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Reply #60 posted 02/16/20 8:54am

alphastreet

He also tried to ruin Mariah’s career and voiced that to fans at the fan party he was at. Tommy was indeed racist and very devilish
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Reply #61 posted 02/16/20 10:44am

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I think there should be a Justice for Butterflies movement where fans stream it one particular day or week and try to help it rechart. After all, it’s almost 20 years since invincible
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Reply #62 posted 02/16/20 10:47am

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RODSERLING said:

Free2BMe said:
Exactly
Absolutely not. Read the true story in the first page.


Absolutely yes. I don't care what you made up on the first page.

OzlemUcucu said:

It's a good rnb song I really can't listen to Mike for some reason. This is partly due to me thinking he's sexless and I can't connect.

Another turn off is the race issue, I know I am listening to a black man but in my head is the image of him as a white man. I sense no authencitiy. All of these make it difficult for me to enjoy his musicsadly, but I can't change it.

Plus, he isn't funky.

If you look at Prince he's oozing with authenticity and race. He always said he's funky and he's black. Now that's the kinda shit you want to hear. lol as opposed to a sexless man.

Anyway, I am not bashing Mike he's genius and he's respected too.

[Edited 2/15/20 21:48pm]


Wow. You should talk to someone about your issues.

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Reply #63 posted 02/16/20 10:50am

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alphastreet said:

I think there should be a Justice for Butterflies movement where fans stream it one particular day or week and try to help it rechart. After all, it’s almost 20 years since invincible

Yeah. That would be cool. We should give him one more #1. A couple of years ago british Rage against the machine fans managed to get one of their song to #1 for christmas. If they can do that, we should be able to do that too.

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Reply #64 posted 02/16/20 11:43am

alphastreet

PatrickS77 said:



alphastreet said:


I think there should be a Justice for Butterflies movement where fans stream it one particular day or week and try to help it rechart. After all, it’s almost 20 years since invincible


Yeah. That would be cool. We should give him one more #1. A couple of years ago british Rage against the machine fans managed to get one of their song to #1 for christmas. If they can do that, we should be able to do that too.



If it went to number one, mj would have been deeply honored for this lol let’s plan one!
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Reply #65 posted 02/16/20 1:11pm

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alphastreet said:

PatrickS77 said:



alphastreet said:


I think there should be a Justice for Butterflies movement where fans stream it one particular day or week and try to help it rechart. After all, it’s almost 20 years since invincible


Yeah. That would be cool. We should give him one more #1. A couple of years ago british Rage against the machine fans managed to get one of their song to #1 for christmas. If they can do that, we should be able to do that too.



If it went to number one, mj would have been deeply honored for this lol let’s plan one!


I like this idea.
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Reply #66 posted 02/16/20 2:04pm

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alphastreet said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yeah. That would be cool. We should give him one more #1. A couple of years ago british Rage against the machine fans managed to get one of their song to #1 for christmas. If they can do that, we should be able to do that too.

If it went to number one, mj would have been deeply honored for this lol let’s plan one!

Yeah. Someone should get on that and get the word out and get it started.

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Reply #67 posted 02/16/20 2:12pm

alphastreet

PatrickS77 said:



alphastreet said:


PatrickS77 said:



Yeah. That would be cool. We should give him one more #1. A couple of years ago british Rage against the machine fans managed to get one of their song to #1 for christmas. If they can do that, we should be able to do that too.



If it went to number one, mj would have been deeply honored for this lol let’s plan one!


Yeah. Someone should get on that and get the word out and get it started.



I wonder who would be the best person to start it on twitter or instagram, maybe even the music account if it’s managed by the estate
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Reply #68 posted 02/16/20 9:54pm

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I think the entire Invincible album is very underrated. The first half of the album especially is just gold. The run of tracks from Break of Dawn - Heaven Can Wait - YRMW - Butterflies - Speechless is one of the best consecutive five track runs on any MJ studio album, up there with the first half of OTW and the last half of Thriller.

I think things get a bit muddy in the second half, and I definitely would've liked to have seen songs like We've Had Enough, Xscape, Hollywood Tonight, Blue Gangster and A Place With No Name take the place of songs like Cry or Don't Walk Away (I quite like that one, but there was stronger material not released on the album).

But overall, I would rank Invincible as one of his strongest latter day albums.

My MJ album rankings go:

1. Off The Wall
2. Thriller
3. HIStory
4. Invincible
5. Dangerous
6. Bad
[Edited 2/16/20 21:54pm]
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Reply #69 posted 02/17/20 2:03am

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alphastreet said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yeah. Someone should get on that and get the word out and get it started.

I wonder who would be the best person to start it on twitter or instagram, maybe even the music account if it’s managed by the estate

Yeah. Someone who has a big reach should get the ball rolling. Probably not the estate, as many hate them.

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Reply #70 posted 02/17/20 4:43am

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alphastreet said:

I think there should be a Justice for Butterflies movement where fans stream it one particular day or week and try to help it rechart. After all, it’s almost 20 years since invincible


The original by Marsha Ambrosius is superior to Jacksons version.
You should check it out if you hadn’t.
There is a demo version by Marsha which Michael basically just remade.
There is also several studio versions by Marsha.
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Reply #71 posted 02/17/20 4:53am

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hausofmoi7 said:

alphastreet said:

I think there should be a Justice for Butterflies movement where fans stream it one particular day or week and try to help it rechart. After all, it’s almost 20 years since invincible


The original by Marsha Ambrosius is superior to Jacksons version.
You should check it out if you hadn’t.
There is a demo version by Marsha which Michael basically just remade.
There is also several studio versions by Marsha.


MJs vocals on Butterflies MAKE the song imo.
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Reply #72 posted 02/17/20 10:15am

alphastreet

hausofmoi7 said:

alphastreet said:

I think there should be a Justice for Butterflies movement where fans stream it one particular day or week and try to help it rechart. After all, it’s almost 20 years since invincible


The original by Marsha Ambrosius is superior to Jacksons version.
You should check it out if you hadn’t.
There is a demo version by Marsha which Michael basically just remade.
There is also several studio versions by Marsha.


Yeah I heard it many years ago and I enjoyed it a lot
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Reply #73 posted 02/17/20 10:16am

alphastreet

MattyJam said:

I think the entire Invincible album is very underrated. The first half of the album especially is just gold. The run of tracks from Break of Dawn - Heaven Can Wait - YRMW - Butterflies - Speechless is one of the best consecutive five track runs on any MJ studio album, up there with the first half of OTW and the last half of Thriller.

I think things get a bit muddy in the second half, and I definitely would've liked to have seen songs like We've Had Enough, Xscape, Hollywood Tonight, Blue Gangster and A Place With No Name take the place of songs like Cry or Don't Walk Away (I quite like that one, but there was stronger material not released on the album).

But overall, I would rank Invincible as one of his strongest latter day albums.

My MJ album rankings go:

1. Off The Wall
2. Thriller
3. HIStory
4. Invincible
5. Dangerous
6. Bad
[Edited 2/16/20 21:54pm]


Yeah I agree the first half is better though the second half has a few standout tracks. I feel fall again should have made the album and replaced you are my life
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Reply #74 posted 02/19/20 9:52am

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alphastreet said:

MattyJam said:

I think the entire Invincible album is very underrated. The first half of the album especially is just gold. The run of tracks from Break of Dawn - Heaven Can Wait - YRMW - Butterflies - Speechless is one of the best consecutive five track runs on any MJ studio album, up there with the first half of OTW and the last half of Thriller.

I think things get a bit muddy in the second half, and I definitely would've liked to have seen songs like We've Had Enough, Xscape, Hollywood Tonight, Blue Gangster and A Place With No Name take the place of songs like Cry or Don't Walk Away (I quite like that one, but there was stronger material not released on the album).

But overall, I would rank Invincible as one of his strongest latter day albums.

My MJ album rankings go:

1. Off The Wall
2. Thriller
3. HIStory
4. Invincible
5. Dangerous
6. Bad
[Edited 2/16/20 21:54pm]


Yeah I agree the first half is better though the second half has a few standout tracks. I feel fall again should have made the album and replaced you are my life


I imagine it would've been important to MJ to have a song about his kids on the album.
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Reply #75 posted 02/19/20 9:54am

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MattyJam said:

alphastreet said:



Yeah I agree the first half is better though the second half has a few standout tracks. I feel fall again should have made the album and replaced you are my life


I imagine it would've been important to MJ to have a song about his kids on the album.


Yeah true it’s about them, but I kind of find it to be a boring song and babyface has done better
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Reply #76 posted 02/19/20 4:27pm

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hausofmoi7 said:

alphastreet said:
I think there should be a Justice for Butterflies movement where fans stream it one particular day or week and try to help it rechart. After all, it’s almost 20 years since invincible
The original by Marsha Ambrosius is superior to Jacksons version. You should check it out if you hadn’t. There is a demo version by Marsha which Michael basically just remade. There is also several studio versions by Marsha.

I actually listened to that on my ChocolateBox Playlist, through my gold Beatz by Dre headphones earlier today while I was in the dentist chair. MJ basically just did the lead vocals and Marsha flawslessly is on the rest & more.

Also I won't participate in making Mj's version number#1 until this site and other groups dedicated to Prince(r.i.p.) gives Prince(r.i.p.) a #1 one single & album. There are PLENTY to choose from!

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Reply #77 posted 02/19/20 5:53pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:



hausofmoi7 said:


alphastreet said:
I think there should be a Justice for Butterflies movement where fans stream it one particular day or week and try to help it rechart. After all, it’s almost 20 years since invincible

The original by Marsha Ambrosius is superior to Jacksons version. You should check it out if you hadn’t. There is a demo version by Marsha which Michael basically just remade. There is also several studio versions by Marsha.

I actually listened to that on my ChocolateBox Playlist, through my gold Beatz by Dre headphones earlier today while I was in the dentist chair. MJ basically just did the lead vocals and Marsha flawslessly is on the rest & more.



Also I won't participate in making Mj's version number#1 until this site and other groups dedicated to Prince(r.i.p.) gives Prince(r.i.p.) a #1 one single & album. There are PLENTY to choose from!


I would definitely support it for prince too if there was a campaign. Maybe for purple rain 40?
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Reply #78 posted 02/19/20 6:48pm

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alphastreet said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I actually listened to that on my ChocolateBox Playlist, through my gold Beatz by Dre headphones earlier today while I was in the dentist chair. MJ basically just did the lead vocals and Marsha flawslessly is on the rest & more.

Also I won't participate in making Mj's version number#1 until this site and other groups dedicated to Prince(r.i.p.) gives Prince(r.i.p.) a #1 one single & album. There are PLENTY to choose from!

I would definitely support it for prince too if there was a campaign. Maybe for purple rain 40?

Will C. wink

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Reply #79 posted 02/20/20 8:30pm

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MattyJam said:

hausofmoi7 said:



The original by Marsha Ambrosius is superior to Jacksons version.
You should check it out if you hadn’t.
There is a demo version by Marsha which Michael basically just remade.
There is also several studio versions by Marsha.


MJs vocals on Butterflies MAKE the song imo.


I agree 100%. I just went back and listened to Marsha’s version, and it was great. However, I also listened to Michael’s version and his VOICE made the song. His vocals and his adlibs are sexy and on point. I am not taking anything away from Marsha because this is a beautiful song written by her and she is a wonderful singer;but, Michael’s voice took Butterflies to another level. His voice has that kind of effect on people. cool
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Reply #80 posted 02/20/20 8:37pm

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Free2BMe said:

MattyJam said:



MJs vocals on Butterflies MAKE the song imo.


I agree 100%. I just went back and listened to Marsha’s version, and it was great. However, I also listened to Michael’s version and his VOICE made the song. His vocals and his adlibs are sexy and on point. I am not taking anything away from Marsha because this is a beautiful song written by her and she is a wonderful singer;but, Michael’s voice took Butterflies to another level. His voice has that kind of effect on people. cool
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It’s definitely not an easy song to sing at all, and both nailed it beautifully for sure
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Reply #81 posted 02/22/20 10:29pm

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Butterflies was a hit in the US thanks to Sony's payola and Eve's remix, and against MJ's bad faith who didn't want to shoot a music video for it. Preventing the song to be a biggest hit than it was already. . Whatever happens would have been a worldwide #1 hit, but neither Sony nor Michael thought about releasing it on single.

Are you from the US?

That song was popular because people (R&B radio and listeners) LOVED the song. The Trackmasters remix with Eve was well recieved but didn't get as much airplay/attention as the album version.

Sony refused to release physical singles for it and You Rock My World in the US (even though CD singles were still very much a thing in 2001 in America) so both singles got their chart positions on airplay only.

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Reply #82 posted 02/22/20 11:31pm

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alphastreet said:

MattyJam said:



I imagine it would've been important to MJ to have a song about his kids on the album.


Yeah true it’s about them, but I kind of find it to be a boring song and babyface has done better


Check out this gorgeous piano cover on Youtube, it really showcases what a great melody the song has. It's like a lullaby:

https://www.youtube.com/w...=emb_title
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Reply #83 posted 02/23/20 12:20am

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His vocals on the second verse. LAWD help me worship doh! eek
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Reply #84 posted 02/23/20 6:07am

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paisleypark4 said:

His vocals on the second verse. LAWD help me worship doh! eek


Also love it!!!
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Reply #85 posted 02/23/20 8:50am

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bboy87 said:



RODSERLING said:


Butterflies was a hit in the US thanks to Sony's payola and Eve's remix, and against MJ's bad faith who didn't want to shoot a music video for it. Preventing the song to be a biggest hit than it was already. . Whatever happens would have been a worldwide #1 hit, but neither Sony nor Michael thought about releasing it on single.

Are you from the US?



That song was popular because people (R&B radio and listeners) LOVED the song. The Trackmasters remix with Eve was well recieved but didn't get as much airplay/attention as the album version.



Sony refused to release physical singles for it and You Rock My World in the US (even though CD singles were still very much a thing in 2001 in America) so both singles got their chart positions on airplay only.



You are 100% correct. Payola had crap to do with Butterflies. R&B radio AND R&B audiences absolutely LOVED the song. DJs played Butterflies DESPITE Sony’s SABOTAGE. R&B fans requested the hell out of that song. FTR, R&B fans bought Invincible BECAUSE of Butterflies. There were people who didn’t even know that Michael had released Invincible, because of Sony sabotaging it, who went out and bought the album because they heard Butterflies and YRMW on radio. Even with all of Mottola’s sabotage, Invincible still outsold most other albums that year. The MJ Estate needs to re-release that album.
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Reply #86 posted 02/23/20 9:06am

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Free2BMe said:

bboy87 said:



RODSERLING said:


Butterflies was a hit in the US thanks to Sony's payola and Eve's remix, and against MJ's bad faith who didn't want to shoot a music video for it. Preventing the song to be a biggest hit than it was already. . Whatever happens would have been a worldwide #1 hit, but neither Sony nor Michael thought about releasing it on single.

Are you from the US?



That song was popular because people (R&B radio and listeners) LOVED the song. The Trackmasters remix with Eve was well recieved but didn't get as much airplay/attention as the album version.



Sony refused to release physical singles for it and You Rock My World in the US (even though CD singles were still very much a thing in 2001 in America) so both singles got their chart positions on airplay only.



You are 100% correct. Payola had crap to do with Butterflies. R&B radio AND R&B audiences absolutely LOVED the song. DJs played Butterflies DESPITE Sony’s SABOTAGE. R&B fans requested the hell out of that song. FTR, R&B fans bought Invincible BECAUSE of Butterflies. There were people who didn’t even know that Michael had released Invincible, because of Sony sabotaging it, who went out and bought the album because they heard Butterflies and YRMW on radio. Even with all of Mottola’s sabotage, Invincible still outsold most other albums that year. The MJ Estate needs to re-release that album.
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I would love for a rerelease to happen. It sold well in spite of the sabotage and was voted album of the decade shortly after his death. It would be cool if it had a double disc and included songs that didn’t make the final cut, just like streetwalker and fly away.
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Reply #87 posted 02/23/20 4:21pm

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alphastreet said:

Free2BMe said:



You are 100% correct. Payola had crap to do with Butterflies. R&B radio AND R&B audiences absolutely LOVED the song. DJs played Butterflies DESPITE Sony’s SABOTAGE. R&B fans requested the hell out of that song. FTR, R&B fans bought Invincible BECAUSE of Butterflies. There were people who didn’t even know that Michael had released Invincible, because of Sony sabotaging it, who went out and bought the album because they heard Butterflies and YRMW on radio. Even with all of Mottola’s sabotage, Invincible still outsold most other albums that year. The MJ Estate needs to re-release that album.
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I would love for a rerelease to happen. It sold well in spite of the sabotage and was voted album of the decade shortly after his death. It would be cool if it had a double disc and included songs that didn’t make the final cut, just like streetwalker and fly away.


I agree. cool
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Reply #88 posted 02/23/20 4:54pm

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It should also include yrmw with Jay z and butterflies with eve. I remember both were played in clubs when they came out, so it would be a nice throwback. Plus demos of the first 3 songs just like on otw would be cool since different objects were used to make the sounds. I feel like they might even outdo the final tracks, if that’s possible
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Reply #89 posted 02/24/20 11:29pm

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alphastreet said:

It should also include yrmw with jay z


Plus MJs unreleased collaboration on Girls Girls Girls feat Jay Z. Always wanted to hear that.

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