PeteSilas said:

Michael was never passive. Just because he didn’t curse people out publicly, doesn’t mean he was passive. He always asserted himself and defended himself. People always have the false impression that you have to be rude, obnoxious and aggressive in order to assert yourself. Nothing could be further from the truth. Michael was a
“Quiet Storm” who asserted himself in his own way and it was always powerful.

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

I agree with everything you said, except you forgot to mention that Janet went along with Randy’s deception and was completely complicit in the “Granny Gate”episode when Katherine came up missing. Her fingerprints were all over that episode as a co-mastermind with Randy. Rebbie and Jermaine were equally involved.
However, Randy and Janet were the leaders of the Granny Gate/ attempted coup of Michael’s estate.
Just wanted to add that Brooke Shields said Michael’s family hurt him more than anyone, and this was before the false allegations.
[Edited 2/9/19 19:19pm]

Free2BMe said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

Randy was the mastermind behind the badgering Michael to tour. He kept harassing Michael and trying to break into his house. He was also the one behind the drug addict thing. The goal? Claim MJ was an addict and AEG, knowing about this, got him a personal no holds-barred doctor thus feeding him the venom, and pressured him immensely precipitating his drug use and leading to his death. This was the family's argument to sue (and get $) AEG which is why the junkie image was created.

As for Joe, don't be fooled into thinking for a second that he had Michael's best interests at heart. As soon as he heard MJ was going to do a set of shows, he kept harassing his son, sometimes spending entire days with his buddy Leonard Rowe trying to enter Michael's house< and get a piece of the pie. He eventually managed to get a reunion with MJ where he pressured him to make Leonard Rowe his manager for the This Is It shows, his own way of trying to get a slice. Michael then fired Rowe who sued him (with Joe in the background) for 300$, meaning Michael was being sued indirectly by his father when he died.

This is the Jacksons. Remember all those negative tabloid news about Michael during his last months? Any guesses as to was behind them? Yep: the Jacksons themselves. Joe and his buddy Rowe tried to destroy the This Is It shows as soon as they realized there was no money for them selling stories about how Michael was uncapable of performing and how rehearsals were horrible. And our beloved Randy threatened Michael multiple times: "If you don't do what we want I'll go to the tabloids.". Rebbie, at least, was upfront as she explicitly backed Stacy Brown. Lovely family, ain't it?

I agree with everything you said, except you forgot to mention that Janet went along with Randy’s deception and was completely complicit in the “Granny Gate”episode when Katherine came up missing. Her fingerprints were all over that episode as a co-mastermind with Randy. Rebbie and Jermaine were equally involved. However, Randy and Janet were the leaders of the Granny Gate/ attempted coup of Michael’s estate. Just wanted to add that Brooke Shields said Michael’s family hurt him more than anyone, and this was before the false allegations. [Edited 2/9/19 19:19pm]

Wise words from MJs drummer

Jonathan Moffett‏ @jmoffettmjm 1h1 hour ago

[Edited 2/9/19 19:21pm]

Free2BMe said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

Randy was the mastermind behind the badgering Michael to tour. He kept harassing Michael and trying to break into his house. He was also the one behind the drug addict thing. The goal? Claim MJ was an addict and AEG, knowing about this, got him a personal no holds-barred doctor thus feeding him the venom, and pressured him immensely precipitating his drug use and leading to his death. This was the family's argument to sue (and get $) AEG which is why the junkie image was created.

As for Joe, don't be fooled into thinking for a second that he had Michael's best interests at heart. As soon as he heard MJ was going to do a set of shows, he kept harassing his son, sometimes spending entire days with his buddy Leonard Rowe trying to enter Michael's house< and get a piece of the pie. He eventually managed to get a reunion with MJ where he pressured him to make Leonard Rowe his manager for the This Is It shows, his own way of trying to get a slice. Michael then fired Rowe who sued him (with Joe in the background) for 300$, meaning Michael was being sued indirectly by his father when he died.

This is the Jacksons. Remember all those negative tabloid news about Michael during his last months? Any guesses as to was behind them? Yep: the Jacksons themselves. Joe and his buddy Rowe tried to destroy the This Is It shows as soon as they realized there was no money for them selling stories about how Michael was uncapable of performing and how rehearsals were horrible. And our beloved Randy threatened Michael multiple times: "If you don't do what we want I'll go to the tabloids.". Rebbie, at least, was upfront as she explicitly backed Stacy Brown. Lovely family, ain't it?

I agree with everything you said, except you forgot to mention that Janet went along with Randy’s deception and was completely complicit in the “Granny Gate”episode when Katherine came up missing. Her fingerprints were all over that episode as a co-mastermind with Randy. Rebbie and Jermaine were equally involved. However, Randy and Janet were the leaders of the Granny Gate/ attempted coup of Michael’s estate.

That was the culmination of their attempts to get their hands on the estate. Remember when they set up a charity as a way of getting the 20% Michael left to charities? And then they set up a show to which fans could only get tickets if they donated to it. The criteria to get those tickets was the donation amount: the more a fan donated, the greater the chance of getting a ticket! Needless to say, the charity wasn't even properly registered. They came uo with so many strategies to get a piece of the pie it's actually hillarious!

Randy is something else. And don't forget he took advantage of the trial to be in charge of the MJ empire. He was the one calling the shots in those dark years (2003-2005) with results ranging from involvement with the Nation of Islam, firing long-term employees, attempting to get money from fans, etc..

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Goddess4Real said:

Free2BMe said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said: I agree with everything you said, except you forgot to mention that Janet went along with Randy’s deception and was completely complicit in the “Granny Gate”episode when Katherine came up missing. Her fingerprints were all over that episode as a co-mastermind with Randy. Rebbie and Jermaine were equally involved. However, Randy and Janet were the leaders of the Granny Gate/ attempted coup of Michael’s estate. Just wanted to add that Brooke Shields said Michael’s family hurt him more than anyone, and this was before the false allegations. [Edited 2/9/19 19:19pm]

Wise words from MJs drummer

Jonathan Moffett‏ @jmoffettmjm 1h1 hour ago

Friendly reminder to some of you on here: there’s no point in getting involved in long, strenuous and endless debates that don’t go anywhere with toxic people. You don’t deserve the stress...and they don’t deserve your time! Don’t fall into their trap.

[Edited 2/9/19 19:21pm]

They certainly won't have my time. There is no point to it anyway. This documentary is the definitive, shattering punch on MJ's casket, i.e., it's the end of Michael Jackson as we know him. Add to this doc the endless "news" stemming from RadarOnline and you get the picture. On Friday, it was about how MJ raped "thousands of terminally-ill and disabled children since his teens" (it hurts me to even write such a horrible thing and the "news" are obviously false). No joke, that was the headline of the day on the aforementioned tabloid on Friday. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read it but it was there and it was going viral just like the false stories about MJ possessing child pornography.

Free2BMe said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

Randy was the mastermind behind the badgering Michael to tour. He kept harassing Michael and trying to break into his house. He was also the one behind the drug addict thing. The goal? Claim MJ was an addict and AEG, knowing about this, got him a personal no holds-barred doctor thus feeding him the venom, and pressured him immensely precipitating his drug use and leading to his death. This was the family's argument to sue (and get $) AEG which is why the junkie image was created.

As for Joe, don't be fooled into thinking for a second that he had Michael's best interests at heart. As soon as he heard MJ was going to do a set of shows, he kept harassing his son, sometimes spending entire days with his buddy Leonard Rowe trying to enter Michael's house< and get a piece of the pie. He eventually managed to get a reunion with MJ where he pressured him to make Leonard Rowe his manager for the This Is It shows, his own way of trying to get a slice. Michael then fired Rowe who sued him (with Joe in the background) for 300$, meaning Michael was being sued indirectly by his father when he died.

This is the Jacksons. Remember all those negative tabloid news about Michael during his last months? Any guesses as to was behind them? Yep: the Jacksons themselves. Joe and his buddy Rowe tried to destroy the This Is It shows as soon as they realized there was no money for them selling stories about how Michael was uncapable of performing and how rehearsals were horrible. And our beloved Randy threatened Michael multiple times: "If you don't do what we want I'll go to the tabloids.". Rebbie, at least, was upfront as she explicitly backed Stacy Brown. Lovely family, ain't it?

I agree with everything you said, except you forgot to mention that Janet went along with Randy’s deception and was completely complicit in the “Granny Gate”episode when Katherine came up missing. Her fingerprints were all over that episode as a co-mastermind with Randy. Rebbie and Jermaine were equally involved. However, Randy and Janet were the leaders of the Granny Gate/ attempted coup of Michael’s estate. Just wanted to add that Brooke Shields said Michael’s family hurt him more than anyone, and this was before the false allegations. [Edited 2/9/19 19:19pm]

catch me up on granny gate, i was out the loop by that time, i heard about it but didn't analyze it, what was they up to? need some real talk about this, not no fanatics.

Free2BMe said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

Randy was the mastermind behind the badgering Michael to tour. He kept harassing Michael and trying to break into his house. He was also the one behind the drug addict thing. The goal? Claim MJ was an addict and AEG, knowing about this, got him a personal no holds-barred doctor thus feeding him the venom, and pressured him immensely precipitating his drug use and leading to his death. This was the family's argument to sue (and get $) AEG which is why the junkie image was created.

As for Joe, don't be fooled into thinking for a second that he had Michael's best interests at heart. As soon as he heard MJ was going to do a set of shows, he kept harassing his son, sometimes spending entire days with his buddy Leonard Rowe trying to enter Michael's house< and get a piece of the pie. He eventually managed to get a reunion with MJ where he pressured him to make Leonard Rowe his manager for the This Is It shows, his own way of trying to get a slice. Michael then fired Rowe who sued him (with Joe in the background) for 300$, meaning Michael was being sued indirectly by his father when he died.

This is the Jacksons. Remember all those negative tabloid news about Michael during his last months? Any guesses as to was behind them? Yep: the Jacksons themselves. Joe and his buddy Rowe tried to destroy the This Is It shows as soon as they realized there was no money for them selling stories about how Michael was uncapable of performing and how rehearsals were horrible. And our beloved Randy threatened Michael multiple times: "If you don't do what we want I'll go to the tabloids.". Rebbie, at least, was upfront as she explicitly backed Stacy Brown. Lovely family, ain't it?

I agree with everything you said, except you forgot to mention that Janet went along with Randy’s deception and was completely complicit in the “Granny Gate”episode when Katherine came up missing. Her fingerprints were all over that episode as a co-mastermind with Randy. Rebbie and Jermaine were equally involved. However, Randy and Janet were the leaders of the Granny Gate/ attempted coup of Michael’s estate. Just wanted to add that Brooke Shields said Michael’s family hurt him more than anyone, and this was before the false allegations. [Edited 2/9/19 19:19pm]

odd to hear randy all up in the mix, i always thought he was the baby who hero worshipped Mike, who's stacy brown? Rebbie has kept a pretty low profile and seems to be the most well adjusted of them all to me.

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

Free2BMe said:

PeteSilas said: Yes, he was out of touch with family, except his mother. The rest were badgering him to do a tour with them. They were threatening him if he didn’t that they would feed lies to the tabloid media, which Randy and others did. He not only had to watch other people around him, he had to watch his own family. No wonder he couldn’t sleep!😡

Randy was the mastermind behind the badgering Michael to tour. He kept harassing Michael and trying to break into his house. He was also the one behind the drug addict thing. The goal? Claim MJ was an addict and AEG, knowing about this, got him a personal no holds-barred doctor thus feeding him the venom, and pressured him immensely precipitating his drug use and leading to his death. This was the family's argument to sue (and get $) AEG which is why the junkie image was created.

As for Joe, don't be fooled into thinking for a second that he had Michael's best interests at heart. As soon as he heard MJ was going to do a set of shows, he kept harassing his son, sometimes spending entire days with his buddy Leonard Rowe trying to enter Michael's house and get a piece of the pie. He eventually managed to get a reunion with MJ where he pressured him, successfully, into making Leonard Rowe his manager for the This Is It shows, his own way of trying to get a slice. Michael then fired Rowe who sued him (with Joe in the background) for 300M$, meaning Michael was being sued indirectly by his father when he died. I even remember Leonard Rowe, standing with Joe Jackson at his side, comparing MJ to a cocaine addict.

This is the Jacksons. Remember all those negative tabloid news about Michael during his last months? Any guesses as to was behind them? Yep: the Jacksons themselves. Joe and his buddy Rowe tried to destroy the This Is It shows as soon as they realized there was no money for them selling stories about how Michael was uncapable of performing and how rehearsals were going horribly, etc. And our beloved Randy threatened Michael multiple times: "If you don't do what we want I'll go to the tabloids.". Rebbie, at least, was upfront as she explicitly backed Stacy Brown. Lovely family, ain't it?

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alphastreet said:

if they were worried anout being sued, there would be no documentary... there's just too much smoke to ignore the fire...

RJOrion said:

alphastreet said:

I hope hbo gets sued

if they were worried anout being sued, there would be no documentary... there's just too much smoke to ignore the fire...

"Too much smoke"- herein lies the problem. I've been reading some things in the last day or two and, yes, there is a lot of smoke. There are behaviors I simply can't explain without MJ coming out as what he is being accused of. I still mantain faith in him though because all the accusers have severe credility issues. Does anyone really think MJ would call on Robson to be the first witness in the trial of his life if he had molested him? Gavin Arvizo isn't believed even by the so-called haters and got destroyed in court and Jimmy Safechuck was just jumping on the Robson gravy train. Jordan Chandler though...there are some very disturbing things around his story even though he too has some shady things going on. I don't think MJ did it, but for the life of me there are things I don't understand.

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

Michael Jackson had/has more credibility issues than any of rhe accusers he has tried to silence, discredit, slander, pay off.

modified said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

"Too much smoke"- herein lies the problem. ... because all the accusers have severe credility issues ...

Michael Jackson had/has more credibility issues than any of rhe accusers he has tried to silence, discredit, slander, pay off.

I definitely see your point. Here we have a man who said he was dating Brooke Shields on National TV. A man who said he only had two plastic surgeries and that he had a relationship with Blanket's mother just to say, some time later, that he she was a surrogate. A man who claimed his sleepovers were no more than slumber parties when even the three men who testified in court on his behalf admitted to hundreds of nights of one-on-one sleepovers. I can see where you're coming from.

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It's a sad story, a tragedy all around.

Free2BMe said:

What was the point of the Granny Gate? What was the point in kidnapping Katherine Jackson? How was this supposed to serve Janet Randy and co?

If only the estate did what I m asking for ten 10 years now : an anthology like series telling the whole MJ s carreer, airing for multiple seasons on HBO.
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Then HBo couldn't have broadcast this documentary for obvious credibility issues

RODSERLING said:

Free2BMe said:

I agree with everything you said, except you forgot to mention that Janet went along with Randy’s deception and was completely complicit in the “Granny Gate”episode when Katherine came up missing. Her fingerprints were all over that episode as a co-mastermind with Randy. Rebbie and Jermaine were equally involved. However, Randy and Janet were the leaders of the Granny Gate/ attempted coup of Michael’s estate. Just wanted to add that Brooke Shields said Michael’s family hurt him more than anyone, and this was before the false allegations. [Edited 2/9/19 19:19pm]

What was the point of the Granny Gate? What was the point in kidnapping Katherine Jackson? How was this supposed to serve Janet Randy and co?

ONLY person Katherine EVER said kidnapped her was her nephew Trent Jackson. She has NEVER said JANET,Randy or Rebbie did that.

I used to be a fan but don’t play his music as much as I used to. I don’t want to believe what’s written about him but lots of the information out there disturbs me deeply

For one a grown man does not share his bedroom with other peoples kids - it’s a big no no!!!
Secondly he alsways played the victim which is also another tactic used by perpetrators.

Ive only personally known on paedophile in my life and it was a shock to me and all those that knew him. They know how to hide in plain site

Whether he was guilty or not - we may never know but he shouldn’t have put himself in that situation.
A very close friend stayed in the same hotel as MJ and his 5 Year was invited to his penthouse for a kids party. Kids only and my friend was refused entry. My friend refused to let him go. I would have done the same if it was MJ or Prince or any other megastar.

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

but for the life of me there are things I don't understand.

Who's to say that you have to understand everything? Who's to say that not understanding everything makes him a criminal/pervert/pedophile? And who's to say that he has to tell the world about his personal business (sugeries, personal relatuonships, parentage of his kids and so on)?

Madhouse6 said:

I used to be a fan but don’t play his music as much as I used to. I don’t want to believe what’s written about him but lots of the information out there disturbs me deeply For one a grown man does not share his bedroom with other peoples kids - it’s a big no no!!! Secondly he alsways played the victim which is also another tactic used by perpetrators. Ive only personally known on paedophile in my life and it was a shock to me and all those that knew him. They know how to hide in plain site Whether he was guilty or not - we may never know but he shouldn’t have put himself in that situation. A very close friend stayed in the same hotel as MJ and his 5 Year was invited to his penthouse for a kids party. Kids only and my friend was refused entry. My friend refused to let him go. I would have done the same if it was MJ or Prince or any other megastar.

good for your friend, but i keep going back to why are there so few kids who say something happened and that money is always a factor when the disgruntled ex-employees come around. I really don't think robson has any credibility, arvizo and family was totally fraudulent, why people call guys like that "smoke" is beyond me. Now, if chandler and some other folks come out i might change my mind but I really don't see good evidence and a docu that is that onesided doesn't do it's own job in the first place. why not interview Culkin, feldman and all these kids who were around him who stick up for him, people even said they saw michael abusing culkin, who always scoffs at the idea, always.

bonatoc said:

206Michelle said:

What bothered me even more, and what I think should bother any rational person, is the recording of the so-called victim’s father saying: “if I go through with this, I WIN big”. What REAL victim’s father would be saying that instead of “ I’m going to kill that MFer for abusing my son. Evan Chandler had asked Michael weeks before to finance a film that he was involved in. Michael refused and this is when Evan Chandler came up with the allegations. In case you don’t know, it was Evan Chandler, not Jordan who came up with the allegations. I have never understood why people are too biased to understand that the settlement(paid by Michael’s insurance company because Michael told them he wS paying them anything) did NOT stop Chandler from filing criminal years. Evan could have gotten his money and taken MJ to court. Of course, Chandler only wanted to extort money and that’s what he got. That’s what should bother decent and moral people.

modified said:

Surely you jest! Michael doesn’t have credibility issues. He has proof and evidence that these accuser’s are liars and extortionists. Maybe you have been in a bubble or drug induced trance and haven’t seen all of the lies, changing of stories, extortion attempts by your friends Robson, and Safechuck. Btw, no one has tried to silence, slander or pay off these two extortionist.Only FACTS and evidence have been presented. It’s there for all to see, except people like you who WANT these pedophilic fantasies to be true. Btw, it was Wade who tried to extort a dead man for 1.5 BILLION dollars(public records). Get your facts straight before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

Madhouse6 said:

Sorry, I find your friends “story”suspect. Michael always allowed parents to be with their children. Even the extortionists parents have said they were with their kids. There is no way in hell that Michael would invite a FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD to a party and tell the parent That they are banned. I don’t believe it.

PeteSilas said:

I agree with everything that you said. However, Chandler “coming out” wouldn’t give any credence to any of the lies that Robson and Safechuck are spewing. There is even more evidence that Evan Chandler was the originator of the 1993 scam. Of course, he had the full cooperation and participation from the tabloid whore Dian Demon and the NAMBLA advocate Victor Guitterez. In fact, the new SCRIPT by Robson and Safechuck are basically word for word from Guitterez’s book. Evan Chandler helped portray his OWN son as then”lover” of his so-called abuser. The words in Guitterez’s book came from the sick minds of Evan Chandler, V. Guitterez and Dian Demon.
I ask a simple question: “ what father of a real victim would allow and perpetuate his son as the “lover” of his abuser?” THAT is exactly what Evan Chandler did. He was as much the author of that disgusting book as Guitterez was. Is it any wonder that his own son, Jordan, emancipated himself from him and didn’t want to have anything to do with him. Let’s not forget that Evan tried to Kill Jordan because he wanted more of the blood money than was given to him. It was poetic justice when that piece of trash, Evan, killed himself. The 1993 scam had has much credibility as the 2019 scam-ZERO!😡

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Paris and Prince said it

It's hard not to be suspicious of either side. How can one argue fo MJ when in 93 Jordie Chandler gave an almost accurate description of MJ's genitals even mentioning that MJ had a brown splotch on the underside of his penis? Which was confirmed at the autopsy. How can we explain that? Only thing he didn't nail was saying that MJ was circumcised. If it really happened, would one have expected him to really know? And what was MJ doing sleeping with somebody else's child in the first place? You want children? Whatever happened to adopting? At the same time, the tape-recorded conversation of the boy's father back in 93 is straight-up suspect. And these jokers claiming repressed memory, saying they didn't recognize it as sexual abuse. Seriously? It took you that long? Not even on the witness stand? Didn't it dawn upon you then that it was the same thing that had been done to you? To me, the water is still murky

wilmer said:

It's hard not to be suspicious of either side. How can one argue fo MJ when in 93 Jordie Chandler gave an almost accurate description of MJ's genitals even mentioning that MJ had a brown splotch on the underside of his penis? Which was confirmed at the autopsy. How can we explain that? Only thing he didn't nail was saying that MJ was circumcised. If it really happened, would one have expected him to really know? And what was MJ doing sleeping with somebody else's child in the first place? You want children? Whatever happened to adopting? At the same time, the tape-recorded conversation of the boy's father back in 93 is straight-up suspect. And these jokers claiming repressed memory, saying they didn't recognize it as sexual abuse. Seriously? It took you that long? Not even on the witness stand? Didn't it dawn upon you then that it was the same thing that had been done to you? To me, the water is still murky

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You've been had, wilmer. Chandler failed to give an accurate description of MJ's genitals. I find it amazing that this piece of information has been so extensively repeated and misreported.

What i don't understand about this whole story is that there was a trial. And there were a lot of people trying to get him then. But they ruled he wasnt guilty.

How is this now all turned around?

How are people now speaking up, when they know he is not alive anymore?

You cant say you were afraid during the trial, because it was the best oppertunity to get him....but they didnt.

I wont watch the documentery,

Free2BMe said:

Well this was before ANY a allegations came out so he really had no motive to lie. He just mentioned it in passing saying that he didn’t want to leave his son at a party where he didn’t know would be there. He didn’t think anything about MJ being there an issue - more about other strangers

nextedition said:

What i don't understand about this whole story is that there was a trial. And there were a lot of people trying to get him then. But they ruled he wasnt guilty.

How is this now all turned around?

How are people now speaking up, when they know he is not alive anymore?

You cant say you were afraid during the trial, because it was the best oppertunity to get him....but they didnt.

I wont watch the documentery,

This is exactly how I feel.It is shameful,pointless and unfair for these guys to make these accusations now that Michael is dead and is not here to defend himself.This is all bullshit.I don't understand the point of this so-called "documentry".You can't go after a dead man.

These are just liars with no credibility who are looking for a little attention and fame.