MotownSubdivision said:

MotownSubdivision said:

aaside from "Ordinary People" and "Green Light", just doesn't have the hits.

You must not listen to the radio, because All Of Me was oversaturated just like Old Town Road, Happy, & Uptown Funk were. All Of Me has over 2 billion views on Youtube

John(whom is the FIRST BLACK MALE TO WIN AN EGOT) also has 10 Grammys, a Tony, and an Oscar to his name would be GREAT on Broadway in NY.

John(whom is friends with The Smith's) did a VERY impressive EMMY AWARD WINNING performance of the LIVE NBC Version of "Jesus Christ SuperStar" .

MickyDolenz said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

alphastreet said:

That’s what he gets for being a sellout

Define sellout.

MickyDolenz said:

Empress said:

paisleypark4 said:

John Legend sells catalog...ypost.com)

ohn Legend is the latest pop star to cash in on the sale of publishing rights to his music catalog.

The R&B singer-songwriter reached a deal with global investment firm KKR & Co. and music company BMG to sell both copyrights and the rights to receive royalties from songs he wrote beginning in 2004.

Terms of the deal were not disclosed. Filings indicate that the agreement was consummated in September.

Its interesting to think this man has been in the industry now for almost 20 years. Time just goes right on by.

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I couldn't name one John Legend song.

Me neither.

MotownSubdivision said:

Bob Dylan Bruce Springsteen David Bowie John Legend One of these isn't like the others (and not in the way you're probably thinking)... [Edited 1/7/22 10:29am]

Definitely. He will have a long time regretting that maybe he gave those songs up to early. But then again, who knows what the offer was.

MotownSubdivision said:

I'm speaking quantity-wise. Subjectively, fuck that song.

How about Drake then? He definitely has the hits. As far as the Hot 100 goes, Drake is the most successful artist in the history of the recording business.

MickyDolenz said:

MotownSubdivision said:

I'm speaking quantity-wise. Subjectively, fuck that song.

How about Drake then? He definitely has the hits. As far as the Hot 100 goes, Drake is the most successful artist in the history of the recording business.

succesful in the streaming era, huge difference between his catalog in this era to artists in older eras who have physical product that still sells. Plus I don't know for sure but is drake solely the writer of his music? I'm guessing there are others involved and also sampling you can't sell the rights to someone else's work too.

lastdecember said:

succesful in the streaming era, huge difference between his catalog in this era to artists in older eras who have physical product that still sells. Plus I don't know for sure but is drake solely the writer of his music? I'm guessing there are others involved and also sampling you can't sell the rights to someone else's work too.

I doubt these companies are buying song catalogs because of today's record sales. Like how many BTS, Adele, or Megan Thee Stallion fans are buying old Bob Dylan or Bruce Springsteen albums? Best Buy stores don't even carry CDs. Wal-Mart mainly has Greatest Hits, whatever is in the Top 10, and a few Spanish language singers, and only if it doesn't have a parental advisory sticker. Wal-Mart also has a few vinyls. More likely because they can license songs to TV/movies, commercials, video games, Broadway musicals, etc. That's where the big money is. It's like I've heard Let's Get It On by Marvin Gaye in a lot of commercials.

He played piano on The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill. Just sayin'!

MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

succesful in the streaming era, huge difference between his catalog in this era to artists in older eras who have physical product that still sells. Plus I don't know for sure but is drake solely the writer of his music? I'm guessing there are others involved and also sampling you can't sell the rights to someone else's work too.

I doubt these companies are buying song catalogs because of today's record sales. Like how many BTS, Adele, or Megan Thee Stallion fans are buying old Bob Dylan or Bruce Springsteen albums? Best Buy stores don't even carry CDs. Wal-Mart mainly has Greatest Hits, whatever is in the Top 10, and a few Spanish language singers, and only if it doesn't have a parental advisory sticker. Wal-Mart also has a few vinyls. More likely because they can license songs to TV/movies, commercials, video games, Broadway musicals, etc. That's where the big money is. It's like I've heard Let's Get It On by Marvin Gaye in a lot of commercials.

But again alot of these artists are not sole writers so they dont own publishing out right. I mean it took twenty writers to write Justin Beiber "Peaches" so good luck with that sale. BTS, Megan all have lots of writers, sampling, etc.... For the old Motown stuff, blame Mr. Gordy for that, a lot of those artists got screwed but the label that they called home.

Cinny said:

He played piano on The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill. Just sayin'!

And on A LOT of Kanye's(whom I also worked with) hit songs from his associate artist on his GOOD Music label .

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Cinny said:

He played piano on The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill. Just sayin'!

Which is PROBABLY why He even has a Career in the FIRST Place!!! Lauryn took Credit for His & Everybody Else's Work on that Album

MickyDolenz said:

TrivialPursuit said:

alphastreet said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Define sellout.

He threw mj under the bus in spite of working with him. Can’t think for himself and going with the masses

That's not selling out. That's you being butthurt about something. Not thinking for himself is a character trait, and one you don't know is true anyway. "Going with the masses." Like Prince did repeatedly?


Define sellout.

MickyDolenz said:

MotownSubdivision said:

I'm speaking quantity-wise. Subjectively, fuck that song.

How about Drake then? He definitely has the hits. As far as the Hot 100 goes, Drake is the most successful artist in the history of the recording business.

I love music........and Drake is so great I can't name a single song he has ever made.

TrivialPursuit said:

woogiebear said:

Cinny said:

He played piano on The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill. Just sayin'!

Which is PROBABLY why He even has a Career in the FIRST Place!!! Lauryn took Credit for His & Everybody Else's Work on that Album

She certainly did!

It was a good move, get in early while it was still cheap

woogiebear said:

I dont think folks realize that this dude was pretty good when he was recordng under his real name: John Stephens.

alphastreet said:

I just felt most black people have defended mj, and John didn’t in spite of working with him

Well, what you feel or what Legend said about Jackson has nothing to do with being a sellout.

Sellout is a bullying word. Fans of an artist don't want their artist being involved in commercial ventures. But shit, who's selling and buying those records, paying for studio time, paying for the tour, merchandise, etc? Who's cashing checks? The artists! "Please buy my music, don't download it for free." "SELLOUT!" Shut up, already. Damn.

Just because Prince didn't let his music in a commercial, he was still a sellout by corporate standards. He worked with record companies and businesses in exchange for promoting his music and making money. He went back to Warner years later, plus worked with Arista, and CBS Sony. That's not selling out? Oh right, that was a handshake deal. I forgot.

Let me expand: Was MJ a sell out in 1984 when The Jackson's had Pepsi promote their Victory Tour? Was Lionel when he did the same thing? Was Elton John when he did Diet Coke commercials with Paula Abdul? Was MC Hammer when he did a soda commercial?

These folks are doing their jobs, whatever those jobs are that they get hired for or sign up for, see. I used to know Dave Holmes, a bit, from MTV. He once got on his Twitter or something because people were bugging out that he was in a Ford commercial. He said, "Folks, I'm doing my job. I'm a TV personality, I'm a face and a voice, a host. This is what I do. So doing a car commercial isn't selling out. It's doing my job." (that's a fairly accurate summation of his words, not verbatim).

Is Jennifer Aniston a sellout for hocking Aveeno lotion? She was one of the highest paid actresses in Hollywood for the better part of a decade, and still is to a great extent. But she's selling body lotion. She selling out? Where's your line of defense on this?

Dave Holmes was right. Every big beer, liquor, or soft drink company sponsors a rock star to pay for the tour, etc. It's business.

And while I don't recall anyone calling Stevie Nicks, Tina Turner, Lindsay Buckingham, David Crosby, or Bruce Springsteen sellouts in recent weeks and months when they sold their catalogs. Oh no, that was a good move, set up for the rest of their lives, and their heirs, too. That was a smart move. But this caramel shaded singer does it, and he's a sellout? Doesn't make sense.

He can do with his music whatever he wants. I don't care what he did or didn't say about Michael Jackson. He wasn't Judge John Legend. He's Teigan's husband at most, these days.

Graycap23 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

TrivialPursuit said:

alphastreet said:

I just felt most black people have defended mj, and John didn’t in spite of working with him

Well, what you feel or what Legend said about Jackson has nothing to do with being a sellout.

Sellout is a bullying word. Fans of an artist don't want their artist being involved in commercial ventures. But shit, who's selling and buying those records, paying for studio time, paying for the tour, merchandise, etc? Who's cashing checks? The artists! "Please buy my music, don't download it for free." "SELLOUT!" Shut up, already. Damn.

Just because Prince didn't let his music in a commercial, he was still a sellout by corporate standards. He worked with record companies and businesses in exchange for promoting his music and making money. He went back to Warner years later, plus worked with Arista, and CBS Sony. That's not selling out? Oh right, that was a handshake deal. I forgot.

Let me expand: Was MJ a sell out in 1984 when The Jackson's had Pepsi promote their Victory Tour? Was Lionel when he did the same thing? Was Elton John when he did Diet Coke commercials with Paula Abdul? Was MC Hammer when he did a soda commercial?

These folks are doing their jobs, whatever those jobs are that they get hired for or sign up for, see. I used to know Dave Holmes, a bit, from MTV. He once got on his Twitter or something because people were bugging out that he was in a Ford commercial. He said, "Folks, I'm doing my job. I'm a TV personality, I'm a face and a voice, a host. This is what I do. So doing a car commercial isn't selling out. It's doing my job." (that's a fairly accurate summation of his words, not verbatim).

Is Jennifer Aniston a sellout for hocking Aveeno lotion? She was one of the highest paid actresses in Hollywood for the better part of a decade, and still is to a great extent. But she's selling body lotion. She selling out? Where's your line of defense on this?

Dave Holmes was right. Every big beer, liquor, or soft drink company sponsors a rock star to pay for the tour, etc. It's business.

And while I don't recall anyone calling Stevie Nicks, Tina Turner, Lindsay Buckingham, David Crosby, or Bruce Springsteen sellouts in recent weeks and months when they sold their catalogs. Oh no, that was a good move, set up for the rest of their lives, and their heirs, too. That was a smart move. But this caramel shaded singer does it, and he's a sellout? Doesn't make sense.

He can do with his music whatever he wants. I don't care what he did or didn't say about Michael Jackson. He wasn't Judge John Legend. He's Teigan's husband at most, these days.

I always thought being a sellout means you change your art to become more commercially succesfull, despite in your heart you want something else.

But you know that will not sell, so you're not doing it.

It doesn't really have something to with doing a commercial right? maybe it does, i always think does are things artists do beside being an artist.

nextedition said: