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Printabletackam said: Evvy said: you know what- my comments were a reaction to the fact that people use "you're gay" to downgrade or ruin other peoples reputations- and on the flip side the fact that sometimes gay people are agressive in wanting to be embraced and that makes it seem like either you have to be gay or you have to embrace it- there is no choice if you want to be accepted. and that's what most young folk do- walk around wanting to be "blindly" accepted instead of figuring out who they are and loving it- my opinion is if you don't think homosexuality is the way to go you shouldn't be frowned at either- you shouldn't be considered offensive- everyone has a right to an opinion yes- I do think that everyone should be respected regardless of their sexual orientation- i'm not personally threatened by you- my life is stable- but I can see how someone could be if they are afraid to state their preference and opinion now see if I said straight people are everywhere so get over it- you'd be offended Uh. . . straight people are everywhere. And I don't think any gay people are complaining that there are straight people in the media. I believe you are entirely missing the point. 
Gay people insisting on being "embraced" has nothing to do with an expectation that people BE gay. Just that gay people are allowed to be gay, and have equal rights, and not be threatened or harassed or barred from public life. Basically, to have the same freedoms as you and be left the hell alone. That's all people want. When black folks (and supporters) marched in the 60s, were they asking to be "embraced"? I don't think so. I think they were just asking for equality. Same deal here. I'm pretty sure that young people aren't going to start changing their sexual orientations to be accepted (by the gay minority?  ), because it doesn't WORK that way. If it did, most gay people alive today would have made themselves straight when they were young in order to be accepted. Many tried. They all failed. I think your concern for the youth of America is pretty misplaced.
As far as "if you don't think homosexuality is the way to go you shouldn't be frowned at either- you shouldn't be considered offensive- everyone has a right to an opinion" . . . I guess. What you're saying is, people have the right to be bigoted. And I agree, they do. But they DON'T have the right to impose that on me and my life. They don't have the right to be violent, or to keep me from full civil equality. Gay people will be happy to put down the picket signs and go about our lives just as soon as straight people will stop trying to beat our asses and make laws against us. Really, we've got groceries to buy and laundry to do. Those rainbow flags and feather boas don't wash themselves! as an african american woman i'm offended by the insinuation that I may be a bigot because of my opinion- I hold no intolerance or hatred for homosexuals- it is my belief that you are human first and that humanity should embrace each other on a human level regardless of their outward appearances, however, just as I would not embrace the character of a bigot, perhaps there are things that people do privately that I would neither embrace or adopt in my life. This would go from the foods they ate, to the clothes they wore. My choices and opinions don't carry any hatred for that person- I do however have the right to hate actions that they take in their lives regardless of who they are. If you are a liar - I would hate the fact that you lie- not you as a person. If your actions seperate us, so be it. If I hate bowling- i'm not gonna hang out at the bowling alley with you, etc-. If you don't want to marry me people my skin is brown- that's your choice- I don't necessarily view you as racist- Everyones blood runs red, we all have the same organs- but saying that NO ONE should be discriminated against is relative to your belief system and discrimination takes on different forms- I am totally against violence, and injustice. But yet again if my opinion is "discriminitory"- so is yours. Sometimes people would like to know what the world thinks- yet they are not ready to accept their differences of opinion. Yes- children who are deemed "different" or who consider themselves "odd" don't know which way to go. I've seen the confusion- maybe you have not. LOVE HARD. | |
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Evvy said: tackam said: Uh. . . straight people are everywhere. And I don't think any gay people are complaining that there are straight people in the media. I believe you are entirely missing the point.
Gay people insisting on being "embraced" has nothing to do with an expectation that people BE gay. Just that gay people are allowed to be gay, and have equal rights, and not be threatened or harassed or barred from public life. Basically, to have the same freedoms as you and be left the hell alone. That's all people want. When black folks (and supporters) marched in the 60s, were they asking to be "embraced"? I don't think so. I think they were just asking for equality. Same deal here. I'm pretty sure that young people aren't going to start changing their sexual orientations to be accepted (by the gay minority? ), because it doesn't WORK that way. If it did, most gay people alive today would have made themselves straight when they were young in order to be accepted. Many tried. They all failed. I think your concern for the youth of America is pretty misplaced.
As far as "if you don't think homosexuality is the way to go you shouldn't be frowned at either- you shouldn't be considered offensive- everyone has a right to an opinion" . . . I guess. What you're saying is, people have the right to be bigoted. And I agree, they do. But they DON'T have the right to impose that on me and my life. They don't have the right to be violent, or to keep me from full civil equality. Gay people will be happy to put down the picket signs and go about our lives just as soon as straight people will stop trying to beat our asses and make laws against us. Really, we've got groceries to buy and laundry to do. Those rainbow flags and feather boas don't wash themselves! as an african american woman i'm offended by the insinuation that I may be a bigot because of my opinion- I hold no intolerance or hatred for homosexuals- it is my belief that you are human first and that humanity should embrace each other on a human level regardless of their outward appearances, however, just as I would not embrace the character of a bigot, perhaps there are things that people do privately that I would neither embrace or adopt in my life. This would go from the foods they ate, to the clothes they wore. My choices and opinions don't carry any hatred for that person- I do however have the right to hate actions that they take in their lives regardless of who they are. If you are a liar - I would hate the fact that you lie- not you as a person. If your actions seperate us, so be it. If I hate bowling- i'm not gonna hang out at the bowling alley with you, etc-. If you don't want to marry me people my skin is brown- that's your choice- I don't necessarily view you as racist- Everyones blood runs red, we all have the same organs- but saying that NO ONE should be discriminated against is relative to your belief system and discrimination takes on different forms- I am totally against violence, and injustice. But yet again if my opinion is "discriminitory"- so is yours. Sometimes people would like to know what the world thinks- yet they are not ready to accept their differences of opinion. Yes- children who are deemed "different" or who consider themselves "odd" don't know which way to go. I've seen the confusion- maybe you have not. Great. Glad you're not a bigot. 
As far as your being offended that I would suggest such a thing, I got news for ya: lots of black people are bigoted. It would be great if people who had experienced discrimination were less likely to discriminate against others, but sadly, that's not the case. If you doubt that, look at the percentages of minority voters who voted for Prop 8 in California. So, I'm not gonna tiptoe around you because of your race. Are you really worried that eccentric straight kids are gonna decide to be gay? Because, seriously, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.  People don't choose to be gay any more than you chose to be (presumably) straight. I guess it's conceivable that, in an accepting culture, some people might be more likely to experiment and find the innate boundaries of their attractions. And. . .so what? Who cares? Let them!
Honestly, if you're all cool with the gays, I'm failing to see the problem. "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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Evvy said: now see if I said straight people are everywhere so get over it- you'd be offended well, actually, most queer people grew up hearing variations on that very phrase every day. it's a little something we in the community call "heterocentrism". basically, it's growing up in an environment where everyone just assumes everyone else is straight because, well, you know, "that's the norm". it's being a kid and having your parents and relatives and teachers make references to "one day, when you meet a nice woman and get married and have children" when there's a loud ass voice in your head screaming "BUT THAT'S NOT WHO I AM" - and there's no way to let that voice out of your head because what it's trying to say isn't "normal". it's sitting in sex ed class and, despite all the hoopla and controversy over these classes, they don't mean a damn thing to you because all they're talking about is heterosexual stuff. sure, it's interesting. i guess. and i guess the part where they talk about how important it is to wash your balls is valuable. but this class never told me a damn thing about my sexuality. my "sex ed" was sneaking through 3 books on homosexuality in the town library and hoping nobody would catch me while i was flipping through them. every time i turned on the tv or sat in front of a movie screen or listened to a pop song lyric, i was reminded that straight people were everywhere. it wasn't spelled out as such, but there was no reason to make it a slogan. the phrase was self-evident. society = straight people. queer people were, well...we just don't talk about those people, okay? 
that's the world i grew up in. and if that world has changed since i was coming up, then i really can't see how that's a bad thing. it sucks to have to grow up hiding who you are. if you've never had to do that, you can never understand. and you should feel lucky for that. | |
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Anxiety said: Evvy said: now see if I said straight people are everywhere so get over it- you'd be offended well, actually, most queer people grew up hearing variations on that very phrase every day. it's a little something we in the community call "heterocentrism". basically, it's growing up in an environment where everyone just assumes everyone else is straight because, well, you know, "that's the norm". it's being a kid and having your parents and relatives and teachers make references to "one day, when you meet a nice woman and get married and have children" when there's a loud ass voice in your head screaming "BUT THAT'S NOT WHO I AM" - and there's no way to let that voice out of your head because what it's trying to say isn't "normal". it's sitting in sex ed class and, despite all the hoopla and controversy over these classes, they don't mean a damn thing to you because all they're talking about is heterosexual stuff. sure, it's interesting. i guess. and i guess the part where they talk about how important it is to wash your balls is valuable. but this class never told me a damn thing about my sexuality. my "sex ed" was sneaking through 3 books on homosexuality in the town library and hoping nobody would catch me while i was flipping through them. every time i turned on the tv or sat in front of a movie screen or listened to a pop song lyric, i was reminded that straight people were everywhere. it wasn't spelled out as such, but there was no reason to make it a slogan. the phrase was self-evident. society = straight people. queer people were, well...we just don't talk about those people, okay?
that's the world i grew up in. and if that world has changed since i was coming up, then i really can't see how that's a bad thing. it sucks to have to grow up hiding who you are. if you've never had to do that, you can never understand. and you should feel lucky for that. brother 
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Evvy said: ehuffnsd said: there are only 15 gay characters on primetime this year most are secondary roles. but if you throw in the Bravo Reality Compeitions that balloons the number. only two gay anchors on cable news, Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper. if you don't want see gay people on the news tell the conservatives to stay out of our lives. i think you, evvy, live in some twilight zone where the majority of people don't have a have a negative impact on their lives. when i was at the dorms at USD, one of my neighbors said he's cool with gay people but he wouldn't want a gay couple living next to him because he "wouldn't want to think about what they were doing in their bedroom."  Anderson is gay?yes You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Evvy said: tackam said: You mean no visible homosexual people in the media? Oh, that's easy. Go to any of the maaaaany places in the world where you'll still be, at best, a social outcast and, at worst, murdered, for being gay. In those locations, you still see zero gay presence in the media. Except maybe footage of their stoning, but even then, probably not, cuz who cares about a dead fag? You feel like you're seeing queers everywhere? Guess what: we ARE everywhere. Depending on how urban/progressive your area is, we may be anywhere from 1-20% of the population. And we have a right to be there. And we have a right to see ourselves represented in the media, and in government, and in every area of public life. What's the problem? Why is this threatening? Gay people aren't trying to make you gay. Gay people know that sexual orientation isn't a choice. Queers are just trying to live our lives as full-fledged citizens. If we're occasionally bit loud about it, it's because they daylight feels SO GOOD after centuries in the closet and, well. . . it just makes us feel like singing and dancing and waving rainbows around. M'kay? Cut us a break. As for being offensive, if you correct your thinking so that it's not offensive, then you won't have a problem. Educate yourself. Study the gay rights movement (seeing "Milk" is a good way to start). Get to know some of your faggy neighbors. Embrace diversity. 
Geezus. you know what- my comments were a reaction to the fact that people use "you're gay" to downgrade or ruin other peoples reputations- and on the flip side the fact that sometimes gay people are agressive in wanting to be embraced and that makes it seem like either you have to be gay or you have to embrace it- there is no choice if you want to be accepted. and that's what most young folk do- walk around wanting to be "blindly" accepted instead of figuring out who they are and loving it- my opinion is if you don't think homosexuality is the way to go you shouldn't be frowned at either- you shouldn't be considered offensive- everyone has a right to an opinion yes- I do think that everyone should be respected regardless of their sexual orientation- i'm not personally threatened by you- my life is stable- but I can see how someone could be if they are afraid to state their preference and opinion now see if I said straight people are everywhere so get over it- you'd be offended you are not correct. i do not use my point of view to force you live your life in a certain style. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Evvy said: Anderson is gay?yes Anderson admitted he's gay or is this another rumor like Tom Cruise? | |
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ehuffnsd said: Evvy said: Anderson is gay?yes just like the sun is bright and unicorns are delicious, anderson cooper is queer, queer, queer as a catfart.  | |
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...and one last post from me on this topic then i'm done.
when i think about people who have a hard time conceptualizing and accepting the LGBT community as a valid, vibrant, worthy and productive part of the larger society, i might not have the best words to respond but i also can't help but think whitney houston put it better than i ever could: 
and that is all i've got.  [Edited 12/1/08 14:42pm] | |
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DesireeNevermind said: ehuffnsd said: yes Anderson admitted he's gay or is this another rumor like Tom Cruise? it's not a rumor nor has he offically stated that he is gay. He has stated he will not answer the question because he wants to report on the news and not be the news. He along with Jodi Foster apperaed on the Glass Closet Issue of the either the Advocate or Out and he made no comment against it. I can see how it would be beneifical for him to come out, I can understand where it would be a negative affect as well. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Anxiety said: ehuffnsd said: yes just like the sun is bright and unicorns are delicious, anderson cooper is queer, queer, queer as a catfart. That man is just about the prettiest thing I've ever seen. "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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tackam said: Anxiety said: just like the sun is bright and unicorns are delicious, anderson cooper is queer, queer, queer as a catfart. That man is just about the prettiest thing I've ever seen. didja hear about the woman who got his face tattooed on one of her calves?  | |
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ehuffnsd said: DesireeNevermind said: Anderson admitted he's gay or is this another rumor like Tom Cruise? it's not a rumor nor has he offically stated that he is gay. He has stated he will not answer the question because he wants to report on the news and not be the news. He along with Jodi Foster apperaed on the Glass Closet Issue of the either the Advocate or Out and he made no comment against it. I can see how it would be beneifical for him to come out, I can understand where it would be a negative affect as well. wow!!! i guess if ur straight ur not ashamed to admit it in a predominately straight world whereas if ur gay you might think twice. Plus with his high stature as a television journalist he most certainly would become the news.  Now I know why he likes Real Housewives on Bravo.
He and Jodi ought to claim their bisexual then everybody's happy  sort of  but I thought Jodi had a thing with Russel Crowe back in the day and she's got those boys...somebody be her baby daddy! she said the pops was active in their child rearing some interviews back. Gosh I hate being late on the whose gay today news | |
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BSK3478 said: tackam said: That man is just about the prettiest thing I've ever seen. didja hear about the woman who got his face tattooed on one of her calves? NO. SHUT UP. Rilly? "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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tackam said: BSK3478 said: didja hear about the woman who got his face tattooed on one of her calves? NO. SHUT UP. Rilly? ya rly. it was a while ago, but all this talk about anderson reminded me of it. | |
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honestly I do think it strange in this day and age, that so many folks have such strange ideas about sexuality and if you don't feel you know enough about it, go read up on it, or ask someone, before spouting misformed ideas as fact. Really.
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BSK3478 said: tackam said: NO. SHUT UP. Rilly? ya rly. it was a while ago, but all this talk about anderson reminded me of it.Dood, it doesn't even look like him!  "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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tackam said: BSK3478 said: Dood, it doesn't even look like him! i know, it looks like a zombie version of anderson cooper!  | |
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BSK3478 said: tackam said: Dood, it doesn't even look like him! i know, it looks like a zombie version of anderson cooper! Anderson sayz: DO NOT WANT  "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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tackam said: BSK3478 said: i know, it looks like a zombie version of anderson cooper! Anderson sayz: DO NOT WANT Girlz all like, "I can get a tattoo of Zombie You if I want, yer not teh boss of me!"  "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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DesireeNevermind said: ehuffnsd said: it's not a rumor nor has he offically stated that he is gay. He has stated he will not answer the question because he wants to report on the news and not be the news. He along with Jodi Foster apperaed on the Glass Closet Issue of the either the Advocate or Out and he made no comment against it. I can see how it would be beneifical for him to come out, I can understand where it would be a negative affect as well. wow!!! i guess if ur straight ur not ashamed to admit it in a predominately straight world whereas if ur gay you might think twice. Plus with his high stature as a television journalist he most certainly would become the news. Now I know why he likes Real Housewives on Bravo.
He and Jodi ought to claim their bisexual then everybody's happy sort of but I thought Jodi had a thing with Russel Crowe back in the day and she's got those boys...somebody be her baby daddy! she said the pops was active in their child rearing some interviews back. Gosh I hate being late on the whose gay today news i've seen many an orger paint a picture of being gay, that i'm always like where is that world. As some who has and always be obviously gay, it's not the walk in the park people try to tell me that it is. i can understand coop trying to keep things from blowing up in his face... i wish i at times it was easier for me to just blend in sometimes. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ZombieKitten said: honestly I do think it strange in this day and age, that so many folks have such strange ideas about sexuality
and if you don't feel you know enough about it, go read up on it, or ask someone, before spouting misformed ideas as fact. Really.
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ZombieKitten said: honestly I do think it strange in this day and age, that so many folks have such strange ideas about sexuality
and if you don't feel you know enough about it, go read up on it, or ask someone, before spouting misformed ideas as fact. Really.
 "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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ehuffnsd said: DesireeNevermind said: wow!!! i guess if ur straight ur not ashamed to admit it in a predominately straight world whereas if ur gay you might think twice. Plus with his high stature as a television journalist he most certainly would become the news. Now I know why he likes Real Housewives on Bravo.
He and Jodi ought to claim their bisexual then everybody's happy sort of but I thought Jodi had a thing with Russel Crowe back in the day and she's got those boys...somebody be her baby daddy! she said the pops was active in their child rearing some interviews back. Gosh I hate being late on the whose gay today news i've seen many an orger paint a picture of being gay, that i'm always like where is that world. As some who has and always be obviously gay, it's not the walk in the park people try to tell me that it is. i can understand coop trying to keep things from blowing up in his face... i wish i at times it was easier for me to just blend in sometimes. Perhaps it just depends on where you live and who you associate with. Anderson being a high profile journalist and growing up in that Vanderbilt family with all that money he probably is too conservative for the liberal gays. Maybe he feels more comfortable playing it straight so to speak. He plays straight very well I must say. I had no idea of his homosexuality but thought it strange that he was a Real Housewives fan. Not too many straight men would be attracted to all that drama about women and their spending habits unless they were in it for the bikini shots which I don't think Anderson is. It could be that how comes across is just how he really is. Maybe he's just a nerd in a suit...a gay nerd in a suit | |
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DesireeNevermind said: ehuffnsd said: i've seen many an orger paint a picture of being gay, that i'm always like where is that world. As some who has and always be obviously gay, it's not the walk in the park people try to tell me that it is. i can understand coop trying to keep things from blowing up in his face... i wish i at times it was easier for me to just blend in sometimes. Perhaps it just depends on where you live and who you associate with. Anderson being a high profile journalist and growing up in that Vanderbilt family with all that money he probably is too conservative for the liberal gays. Maybe he feels more comfortable playing it straight so to speak. He plays straight very well I must say. I had no idea of his homosexuality but thought it strange that he was a Real Housewives fan. Not too many straight men would be attracted to all that drama about women and their spending habits unless they were in it for the bikini shots which I don't think Anderson is. It could be that how comes across is just how he really is. Maybe he's just a nerd in a suit...a gay nerd in a suit some people just get lucky i guess. i was pegged as gay from the day i was born. The guy who took over as the drama teacher my senior year and is straight, who i just got in contact with on facebook, on the first we met told me he saw me becoming a drag queen. whereas i know a guy who was an army ranger had to convice his family that he was gay because they thought he was just pulling some joke off on them. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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you spelled everybody wrong, and the longer this thread is on the first page, I have to try and decipher the slang. It's very hard.  | |
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JerseyKRS said: you spelled everybody wrong, and the longer this thread is on the first page, I have to try and decipher the slang. It's very hard.
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