The Sopranos [SPOILER WARNING]

avatar

The Sopranos [SPOILER WARNING]

Just finished The Sopranos. What a show. And what an ending.That's all.

worship

[Edited 8/2/10 8:59am]

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #1 posted 07/31/10 9:26am

butterfli25

avatar

yep.

nod

We all should know that diversity makes for a rich tapestry, and we must understand that all the threads of the tapestry are equal in value no matter what their color.
Maya Angelou

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #2 posted 07/31/10 12:09pm

Number23	Oh aye. Watched all six series over two weeks. Astonishing art, so well written and performed. Paulie Walnuts, man. Paulie fuckin Walnuts.
	- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator

Reply #3 posted 07/31/10 12:11pm

Gunsnhalen

Ow man my favorite show next to The Wire & The X-Files

The writing, acting, directing, music freaking everything was glorious few show's have been or will ever be this good

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

Datdonkeydick- Asherfierce

Gary Hunts Album Isn't That Good- Soulalive

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #4 posted 07/31/10 1:24pm

missfee

avatar

Number23 said:
Oh aye. Watched all six series over two weeks. Astonishing art, so well written and performed. Paulie Walnuts, man. Paulie fuckin Walnuts.

nod My fav was Chrissy though, even though he was a fuck up.

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #5 posted 07/31/10 2:35pm

avatar

****SPOILER*****

So, what's everyone's take on the ending? T dead?

[Edited 7/31/10 14:36pm]

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #6 posted 07/31/10 2:38pm

purpledoveuk	Phishanga said: **SPOILER* So, what's everyone's take on the ending? T dead? [Edited 7/31/10 14:36pm]** Took me awhile to come to terms with it but yeah...the answers are all there as clear as day when you watch it. Absoloutely love the show and no season dipped...superb all through
	- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator

Reply #7 posted 07/31/10 5:12pm

elmer	The alternate ending is on youtube, the camera stays looking across the street at the restaurant after Meadow has gone inside and you hear gunshots. The greatest tv ever imo, the first 4 seasons especially. I love the Pine Barrens episode where Paulie & Chris get lost, and even Tony's dream one. "Hey, no Spanish" "What?" "Oblique!"
	- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator

Reply #8 posted 07/31/10 6:21pm

xlr8r

avatar

Now go watch The Wire

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #9 posted 07/31/10 8:23pm

avatar

The alternate ending is something they chose not to use, so I'm going to ignore it, forever! lol I love the ending they chose because it allows me to believe the family went on living as they were, with Tony having safely pulled through everything falling apart around him. For me, that makes the last couple seasons of the show better. So that's what I'm sticking with.

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #10 posted 07/31/10 9:21pm

bluesbaby

avatar

xlr8r said:

Now go watch The Wire

best show, ever.

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #11 posted 07/31/10 11:59pm

Cerebus said:

It doesn't if you watch it closely I'm afraid...the only difference between the alternative (which I haven't seen) and the actual is that this one isn't so in your face. Sadly Tony can't escape his past and he winds up dead

As for The Wire...season 1 & 2 were good (1 particularly) after that it got boring and I gave up...same with 6 feet under
[Edited 8/1/10 0:01am]

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #12 posted 08/01/10 12:41am

Gunsnhalen	xlr8r said: Now go watch The Wire Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen Datdonkeydick- Asherfierce Gary Hunts Album Isn't That Good- Soulalive
	- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator

Reply #13 posted 08/01/10 1:23am

avatar

purpledoveuk said:
Cerebus said:

The alternate ending is something they chose not to use, so I'm going to ignore it, forever! I love the ending they chose because it allows me to believe the family went on living as they were, with Tony having safely pulled through everything falling apart around him. For me, that makes the last couple seasons of the show better. So that's what I'm sticking with.

It doesn't if you watch it closely I'm afraid...the only difference between the alternative (which I haven't seen) and the actual is that this one isn't so in your face. Sadly Tony can't escape his past and he winds up dead As for The

Really? Because that's not the ending I saw. *shrug*

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #14 posted 08/01/10 1:43am

Cerebus said:

purpledoveuk said:

Cerebus said:

The alternate ending is something they chose not to use, so I'm going to ignore it, forever! I love the ending they chose because it allows me to believe the family went on living as they were, with Tony having safely pulled through everything falling apart around him. For me, that makes the last couple seasons of the show better. So that's what I'm sticking with.

It doesn't if you watch it closely I'm afraid...the only difference between the alternative (which I haven't seen) and the actual is that this one isn't so in your face. Sadly Tony can't escape his past and he winds up dead As for The

Watch it again and it shows a very big hint as to who rid it and also the pattern in high yo see things...the shots go along the route of look at Tony -hear bell - see what agony sees

Now remember his conversation with Bobby about getting whacked where they agree you never know what hit you...it just goes black and silent. All throughout that last scene we see what Tony sees as family etc come through door until we should see Meadow comin through from Tonys view...but just black and silence

Really? Because that's not the ending I saw. *shrug*

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #15 posted 08/01/10 1:51am

avatar

elmer said:

The alternate ending is on youtube, the camera stays looking across the street at the restaurant after Meadow has gone inside and you hear gunshots.

The greatest tv ever imo, the first 4 seasons especially. I love the Pine Barrens episode where Paulie & Chris get lost, and even Tony's dream one.

"Hey, no Spanish"

"What?"

"Oblique!"

Oh really? eek

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #16 posted 08/01/10 1:54am

avatar

purpledoveuk said:
Cerebus said:

The alternate ending is something they chose not to use, so I'm going to ignore it, forever! I love the ending they chose because it allows me to believe the family went on living as they were, with Tony having safely pulled through everything falling apart around him. For me, that makes the last couple seasons of the show better. So that's what I'm sticking with.

It doesn't if you watch it closely I'm afraid...the only difference between the alternative (which I haven't seen) and the actual is that this one isn't so in your face. Sadly Tony can't escape his past and he winds up dead As for The Wire...season 1 & 2 were good (1 particularly) after that it got boring and I gave up...same with 6 feet under [Edited 8/1/10 0:01am]

But who is left to kill him? All his enemies are taken care of, right? I think you could interpret the ending as his life continuing like before, never at peace, always in danger, but not neccessarily killed. I don't know, I just know that it was absolutely brilliant. The way they arranged the scene, all the guys looking at him and then... cut.

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #17 posted 08/01/10 2:08am

Phishanga said:

purpledoveuk said:

Cerebus said:

The alternate ending is something they chose not to use, so I'm going to ignore it, forever! I love the ending they chose because it allows me to believe the family went on living as they were, with Tony having safely pulled through everything falling apart around him. For me, that makes the last couple seasons of the show better. So that's what I'm sticking with.

It doesn't if you watch it closely I'm afraid...the only difference between the alternative (which I haven't seen) and the actual is that this one isn't so in your face. Sadly Tony can't escape his past and he winds up dead As for The Wire...season 1 & 2 were good (1 particularly) after that it got boring and I gave up...same with 6 feet under [Edited 8/1/10 0:01am]

His actions have echoed on more than just the people he's killed. The person who you think could be the potential shooter is wearing a Members Only Jacket... The sane as the guy who hung himself cuz he wasn't allowed out, the wife of whom said they could get Tony whacked by somebody from out of town...the same couple who feature heavily in a scene where Seven Souls is playing...which describes the stages if death/souls leaving the body until blackness. That whole last season explIns the last acne...and it was apparently written that way. It ven implies Paulie eventually dies too...but only implies
[Edited 8/1/10 2:18am]

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #18 posted 08/01/10 10:24am

avatar

Don't stop... believin'....

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #19 posted 08/01/10 11:18am

purpledoveuk	Even the lyrics to that are clever ..."been working hard to get my PHIL" And listen to it again in the scene..where does it stop
	- E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator

Reply #20 posted 08/01/10 11:30am

avatar

lol You're trying WAY too hard. The ending they chose leaves it open to interpretation. David Chase has said as much several time. He's also said he finds it "disgusting" that people who cheered Tony on for so long would suddenly be wishing for his death. Lastly, as has been pointed out, Tony has no enemies that want him dead at that point. I respect that you want to see it a different way, but as I've already stated, I don't and I never will.

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #21 posted 08/01/10 1:18pm

Cerebus said:

FIRST OFF - sorry this is so long and, I'm on an iPhone so please forgive the errors..auto spell check and this new forum setup means um typing virtually blind

What he said was that he found it disgusting that people wanted to SEE a bloody end to Tony. I caught the Sopranos after everybody else too and at first I thought it was open ended but David Chase said all the clues about Tonys ultimate end are in that final season and final scene and the mire I watch it (particularly 1st and last episode) the more final it becomes.

All the talk about a bullet in the back of the head and seeing nothing but blackness...and then they go to all the trouble of creating a very repetitive series if events...shot of Tony -hear the door bell- Tonys P.O.V for a number of seconds...it does this several times until all the family and customers are in and we should see Meadow come through but all we see is blackness and silence. The customers all represent bits of Tonys past and are seeds of who is still left to hold a grudge drug dealers, guys he could frame during his trial....even the Cat is suspected of being somebodys past comng back to haunt them (Adriana) The whole episode goes to great lengths to show that his awareness of things behind him or over his shoukder is impaired (the warehouse meeting, The old folks home)particularly on the side that the bathroom is illustrating that he's vunerable to the guy who goes to the toilet.

So many things - the Seven Souls song pinpoints Meadow as his guardian...but she wasn't there to save him. There's a reason they put the suspicious guy in that jacket,there's a reason this images are shown during the Seven Souls song. The woman I'm implying had a jand in his death as tenge gmfir husband not only says they could hire somebody from out of town to whack Tony the song also says this when she is on screen:
" Second soul, and second one off the sinking ship, is Sekem: Energy, Power, Light. The Director gives the orders, Sekem presses the right buttons"

and there's a reason that, the moment Tony gets happy and let's his guard down I
Itall folds...just like he said it would, just like his coma said it would when he didn't take the chance to get out.

Listen, it's just a programme and if you think Tonys alive and doing time, safe and sound then that's what you take out if it. I think he's paid the ultimate price and , as Dont Stop Believing suggests in that episode...the movie DOESN'T ho on and on.

There's so many interesting theories in the Net too.

Sorry again this us so long - I love the show sonmuch and it's great to find somebody freshet talk about it with

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #22 posted 08/01/10 3:55pm

sermwanderer

avatar

Being of Italian descent, I kinda felt short changed by this amazing show.

Over in the States, if you have Italian heritage you get to be a mobster, have sex with lots of women, strippers etc. Be exceptionally rich, tell people to fuck off, hit them if they annoy you, kill them if they really annoy you, live in a huge house.

fuck, you've got the alternative career of getting fake tanned up and going on Jersey Shore.

My grandad never came to Scotland and joined a secret criminal organisation. No.

He opened a chippie. Cause thats what you do here if yer Italian. that or an ice cream van.

So in short - Italian American - cool, glamorous and hard. Scots-Italian - smell of grease, no so glamorous, and not hard.

“If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists”

- E-mail - orgNote -

http://masterofsopranos.w...f-the-end/

Reply #23 posted 08/01/10 4:48pm

elmer

The ending seems ambiguous, but really it isn't. The whole programme was like a pessimists nightmare of modern life, where everything goes wrong. Tony had to get whacked in the end. You do get the satisfaction that Paulie will go on being Paulie.

This is a great article on the ending, like a fucking masters' thesis on it. Read it, you'll be sold Cerebus.

AJ really got on my nerves in the final season, surely the most annoying character in the show.

[Edited 8/1/10 16:58pm]

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #24 posted 08/01/10 5:10pm

elmer

Phishanga said:

elmer said:

The alternate ending is on youtube, the camera stays looking across the street at the restaurant after Meadow has gone inside and you hear gunshots.

The greatest tv ever imo, the first 4 seasons especially. I love the Pine Barrens episode where Paulie & Chris get lost, and even Tony's dream one.

"Hey, no Spanish"

"What?"

"Oblique!"

Oh really?

It wasn't really alternate, slightly extended I should've said. Apparently they filmed a bunch of endings and the one Chase chose to go with was the most ambiguous.

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #25 posted 08/01/10 5:52pm

missfee

avatar

elmer said:

The ending seems ambiguous, but really it isn't. The whole programme was like a pessimists nightmare of modern life, where everything goes wrong. Tony had to get whacked in the end. You do get the satisfaction that Paulie will go on being Paulie.

This is a great article on the ending, like a fucking masters' thesis on it. Read it, you'll be sold Cerebus.

http://masterofsopranos.w...f-the-end/

AJ really got on my nerves in the final season, surely the most annoying character in the show.

[Edited 8/1/10 16:58pm]

nod You got that right. I thought at least that he was going to start growing balls in some weird way and possibly become the Michael Corleone version of the family, but no......he's still a dumbass dickhead.

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #26 posted 08/01/10 10:02pm

sermwanderer said:

Being of Italian descent, I kinda felt short changed by this amazing show.

fuck, you've got the alternative career of getting fake tanned up and going on Jersey Shore.

My grandad never came to Scotland and joined a secret criminal organisation. No.

He opened a chippie. Cause thats what you do here if yer Italian. that or an ice cream van.

So in short - Italian American - cool, glamorous and hard. Scots-Italian - smell of grease, no so glamorous, and not hard.

Well god bless him and all like him...my fav chippie is owned by an Italian family - Carlo's Catch....loveliest 3 generation family you've ever met of Father , his 2 sons and 1 of their daughters....good looking bunch too

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #27 posted 08/02/10 8:59am

avatar

elmer said:

The ending seems ambiguous, but really it isn't. The whole programme was like a pessimists nightmare of modern life, where everything goes wrong. Tony had to get whacked in the end. You do get the satisfaction that Paulie will go on being Paulie.

This is a great article on the ending, like a fucking masters' thesis on it. Read it, you'll be sold Cerebus.

http://masterofsopranos.w...f-the-end/

AJ really got on my nerves in the final season, surely the most annoying character in the show.

[Edited 8/1/10 16:58pm]

Thanks for that! Will definitely take a look at that.

Too bad I heard about the ending before and knew that Tony "fades to black". Otherwise it would have totally knocked me the F out...

Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right?

- E-mail - orgNote -

Reply #28 posted 08/02/10 9:35am

Phishanga said:

elmer said:

The ending seems ambiguous, but really it isn't. The whole programme was like a pessimists nightmare of modern life, where everything goes wrong. Tony had to get whacked in the end. You do get the satisfaction that Paulie will go on being Paulie.

This is a great article on the ending, like a fucking masters' thesis on it. Read it, you'll be sold Cerebus.

http://masterofsopranos.w...f-the-end/

AJ really got on my nerves in the final season, surely the most annoying character in the show.

[Edited 8/1/10 16:58pm]

Thanks for that! Will definitely take a look at that.

Too bad I heard about the ending before and knew that Tony "fades to black". Otherwise it would have totally knocked me the F out...

I did too but I'd remember what I'd heard wrong...knew it faded but thought he was surrounded in the Bada Bing by another armed crew

- E-mail - orgNote -