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Thread started 04/30/08 10:22am

BobGeorge67

Org Comic Book Fans- An old hero returns from the dead...

After sacrificing himself during the events of the original Crisis, the Silver Age Flash (Barry Allen) returns today in the last panel of "DC Universe #0".


http://www.nydailynews.co...titialskip

Damned comic companies & their death/resurrection "special" events...
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Reply #1 posted 04/30/08 10:45am

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That sucks. Totally lame. It seems that the only lasting effect of Crisis is that it ruined the Legion of Superheroes forever. Other than that, it was pointless.
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Reply #2 posted 04/30/08 11:07am

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I'm not at all surprised. C'mon, it's comics.
How many times has Jean Grey come back from the dead?

And with DC, they recently brought Jason Todd (Robin 2) back from the dead, so is Barry Allen so far fetched?
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Reply #3 posted 04/30/08 11:09am

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not to pick nits, but barry allen is the silver age flash...jay garrick, the golden age flash.

nobody stays dead at the big 2, get used to it. 25 years is a long time to stay dead in comics. that said, i think this could lead to great things. the whole flash franchise has really suffered these past couple of years. in the hands of geoff johns (who could make surgeon general's warnings exciting) and grant morrison, the flash could be an epic for our time...
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Reply #4 posted 04/30/08 11:28am

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So glad I'm not into the Superhero Comics.

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Reply #5 posted 04/30/08 11:33am

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peedub said:

not to pick nits, but barry allen is the silver age flash...jay garrick, the golden age flash.

nobody stays dead at the big 2, get used to it. 25 years is a long time to stay dead in comics. that said, i think this could lead to great things. the whole flash franchise has really suffered these past couple of years. in the hands of geoff johns (who could make surgeon general's warnings exciting) and grant morrison, the flash could be an epic for our time...
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I stand corrected... I'm getting older Peedub & sometimes I get my precious metals mixed-up lol

As much as I loved Barry back in the old days, I must admit that I am saddened to see him coming back. In my opinion, it cheapens the value of his original sacrifice.
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Reply #6 posted 04/30/08 11:35am

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ButterscotchPimp said:

I'm not at all surprised. C'mon, it's comics.
How many times has Jean Grey come back from the dead?

And with DC, they recently brought Jason Todd (Robin 2) back from the dead, so is Barry Allen so far fetched?

It isn't far fetched. However, there are 2 characters that I didn't want to see brought back:
Barry Allen - His death was an itegral part of the post-Crisis DC universe.
Uncle Ben - His death is the whole foundation of Spiderman's crime fighting career
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Reply #7 posted 04/30/08 11:37am

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ButterscotchPimp said:

I'm not at all surprised. C'mon, it's comics.
How many times has Jean Grey come back from the dead?

And with DC, they recently brought Jason Todd (Robin 2) back from the dead, so is Barry Allen so far fetched?


Jean Grey is the Phoenix so she's supposed to be resurrected every few years.

The biggest surprise this year was Captain Marvel actually is still dead. No time travel hooey or anything. Marvel fooled me. lol
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Reply #8 posted 04/30/08 11:51am

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peedub said:

nobody stays dead at the big 2, get used to it. 25 years is a long time to stay dead in comics.


Sorry, but I think that's a cop-out. I hate when people give comics a pass with "they're just comic books." Negating deaths and playing fast and loose with everything just diminishes the stories and ultimately drives readers away; there's no way to develop any emotional investment and everything gets cheapened. Just my two cents on it, though; I do agree with you that Johns and Morrison could tell some excellent stories.
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Reply #9 posted 04/30/08 12:02pm

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Twiki said:


Sorry, but I think that's a cop-out. I hate when people give comics a pass with "they're just comic books." Negating deaths and playing fast and loose with everything just diminishes the stories and ultimately drives readers away; there's no way to develop any emotional investment and everything gets cheapened. Just my two cents on it, though; I do agree with you that Johns and Morrison could tell some excellent stories.


Well said Twiki...

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Reply #10 posted 04/30/08 12:15pm

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BobGeorge67 said:

Twiki said:


Sorry, but I think that's a cop-out. I hate when people give comics a pass with "they're just comic books." Negating deaths and playing fast and loose with everything just diminishes the stories and ultimately drives readers away; there's no way to develop any emotional investment and everything gets cheapened. Just my two cents on it, though; I do agree with you that Johns and Morrison could tell some excellent stories.


Well said Twiki...

bidi-bidi-bidi



Just to clarify, i never said i LIKED it. I'm just not surprised when it happens. I have a LOT more respect when they let a lot of time pass before resurrecting a character like Jason Todd or Barry Allen, rather than when they kill off someone that you KNOW they're really not going to kill off (Superman, Batman, Steve Rogers is ANYONE buying the fact that Captain America's going to stay dead for any length of time?)
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Reply #11 posted 04/30/08 12:21pm

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Twiki said:


Sorry, but I think that's a cop-out. I hate when people give comics a pass with "they're just comic books." Negating deaths and playing fast and loose with everything just diminishes the stories and ultimately drives readers away; there's no way to develop any emotional investment and everything gets cheapened. Just my two cents on it, though; I do agree with you that Johns and Morrison could tell some excellent stories.


25 years isn't fast, though. and geoff johns and grant morrison are anything but loose (fast and loose, in my opinion, would be the killing of the new gods just so they could be re-imagined/re-interpretted for a new generation[what a travesty]). i'm sure this will be done as well as it can be...
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Reply #12 posted 04/30/08 12:41pm

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All good. The Flash deserves a comeback.
"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #13 posted 04/30/08 12:58pm

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Giovanni777 said:

All good. The Flash deserves a comeback.


Personally, I'd rather see Wally West as the Flash. Barry Allen was a snooze.
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Reply #14 posted 04/30/08 1:03pm

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Twiki said:

Giovanni777 said:

All good. The Flash deserves a comeback.


Personally, I'd rather see Wally West as the Flash. Barry Allen was a snooze.


Nope. I grew up on the original.
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Reply #15 posted 04/30/08 1:03pm

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I liked this Flash love


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Reply #16 posted 04/30/08 1:05pm

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Comic books are awful. They always ruin characters by going to increasingly drastic lengths to pull in new readers.

Destroying the old Gotham City? Give me a break. Now I hear they're even going to kill off BRUCE WAYNE (for a year or so until he's inevitably resurrected).

Comic books are a joke. You can't emotionally invest in them.
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Reply #17 posted 04/30/08 1:15pm

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Twiki said:

peedub said:

nobody stays dead at the big 2, get used to it. 25 years is a long time to stay dead in comics.


Sorry, but I think that's a cop-out. I hate when people give comics a pass with "they're just comic books." Negating deaths and playing fast and loose with everything just diminishes the stories and ultimately drives readers away; there's no way to develop any emotional investment and everything gets cheapened. Just my two cents on it, though; I do agree with you that Johns and Morrison could tell some excellent stories.



Exactly. That's why I stopped collecting Marvel in the early '90s. The back of the dust jacket to the "Death of Captain America" hardback book was simply hilarious: 'Where were you when America lost one of its greatest heroes' (or something like that).

Steve Rogers will be brought back. And it will be in some stupid ass way like they brought back the original Red Skull ie capturing his soul in a jar or something and reinserting it into a new body.

I'm still waiting for all the villains Scourge killed off in the late '80s to suddenly come back.
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Reply #18 posted 04/30/08 1:22pm

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PurpleKnight said:

Comic books are awful. They always ruin characters by going to increasingly drastic lengths to pull in new readers.

Destroying the old Gotham City? Give me a break. Now I hear they're even going to kill off BRUCE WAYNE (for a year or so until he's inevitably resurrected).

Comic books are a joke. You can't emotionally invest in them.


I hadn't heard that about Bruce Wayne. Ugh. Didn't they learn their lesson with that whole Azrael mess?

You're right about all the crap they pull to attract new readers and drive away old ones. The only good comics I find these days are indies or lesser-known books, or even miniseries that contain a beginning, middle, and end. It's fun to occasionally pick up a superhero book from the big two--a couple issues read randomly here and there can be okay. But anything more than that just drives home the fact that you can't possibly get connected to the books in any way.
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Reply #19 posted 04/30/08 5:38pm

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The only death/resurrection I've semi liked was Eben from 30 Days of Night as it was a good story to begin with and come on his a vampire razz
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