a little brighter than the average bear, but no. Poor woman. Rest in peace.

That ain't love.

But Love drove her 2 it...........

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Reply #10 posted 09/01/10 8:25am

Efan

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Genesia said:

Efan said:

Man, love will make people do some stupid stuff. You'd think doctors would be a little brighter than the average bear, but no. Poor woman. Rest in peace.

That ain't love.

Temptation, then? The kinda temptation that'll make ya do thangs.

Really stupid thangs.

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Reply #11 posted 09/01/10 8:26am

Genesia

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Graycap23 said:

Genesia said:

That ain't love.

But Love drove her 2 it...........

Again, that ain't love.

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Reply #12 posted 09/01/10 9:11am

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rolleyes

That's a damn shame.

Ain't no dick on this PLANET(or any other planet lol ) good enough to make me do no shit like that.

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Reply #13 posted 09/01/10 9:26am

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Efan said:

Man, love will make people do some stupid stuff. You'd think doctors would be a little brighter than the average bear, but no. Poor woman. Rest in peace.

Actually the Type A personality that most doctors are tend to have more mental issues, stress issues, neediness issues, narcissistic issues. It seems to me the smarter you are, the more that brain power gets a little wonky. It's like the overactive brain just runs out of smart things to do.

Note that you don't see true retarded people flipping out and shooting people and other dumb shit.

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Reply #14 posted 09/01/10 9:52am

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poor gal. poor guy

[Edited 9/1/10 9:53am]

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Reply #15 posted 09/01/10 9:52am

Graycap23

Genesia said:

Graycap23 said:

But Love drove her 2 it...........

Again, that ain't love.

There are many levels 2 "love" but good & bad.

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Reply #16 posted 09/01/10 9:53am

Genesia

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Graycap23 said:

Genesia said:

Again, that ain't love.

There are many levels 2 "love" but good & bad.

I disagree. True love does not make you self destructive. shrug

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Reply #17 posted 09/01/10 10:02am

Graycap23

Genesia said:

Graycap23 said:

There are many levels 2 "love" but good & bad.

I disagree. True love does not make you self destructive. shrug

In theory u are correct........but people die every day 4 the "other" kind of love.

Prisons are full because of the "other" kind of love.

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Reply #18 posted 09/01/10 10:13am

Genesia

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Graycap23 said:

Genesia said:

I disagree. True love does not make you self destructive. shrug

In theory u are correct........but people die every day 4 the "other" kind of love.

Prisons are full because of the "other" kind of love.

Again, I will not agree that that is love. I won't even stoop to call it love. People might think it is, but it isn't.

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Reply #19 posted 09/01/10 10:15am

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There is something very wrong with this story! My foul play radar is going off like crazy. Yes, I know I watch way too much "Criminal Minds"! giggle

Here's an update from a local website.


http://www.bakersfield.co...gn=synapse

Coroner: Bakersfield doctor suffocated in chimney in accidental death


| Tuesday, Aug 31 2010 11:28 AM

Last Updated Tuesday, Aug 31 2010 07:17 PM

A Bakersfield doctor whose decomposing body was found Saturday in the chimney of her estranged boyfriend’s house died accidentally from being unable to breathe, the coroner’s staff reported Tuesday.

Other new developments in the death of Dr. Jacquelyn Kotarac — who on the night of Wednesday, Aug. 25, went down the chimney to try to get into the house — include that she had an airplane ticket to go to Amsterdam on Friday with the boyfriend, and she arranged earlier on Wednesday night to have a service drive her home from Cafe Med where she had been drinking, police Sgt. Mary DeGeare confirmed.

The chimney was too narrow for a person to get all the way down, police said.

The boyfriend, identified by neighbors and property records as 58-year-old William H. Moodie, the owner of a petroleum engineering company, not only reported Kotarac missing Thursday but also slept in his house Thursday night as Kotarac was stuck, apparently dead in his chimney, DeGeare said. He was never considered a suspect in the case, the sergeant said. eek (Just keep reading!)

Moodie, who left for the trip Friday, did not return a telephone call Tuesday.

The incident began Wednesday at about 10:15 p.m. — some two hours after Kotarac was driven to her home in the Tuscany neighborhood near Lake Ming — when she drove herself to Moodie’s home in the 4300 block of La Mirada, a few blocks east of the Four Points Sheraton Hotel.

Moodie didn’t want to see her and slipped out the back door when she arrived, police said.

Kotarac apparently used a shovel to try to break into the back door, police said. Moodie spent the night elsewhere, police said.

The internal medicine doctor, a 1991 graduate of UCLA Medical School, did not show up Thursday at the San Dimas Street medical office where she worked, police said.

One of her assistants contacted Moodie on Thursday, and both of them searched his house. That’s when the shovel was found as well as her purse and her car, police said.

Moodie and the assistant reported her missing, DeGeare said.

Moodie returned to his home Thursday to prepare for his trip and he spent the night there, DeGeare said.

Another assistant to Kotarac drove her car to Los Angeles that day to update her passport for the trip, the sergeant confirmed.

Police searched the home Friday evening, but also did not find her body or smell any bad odors, DeGeare said.

Following the missing person report, the doctor’s family consulted a psychic who couldn’t feel the doctor’s presence, according to Wayne Wallace, a private investigator. He said he was consulted by the family Saturday to look into Kotarac’s disappearance.

Wallace said he gathered information Saturday but he deferred to police Saturday night after a woman checking on Moodie’s fish tank discovered a foul odor and saw fluids in the fireplace.


Police then discovered a body lodged in the chimney and flue. Police said Kotarac used a ladder to get to the chimney and she removed the cap and slid down the flue feet first.


Bakersfield firefighters dismantled the chimney Saturday night and Sunday morning, the day Kotarac would have turned 50 years old.

Two sisters, one of whom is a nurse, and a friend consulted with Wallace on Saturday, the private investigator said.

Sometime after Kotarac returned home from Cafe Med, where her family said she was a regular visitor, she stopped at a Chevron station and bought cat food, Wallace said.

It is unknown if Kotarac was drunk Wednesday and that part of an autopsy typically isn’t available for weeks.

Wallace said he learned Kotarac sometimes showed up late for work, but every patient he talked to described her as a very good doctor.

She had a pending misdemeanor case in Kern County Superior Court for allegedly not paying a cab driver. A hearing that had been scheduled for Friday was delayed to Oct. 1.

Public records show Kotarac had some financial problems, such as owing back taxes. Wallace said Moodie paid for Kotarac’s airplane ticket.

The medical office where Kotarac worked was closed Monday, but it reportedly reopened Tuesday.

I highlighted the interesting parts. I just want to know what happened to the ladder she used to get up to chimney and why is it that no one saw it, when she was first reported missing? hmmm

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Reply #20 posted 09/01/10 10:21am

Mach

Shanti0608 said:

Lisa10 said:

eek What a horrible way to die.

Reading this original post felt like groundhog day. lol

I think she was in an "on again off again" relationship but I am not 100% sure.

lol

Poor lady...that would suck. I wonder why this shit never happens to Santa?

falloff

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Reply #21 posted 09/01/10 10:24am

Mach

Genesia said:

Graycap23 said:

There are many levels 2 "love" but good & bad.

I disagree. True love does not make you self destructive. shrug

Not in anyway

If anything it makes you make better decisions and take better care of yourself

lol

"love" made her do this = NOT !

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Reply #22 posted 09/01/10 10:25am

Graycap23

Genesia said:

Graycap23 said:

In theory u are correct........but people die every day 4 the "other" kind of love.

Prisons are full because of the "other" kind of love.

Again, I will not agree that that is love. I won't even stoop to call it love. People might think it is, but it isn't.

No argument.......but U can't convince that folks that feel this way that they are NOT in Love.

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Reply #23 posted 09/01/10 11:09am

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Genesia said:

Years ago (late 80s or so), they found a human skeleton in a chimney here in Madison. At first, they thought it was a woman because of the clothing found with the body (a paisley dress, point-toed lace-up boots). But after they did an autopsy, they discovered that it was actually a small man who was dressed like a woman.

The mystery has never been solved. The building was close to the University of Wisconsin campus, so they don't know if the guy was a college student who dressed in drag for Halloween, got onto a rooftop and fell down the chimney. Or, on the possibly criminal side, if he was a tranny who was murdered by a sexual partner who expected him to be a woman and then stuffed his body into the chimney.

Some years ago, they did a forensic facial reconstruction, trying to see if the recreated face might help identify the man. But it's still a cold case here.

Wow that's an interesting story...

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Reply #24 posted 09/01/10 11:15am

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SHOCKADELICA1 said:

rolleyes

That's a damn shame.

Ain't no dick on this PLANET(or any other planet lol ) good enough to make me do no shit like that.

highfive That's the only thing that came to mind as read this shit. No better for her nutty ass. Excuse me while I laugh at this dumb bunny hah!

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Reply #25 posted 09/01/10 11:17am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

There is something very wrong with this story! My foul play radar is going off like crazy. Yes, I know I watch way too much "Criminal Minds"! giggle

Here's an update from a local website.


http://www.bakersfield.co...gn=synapse

Coroner: Bakersfield doctor suffocated in chimney in accidental death


| Tuesday, Aug 31 2010 11:28 AM

Last Updated Tuesday, Aug 31 2010 07:17 PM

A Bakersfield doctor whose decomposing body was found Saturday in the chimney of her estranged boyfriend’s house died accidentally from being unable to breathe, the coroner’s staff reported Tuesday.

Other new developments in the death of Dr. Jacquelyn Kotarac — who on the night of Wednesday, Aug. 25, went down the chimney to try to get into the house — include that she had an airplane ticket to go to Amsterdam on Friday with the boyfriend, and she arranged earlier on Wednesday night to have a service drive her home from Cafe Med where she had been drinking, police Sgt. Mary DeGeare confirmed.

The chimney was too narrow for a person to get all the way down, police said.

The boyfriend, identified by neighbors and property records as 58-year-old William H. Moodie, the owner of a petroleum engineering company, not only reported Kotarac missing Thursday but also slept in his house Thursday night as Kotarac was stuck, apparently dead in his chimney, DeGeare said. He was never considered a suspect in the case, the sergeant said. eek (Just keep reading!)

Moodie, who left for the trip Friday, did not return a telephone call Tuesday.

The incident began Wednesday at about 10:15 p.m. — some two hours after Kotarac was driven to her home in the Tuscany neighborhood near Lake Ming — when she drove herself to Moodie’s home in the 4300 block of La Mirada, a few blocks east of the Four Points Sheraton Hotel.

Moodie didn’t want to see her and slipped out the back door when she arrived, police said.

Kotarac apparently used a shovel to try to break into the back door, police said. Moodie spent the night elsewhere, police said.

The internal medicine doctor, a 1991 graduate of UCLA Medical School, did not show up Thursday at the San Dimas Street medical office where she worked, police said.

One of her assistants contacted Moodie on Thursday, and both of them searched his house. That’s when the shovel was found as well as her purse and her car, police said.

Moodie and the assistant reported her missing, DeGeare said.

Moodie returned to his home Thursday to prepare for his trip and he spent the night there, DeGeare said.

Another assistant to Kotarac drove her car to Los Angeles that day to update her passport for the trip, the sergeant confirmed.

Police searched the home Friday evening, but also did not find her body or smell any bad odors, DeGeare said.

Following the missing person report, the doctor’s family consulted a psychic who couldn’t feel the doctor’s presence, according to Wayne Wallace, a private investigator. He said he was consulted by the family Saturday to look into Kotarac’s disappearance.

Wallace said he gathered information Saturday but he deferred to police Saturday night after a woman checking on Moodie’s fish tank discovered a foul odor and saw fluids in the fireplace.


Police then discovered a body lodged in the chimney and flue. Police said Kotarac used a ladder to get to the chimney and she removed the cap and slid down the flue feet first.


Bakersfield firefighters dismantled the chimney Saturday night and Sunday morning, the day Kotarac would have turned 50 years old.

Two sisters, one of whom is a nurse, and a friend consulted with Wallace on Saturday, the private investigator said.

Sometime after Kotarac returned home from Cafe Med, where her family said she was a regular visitor, she stopped at a Chevron station and bought cat food, Wallace said.

It is unknown if Kotarac was drunk Wednesday and that part of an autopsy typically isn’t available for weeks.

Wallace said he learned Kotarac sometimes showed up late for work, but every patient he talked to described her as a very good doctor.

She had a pending misdemeanor case in Kern County Superior Court for allegedly not paying a cab driver. A hearing that had been scheduled for Friday was delayed to Oct. 1.

Public records show Kotarac had some financial problems, such as owing back taxes. Wallace said Moodie paid for Kotarac’s airplane ticket.

The medical office where Kotarac worked was closed Monday, but it reportedly reopened Tuesday.

I highlighted the interesting parts. I just want to know what happened to the ladder she used to get up to chimney and why is it that no one saw it, when she was first reported missing? hmmm

nod I was also wondering after reading the snippets how they came to the conclusion she climbed in vs. somebody put her ass there.

And where's the boyfriend? Still in a foreign country? hmmm

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MoniGram said:

Genesia said:

Years ago (late 80s or so), they found a human skeleton in a chimney here in Madison. At first, they thought it was a woman because of the clothing found with the body (a paisley dress, point-toed lace-up boots). But after they did an autopsy, they discovered that it was actually a small man who was dressed like a woman.

The mystery has never been solved. The building was close to the University of Wisconsin campus, so they don't know if the guy was a college student who dressed in drag for Halloween, got onto a rooftop and fell down the chimney. Or, on the possibly criminal side, if he was a tranny who was murdered by a sexual partner who expected him to be a woman and then stuffed his body into the chimney.

Some years ago, they did a forensic facial reconstruction, trying to see if the recreated face might help identify the man. But it's still a cold case here.

Wow that's an interesting story...

The saddest thing of all is that nobody seems to have missed him. They tried DNA matching for any possibilities in the missing persons file and came up empty.

It's awful to think that someone could just be gone like that - and nobody who knew him even wondered where he went.

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Reply #27 posted 09/01/10 11:24am

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Genesia said:

MoniGram said:

Wow that's an interesting story...

The saddest thing of all is that nobody seems to have missed him. They tried DNA matching for any possibilities in the missing persons file and came up empty.

It's awful to think that someone could just be gone like that - and nobody who knew him even wondered where he went.

Yeah it is sad...and there are many John/Jane Doe cases out there.

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Reply #28 posted 09/01/10 11:28am

Xibalba

SO let me get this straight, as I'm not 100% sure I got what they were trying to say. She apparently tried to force her way into her boyfriend's home by sliding down the chimney, right?

wink

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Reply #29 posted 09/01/10 3:39pm

kimrachell

but why did she want to get into his house that way? makes me think maybe she was murdered?confused

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