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CynicKill

Is Sinead O'Connor Right?

I never thought about it like this before, but methinks she has a point.

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Later, you recall a scary incident with Prince — who wrote your No. 1 hit "Nothing Compares 2 U" — in which you say he chased you at his L.A. home. Did you consider not performing the song after that?

No because the song wasn't his, it was mine. It's my song. It never crossed my mind before I met him, or after. I never heard him sing it before I recorded it. I didn't associate it with him at all.

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Excerpted from Sinead's new bio.

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Reply #1 posted 05/27/21 1:12pm

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She is lucky that she is alive and able to have these one sided public discussions with herself about Prince. I never cared for her version but I’m glad we now have his.
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Reply #2 posted 05/27/21 2:28pm

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I never really followed her career,so I have to ask...

is Sinead a one-hit wonder? I can't recall hearing any other songs from her after "Nothing Compares 2 U".

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Reply #3 posted 05/27/21 3:16pm

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In a way, she's right. In the same way Respect is Aretha's and All Along the Watchtower is Jimi's, NC2U belongs to her.

As far as the mainstream is concerned, she is a one-hit wonder, but I remember alternative stations playing her a lot before then.
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Reply #4 posted 05/27/21 3:32pm

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I don't follow Sineads career either but I was kinda paying attention to her at her peak, she seemed cool. Then the antics started. Not being catholic I didn't feel any personal way about her stance but after a while it was off putting. At the time I thought her version was absolutely fabulous but decades of antics tied to the song has made me remove her version from my playlist because it's taninted with stupid stuff that doesn't involve my life or simply enjoying a cool song. Prince's 2 versions are enough for my, besides I honestly loved The Family's version since forever and that's where I first heard it anyway, and I have a more fulfilling connection with that version.
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Reply #5 posted 05/27/21 3:42pm

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SoulAlive said:

I never really followed her career,so I have to ask...

is Sinead a one-hit wonder? I can't recall hearing any other songs from her after "Nothing Compares 2 U".




Not a fan, but in 2000 she released one of the best songs I've ever heard - No Man's Woman. I really love this powerful uptempo 3-minute-song (and I'm a man), it's in my Top-20-list.

Other good songs: Emperor's new clothes, Mandinka and the wonderful Haunted (with Shane Mac Gowan).

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Reply #6 posted 05/27/21 6:45pm

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ForbiddenFruit said:

SoulAlive said:

I never really followed her career,so I have to ask...

is Sinead a one-hit wonder? I can't recall hearing any other songs from her after "Nothing Compares 2 U".




Not a fan, but in 2000 she released one of the best songs I've ever heard - No Man's Woman. I really love this powerful uptempo 3-minute-song (and I'm a man), it's in my Top-20-list.

Other good songs: Emperor's new clothes, Mandinka and the wonderful Haunted (with Shane Mac Gowan).

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And the album she made when she was 21 was one of my favorite albums of the 80's. It's called The Lion and the Cobra. After reading that her ripped up picture of the Pope on SNL was just a protest of her being abused by her mother as a child, I felt bad for her because she was made fun of for that - for a long time after that. She also has no reason to lie about the Prince story. This song, Put Your Hands on Me, with Mc Lyte, was my favorite:

https://www.youtube.com/w...PJ8SLagt7I

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Reply #7 posted 05/28/21 1:09am

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I never thought about it like this before, but methinks she has a point.

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Later, you recall a scary incident with Prince — who wrote your No. 1 hit "Nothing Compares 2 U" — in which you say he chased you at his L.A. home. Did you consider not performing the song after that?

No because the song wasn't his, it was mine. It's my song. It never crossed my mind before I met him, or after. I never heard him sing it before I recorded it. I didn't associate it with him at all.

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Excerpted from Sinead's new bio.

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No. She just did a cover. She owns that song just as much as Tom Jones owns Kiss.

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Reply #8 posted 05/28/21 3:37am

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JorisE73 said:



CynicKill said:


I never thought about it like this before, but methinks she has a point.


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Later, you recall a scary incident with Prince — who wrote your No. 1 hit "Nothing Compares 2 U" — in which you say he chased you at his L.A. home. Did you consider not performing the song after that?






No because the song wasn't his, it was mine. It's my song. It never crossed my mind before I met him, or after. I never heard him sing it before I recorded it. I didn't associate it with him at all.




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Excerpted from Sinead's new bio.


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No. She just did a cover. She owns that song just as much as Tom Jones owns Kiss.



The who owns what? Yes agreed, both are covers. One should be lauded for being a tour de force performance, the other should be wiped out from all human memory.
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Reply #9 posted 05/28/21 6:49am

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PJMcGee said:

In a way, she's right. In the same way Respect is Aretha's and All Along the Watchtower is Jimi's, NC2U belongs to her. As far as the mainstream is concerned, she is a one-hit wonder, but I remember alternative stations playing her a lot before then.

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Good examples.

I agree.

Few other ones : Joe Cocker's - ''With A little Help fro My Friends'' (The Beatles),

and like Iggy Pop's version of Grace Jones' - ''Nightcubbing'' is hers too,

also, Randy Newman's - ''You Can Leave your hat'' on is Joe Cocker's now.

And indeed so many others.

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Prince wrote it.

But Sinead made it big, thus hers (imho too).

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #10 posted 05/28/21 6:56am

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She s a one hit wonder, a hit she didn't even wrote.
She builed her whole carreer on this song, she should be more humble.
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Reply #11 posted 05/28/21 7:29am

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Vannormal said:



PJMcGee said:


In a way, she's right. In the same way Respect is Aretha's and All Along the Watchtower is Jimi's, NC2U belongs to her. As far as the mainstream is concerned, she is a one-hit wonder, but I remember alternative stations playing her a lot before then.

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Good examples.


I agree.


Few other ones : Joe Cocker's - ''With A little Help fro My Friends'' (The Beatles),


and like Iggy Pop's version of Grace Jones' - ''Nightcubbing'' is hers too,


also, Randy Newman's - ''You Can Leave your hat'' on is Joe Cocker's now.


And indeed so many others.


Prince wrote it.


But Sinead made it big, thus hers (imho too).




I thought it was interesting how Prince played both All Along the Watchtower and Proud Mary (which Tina took from Creedence) at the Super Bowl. I think he was slyly implying that he was gonna steal the Foo song from them. Which he probably would have if he had ever released it as a single.
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Reply #12 posted 05/28/21 7:36am

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PJMcGee said:

Vannormal said:

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Good examples.

I agree.

Few other ones : Joe Cocker's - ''With A little Help fro My Friends'' (The Beatles),

and like Iggy Pop's version of Grace Jones' - ''Nightcubbing'' is hers too,

also, Randy Newman's - ''You Can Leave your hat'' on is Joe Cocker's now.

And indeed so many others.

Prince wrote it.

But Sinead made it big, thus hers (imho too).

I thought it was interesting how Prince played both All Along the Watchtower and Proud Mary (which Tina took from Creedence) at the Super Bowl. I think he was slyly implying that he was gonna steal the Foo song from them. Which he probably would have if he had ever released it as a single.

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True.

Well... The Estates still can release it as a one-off single. wink

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Reply #13 posted 05/28/21 7:56am

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JorisE73 said:

CynicKill said:

I never thought about it like this before, but methinks she has a point.

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Later, you recall a scary incident with Prince — who wrote your No. 1 hit "Nothing Compares 2 U" — in which you say he chased you at his L.A. home. Did you consider not performing the song after that?

No because the song wasn't his, it was mine. It's my song. It never crossed my mind before I met him, or after. I never heard him sing it before I recorded it. I didn't associate it with him at all.

>

Excerpted from Sinead's new bio.

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQrciluq6i2XJIuDm3wW1DWnf5CI0AW0jQovwps2_KcFeBfFCraFhj5cmTizuRrqVM8S4E&usqp=CAU


No. She just did a cover. She owns that song just as much as Tom Jones owns Kiss.


Kiss was a number one hit recorded by Prince.

Nothing Compares was an album cut tucked away on the backside of a flop album which Sinead elevated to number one as a single and won a Grammy for.

And I love The Family's album but no one's heard that shit. (Meanwhile, her album also went to number one.)

It is also very telling that when all the death tributes to Prince came rolling in five years ago, the artists used HER arrangement and new chords.

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Reply #14 posted 05/28/21 7:58am

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PJMcGee said:

In a way, she's right. In the same way Respect is Aretha's and All Along the Watchtower is Jimi's, NC2U belongs to her. As far as the mainstream is concerned, she is a one-hit wonder, but I remember alternative stations playing her a lot before then.

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Reply #15 posted 05/28/21 8:10am

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The only more recent example I can think of is Jeff Buckley taking Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah. Which I guess isn't that recent.
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Reply #16 posted 05/28/21 9:27am

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Cinny said:

JorisE73 said:


No. She just did a cover. She owns that song just as much as Tom Jones owns Kiss.


Kiss was a number one hit recorded by Prince.

Nothing Compares was an album cut tucked away on the backside of a flop album which Sinead elevated to number one as a single and won a Grammy for.

And I love The Family's album but no one's heard that shit. (Meanwhile, her album also went to number one.)

It is also very telling that when all the death tributes to Prince came rolling in five years ago, the artists used HER arrangement and new chords.

Again it was the right timing, the SONG is good because of the writing, and also that video was always something that elevated it, simple a face heart felt etc...it was a perfect timing and a match, but by no means do I give her more credit than that. Having heard Paul Peterson do this song without the FAMILY its a million times better, he did it here in NYC almost accapella the day NYC shut down to Covid restrictions, was the last show NYC hosted then March 11 2020. I get the appeal of her version THEN but honestly I have never listened to again since those days when it was out, it was a moment and also very overplayed and boring to me. But again I give her credit for doing it that way, and it was good choices by her label to do the video like that, dont sleep on the MTV exposure he gave a lot of people LIFE that never would have been heard or seen.


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Reply #17 posted 05/29/21 11:06am

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She s a one hit wonder, a hit she didn't even wrote.
She builed her whole carreer on this song, she should be more humble.
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Reply #18 posted 05/29/21 6:33pm

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"His problem is that I did a song of his without him being involved",O'Connor says."He's jealous.I think that,frankly,that song saved his fucking ass.He was in serious financial trouble until that song happened"

disbelief she has always been delusional.And what a nasty mouth she has!

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Reply #19 posted 05/30/21 9:51am

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No she's not. It doesn't matter what she made out of it, without prince she wouldn't have had this song in the first place. He created it, tossed it to the family (Big fucking mistake btw) and they flopped. There's also the chance that her version could've flopped, I'd love to know if she'd claim the song then too.

His version with Rosie Gaines knocks it out of the park anyway.

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Reply #20 posted 05/30/21 10:38am

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No she's not. It doesn't matter what she made out of it, without prince she wouldn't have had this song in the first place. He created it, tossed it to the family (Big fucking mistake btw) and they flopped. There's also the chance that her version could've flopped, I'd love to know if she'd claim the song then too.

His version with Rosie Gaines knocks it out of the park anyway.

Don't think so.

In December 1990, Billboard named "Nothing Compares 2 U" as the "#1 World Single" of 1990. There's a reason why.


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Reply #21 posted 05/31/21 2:33am

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Her version is hers, she's the reason it's an international hit, it's Prince's song. She hasn't had any other major international hits, but that doesn't mean she isn't an excellent artist with a big fanbase. Criminal is pretty much Fiona Apple's only hit and critics and half the internet spent most of last year raving about her hit-less latest album. Hits ain't everything.




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I don’t think the reason she didn’t have a hit was due to lack of quality material, she had plenty. But the minute she decided to go against the Catholic Church on national tv - which was a ballsy move - cost her the support of the hit machine, I firmly believe that had she not done that performance, her career would’ve been fruitful with hits from the material she already had and this superficial rhetorical “well what else did she make?” discourse wouldn’t take place.
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Reply #23 posted 05/31/21 3:56am

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jaawwnn said:

Her version is hers, she's the reason it's an international hit, it's Prince's song. She hasn't had any other major international hits, but that doesn't mean she isn't an excellent artist with a big fanbase. Criminal is pretty much Fiona Apple's only hit and critics and half the internet spent most of last year raving about her hit-less latest album. Hits ain't everything.




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Yeah, but in the interview I've read she kinda dismissed the fact that he wrote it in the first place. When the interviewer said something like that she pretty much said: "No, it is my song." And that's not correct. She made a version of it, but it will never be her song at all. Her version is hers, but frankly, she wouldn't have been able to cover it if it wasn't there in the first place.

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Hamad said:

I don’t think the reason she didn’t have a hit was due to lack of quality material, she had plenty. But the minute she decided to go against the Catholic Church on national tv - which was a ballsy move - cost her the support of the hit machine, I firmly believe that had she not done that performance, her career would’ve been fruitful with hits from the material she already had and this superficial rhetorical “well what else did she make?” discourse wouldn’t take place.

Agree! and I'm not sure she should have ever had the kind of fame the NC2U gave her, it might have suited her better to be less famous, her music isn't exactly aiming for commerical hit after hit.


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Yeah, but in the interview I've read she kinda dismissed the fact that he wrote it in the first place. When the interviewer said something like that she pretty much said: "No, it is my song." And that's not correct. She made a version of it, but it will never be her song at all. Her version is hers, but frankly, she wouldn't have been able to cover it if it wasn't there in the first place.

Yeah, I don't even disagree but sure she "retired" playing it a few years ago and then started again. I wouldn't take anything she says in interviews too seriously, a bit like Prince actually.

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Reply #25 posted 05/31/21 11:45am

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She s a one hit wonder, a hit she didn't even wrote. She builed her whole carreer on this song, she should be more humble.

Troy is very famous in holland, beautiful song.

Guess it didn't do much in other countries.

Maybe she is more of an album artists.

I know a lot of people think she is amazing and not for NCTU.

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nextedition said:

RODSERLING said:

She s a one hit wonder, a hit she didn't even wrote. She builed her whole carreer on this song, she should be more humble.

Troy is very famous in holland, beautiful song.

Guess it didn't do much in other countries.

Maybe she is more of an album artists.

I know a lot of people think she is amazing and not for NCTU.

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Not only ''Troy''

But i often here ''Mandinka'', ''Jackie'', ''

"I Want Your (Hands on Me)"

too smile

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Wasn't Prince's ex-manager (whose name escapes me at the moment)the one who recommended the song to Sinead? Just saying she's awfully lucky. She was relatively an unknown artist before that one hit and wouldn't even be interviewed about anything today or in the past by anyone major if it wasn't for that one song.
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Steve Fargnoli, yeah. I'd say she was more unlucky than lucky with Nothing Compares considering how badly she took to that level of fame. She could have built a slow, steady career where she had some control, like had she been building with Troy and Mandinka if she hadn't jumped straight to international hit. Hindsight is what it is though.

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Reply #29 posted 06/02/21 12:38pm

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Steve Fargnoli, yeah. I'd say she was more unlucky than lucky with Nothing Compares considering how badly she took to that level of fame. She could have built a slow, steady career where she had some control, like had she been building with Troy and Mandinka if she hadn't jumped straight to international hit. Hindsight is what it is though.

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