jaawwnn said:

In fairness, we still have the original and he's welcome to try and change it as he sees fit, we'll see if it catches on. The Fairytale of New York is still the biggest Christmas song around these parts and it's got a much more problematic line it it, and I (thankfully) haven't heard the sanitized Ronan Keating version in over a decade.

Yes, sadly there are some stations that haven't played it because of people complaining about it.

Don't blast it while driving, you might get a rock through your window...

jaawwnn said:

John Legend defends his 'Baby, It's Cold Outside' remake: 'It wasn't supposed to be preachy at all'

Erin Donnelly

2 days ago

http://www.msn.com/en-us/...ocid=ientp

His updated, pro-consent lyrics to "Baby, It's Cold Outside" — written with Insecure's Natasha Rothwell and sung as a duet with Kelly Clarkson — has been accused of "destroying" Christmas , but John Legend is standing his ground.

"The song was supposed to be silly!" the singer says in a new interview with the Observer in the U.K. "It wasn't supposed to be preachy at all. I never disparaged the old version. And, by the way, the original writer, or his family, gets paid for my version, too."

That'd be Frank Loesser, who wrote the Christmas classic — deemed flirty by fans, and predatory by critics — in 1944. Since then, it's been a holiday favorite sung by the likes of Ella Fitzgerald and Dean Martin, whose daughter Deana Martin called Legend's new lyrics "absolutely absurd." In Legend and Clarkson's version, the male protagonist offers to call his date an Uber when his female date insists she's got to go home.

"It would be fun, and it would be newsworthy," Legend says of the thought process behind updating the song for his new Christmas album. "And — yeah — it was both."

While he may have expected some raised eyebrows over his version of the song, the EGOT-winning star balks at accusations that it's symptomatic of a virtue-signaling culture that has become too politically correct.

"It's interesting," he tells the newspaper, "this whole backlash to the #MeToo movement. People thinking we've gone too far speaking up for a woman's right to not get raped or sexually harassed, when some would argue we've not gone far enough, when we have an admitted sexual assailant in the highest office in the land. People think that because some people have lost their jobs, or have been expelled from Hollywood, like Weinstein, that we've gone too far. I don't agree. But people wanted the 'Baby, It's Cold Outside' war to be a proxy war for all that."

The outspoken Trump critic — recently called a "boring musician" by POTUS — also hit out at criticism that he is too liberal.

"I don't know what virtue signaling is supposed to be," he says. "I get that people don't like people who are overly preachy or overly moralizing. But, in my humble opinion, if you care about people who are often undervalued and overlooked in society, what's so negative about that? There seem to be some who think that standing up for immigrants whose kids are getting locked up in cages is ... some might call that virtue signaling and some might think speaking up against it is absolutely right."

Legend also defended the song in a BUILD Series interview last month, saying, "They saw one line where she's talking about having a drink, and I'm like, 'It's your body, it's your choice.' And I think they wanted it to be part of the political kind of culture wars. If you listen to the song, it's really just a funny update."

OldFriends4Sale said:

Only this generation would find this song "rapey", this generation has no clue how to realize the difference between things, its the generation of FALSE EQUILAVANCEY, which is the most dangerous thing, which is why no one talks anymore, they shout or they take to social media, twitter, and talk like they matter, and then a few thousand or even less make it like its news. The WOKE generation needs to go away already, sorry, but I am liberal too, but I recognize how screwed up this ignorant generation is.

OldFriends4Sale said:

John Legend defends his 'Baby, It's Cold Outside' remake: 'It wasn't supposed to be preachy at all'

Erin Donnelly

2 days ago

http://www.msn.com/en-us/...ocid=ientp

His updated, pro-consent lyrics to "Baby, It's Cold Outside" — written with Insecure's Natasha Rothwell and sung as a duet with Kelly Clarkson — has been accused of "destroying" Christmas , but John Legend is standing his ground.

"The song was supposed to be silly!" the singer says in a new interview with the Observer in the U.K. "It wasn't supposed to be preachy at all. I never disparaged the old version. And, by the way, the original writer, or his family, gets paid for my version, too."

That'd be Frank Loesser, who wrote the Christmas classic — deemed flirty by fans, and predatory by critics — in 1944. Since then, it's been a holiday favorite sung by the likes of Ella Fitzgerald and Dean Martin, whose daughter Deana Martin called Legend's new lyrics "absolutely absurd." In Legend and Clarkson's version, the male protagonist offers to call his date an Uber when his female date insists she's got to go home.

"It would be fun, and it would be newsworthy," Legend says of the thought process behind updating the song for his new Christmas album. "And — yeah — it was both."

While he may have expected some raised eyebrows over his version of the song, the EGOT-winning star balks at accusations that it's symptomatic of a virtue-signaling culture that has become too politically correct.

"It's interesting," he tells the newspaper, "this whole backlash to the #MeToo movement. People thinking we've gone too far speaking up for a woman's right to not get raped or sexually harassed, when some would argue we've not gone far enough, when we have an admitted sexual assailant in the highest office in the land. People think that because some people have lost their jobs, or have been expelled from Hollywood, like Weinstein, that we've gone too far. I don't agree. But people wanted the 'Baby, It's Cold Outside' war to be a proxy war for all that."

The outspoken Trump critic — recently called a "boring musician" by POTUS — also hit out at criticism that he is too liberal.

"I don't know what virtue signaling is supposed to be," he says. "I get that people don't like people who are overly preachy or overly moralizing. But, in my humble opinion, if you care about people who are often undervalued and overlooked in society, what's so negative about that? There seem to be some who think that standing up for immigrants whose kids are getting locked up in cages is ... some might call that virtue signaling and some might think speaking up against it is absolutely right."

Legend also defended the song in a BUILD Series interview last month, saying, "They saw one line where she's talking about having a drink, and I'm like, 'It's your body, it's your choice.' And I think they wanted it to be part of the political kind of culture wars. If you listen to the song, it's really just a funny update."

Legend has a point. I actually think more men need to start speaking out against the harassment of women. Enough is enough, and we as women have had enough.

The remake was supposed to be funny. I don't think there was anything wrong with the original.

It shouldn't be a too far left thing or a too far right thing, it's about human decency, which we already know Trump doesn't have.

I seriously don't think the #metoo movement has went far enough....because it's STILL happening.

Stuff like this is also why we LOSE elections. Because this kind of nonsense looks like "elite" behavior or superior moralistic judgement, when its just a damn song, its not Harvey Weinstein behavior there is a huge difference and sadly no one can actually decipher or is bright enough. So if we are going to do this can we re-record about 90% RAP that talks about bitches, and smacking ass, and F this and that and is nothing but talking about "getting women" and treating them like nothing. And don't tell me thats different, because that says it straight out.

All great points people.

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We are so mechanical and social media induced that we are loosing the simple sensual human connections of budding romances and flirtation.

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Yes John is preaching lol And he just deflected the attention from this song to Trump. Has nothing to do with Trump.

Your name is a lie John Legend

Yes there will always be the removal of the scene in Purple Rain where Prince slaps Apollonia, the dumpster scene is gone for sure, they are going to edit clothes on to Apollonia 6 rather than have them in Lingerie a new remaster will be done with CGI and it will be called "Purple Rain" the woke anniversary edition.

'"It would be fun, and it would be newsworthy," Legend says...'

The bolded part is right there the WORST thing about this. He did it purely to get attention. I thought this guy's music was crap already - and though I found him slightly less annoying in La La Land, this tips him right back over into being useless again. Reason enough for me to never bother listening to his version of this Christmas classic.

Now, where's the great Dean Martin version and the "+ volume" button?

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lastdecember said:

EmmaMcG said:

lastdecember said:

Yes there will always be the removal of the scene

Editing movies is not a new thing. The Sunflower scenes in Disney's Fantasia were cut a long time ago, and has never been in any home video version, nor shown on TV. Disney will also not show Song Of The South on their new channel. There's a lot of old cartoon shorts, like the Censored 11, and also the 1950s TV show Amos n Andy, that have long been hidden. Amos n Andy was cancelled in the first place because of complaints by the NAACP. It is not in syndicated reruns either. Ironically the movie Check And Double Check with the original white radio actors of Amos n Andy in blackface is in print, but the TV show with black actors can only be bought as low quality public domain copies, which doesn't have all of the episodes anyway. Amos n Andy has a bad reputaion today because of this and a lot of people today has never actually seen the show. It's not like a Stepin Fechit kind of thing. Amos n Andy is not even like Tyler Perry sitcoms like Meet The Browns or Martin from the 1990s. It's not much different from The Flintstones. On the TV edit of the 1970s movie Car Wash, most of the scenes with the crossdresser were cut and replaced with some unused scenes with Danny Devito, who is not in the original edit at all. Pre-1970s it was common for movies at the theater & TV shows shown in the southern USA to have the black actors cut from them. I've read that 1 episode from the original Hawaii Five-0 was left off the DVD set and it has never been rerun either because it was about suicide. In music there was the disco demolition & riot, the Dixie chicks being banned from country radio because they talked about Dubya, the 2 Live Crew being arrested because of their songs, Elvis Presley being shown waist up, people burning Beatle records & posters in the 1960s, etc. So the public has always complained about entertainment. It's just the internet, social media, and having the regular news talk about it has given it more publicity.

onlyforaminute said:

onlyforaminute said:

onlyforaminute said:

lastdecember said:

Yes there will always be the removal of the scene in Purple Rain where Prince slaps Apollonia, the dumpster scene is gone for sure, they are going to edit clothes on to Apollonia 6 rather than have them in Lingerie a new remaster will be done with CGI and it will be called "Purple Rain" the woke anniversary edition.

Well in all fairness, those scenes have never been romanticized or seen as some kind of desirable gestures. Doubt any woman hopes a big strong man whisk her away to throw her in a dumpster.

Cracks me up every time.

lastdecember said:

Yes there will always be the removal of the scene in Purple Rain where Prince slaps Apollonia, the dumpster scene is gone for sure,

To be fair, that dumpster scene is more cringey and WTF than funny, and it doesn't get a lot of laughs except in that context. The abuse of Apollonia actually moves the plot along as a major fight and also a realization for the protagonist, so they won't go. She stands up to him later.

Took some friends to see Purple Rain showing in the theatre this year. One was born in 1990 so didn't know about aaaany of this mess.

I ordered a cup of millennial tears with extra cringe.

They said they only sell them by the gallon.

Someone should re-write the song and make it more "rapey" just to piss them off.

PennyPurple said:

Dude signed an advertising contract with P&G this year, he lost any moral high ground right there.

But it's fine, there's worse things in this world than a third rate Smokey Robinson making a stand for womens rights, no matter how clumsily he's doing it. Like people on here like to say anytime anything is banned, if you don't like it then don't listen

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Legend is virtue signaling. That is the sort of thing that people are sick of. At best, its egocentric and at worst, its disingenuous.
The song is being re-interpreted and judged by today's societal tone and that is a problem. In an era where decency was the general code of conduct, the song is interpreted as it should be - a slightly naughty and playful but innocently-intended tune designed to inspire cuddling.
Under the tinge of 3rd wave feminism, where every other male is a rapist, its seen as a predatory attempt to rape (because most men are rapists under 3rd wave feminism). People are sick of this twisting of things to fit an agenda. If you could travel back to when the song was created and suggest this, everyone would be horrified at the thought and would kick you out of the room for your brash vulgarity in suggesting such a thing. That is not to say that there were no rapists nor is it to belittle real victims of the crime. Its just that it was not (and still is not) mainstream thinking nor is it permissive behavior.
People are just sick of this sort of thing: viewing everything through a victim lens.
You're not righting a wrong by redoing a song that wasn't wrong in its proper context and era. The wrong is taking it out of context and twisting it to fit an agenda and then virtue signaling to others for brownie points. Artists used to cherish freedom of speech, especially in music. I guess doing it for "the likes" is new order of the day for some.

Its actually offensive to people with common sense to do stuff like this.

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I wonder if millenials are misinterpreting the original lyrics , particulaly the line, "Say, what's in this drink?"

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paligap said:

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I wonder if millenials are misinterpreting the original lyrics , particulaly the line, "Say, what's in this drink?"

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paligap said:

I wonder if millenials are misinterpreting the original lyrics , particulaly the line, "Say, what's in this drink?"

There's a local radio station that plays old hits from the 1970s to the early 2000s and they play Funky Cold Medina by Tone Lōc all the time. I guess the main listeners for that station isn't the Tumblr or Lipstick Alley #ADOS audience

paligap said:

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I wonder if millenials are misinterpreting the original lyrics , particulaly the line, "Say, what's in this drink?"

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Highly likely. Back then, it would have meant alcohol and possibly the act of pretending not to know in a wink-nod fashion.

Nowadays, people think flunitrazepam (roofies), which wasn't invented until the 60s.

Let's not even entertain the nonsense pseudo-reasoning for this mess.

Some people just want to bitch about stuff for attention.