Supernova said:

interesting rebuttal to 100% facts..about this "Pre-Op Transexual" who is going to be dropped by Epic ( or sign to a nothing contract)

I actually have a feeling Epic will drop him.. who wants to spend $40-60 Million to only sell 1.6 Million albums.. and ALL the headaches of a "Boy Lover"?

* I feel the only reason Epic and others spent ALL this money to "fix" MJ's Career is because THEY OWN ALL his Hits.. & Back Catalog of Music Material.. and IF THEY want to make money on it (with the public) in the future.. they can't destroy him by "telling the truth".. or just having him "Lay" out there and have EVERYONE use their Brains of what MJ is about in his Personal Life so they used some "public relations" to brainwash much of the public ( they had PR working on MJ since 1999.. and trying to figure when can we drop this new album ( it has been in the can since early 1999).. Good Job!! Guys.. you did something that surprised me.. you got him around 370,000 sold first week which was a #1 album.

* IF you notice also.. right when MJ's Latest Album was #1.. Epic released ALL Micheal Jackson Re-Issue "New versions" of Thriller and others.. SO they can ride that wave .. because "they" feel this is the last harrah..


so I feel knowing Public Relations.. and how most of this Industry works.. he will be dropped, if I had to take a guess...

*Plus BAD MOUTHING Tommy Matola head of SONY about a month ago.. instead of "Thanking him" for "fixing" this (digusting man who should be in jail)..career

what does this EGO driven scumbag do.. BLAME HIM?? for poor sales of this latest album?? what an ungreatful scum-bag


~ the truth is MJ is NOT even the best Jackson.. Janet is 100% better and the only "dance/singer" who is a "musican".. she writes from her life.. learns ALL new dance steps.. sings LIVE at concerts for most of it...and has had more then 2 albums.. EVERYONE of Janet's albums (since her father Joe was fired as her manager) IS GREAT!!

She is better then ALL these "fake" Icons
MJ
Madonna
* all these young hacks ripping her off..

Janet you are a true talent.. and puts her time in.. and you get the respect here at "Tha Org".. from this Prince Fan!

MJ.. you should check your no talent ego at the door with that "Tommy Matola Bashing".. because you should have really been MOONWALKING your way to a Jail Cell for "Child Rape"

be greatful you are not in jail for something you did.. and That "The Media" moved on when OJ Simpson killed his wife.

Yawn....MJ is just an entertainer while Prince is a musician. This is a fact that will NEVER change no matter what we write or don't write.

MJ is ovah!

I have heard that MJ claims "written, arranged, produced...
credits...but would it be too far out of line to suggest that such crediting can also be bought.

Mikey Bought the Beatles Catalouge out from under his "friend".

Mikey bought the "case closed" status of his accusers.

I believe that the $30million production fees include the purchasing of musical works outright from the true composer.


Not being much of an MJ fan...I would be interested to know if MJ was credited with songwriting on his cd's that were pre-Thriller?? Thriller???

Just a hunch. but, hell, I could be wrong.....
there is a first time for everything!!! j/k

Life Sexy u all

One of Michael's numerous lies is that he has vitiligo. Even members of his own family have shot that lie down. Vitiligo is a real disease, and if Michael really had it, he would probably be doing what Michael J. Fox is doing for Parkinson's disease. He would be fighting for more research and donating millions for a cure. And he'd be doing it very publicy since MJ can't do anything generous without first announcing it to the planet.
Michael's color comes from numerous skin bleachings, most of which took place during his long absence between the Thriller and Bad albums. If you've ever known anyone with vitiligo, and I do, it's clear MJ doesn't have this. He told this lie during the interview with Oprah knowing there would be people stupid enough to believe it.
As for the pedophile story, through his own actions, Michael Jackson confirmed the truth of the allegations by marrying Lisa Marie Presley right after he paid off the accuser. He might as well have tatooed guilty on his forehead. For years he traveled the world with some young boy by his side, then right after the lawsuit is settled he's got Lisa Marie by his side? Come on! Michael's own damage control proved his guilt.
Then he has to pay a woman millions of dollars to have two kids for him. Kids that may or may not be his biologically. And what message does he send to his kids? Not only does daddy hate his own image, by bleaching his five year old sons hair, he's not too happy with his son's image either.
Compared to MJ, Prince is a picture of normalcy. Prince is a brilliant musician, respected by those who don't depend on chart positions and record sales to dictate their opinions. He is FAR more talented and creative than Michael Jackson will ever be and best of all, he doesn't look like Skeletor.

Here we go another debate about Prince and Michael Jackson LOL. If I had to choose I would pick Prince because u cannot compare a tour de force (that is Prince) to a showman (MJ). Sure some of the music Prince has released has been dodgy (eg. Rave was forgettable!) but overall he has been more musically consistent, and along with Hendrix, Sly, Parliment and Earth Wind & Fire he's albums along with the various live bootlegs I have, are a constant fixture in my cd player etc. Also I really dig The Rainbow Children (despite all the JW references)....IMO it was a very brave album to make.

I have mixed feelings towards Micahel Jackson, on one hand:

1. I liked the Jackson 5/The Jackson music. To me they were the best boy band period!
2. I thought Off The Wall, Thriller and BAD were good albums. The songs, production and MJ's vocals were exceptional.
3. I don't buy into those allegations.....I've read into both sides of the story, and I still think he was innocent. Children do lie..especially when it comes to money etc! If MJ really did those things...why didn't they file charges? why did they take the money? Had that been my child I want MJ either rotting in jail or dead if he did those things they alleged!


However, the things I don't like:

1. His constant need to have cosmetic surgery. I think even though its been widely known that he's had vitilgo since the early 80s and he can't help that.....but he has completly destroyed his looks and I think its his own damm fault. He was beautiful the way he was and didn't need to do all that shit. 2 nose jobs my ass....more like 2 dozen!

2. His constant whinging about the press picking on him....sure sometimes its unfair but when he started planting stories about himself (eg. the oxgen chamber etc) in the tabloids during the mid 80s.....its like the boy who cried wolf...its hard to feel sorry for him cause he started all that shit.

3. Both Dangerous, HIStory are crap.....his diction was way off and the songs lack soul. Invincible was an improvement especially to up-temp tracks....but he needed someone like Quincy to cut the fat from the meat (eg. cut out the drippy ballads). Overall the album had too many cooks in the kitchen and not enough broth.

4. His KOP bullshit....Ever since Thriller MJ has surrounded himself with yes-men who won't tell him the truth (that he is acting like an idiot etc)and as a result has contributed to the decline in his music, how the public percieves him, and decisions he has been making of late. Don't get me wrong he is talented, but just like I hated how Elvis was labelled The King of Rock 'n'Roll,I find this title to be so pretentious!


To the person who orignally started this post I don't think its a good idea for u to generalise that all Prince fans diss MJ (not everyone here hates him....some like myself don't like some of the things he has done to himself....just like some of the things Prince has done), while making assumptions that Prince hasn't made any impact in the music biz over the last decade....that is a load of bull! Over the last 8 years Prince has addressed in various interviews and on his website how the major record labels have duped their artists eg. by denying them their master recording etc and how corrpt both radio and televison is....why is it that MTV will support
Britney to the hilt....yet ignore artists like
Chaka Khan because she don't fit the so-called critera!. Sure some of the things Prince has done have been confusing (writing slave on his face, his babbling golden parashute speech at the Soul Train awards) and he ain't no saint himself (not crediting Wendy and Lisa for Purple Rain etc) but at least he has created an awareness about the pros and cons of the music biz, which hopefully will help artists to make decisions about their careers.

fonkywonder said:

great post!

To locarts I hate to tell u this but just because MJ has fucked up his career doesn't make janet better artist. MJ in his hey day J5 days to Thriller) had more talent that his sister. Don't get me wrong I prefer her to those clones out there (Britney, Samantha Mumba etc) but do u seriously think she would have made it own her own if she wasn't a Jackson? Sure its an achievement to establish a name for herself, and has moved with the times (though I wish she'd stop sampling)....but the girl is like Mac Donalds....add all the ingredients and hey presto all singing and dancing diva:

1. Famous last name
2. Cutting edge producers (Jam & Lewis)
3. Cheorgraphers (Paula Abdul, Tina Landon)
4. Cosmetic surgery to look more glamourous.

She had help along the way....and by no means is she a saint (after all there's still that rumour that's been around since 86 that she had a child with James DeBarge, and got one of her relatives to look after it while she persued her singing career....and she has already lied about her marriage to that pathetic scrub Rene Elizondo and now they are gonna have a divorce showdown in May....along with the lawsuits by their chef that was filed a couple of years ago concerning perscription drugs www.eonline.com.....check out the celebrity courthouse section). The only reason that she don't gets constantly bashed by the media is because she is press freindly, and that MJ's behaviour and freaky appearance overshadows everything that she does!

seriously & not to diss him ,when I think about what mj has done to his face, I believe that he has suffered a lot in his past ( rape?)

Oops www.eonline.com


Sorry if that post was harsh...I do like janet....but I get so riled whenever someone puts her on a pedstal in order to bash Michael....just like if somone was to say that MJ can do no wrong or Prince can do no wrong. I've read several books on him (in particular DMSR )when he has hurt ppl (his treatment towards Vanity 6, The Time, Jill Jones etc) and even though I love his music....I ain't gonna suga coat things.....these artists that we look up to have flaws...their human and I don't think its right to treat them like gods!

To jnoel, MJ is a product of what happened to him as a child star....when he was no longer cute little Michael Jackson from the Jackson 5 he was told that his career was finished and he was blamed by his own family when their sales were on the decline. The father was a bully who beat the shit out of his kids if they got a dance steop wrong, basically told MJ that he was ugly and teased him about his nose.....his nick name in the family was Big Nos....and ever since then MJ developed an inferiory complex kwown as Body Dismorphic Disorder (which Oprah thinks MJ has) the mind set is similar to anoreixa the person in their own mind thinks they are ugly....when they are not. Some ppl suffer from depression, become anti-social while others turn to cosmetic surgery. That's his vice....some ppl turn to drugs or alcohol MJ is addicted to surgery and its getting to the point where he now has suffered a major deformity.....didn't u watch his 30th Aniversary speical and he had trouble moving his lips?....and didn't u notice how he hid his face in YRMW video? Its gotten to the point that its interfearing with his performances...and I bet its the reason he's hardly promoted his new album! Where's the video for Butterflies?

Like Marvin Gaye (who also fucked himself up with drugs), Michael came from a dysfunctional family which happen to be in showbiz, in a industry that chews up and spits out anyone who isn't strong and doen't'conform (u just have to watch True Hollywood stories or Inside the Music to see how fame can totally messed ppl up). Out with the old, in with the new! But u know what if MJ could seek out plastic surgeon....he could have seek out professional counselling! I have empathy after reading that book about MJ (Sequence and Shades)....but still he had the resources to seek help...u know what I mean?

It's really sad, maybe if he had less fans & (real) friends?...& a psychotherapy instead of vampire-surgeons....

fonkywonder said:[quote]However, the things I don't like:

1. His constant need to have cosmetic surgery. I think even though its been widely known that he's had vitilgo since the early 80s and he can't help that.....but he has completly destroyed his looks and I think its his own damm fault. He was beautiful the way he was and didn't need to do all that shit. 2 nose jobs my ass....more like 2 dozen!

2. His constant whinging about the press picking on him....sure sometimes its unfair but when he started planting stories about himself (eg. the oxgen chamber etc) in the tabloids during the mid 80s.....its like the boy who cried wolf...its hard to feel sorry for him cause he started all that shit.

3. Both Dangerous, HIStory are crap.....his diction was way off and the songs lack soul. Invincible was an improvement especially to up-temp tracks....but he needed someone like Quincy to cut the fat from the meat (eg. cut out the drippy ballads). Overall the album had too many cooks in the kitchen and not enough broth.

4. His KOP bullshit....Ever since Thriller MJ has surrounded himself with yes-men who won't tell him the truth (that he is acting like an idiot etc)and as a result has contributed to the decline in his music, how the public percieves him, and decisions he has been making of late. Don't get me wrong he is talented, but just like I hated how Elvis was labelled The King of Rock 'n'Roll,I find this title to be so pretentious! [quote]

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I thought of another reason:


5. MJ's increase reliance to lip sync. I was raised funk music I've seen live performances from James Brown to Parilaiment and even rare footage J5/Jackson/MJ live in concert and on tv and it really annoys that these days he can't sing live (eg his pathetic appearance at the DC concerts for Sept 11, lip syncing to Man in the Mirror). Back in da day MJ was a fiece performer...(when he was on Ed Sullivan singing Who's Loving You showed was awesome and he was like 12)....kind of like a cross between Jackie Wilson, Frankie Lymon and James Brown and now he resorting to lip syncing (AMAs in 95, and some of his HIStory concerts etc). Someone raised the point that MJ couldn't do what Prince has done....perform without the special effects...that is total bullishit he has done so in the past....eg, singing Ben at the Oscars, The Jackson Family Variety Show in the 70s etc....its just that alot of ppl here down remember or weren't around at that time when it was all about the music....where there wasn't MTV and MJ and his bros had to appear on various tv show and performe live. Today MJ is stuck in this mindset that everything needs to have speical effects (but that what most artists today are doing .....looking for the bigger, better presentation).....when the truth be told that all he had to do was go back to the basics of what made good in the first place and maybe he would have had to struggle to get his credibitly back! At one point U2 were in danger of having their concert effects overshadow their music.....but on their last tour they went back to thier roots...and Prince is now doing the same thing.

jnoel said:

That's the problem, when Michael become famous at a very young age.....when ya da man, selling alot of records, winning everyone wants to kiss your ass and not tell u the truth when your messing up. Why didn't Quincy, Diana Ross, Berry Gordy, Barry White etc convince MJ that he didn't need any surgery, or that some of the things he was doing makes him a target for ridicule and vulnerable to opportunists out to get him?

A similar thing is happening to Whitney Houston....it so obvious that she has a major drug problem and married to a wife beater and drug addict aka Bobby "I haven't had a hit in years" Brown...yet everyone is acting like everything is OK. She looked like the walking dead on that MJ 30th aniversary show.

Vitiligo is the reason he wears the face mask and the fedora and the shades. You can't be exposed to sunlight or else it'll just make your condition worse, so the face mask covers his lower face, and the fedora shades the upper. If the naysayers bothered to do some research, they'd discover that vitiligo makes your skin colour un-even. It starts out as a few pale white blotches on the skin, and gradually increases, and you have to even it out with the majority colour. The pale blotches have practically taken over now, so he's had treatment to even out the black blotches which are in the minority, I've seen the pictures, where he's sweating in concert, and you can see he visibly has it.

Prince fans tend to be not a nice group of people. You'd think with all he sings about, he'd attract an open-minded kind of demographic. Most people on this board however, are lacking in any kind of respect for someone with an opposing opinion. I think Michael Jackson posesses more talent than Prince. I'm not wrong, you're not right... it's my OPINION. And the majority of people (non-Prince fans) would probably agree with me. You don't keep having number 1 albums after thirty years through fluke. You don't get the greats such as Carlos Santana and Fred Estaire praising you if you're nothing more than a flash-in-the-pan. Prince would kill to have written MJ's Whatever Happens with Carlos Santana. Butterflies displays a higher and lower range than any Prince track. And Prince has never written a track as sincere and touching as Speechless. This is MY OPINION. Every bit as valid as yours. Until you learn to respect that, then please refrain from replying to my posts.

And to the person who attacked MJ for lip-syncing...

What about Prince's performance of The Greatest Romance on TOTP back in 99? Or his performance of Baby Knows on The Late Lounge? Blatantly miming to playback, and he wasn't even dancing to those tracks...

Michael has lip-synched, a side to him which I'm not too keen on. But we all know he can cut it live. Just look at the Madison Square Garden show last year, the entire Jackson's set was live and the best I've heard him in years. When Prince can reach a note as high as Michael's during 'I'll Be There', then and only then, will I rate Prince in the same league as Michael vocally.

it's funny I remember Quincy Jones saying something like that the Thriller video was the Citizen Kane of the music video & MJ is now like the main character of this movie, alone in his Xanadu-Neverland, I hope Prince will not end this way...

No self respecting music fan should diss artists or human beings for that matter on their appearance. It really annoys me that so many people diss other people.And to the person who wrote the first message: You are as much dissing us by saying those stupid things about Prince. Personally I think Michael Jackson is a great artist, and I would never diss him, though I can laugh about jokes about him. Is that wrong? I don't think so because I can also laugh about Prince jokes and I know for a fact that the man is full of self-mockery himself "Prince?! Ain't that a bitch! That skinny MF with the high voice?!"
Let's not get to serious, unless it's about the music itself.

2dawn said:

Any1 who pays 4 silence, or pays 4 their problems 2 go away. This person has problems. Or this person is guilty!! 2 prove that I didn't molest a child..I'd eat dog shit 4 the rest of my life. Not pay them $46 million. And have the nerve 2 go on t.v. please..who do I look like?? yesterdays fool?? Besides do u really think MJ isn't some type of child molester?? I mean 4 god sakes...he makes it seem that way. I lost all faith when he paid the family off.
MJ have u had ur + sign 2day..get a life.

MattyJam said:[quote]Vitiligo is the reason he wears the face mask and the fedora and the shades. You can't be exposed to sunlight or else it'll just make your condition worse, so the face mask covers his lower face, and the fedora shades the upper. If the naysayers bothered to do some research, they'd discover that vitiligo makes your skin colour un-even. It starts out as a few pale white blotches on the skin, and gradually increases, and you have to even it out with the majority colour. The pale blotches have practically taken over now, so he's had treatment to even out the black blotches which are in the minority, I've seen the pictures, where he's sweating in concert, and you can see he visibly has it.


Those songs u mention from Invincible are the ones I like especially Butterflies....but u got to admit The Lost Children is weak....he can do so much better than that. His strength is his funk songs not sappy lets save the world ones. As far as saying that Prince ain't sincere....that's not true....just listen to Sign'0'Times, Purple Rain, 4 The Tears In Your Eyes and Another Lonely Christmas, Nothing Compares to U, God etc to hear how sincere and touching he can be. He doesn't always sing about sex!

As far as you saying that Prince fans are not a nice group I disagree...becaue I feel that your lumping us all into one group....I frequent a number of Prince clubs (eg on Yahoo) and u get a wide range of attitudes towards Michael. Sure there are haters out there who bash MJ and any other artist that is compared to Prince, but there some of them who love MJ while,other like myself have more of a balanced view of him.....just like there are some MJ fans who hate, love or have mixed views about Prince. Instead of sayin "Prince fans" why don't ya say some Prince fans. I don't like everything P does etc and I'm not afraid to say so...eg. Graffi Bridge and Under the Cherry Moon were a total waste of film! The same goes with MJ or any other performer.

christophertracy1986 said:

What kind of family takes the money and not file criminal charges? No they filed a civil suit (something that is never done in real child abuse cases!....its aways criminal and then down the road civil)...cause the aim of that family was to legally extort money from MJ.


Sure child abuse shouldn't be taken lightly....but I work in Family Law and the things I've seen and read would make your head spin....there have been alot of cases where ppl have been framed for this type of thing....ended up in jail, and then years later found out that they were innocent.. Children have been known to lie about these things, whether its for their own gain or being coxed by a parent especially in cases involving custody and child support! The press only reported one side of the story....but it wasn't until I read about the background of that family and read that "Was Michael Jackson Framed?" GQ article which is available on the net that it convinced me that MJ was set up. Also that 6 month investigation and grand jury came up with nothing....it was bascially that boy (who had been seeing a couselling since he was 10!) word against MJ! This is the same kid who claimed that MJ molested Sean Lennon, Macauly Calkin.. which ALL turned out to be lies! The only thing Michael is guilty of is having poor judgement in ppl! He's had paternity suits filed against him since Thriller! It was only a matter of time before someone thought of something evil like this!

Is anyone aware that the Chandliers tried to sue him again in 95 cause they claimed he slandered them during the PTL interview and the HIStory album (yet they still didn't file criminal charges!)....that got thrown out of court! but of course the press never followed that up did they!

Even if MJ went to court it would be a circus and there is no way he would get a fair hearing and even if he won, there would still be ppl out there who would say "he got off cause he got fancy lawyers shit". Like Evan Chandlier said on that tape...."they are in a win-win situation"

If I ever meet Jarvis Cocker I'm gonna shake his hand.

How can you say that most prince fans are not nice people when the very topic of your post is "To the sad,bitter Prince fan" in bold letters. That itself is a diss and assuming people do not respect MJ at all and for anything he has done. As far as this disease, well ok lets say some of us may not know all of the facts. However one fact remains..... nobody on the planet looks like Michael Jackson. Aside from his skin, what about his nose lips and the outfit he refuses to change since the early eightys. I also ? your intergrity. If you are such a fan, why do you care what we think? I dont go afther MJ fans boasting about Prince and his talent? What do you get from this? Further more the one thing I am agreable with is Prince's character. He may not be a angel himself like fans/fams try to act because he diss MJ himself with sly remarks he made during a interview with Chris Rock.

You really have a short memory my friend (lol).....
You keep talking about MJ on this forum, everytime his name is mentionned you appear, moron... and your comments are always the most hateful ones.

You like it or not Mj is part of music history, it's no offence to Prince to like or praise MJ, he's in the biz since 69 (even before)...

This topic will make me realize one important thing: 90% of Prince fans HATE MJ and that really makes me sad, because i'm a big fan of the 2 of them...Poor me!!!
I can clearly understand you don't like him, but i'll never accept the blindness, the virulence, the nastiness, the stupidity,and the intolerance of some of your comments. Why do some people here take it so personnal when it comes to MJ?!!That's strange, no?!

Like i said before: Forget the man, if he's not your cup of tea...leave him alone, at least!!!

LOCOARTS said:"This is THE ONLY TIME I will give my views on this NO TALENT Michael Jackson.. "The King of POOP""

You really have a short memory my friend (lol).....
You keep talking about MJ on this forum, everytime his name is mentionned you appear, moron... and your comments are always the most hateful ones.
This one for you!!!!!

MattyJam said:

LOLOL!!!! and Insanity is the reason he hates being Black, massacred his face & sucks off little kids. WTF???

Dude, why are you here???? The Org is no place for you, my friend. Got to nevernever land & suck on Mikey's dick (if you're young enough)...

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Elodie & feel4U2k2: I'm SO feeling your posts, word for bloody word...

who is Michael Jackson???

If you want to discuss Michael Jackson, why not visit one of his 'hugely active' (not) communities on the net?

MJ and Prince comparisons are fruitless. MJ is nowhere near as MUSICALLY talented as Prince and you know it. He hasn't covered nearly as many musical forms and MJ is is not a master of any instrument.

MJ sells more units than Prince ... so what? That just proves the point that MJ is a pop entertainer and Prince is a serious musician. Do you seriously believe that sales figures equate cultural impact?

While MJ is stuck in an 80's timewarp recycling the moonwalk and wearing white socks, Prince has moved on into more challenging complex areas. MJ is merely following the latest trend and hiring the latest producers in an ever-desperate attempt to re-capture his former glory. Prince isn't even trying, so your commentary is pointless anyway.

As for MJ's writing credits just LOOK at the credits for the 'Invicible' album. There is an ARMY of writers. MJ wrote 'speechless' the most vomit inducing sack of garbage on the entire album.

You probably think 'Cry' is a masterful social commentary. But even that wasn't written by Jackson. R.Kelly is responsible for that crime against humanity.

For someone complaining about bitter reactions, you sure sound bitter in the post.

MattyJam....i feel sorry for you. You have bought the idea
that the music industry was trying to sell. When people of ordinary talent get to the status of MJ, Britney, then i think we have a problem.
Take your blinders off, Matty. MJ is as guilty as can be about those molestation charges. If you were innocent, would you give $25 million to settle the case?? MJ bought his way out of that situation. He was going to defend himself, but the kid knew of the blotches on his penis...there is no defense for that kind of information.

A real music fan definately, without a doubt, knows that Prince is in a league by himself.
MattyJam, once you learn to stop judging people on their "popularity" and how much cash they have, and instead focus on the art and heart of a person, then the world will open up for you. I feel sorry for you.

Calhouns Sq : Subtle and Elegant has always....lol

Hard time on this forum for us who dare to like MJ....all Mj fans should be burn, like him the big sicko.....The great Heresy!!!
Prince.org or the The Truth.org

Can we stop here? it's pathetic....