SantanaMaitreya said:

Free2BMe said:

RODSERLING said:

That's not BS and you know it. By the way, MJ didn't die in a car accident. He died because he was an addict to painkiller. He did the same during the TII rehearsals he did after each show of the History Tour. He was on drug every night. He could have died many times during that era. From what I collected over the years, two nights were particularly dangerous for MJ because of his painkillers abuse. The night he learned from his accusations in 1993 during the Dangerous Tour during the Toaster introduction. And the night after Lady Diana died, he took more drugs than usual amd it was almost lethal to him. Of course there were many others signs, ssuch as the aborted HBO show, the MSG shows, etc. It was completely predictable from am objective point of view, from which you seem lacking to this day concerning MJ. MJ himself told in 2003 in his own documentary that if he would have to tour again, he would assuredly die. But surely, MJ was a moron, an asshole, etc. Saying that of himself.

Damn, I thought you were one of the few in this forum that relied on facts.

This guy only speculates.

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Michael Vs Prince = an old dead cow since 1985, that makes 36 years of gossipy bullshit.

A thread like this has 1089 views.

Says a lot about most Prince fans here.

The need for more gossip and wouldbe stories...

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Vannormal said:

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Michael Vs Prince = an old dead cow since 1985, that makes 36 years of gossipy bullshit.

A thread like this has 1089 views.

Says a lot about most Prince fans here.

The need for more gossip and wouldbe stories...

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You didn't read the first post. I get it. But next time - maybe read it through first? kthxbai

TrivialPursuit said:

Vannormal said:

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Michael Vs Prince = an old dead cow since 1985, that makes 36 years of gossipy bullshit.

A thread like this has 1089 views.

Says a lot about most Prince fans here.

The need for more gossip and wouldbe stories...

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You didn't read the first post. I get it. But next time - maybe read it through first? kthxbai

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Oh I read it.

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TrivialPursuit said:

Vannormal said:

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Michael Vs Prince = an old dead cow since 1985, that makes 36 years of gossipy bullshit.

A thread like this has 1089 views.

Says a lot about most Prince fans here.

The need for more gossip and wouldbe stories...

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You didn't read the first post. I get it. But next time - maybe read it through first? kthxbai

The people dictate the thread, not OP...

And you seem net privy enough to know it's all about the title these daysc'mon.

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TrivialPursuit said:

Vannormal said:

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Michael Vs Prince = an old dead cow since 1985, that makes 36 years of gossipy bullshit.

A thread like this has 1089 views.

Says a lot about most Prince fans here.

The need for more gossip and wouldbe stories...

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You didn't read the first post. I get it. But next time - maybe read it through first? kthxbai

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Here, a more proper answer.

Prince and Michael Jackson only had this in comon,

both musicians (but then again completely different ones), eighties popular popstars, black,

were both unearthly weird (in their own way), and that's about it.

For the rest they were pure competition,

partly created by the media, themselves, and by the fans.

They did nothing together - had nothing in comon.

Nothing! Not even musically.

Prince made rock and funk (with a slight lyrical sauce of incest, masturbation and loads of all kinds of sex), and prince lost his street credibility by becomin a (rock)star.

Michael couldn't play any instrument, sang about love and longed for street credibility in nearly every video he made - never had it.

You said;

''Both were trying to stay current and try new things, I believe.''

I personally think Prince didn't stay 'current'; ''The Rainbow Children was so off the charts and all.. He did not made this album for neither radio nor charts.

It was by then his own translation of convinced believes (imho).

Michael on the contrary did with his ''Invincible'' what Prince tried with ''Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic''.
Their competition was everything but friendly though - mind Prince's blurry comments in general (at the time) about Michael.

And I'm aboslutely not convinced that "they appreciated each other as people, as Black men, and as an artist", like you say. I truely don't believe that. Certainly not from Prince's side. He was a mean (in the positive sense of the word) competitive musician.

They couldn't do anyting else than staying in each's own lane.

Prince could never be Michael Jackson, vice versa.

And I believe neither of them tried to be the other.

At least that's my humble opinion.

And as usual, i could be completley wrong, as i don't know any of them personally.

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Free2BMe said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I'm talking overall theme. But MJ tended to shit on women and their sexual desires, while Prince embraced them more often and fancied that even. In darling nikki, prince is longing for nikki while MJ tried to make the misogynistic lyrics "sexy". Dirty diana is cringe inducing for that very reason to me. And you cannot tell me that MJ wasn't inspired by Prince's style as well. The only thing Prince didn't wear was a shirt.

😂😂 Are you on drugs? In Darling Niki, Prince is calling her a sex fiend and says she’s masturbating with a magazine, etc. In other words he is shitting on this woman. He is being misogynistic. In Dirty Diana, Michael is describing a groupie who wants to have sex with him. She does everything to seduce him and finally Michael relents by calling his girlfriend/wife and tells her to “unlock the door” and leave it open because he will be late coming home. In the background you hear Diana say ..”because he’s sleeping with me”. I don’t find those lyrics misogynistic. Maybe YOU are just looking for ANYTHING to criticize or find fault. I do know that I find the song and video for Dirty Diana, sexy as hell. The live performance for the BAD tour was even sexier. Btw, I also like Prince’s performance of Darling Niki from the Purple Rain movie. Stop trying to tear down Michael, in order to elevate Prince. It makes you seem immature and insecure. 😎 [Edited 11/4/21 14:20pm]

First of all, while prince does have some misogynistic songs, darling nikki isn't one of them. Calling someone a sex fiend and explaining how they masturbate isn't sexist and he clearly got the hots for her. He's begging her to come back cause he wanna grind.

And then you should stop claiming that everyone is trying to tear MJ down by simply critizing him for some shit he clearly did. He was a misogynist, wether you like that or not. He cleary had a problem with women who displayed their sexuality and that was a flaw of his. He was a human being with flaws and highlighting them while they fit the topic doesn't equal tearing him down. I didn't sit here and claimed shit about him that I can't prove.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Free2BMe said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

EmmaMcG said:

Free2BMe said:

EmmaMcG said:

Free2BMe said:

You are correct, SOME MJ fans are more docile than others, therefore, you wouldn’t fit into the group that I was speaking of. Btw, your idea of being an adult and agreeing with the person that I disagreed with is just that, YOUR idea. It’s like a kid trying to tell a parent what to do just because you’re 13 years old and in the 7th grade. Sweetie, please stay in YOUR lane.When you have experienced what I have in life, career, etc., then MAYBE you can TRY to tell an ADULT what to do.

Seriously, you have a LONG way to go in life before you try to tell another person how to respond to a statement or someone that you feel is a “good guy”. I consider you basically a kid trying to act “grownup”. I’m not mad at you, it’s just laughable that you( a 20+ year old) would TRY to advise another person on how to be an “adult” or how to respond to a person in YOUR way. That’s what you need to do with YOUR kids. You can’t dictate what another adult does to try and mold them like you. Let me tell you a secret, “ It doesn’t work that way.”😃 Good luck, Sweetie, you will need it in life. As the little girl told her father, “worry about yourself.”😃

I'm 31 years old and have already reached a point in my life and career where I've earned enough to retire on and live very comfortably for the rest of my life. But if whatever you've experienced in your life and career has led you to become what you are now, then I'm glad I never experienced it
But I'm glad you're not mad at me though. I don't think I'd be able to sleep tonight if I thought you were mad at me. What a relief!

But you're right about one thing. It's pointless to attempt to advise people like you how to treat others. But you're wrong about something else. I never agreed with WhiteDude about MJ. I just don't verbally attack people who dislike my favourite pop stars.

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Uhm, wait !!!

I'll grab a bucket of popcorn and a couple of beers first.

..rush rush, bam!...

Now please go on

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For fuck's sake. I give up.

TrivialPursuit said:

For fuck's sake. I give up.

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Have a beer too.

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Free2BMe said:

EmmaMcG said:

I'm 31 years old and have already reached a point in my life and career where I've earned enough to retire on and live very comfortably for the rest of my life. But if whatever you've experienced in your life and career has led you to become what you are now, then I'm glad I never experienced it
But I'm glad you're not mad at me though. I don't think I'd be able to sleep tonight if I thought you were mad at me. What a relief!

But you're right about one thing. It's pointless to attempt to advise people like you how to treat others. But you're wrong about something else. I never agreed with WhiteDude about MJ. I just don't verbally attack people who dislike my favourite pop stars.

I’m glad that you’ve already reached a point in your life and career where you’ve earned enough to retire and live very comfortably for the rest of your life. At least that’s One thing that we have in common. I have also reached a point in my life where I’ve earned enough to live comfortably for the rest of my life. Thank God, I’m not surrounded by people who TRY to tell another person how they should respond or act. People like that are annoying, condescending and HYPOCRITICAL.Those kind of people ALWAYS conveniently twist and manipulate things to fit THEIR rhetoric. Btw, I was being sarcastic when I said “I’m not mad at you.” It wouldn’t matter to me, if you were or weren’t. We are not friends or associates. You are some unknown person on the internet that I will never meet in real life. Therefore, you really do need to stop taking yourself too seriously.😏

EmmaMcG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

First of all, while prince does have some misogynistic songs, darling nikki isn't one of them. Calling someone a sex fiend and explaining how they masturbate isn't sexist and he clearly got the hots for her. He's begging her to come back cause he wanna grind.

And then you should stop claiming that everyone is trying to tear MJ down by simply critizing him for some shit he clearly did. He was a misogynist, wether you like that or not. He cleary had a problem with women who displayed their sexuality and that was a flaw of his. He was a human being with flaws and highlighting them while they fit the topic doesn't equal tearing him down. I didn't sit here and claimed shit about him that I can't prove.

What makes you say that MJ was a misogynist? Is it just the lyrics to Dirty Diana or were there other things? I've always had the impression that MJ was probably the exact opposite of a misogynist. But, to be honest, I'm judging him purely by his music. His personal life doesn't interest me in the slightest so if he's ever expressed any misogynist leanings, I've never heard it. I don't even see Dirty Diana as being especially misogynist though. I mean, he's talking about this one woman, not all women. Having said all that, one of my favourite songs, and music videos, is Motley Crue's Girls Girls Girls. Now THAT is misogynist!

He expressed some on the shmuley tapes if I remember correctly and give in to me is another song with an atleast sexist undertone. I still listen to his music, but it oftem seemed like he had a problem with women who expressed their sexuality confidently, like madonna. here's a quote from the tapes:It is hard because the women today can do a good job of faking it. I mean a real good job. They are so smooth. Look in the Bible. Women have taken the most powerful men down to nothing because of what is between their legs.

But I also can see how others might see it differently. I just never liked that he generalized a whole gender. I mean if the woman didn't wanna claim that he's her baby daddy then the woman was just chasing him for sex. That was the overall theme in his songs about women.

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EmmaMcG said:

Free2BMe said:

I’m glad that you’ve already reached a point in your life and career where you’ve earned enough to retire and live very comfortably for the rest of your life. At least that’s One thing that we have in common. I have also reached a point in my life where I’ve earned enough to live comfortably for the rest of my life. Thank God, I’m not surrounded by people who TRY to tell another person how they should respond or act. People like that are annoying, condescending and HYPOCRITICAL.Those kind of people ALWAYS conveniently twist and manipulate things to fit THEIR rhetoric. Btw, I was being sarcastic when I said “I’m not mad at you.” It wouldn’t matter to me, if you were or weren’t. We are not friends or associates. You are some unknown person on the internet that I will never meet in real life. Therefore, you really do need to stop taking yourself too seriously.😏

ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

EmmaMcG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

EmmaMcG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

First of all, while prince does have some misogynistic songs, darling nikki isn't one of them. Calling someone a sex fiend and explaining how they masturbate isn't sexist and he clearly got the hots for her. He's begging her to come back cause he wanna grind.

And then you should stop claiming that everyone is trying to tear MJ down by simply critizing him for some shit he clearly did. He was a misogynist, wether you like that or not. He cleary had a problem with women who displayed their sexuality and that was a flaw of his. He was a human being with flaws and highlighting them while they fit the topic doesn't equal tearing him down. I didn't sit here and claimed shit about him that I can't prove.

What makes you say that MJ was a misogynist? Is it just the lyrics to Dirty Diana or were there other things? I've always had the impression that MJ was probably the exact opposite of a misogynist. But, to be honest, I'm judging him purely by his music. His personal life doesn't interest me in the slightest so if he's ever expressed any misogynist leanings, I've never heard it. I don't even see Dirty Diana as being especially misogynist though. I mean, he's talking about this one woman, not all women. Having said all that, one of my favourite songs, and music videos, is Motley Crue's Girls Girls Girls. Now THAT is misogynist!

He expressed some on the shmuley tapes if I remember correctly and give in to me is another song with an atleast sexist undertone. I still listen to his music, but it oftem seemed like he had a problem with women who expressed their sexuality confidently, like madonna. here's a quote from the tapes:It is hard because the women today can do a good job of faking it. I mean a real good job. They are so smooth. Look in the Bible. Women have taken the most powerful men down to nothing because of what is between their legs.

But I also can see how others might see it differently. I just never liked that he generalized a whole gender. I mean if the woman didn't wanna claim that he's her baby daddy then the woman was just chasing him for sex. That was the overall theme in his songs about women.

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Yeah that's a good point. I'd guess that would come across as being misogynistic. Personally, I see it more a case of him being an older man from a religious background. A lot of men from his generation and background tend to have, let's say, "outdated" ways of looking at the world. Especially for someone like Michael Jackson who always came across as a bit... inexperienced with regards to the opposite sex. I never took his more questionable lyrics that seriously and was certainly never offended by them. But I love all those old hair metal bands so maybe I'm kind of numb to misogynistic viewpoints in music

Free2BMe said:

Free2BMe said: