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Thread started 03/24/09 12:10pm

Graycap23

FBI breaks up $25 million 'car cloning' ring

TAMPA, Florida (CNN) -- There's probably no way to describe the feeling.


Joe Pirrone's pride and joy, his F350 Super Duty turbo diesel truck, turned out to be a stolen "clone."

One moment, Guiseppe "Joe" Pirrone was on a long weekend at the beach.

The next moment, he found out the pickup that he bought a year ago is stolen, and he is still on the hook for the $27,000 loan.

Stories like Pirrone's are scattered across the country, and Tuesday the FBI announced that it has broken up one of the largest auto theft cases in the U.S.

Capping "Operation Dual Identity," arrest warrants for 17 people were executed in Tampa and Miami, Florida; Chicago, Illinois; and in Mexico City and Guadalajara, Mexico. The suspects were accused of "cloning" vehicles, which is making stolen cars look like legal ones.

The FBI says that the ring was operating in the U.S. for more than 20 years. More than 1,000 vehicles were stolen in Florida, with more than $25 million in losses to consumers and banks.

"Individuals have been victimized at every level, from the average Joe, to the banks, to big companies," said Dave Couvertier, of the FBI's Tampa field office.

Car theft rings clone vehicles by taking license plates, vehicle identification numbers (VIN), and other tags and stickers from a legal car and put them on a stolen vehicle of similar make and model.

"This does not just affect big business. Anyone could become an unwitting victim of this particular scam. It could happen to anyone," said Couvertier.

Pirrone knows how it was done because it happened to him.

Last year, he bought a used 2005 F350 Super Duty turbo diesel pickup to use for his landscape business in Fort Myers, Florida. He bought it off a small used car lot and took out a $27,000 loan from a credit union.

"I had it for about nine months. It was a great truck," he told CNN.

In the fall, Pirrone decided to drive across the state to spend a long weekend in Fort Lauderdale. He was lying on the beach when his father called him to tell him that a detective from the Lee County Sheriff's Office was at his house with a tow truck. Pirrone got back in his car and drove back home immediately.

"I was confused, honestly," he said. "I had to ask the detective for credentials. I didn't believe what was going on."

Pirrone said the detective explained to him that he was the victim of a scam, that he was sold stolen goods.

Left without a truck, Pirrone called the Suncoast Schools Federal Credit Union. He found out that his $536 a month payment would live on after his truck was long gone.

Pirrone said he was able to get a 30-day payment exemption, but was told that he had a signed agreement with the bank, and he was still obligated to pay the loan in full.

"I am making payments on a piece of property that I don't have," Pirrone said. "They can't even repossess it. The bank doesn't have any help to offer me."

The bank is a victim in the car cloning scam as well. Lisa Brock, a spokeswoman for Suncoast Schools Federal Credit Union, told CNN that the company never discusses private information about any of its members.

"It is a police matter, and it's nothing we can make any substantial comment on," she said.

Pirrone has hired an attorney, and he is considering filing a lawsuit against the dealership to get the bank's money back. Pirrone said he was advised by his lawyer not to name the used car lot.

Law enforcement hopes that this is the beginning of the end of the "car cloning" scam. The National Motor Vehicle Information system (NMVTIS) database was implemented in January. It allows state DMVs to share title and registration information.

Cloned vehicles were moved and sold to buyers in 20 states and several countries, often for less than market value, the FBI said.

Many of the vehicles were exchanged for drugs, according to the bureau.

The FBI says that people need to be careful when buying a car independently.

"Folks should be educated enough so that they don't buy a car from a stranger, on the street, or in a back alley somewhere," said the FBI's Dave Couvertier. "And if you're getting it for too good a deal, it should be raising flags."

Like so many others, Pirrone is feeling the economic squeeze. Without a truck, he had to sell his landscaping business, which he had as a side business. He is still working his other job as a restaurant manager.

"It's not a good time for this to happen. I've had hours cut back at work, I'm not making what I used to make."

"I don't know what's real anymore," he said
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Reply #1 posted 03/24/09 12:24pm

BlueZebra

I've heard of high value cars (or parts thereof) being cloned, Ferrari's, Maserati's and the like ... not 27k trucks ... that's new.

They really build those cars to perfection ... that's why you get certificates with high value cars.
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Reply #2 posted 03/24/09 2:57pm

DiamondGlove

BlueZebra said:

that's why you get certificates with high value cars.


And quality.
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Reply #3 posted 03/24/09 4:21pm

BlueZebra

DiamondGlove said:

BlueZebra said:

that's why you get certificates with high value cars.


And quality.


no ... I heard of a guy who supposedly bought a Ferrari at an auction. It was only discovered because during maintenance they saw a screw that wasn't a Ferrari screw. He didn't have a cert and it was taken away with no restitution.

Quality is the same, you need an expert eye to see the difference.
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Reply #4 posted 03/24/09 5:04pm

roodboi

BlueZebra said:

I've heard of high value cars (or parts thereof) being cloned, Ferrari's, Maserati's and the like ... not 27k trucks ... that's new.

They really build those cars to perfection ... that's why you get certificates with high value cars.



not really new, it's been going on for years in this area...trucks especially in the south are at a premium...
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Reply #5 posted 03/24/09 5:09pm

BlueZebra

roodboi said:

BlueZebra said:

I've heard of high value cars (or parts thereof) being cloned, Ferrari's, Maserati's and the like ... not 27k trucks ... that's new.

They really build those cars to perfection ... that's why you get certificates with high value cars.



not really new, it's been going on for years in this area...trucks especially in the south are at a premium...


but do they really clone them or just resell them ?
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Reply #6 posted 03/24/09 5:10pm

RodeoSchro

Classic muscle cars get cloned all the time. You'd better not buy a 'Cuda or Superbird or Corvette or Camaro without hiring a couple of experts that can absolutely verify that your car is what the seller says it is.
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Reply #7 posted 03/24/09 5:18pm

roodboi

BlueZebra said:

roodboi said:




not really new, it's been going on for years in this area...trucks especially in the south are at a premium...


but do they really clone them or just resell them ?


yeah, they've been doing the full deal...switching VINs is the way...the two most prominent on American cars are in the door and on the dash and those generally aren't hard to change if you know what you are doing...there are more located in different places but nobody ever looks for those...it's not nearly as difficult as one might think to access legal VINS to switch them out with...anybody with access to salavge auctions, insurance auctions or repossesions can do it...and believe me, any swinging dick can get access to those...
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