I know there are some people amongst you that still buy physical music like CDs. Please stop. The environmental cost involved in MAKING them and then TRANSPORTING them to your store and then to your house, in the internet age is simply ridiculous. We've all put fiber optic cable under the ground and cellphone towers in the sky for a reason. Let's Use it/them. Thank you.

domainator said:

I know there are some people amongst you that still buy physical music like CDs. Please stop. The environmental cost involved in MAKING them and then TRANSPORTING them to your store and then to your house, in the internet age is simply ridiculous. We've all put fiber optic cable under the ground and cellphone towers in the sky for a reason. Let's Use it/them. Thank you.

good luck with that on this site lol

People tend to keep records/tapes/CDs. But every day they throw out tons of plastic/paper food packaging, water/soda bottles & cans, junk mail, boxes, worn out sneakers, hazmat, car tires, newspapers/magazines, old cell phones, etc. Restaurants & stores throw away perfectly good food everyday too. Using a computer is not good for the environment either, yet you're on the internet.

There's also the case that not everybody has a computer or internet, because they can't afford it (or they're not interested in it). Look at all the kids who couldn't do online classes when they shut down the schools for Covid. A lot of older people don't know how to use a computer. Some rural & mountain areas don't even have internet or cell phone service.

That argument is invalid. MikeyDolenz said it, people don't use a CD once then throw it away like packaging for water, or juice, or milk. The most is the shrink wrap, and probably are even probably keeping part of that with the hype sticker.

No one wants to listen to substandard streaming music all the time. Also, not everyone in the world has access to high speed fibre optic internet that can stream a gazillion things at once. But if you wanna fund that happening, you can probably be a big help, considering all that money you're saving by not buying CDs anymore.

Besides, you should've thought of this when AOL was littering the planet with those fucking install CDs and 3" floppies.

TrivialPursuit said:

That argument is invalid. MikeyDolenz said it, people don't use a CD once then throw it away like packaging for water, or juice, or milk. The most is the shrink wrap, and probably are even probably keeping part of that with the hype sticker.

No one wants to listen to substandard streaming music all the time. Also, not everyone in the world has access to high speed fibre optic internet that can stream a gazillion things at once. But if you wanna fund that happening, you can probably be a big help, considering all that money you're saving by not buying CDs anymore.

Besides, you should've thought of this when AOL was littering the planet with those fucking install CDs and 3" floppies.

And vinyl's any better? I've got about 1200 CD's and what I love most about them is that I can read the booklets, see the awesome pix, who produced and played on the tracks, etc...I didn't grow up with the internet, so it's all beyond me. No one ever taught me anything about it cuz I'm an older cat who just doesn't "get" it. I'm lucky at work if I can even figure out how to gain entry into my employee file! I'm not very tech-saavy at ALL. I can shop on Amazon, pay some bills, read stuff, but when it comes down 2 all that digital fare, I'm lost. When I pop open a fresh CD, it's the same thrill as when I was younger of slicin' open a brand new album! It gives me a rush! Much luv! I promise if I ever get rid of any of my CD's, I'll recycle 'em or find someone who WILL! <3

lol.........

Any album you listen to more than about 30 times it apparently makes more sense buy it physically than stream it:

How streaming music could...BBC Future


The plastic and packaging that comes with CDs and vinyl makes them seem worse for the environment, but the popularity of music streaming services may be polluting in other ways.

[Edited 7/26/21 7:42am]

Like that's going to happen. Most of the music I own is a physical copy and I have no intentions of changing that.

Also, what happens when you'r enot near internet and can't stream?

What happens when a streaming service starts charging more per month or year than you may spend on music?

And what happens to the artist who is making 1¢ per stream? People are supposed to live on that, after taxes???

Sit down and be quiet with that bullshit. It's unreasonable and unsustainable.

Why did the OP specifically mention CDs and not vinyl?

MickyDolenz said:

Using a computer is not good for the environment either, yet you're on the internet.

Exactly.

Get the intention but the plastic problem is not my problem. Sick of being told that it is.

Check in with the oil industry that invented it and knew the whole time it wouldn't be reused / could not break down naturally.

Oh yeah and dont tell me what to do.

Cinny said:

MickyDolenz said:

Using a computer is not good for the environment either, yet you're on the internet.

Exactly.

Cyber high five, my friend.

domainator said:

We've all put fiber optic cable under the ground and cellphone towers in the sky for a reason.

Is that supposed to be good for the environment?

This is in 10 billionth place on the list of important environmental issues, so it is hard to take it seriously. For me, buying music at this point in time is mostly to help the artist since they get so little from streaming unless they have massive hits. Yes, you can download it but I do think that many people want the advantages of the CD over downloads/streaming. If everyone stopped buying CDs and making CD players, eventually you would have lots of CDs headed for the landfills decades from now. At least now, people can sell or give away their used CDs if they no longer will use them.

TrivialPursuit said:

Naaaa. I'll stick with all physical media.

TrivialPursuit said:

Also, what happens when you'r enot near internet and can't stream?

What happens when a streaming service starts charging more per month or year than you may spend on music?

And what happens to the artist who is making 1¢ per stream? People are supposed to live on that, after taxes???

Sit down and be quiet with that bullshit. It's unreasonable and unsustainable.

DON'T take that tone with me.

I am in INDIA. In INDIA, we have already shifted to streaming. CDs never *happened* in India, an English language CD (shipped from overseas, more likely than not) costs, or should I say costED more than 5 to 6 HUNDRED rupees - nobody can afford that. All that was needed for the shift was cheap internet, and now, thanks to Jio (cheap Indian ISP who revolutionised India), we have it. So I just wanted to tell all of you abroad to come to your senses and follow suit. Indian artists now make whatever they *can* from streaming, and that's it. There are no other options (although FM radio still exists - yeah, you know, FM radio!). And that, btw, means Youtube, cause no one, I would imagine pays for Spotify or Amazon Music or whatever, though of course I don't have figures.

We ARE all going to shift online, you know. If YOU/your generation doesn't do it, your kids' will. So why run backwards?
And btw, I didn't mean (for the guy who's talking about plastic) the cost of only MAKING the CDs, but also TRANSPORTING them from the factory to the store/or your house; and in the case of India, TO A FOREIGN COUNTRY. That's a lot of oil being burnt for nothing. Using a computer may not be the perfect solution (ie. it still uses electricity), but from where I'm standing, it's Better.

Do it. It Makes Sense.

kitbradley said:

Why did the OP specifically mention CDs and not vinyl?

Vinyl has been dead in India for about 40 years.

domainator said:

We ARE all going to shift online, you know. If YOU/your generation doesn't do it, your kids' will.

You mean those kids who buy game discs for Playstation & Xbox. Popular gaming discs sell way more than music CDs. There's also all of those people who buy DVDs or Blu-Ray.

domainator said:

I know there are some people amongst you that still buy physical music like CDs. Please stop. The environmental cost involved in MAKING them and then TRANSPORTING them to your store and then to your house, in the internet age is simply ridiculous. We've all put fiber optic cable under the ground and cellphone towers in the sky for a reason. Let's Use it/them. Thank you.

Sorry. But I don't give a flying fuck. The only way I buy music is phsyical. Anything else you don't really own.

domainator said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Also, what happens when you'r enot near internet and can't stream?

What happens when a streaming service starts charging more per month or year than you may spend on music?

And what happens to the artist who is making 1¢ per stream? People are supposed to live on that, after taxes???

Sit down and be quiet with that bullshit. It's unreasonable and unsustainable.

DON'T take that tone with me.

I am in INDIA. In INDIA, we have already shifted to streaming. CDs never *happened* in India, an English language CD (shipped from overseas, more likely than not) costs, or should I say costED more than 5 to 6 HUNDRED rupees - nobody can afford that. All that was needed for the shift was cheap internet, and now, thanks to Jio (cheap Indian ISP who revolutionised India), we have it. So I just wanted to tell all of you abroad to come to your senses and follow suit. Indian artists now make whatever they *can* from streaming, and that's it. There are no other options (although FM radio still exists - yeah, you know, FM radio!). And that, btw, means Youtube, cause no one, I would imagine pays for Spotify or Amazon Music or whatever, though of course I don't have figures.

We ARE all going to shift online, you know. If YOU/your generation doesn't do it, your kids' will. So why run backwards?
And btw, I didn't mean (for the guy who's talking about plastic) the cost of only MAKING the CDs, but also TRANSPORTING them from the factory to the store/or your house; and in the case of India, TO A FOREIGN COUNTRY. That's a lot of oil being burnt for nothing. Using a computer may not be the perfect solution (ie. it still uses electricity), but from where I'm standing, it's Better.

Do it. It Makes Sense.

LOL and that coming from someone in India, the world leader in avoiding waste... or more like a world leader in producing waste and disposing of it in the worst way. There are way other things to take care of first before you clamp down on CDs.

PatrickS77 said:

domainator said:

DON'T take that tone with me.

I am in INDIA. In INDIA, we have already shifted to streaming. CDs never *happened* in India, an English language CD (shipped from overseas, more likely than not) costs, or should I say costED more than 5 to 6 HUNDRED rupees - nobody can afford that. All that was needed for the shift was cheap internet, and now, thanks to Jio (cheap Indian ISP who revolutionised India), we have it. So I just wanted to tell all of you abroad to come to your senses and follow suit. Indian artists now make whatever they *can* from streaming, and that's it. There are no other options (although FM radio still exists - yeah, you know, FM radio!). And that, btw, means Youtube, cause no one, I would imagine pays for Spotify or Amazon Music or whatever, though of course I don't have figures.

We ARE all going to shift online, you know. If YOU/your generation doesn't do it, your kids' will. So why run backwards?
And btw, I didn't mean (for the guy who's talking about plastic) the cost of only MAKING the CDs, but also TRANSPORTING them from the factory to the store/or your house; and in the case of India, TO A FOREIGN COUNTRY. That's a lot of oil being burnt for nothing. Using a computer may not be the perfect solution (ie. it still uses electricity), but from where I'm standing, it's Better.

Do it. It Makes Sense.

LOL and that coming from someone in India, the world leader in avoiding waste... or more like a world leader in producing waste and disposing of it in the worst way. There are way other things to take care of first before you clamp down on CDs.

Exactly!

domainator said:

I know there are some people amongst you that still buy physical music like CDs. Please stop. The environmental cost involved in MAKING them and then TRANSPORTING them to your store and then to your house, in the internet age is simply ridiculous. We've all put fiber optic cable under the ground and cellphone towers in the sky for a reason. Let's Use it/them. Thank you.

Erm...

No.

TrivialPursuit said:

Cinny said:

Exactly.

Cyber high five, my friend.

And cyber... other stuff!