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Reply #720 posted 02/18/19 8:47pm

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Very informative article of Victor Guitterez’s role in ALL of the false allegations: http://rhythmofthetide.co......-by-the media/

Thanks, interesting read hmmm here is an alternative review “Leaving Neverland" Feels More Like an Opportunistic Hit-Piece Rather Than a Documentary [Review] https://www.worldofreel.c...xlAXd9XoFQ

I can “review” HBO’s upcoming “Leaving Neverland” or just give an opinionated schema of Michael Jackson and his history of sexual abuse allegations towards underaged teenage boys. I’ll try to do both.

Leaving Neverland” comes to us in rather problematic and outlandish circumstances. The fact that Michael Jackson, the antagonist of this documentary, has been dead for the better part of 10 years can seem unfair in that he has no way to defend himself. Secondly, and maybe less covered by the media, is the fact that one of the two accusers in the documentary, Wade Robson, a former choreographer whose allegations of abuse are at the center of this controversial new doc, has a shady past. Now, this shouldn’t be of any concern, especially with his alleging that he was sexually abused by Jackson, but Robson has a history of, err, shall we say, a desperate past. We’ll get back to that later...............

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Reply #721 posted 02/18/19 9:29pm

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Free2BMe said:


Very informative article of Victor Guitterez’s role in ALL of the false allegations: http://rhythmofthetide.co......-by-the media/


Thanks, interesting read hmmm here is an alternative review “Leaving Neverland" Feels More Like an Opportunistic Hit-Piece Rather Than a Documentary [Review] https://www.worldofreel.c...xlAXd9XoFQ



I can “review” HBO’s upcoming “Leaving Neverland” or just give an opinionated schema of Michael Jackson and his history of sexual abuse allegations towards underaged teenage boys. I’ll try to do both.


Leaving Neverland” comes to us in rather problematic and outlandish circumstances. The fact that Michael Jackson, the antagonist of this documentary, has been dead for the better part of 10 years can seem unfair in that he has no way to defend himself. Secondly, and maybe less covered by the media, is the fact that one of the two accusers in the documentary, Wade Robson, a former choreographer whose allegations of abuse are at the center of this controversial new doc, has a shady past. Now, this shouldn’t be of any concern, especially with his alleging that he was sexually abused by Jackson, but Robson has a history of, err, shall we say, a desperate past. We’ll get back to that later.....



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Reply #722 posted 02/19/19 2:48am

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Goddess4Real said:



Free2BMe said:


Very informative article of Victor Guitterez’s role in ALL of the false allegations: http://rhythmofthetide.co......-by-the media/


Thanks, interesting read hmmm here is an alternative review “Leaving Neverland" Feels More Like an Opportunistic Hit-Piece Rather Than a Documentary [Review] https://www.worldofreel.c...xlAXd9XoFQ



I can “review” HBO’s upcoming “Leaving Neverland” or just give an opinionated schema of Michael Jackson and his history of sexual abuse allegations towards underaged teenage boys. I’ll try to do both.


Leaving Neverland” comes to us in rather problematic and outlandish circumstances. The fact that Michael Jackson, the antagonist of this documentary, has been dead for the better part of 10 years can seem unfair in that he has no way to defend himself. Secondly, and maybe less covered by the media, is the fact that one of the two accusers in the documentary, Wade Robson, a former choreographer whose allegations of abuse are at the center of this controversial new doc, has a shady past. Now, this shouldn’t be of any concern, especially with his alleging that he was sexually abused by Jackson, but Robson has a history of, err, shall we say, a desperate past. We’ll get back to that later.....



Thanks for posting this.
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Reply #723 posted 02/19/19 4:10pm

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Free2BMe said:

Thanks, interesting read hmmm here is an alternative review “Leaving Neverland" Feels More Like an Opportunistic Hit-Piece Rather Than a Documentary [Review] https://www.worldofreel.c...xlAXd9XoFQ

I can “review” HBO’s upcoming “Leaving Neverland” or just give an opinionated schema of Michael Jackson and his history of sexual abuse allegations towards underaged teenage boys. I’ll try to do both.

Leaving Neverland” comes to us in rather problematic and outlandish circumstances. The fact that Michael Jackson, the antagonist of this documentary, has been dead for the better part of 10 years can seem unfair in that he has no way to defend himself. Secondly, and maybe less covered by the media, is the fact that one of the two accusers in the documentary, Wade Robson, a former choreographer whose allegations of abuse are at the center of this controversial new doc, has a shady past. Now, this shouldn’t be of any concern, especially with his alleging that he was sexually abused by Jackson, but Robson has a history of, err, shall we say, a desperate past. We’ll get back to that later...............

Thanks for posting this.

And this hmmm

Jonathan Harris‏ @JohnnyAi

Doing research for an article and came across this. This sh*t is crazy. "The boy finally broke down, he admitted that he... had made up the whole story." https://youtu.be/gMAz1MBhG_U @MichaelJackson #LeavingNeverland #MichaelJackson #MichaelJacksonIsInnocent #LeavingNeverlandFrauds

TSCM‏ @MJJRepository

Take this teenager from Canada who offered HOURS of unwavering graphic allegations against MJ on video, phone and in person. No less detailed or graphic than anything Robson/Safechuck now allege. He made it all up and admits it at end of investigation.

Jonathan Harris‏ @JohnnyAi Feb 18

For real dude. What's crazy is how rehearsed he was, to the point police even found him credible. He went as far as giving a sworn statement. I'm also stunned @DiDimond did this report. The most high profile moments of her career revolved around her relentlessly attacking #MJ.


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Reply #724 posted 02/19/19 5:03pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

  • After enjoying some birthday cake on Tuesday, the group watched the Michael Jackson sexual assault documentary Leaving Neverland

Yeah. How's that for birthday entertainment. Sickening, if true.

Has Oprah learned nothing from James Frey and A Million Little Pieces? shrug

Jan 25

Remember back in the day when Oprah had to admit she'd been "duped" by James Frey author of "A Million Little Pieces" as his life-story was all made up ? She was embarrassed and had to publicly atone for making his book BEST SELLER-- This is the same - is duping !

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Reply #725 posted 02/19/19 9:23pm

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PatrickS77 said:




ChocolateBox3121 said:


  • After enjoying some birthday cake on Tuesday, the group watched the Michael Jackson sexual assault documentary Leaving Neverland



Yeah. How's that for birthday entertainment. Sickening, if true.




Has Oprah learned nothing from James Frey and A Million Little Pieces? shrug




Jan 25




Remember back in the day when Oprah had to admit she'd been "duped" by James Frey author of "A Million Little Pieces" as his life-story was all made up ? She was embarrassed and had to publicly atone for making his book BEST SELLER-- This is the same - is duping !






She will never admit that she is wrong about Michael. None in the media will.
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Reply #726 posted 02/20/19 2:41am

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She will never admit that she is wrong about Michael. None in the media will.


@JoeVogel1
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@CEThomson, and @benfraserlee

This is 2005 all over again. The media is a herd. No critical thinking, no research, no integrity. If he’s guilty, why are they so afraid of presenting all the relevant information?

Yuuup in 2019, its Trial by Social Media disbelief
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Reply #727 posted 02/20/19 7:16am

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Reply #728 posted 02/20/19 9:57am

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#LeavingNeverland isn’t a documentary. It’s a work of fiction https://thevioletreality....ba55e1a01b

In an era of flat-earthers, scripted reality shows, consumption overload and “fake news”, wherein lies the truth about the King of Pop?
Certainly not in Leaving Neverland...
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Reply #729 posted 02/20/19 11:23am

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What the media refuses to tell you about Michael Jackson, Leaving Neverland & the allegations of child molestation http://www.damienshields....-tell-you/

WITH ALL THE MADNESS surrounding Leaving Neverland—the so-called ‘documentary’ in which two admitted serial liars portray deceased pop superstar Michael Jackson as an insatiable child molester—the media seems to have forgotten about the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof...
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Reply #730 posted 02/20/19 5:32pm

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Goddess4Real said:

#LeavingNeverland isn’t a documentary. It’s a work of fiction https://thevioletreality....ba55e1a01b In an era of flat-earthers, scripted reality shows, consumption overload and “fake news”, wherein lies the truth about the King of Pop? Certainly not in Leaving Neverland...

That is very well written. Amazing read. But I don't think there's a coming back from this. In fact, the Jacobshagen story has just been turned into a documentary in Australian TV so another shitstorm is brewing. True, the guy isn't taken seriously even by "haters" but the general public won't know it and won't be able to tell. So, so sad. sad

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Reply #731 posted 02/20/19 9:26pm

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Goddess4Real said:

#LeavingNeverland isn’t a documentary. It’s a work of fiction https://thevioletreality....ba55e1a01b In an era of flat-earthers, scripted reality shows, consumption overload and “fake news”, wherein lies the truth about the King of Pop? Certainly not in Leaving Neverland...

That is very well written. Amazing read. But I don't think there's a coming back from this. In fact, the Jacobshagen story has just been turned into a documentary in Australian TV so another shitstorm is brewing. True, the guy isn't taken seriously even by "haters" but the general public won't know it and won't be able to tell. So, so sad. sad

Of course a shitstorm is brewing there is gonna be not 1, but 2 hit pieces on at the same time in Australia, this Sunday night on different networks. SundayNightON7 (Channel7) is featuring convicted felon Conrad Murray, Diane Dimond, Michael Jacobshagen, Latoya and Jermaine Jackson. While on 60 Minutes (Channel 9), in another quality display of journalism Adrian McManus, the notorious maid who lost an unfair dismissal case against MJ, is gonna crawl from under her rock rehashing the same ol stuff she has been peddling for years. Fun times indeed whofarted

AStarChill‏ @ABeeChillin 10h10 hours ago

It's not a coincidence the smear campaign is revving itself up before millions of fans around the world mourn the 10-year anniversary of #MichaelJackson 's death.They really want to bury the truth and his legacy under a smelly mountain of media lies and fake documentaries.#MJFam

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Reply #732 posted 02/21/19 12:00pm

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Michael Jackson Estate Sues HBO Over “Leaving Neverland” Citing Breach of Contract from 1992 Non-Disparagement Clause https://www.showbiz411.co...ent-clause

HBO may yet have to reconsider broadcasting “Leaving Neverland.”

Today the Michael Jackson estate sued the cable company to prevent them from showing the controversial two part documentary. The Estate claims breach of contract stemming from a 1992 non disparagement clause HBO signed with Jackson when they produced one of his specials.....
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Reply #733 posted 02/21/19 12:13pm

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Wow. Someone did their homework. I guess HBO didn't see that coming. The estate dug deep. Just hope that doesn't backfire.
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Reply #734 posted 02/21/19 1:05pm

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Goddess4Real said:

Michael Jackson Estate Sues HBO Over “Leaving Neverland” Citing Breach of Contract from 1992 Non-Disparagement Clause https://www.showbiz411.co...ent-clause

HBO may yet have to reconsider broadcasting “Leaving Neverland.”

Today the Michael Jackson estate sued the cable company to prevent them from showing the controversial two part documentary. The Estate claims breach of contract stemming from a 1992 non disparagement clause HBO signed with Jackson when they produced one of his specials.....


Amazing news!! I hope it works
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Reply #735 posted 02/21/19 1:15pm

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Goddess4Real said:

Michael Jackson Estate Sues HBO Over “Leaving Neverland” Citing Breach of Contract from 1992 Non-Disparagement Clause https://www.showbiz411.co...ent-clause HBO may yet have to reconsider broadcasting “Leaving Neverland.” Today the Michael Jackson estate sued the cable company to prevent them from showing the controversial two part documentary. The Estate claims breach of contract stemming from a 1992 non disparagement clause HBO signed with Jackson when they produced one of his specials........

lol

Ouch. I guess they didn't see that one coming.

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Reply #736 posted 02/21/19 1:44pm

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Can they also stop it from airing in Europe?
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Reply #737 posted 02/21/19 4:12pm

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Wow. Someone did their homework. I guess HBO didn't see that coming. The estate dug deep. Just hope that doesn't backfire. [Edited 2/21/19 12:41pm]

From TMZ https://www.tmz.com/2019/...neverland/

1:01 PM PT -- HBO has responded to the lawsuit, telling TMZ, "Despite the desperate lengths taken to undermine the film, our plans remain unchanged. HBO will move forward with the airing of LEAVING NEVERLAND, the two-part documentary, on March 3rd and 4th."

They continue, "This will allow everyone the opportunity to assess the film and the claims in it for themselves."

2h2 hours ago

Replying to

Translation: "As we are mates with , we will continue to detract from his impending trial with a hit piece we've produced that defames a dead black entertainer."

Jan 30

CEO of , Richard Plepler with Harvey Weinstein. HBO gives a platform to , a 'documentary' that deliberately omits exculpatory evidence, proving Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck are not credible. Why not give your platform to .

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Reply #738 posted 02/22/19 3:32am

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Can they also stop it from airing in Europe?


It seems to be to late already. Some scene releasers already have a screener copy ready to drop on some torrent sites.

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Reply #739 posted 02/22/19 7:37am

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Michael Jackson Estate Sues HBO Over “Leaving Neverland” Citing Breach of Contract from 1992 Non-Disparagement Clause https://www.showbiz411.co...ent-clause

HBO may yet have to reconsider broadcasting “Leaving Neverland.”

Today the Michael Jackson estate sued the cable company to prevent them from showing the controversial two part documentary. The Estate claims breach of contract stemming from a 1992 non disparagement clause HBO signed with Jackson when they produced one of his specials.....



Finally!
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


This moment is all there is...
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Reply #740 posted 02/22/19 8:59am

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I don't believe the accusers but digging up a 25+ year old clause and saying it still applies a decade after his death comes across as desperate to me. Everyone knows about this doc and trying to strangle it now will do as much as good as the settlement with Jordan Chandler did in the long run. This will just need to be weathered imho, the truth will out eventually. At least he's not around to have to go through it again.

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Reply #741 posted 02/22/19 9:21am

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I don't believe the accusers but digging up a 25+ year old clause and saying it still applies a decade after his death comes across as desperate to me. Everyone knows about this doc and trying to strangle it now will do as much as good as the settlement with Jordan Chandler did in the long run. This will just need to be weathered imho, the truth will out eventually. At least he's not around to have to go through it again.

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Sadly this is the only course they can go, as apparently you can't slander a dead man and no one can sue on his behalve. But of course we see, yes, it is possible to slander a dead man. That's what's happening right now. But yeah, while I love that they are sticking it to HBO, I kinda agree. Too many people have heard about that mockumentary by now and putting a legal lid on it will make people just the more interested in it/suspicious on what they have to hide.

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Reply #742 posted 02/22/19 9:27am

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That breach of contract from a 1992 clause is a joke, since MJ broke his contract from the HBO TV special in 1995.
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Wouldn't it be more interesting to broadcast these rehearsals than this documentary?
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Blame it on the estate, that did absolutely nothing in term of Releasing remastered live shows, music video, private movies, etc.
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And why is the estate not funding a counter-attack documentary to show definitely that Robson, Chandler and Arvizo are all liars?
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It s amazing it s not one of the first things they did after MJ s death. It would have réhabilités MJ And prevented other liars to claim MJ was a pedophile
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Reply #743 posted 02/22/19 9:28am

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That breach of contract from a 1992 clause is a joke, since MJ himself broke his contract from the HBO TV special in 1995.
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Wouldn't it be more interesting to broadcast these rehearsals than this documentary?
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Blame it on the estate, that did absolutely nothing in term of Releasing remastered live shows, music video, private movies, etc.
.
And why is the estate not funding a counter-attack documentary to show definitely that Robson, Chandler and Arvizo are all liars?
.
It s amazing it s not one of the first things they did after MJ s death. It would have réhabilités MJ And prevented other liars to claim MJ was a pedophile
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Reply #744 posted 02/22/19 11:25am

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RODSERLING said:

That breach of contract from a 1992 clause is a joke, since MJ himself broke his contract from the HBO TV special in 1995.
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Wouldn't it be more interesting to broadcast these rehearsals than this documentary?
.
Blame it on the estate, that did absolutely nothing in term of Releasing remastered live shows, music video, private movies, etc.
.
And why is the estate not funding a counter-attack documentary to show definitely that Robson, Chandler and Arvizo are all liars?
.
It s amazing it s not one of the first things they did after MJ s death. It would have réhabilités MJ And prevented other liars to claim MJ was a pedophile


How did he break the contract? Why should the estate make a documentary about the allegations, when no one was talking about it at the time and everybody rather would like to forget about it? Who would believe a documentary produced and funded by the estate?
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Reply #745 posted 02/22/19 12:37pm

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RODSERLING said:

The documentary will be broadcast on M6 in France, the same channel that broadcast Live with MJ in 2003. The response was 90% positive at the time.
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Now, with this crap being broadcast all over the world, MJ s reputation is damaged forever.
The situation is worst than in 2003/2005.
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It sucks a lot, it s too sad to play his records anymore.

No it wont. It will fly over. The press is trying to make it a big thing, but i hear nobody talking about it. On the other hand, i hear still a lot of mj music on the radio. I think people are getting tired of this subject.
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Reply #746 posted 02/22/19 2:35pm

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RODSERLING said:

That breach of contract from a 1992 clause is a joke, since MJ himself broke his contract from the HBO TV special in 1995.
.
Wouldn't it be more interesting to broadcast these rehearsals than this documentary?
.
Blame it on the estate, that did absolutely nothing in term of Releasing remastered live shows, music video, private movies, etc.
.
And why is the estate not funding a counter-attack documentary to show definitely that Robson, Chandler and Arvizo are all liars?
.
It s amazing it s not one of the first things they did after MJ s death. It would have réhabilités MJ And prevented other liars to claim MJ was a pedophile


How did he break the contract? Why should the estate make a documentary about the allegations, when no one was talking about it at the time and everybody rather would like to forget about it? Who would believe a documentary produced and funded by the estate?


You re not aware of the HBO TV special in 1995 that never happened? That's where his rehearsals with the mime Marceau are from.
That were advertised a lot at the time and should have been a great event.
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But Michael collapsed on stage, and cancelled the show. His only way to get out of the contract was a heart attack or something like that, so MJ likely faked that.
HBO must have been pissed of, and Sony cancelled the promotion of History in the US
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Reply #747 posted 02/22/19 2:40pm

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RODSERLING said:

The documentary will be broadcast on M6 in France, the same channel that broadcast Live with MJ in 2003. The response was 90% positive at the time.
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Now, with this crap being broadcast all over the world, MJ s reputation is damaged forever.
The situation is worst than in 2003/2005.
.
It sucks a lot, it s too sad to play his records anymore.

No it wont. It will fly over. The press is trying to make it a big thing, but i hear nobody talking about it. On the other hand, i hear still a lot of mj music on the radio. I think people are getting tired of this subject.

You are really naive.
Not only people are already talking about it, but the documentary is still not broadcast. It will be streamed and downloaded by millions, and TV and radio would be more reluctant to play his songs.
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Reply #748 posted 02/22/19 2:51pm

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RODSERLING said:

PatrickS77 said:
How did he break the contract? Why should the estate make a documentary about the allegations, when no one was talking about it at the time and everybody rather would like to forget about it? Who would believe a documentary produced and funded by the estate?
You re not aware of the HBO TV special in 1995 that never happened? That's where his rehearsals with the mime Marceau are from. That were advertised a lot at the time and should have been a great event. . But Michael collapsed on stage, and cancelled the show. His only way to get out of the contract was a heart attack or something like that, so MJ likely faked that. HBO must have been pissed of, and Sony cancelled the promotion of History in the US

And? He never got sued, so obviously he didn't break the contract.

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Reply #749 posted 02/22/19 3:02pm

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HBO says they will still broadcast the documentary claiming people should watch it and "decide for themselves". How is it fair to say people should decide for themselves after watching the doc if only one side of the story will be presented? Only the accusation side will be on display with not a word in defence of the subject being attacked so how are people supposed to decide on anything? If they are only served one dish what is there to decide?

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