I dont understand how people complaiing about something they don't watch and music they dont listen to. What you even commenting for then?

The argument is valid because it is older people saying these things, comparing people to the 80's and 90's. Then when asked..oh i havent watched it since 1991. What the hell you even commenting for? Go talk about Matlock reruns, sit down. I'm 35 and I listened to every single album that was nominated for album of the year and they ALL were good. There was alot of good music that came out this year, quit being old fogies and join the conversation, not distance yourself.

I did see the outakes of the Grammy's yesterday. Jay-Z always appears very cool and serene, looked a tad shell-shocked.

Music sucks, no one listens to albums,hence few kids bother to purchase albums .Streaming has turned the music industry to one single hit sellers. More importantly, streaming has turn to listeners into casual music listener's.

I look at my younger cousins and nephews music collection, very, very,, few albums... a lot of singles. I'll surmise, they didn't buy most of those either. Why watch something when you only know the artist because of A song.

cloveringold85 said:

rogifan said:

Ouch. I didn’t watch. One of the last radio programs Nikki Sixx did he had Slash on. They talked about how there’s no discernible decades for music anymore. Here right. Everything just kind of blurs together now. Can anyone really say what 2000-2009 was musically? Or 2010-current? How much of it is really memorable? Maybe some individual artists but as decades not really.

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Yeah, it basically sucked. I watched a few performers and it was a very painful experience. Last night's Grammys makes American Idol look entertaining! Miley Cyrus with Elton John.......OH GOD, my ears!!

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What the hell was Sting doing there? They don't have enough credible artists to perform or what?

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Bruno Mars.......

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Music today has no soul.......lifeless.

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I remember the day when artists were cutting-edge, and different (i.e., Prince)....everything you see today just seems so old, boring......meh!!

That was such a horrible performance for Sting. I think he should retire. I actually like him and felt embarraseed for him. Older artist need to say away from this show like Prince did and only show up if they have a project to promote.

paisleypark4 said:

I dont understand how people complaiing about something they don't watch and music they dont listen to. What you even commenting for then?

The argument is valid because it is older people saying these things, comparing people to the 80's and 90's. Then when asked..oh i havent watched it since 1991. What the hell you even commenting for? Go talk about Matlock reruns, sit down. I'm 35 and I listened to every single album that was nominated for album of the year and they ALL were good. There was alot of good music that came out this year, quit being old fogies and join the conversation, not distance yourself.

You might have been the only person your age watched because ratings do not lie.

The performances were awful and the public knows this and does not waste time looking at this show anymore. I could see it moving to Netflix or something if the ratings keep sucking.

Hudson said:

Award shows are never going to Netflix. They are much cheaper than dramas and comedies and the Grammy's averaged over 16 million viewers for the night and a 5 in the demo.It was still a huge night for Broadcast TV. I can't fucking wait for you all to analyze the Oscars ratings as a flop when it gets over 20 million viewers just because they're down from a previous year.

10 years ago no one took Netflix seriously and thought they were doomed. Now they have original content. Keep dreaming

I keep thinking the reason I don't connect with 95% of new music is because I'm finally old. Then I ask my nephews (ages 7-17) to hip me to what's good now and they all tell me new music sucks and proceed to ask me to turn them on to more good old music. Just sayin'...

djThunderfunk said:

laurarichardson said:

MotownSubdivision said:

djThunderfunk said:

I keep thinking the reason I don't connect with 95% of new music is because I'm finally old. Then I ask my nephews (ages 7-17) to hip me to what's good now and they all tell me new music sucks and proceed to ask me to turn them on to more good old music. Just sayin'...

In 2016, catalog albums (albums 18 months and older) outsold new albums in 2015. You know those annoying YouTube comments that say things like "I'm only 13 and I love "such and such" song from the 70's" or "I was born in the wrong generation, thumbs up if you agree!"? That should be proof that a notable amount of people, old and young aren't feeling today's music. I will say, however, there's no telling how many of those comments were posted by troll or gimmick accounts.

I see that all the time too!

"Im 12 and cant stop listening to this" etc LOL. Man if youtube existed in my teens when all I did was listen to 80s music in the 90s

Hudson said:

laurarichardson said:

10 years ago no one took Netflix seriously and thought they were doomed. Now they have original content. Keep dreaming

I watch most of their content. It doesn't mean the Grammys are going there when the ad rates are still much higher than everything else on CBS. The major award shows will always air live and you can't do that on Netflix.

Live concerts have been streamed on line.

This is what happens when someone like Cardi B is classified as "talent".

RodeoSchro said:

This is what happens when someone like Cardi B is classified as "talent".

Yes, we now have stripper rap. What is next porn rap?

RodeoSchro said:

This is what happens when someone like Cardi B is classified as "talent".

She's got the IT factor.

I watched some of it, recorded the whole show. I wasn't impressed and it came off to me as people trying way too hard to sound better than the others, yet didn't really invest enough in the music they themselves were putting out. The opening act....geesh. Kendrick Lamar was impossible to understand and kept his eyes on the floor for some odd reason. Kesha was overwrought and dramatic, and her angsty performance didn't come off well to me because of that. Overwrought and dramatic seemed to be the theme for the night and I don't mean that in any good way.

paisleypark4 said:

paisleypark4 said:

RodeoSchro said:

This is what happens when someone like Cardi B is classified as "talent".

She's got the IT factor.

Oh? You mean that "big fat ass" she was singing about?

Slave2daGroove said:

I get the whole "you're old and don't want to listen to new music" argument, what other position can one take when I say "where's the mind-blowing music today?"

Fact is that I do hear great new music today, it just doesn't get national or popular recognition. It's a business problem, not an artist problem. Show me something that I can feel and I'll buy it, I love music.

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EXACTAMUNDO.

Today's music can't simply be defined by what mainstream media gives us. Many of us were lucky to experience that because we never had to hunt for great music, we could just make choices based on what was presented.

We can't do that anymore. We may have to hunt or do our homework for great music in 2018, but we can't just refuse to do that and then make sweeping judgments about how bad the music of today is.

So many of us that say that don't know enough about what's being put out to make that assessment. I used to be That Guy and I'm glad I'm not anymore.

paisleypark4 said:

RodeoSchro said:

This is what happens when someone like Cardi B is classified as "talent".

She's got the IT factor.

She has boobs and ass. That is all.

paisleypark4 said:

RodeoSchro said:

This is what happens when someone like Cardi B is classified as "talent".

She's got the IT factor.

Maybe, but she sure doesn't have any musical talent.

paisleypark4 said:

I dont understand how people complaiing about something they don't watch and music they dont listen to. What you even commenting for then?

The argument is valid because it is older people saying these things, comparing people to the 80's and 90's. Then when asked..oh i havent watched it since 1991. What the hell you even commenting for? Go talk about Matlock reruns, sit down. I'm 35 and I listened to every single album that was nominated for album of the year and they ALL were good. There was alot of good music that came out this year, quit being old fogies and join the conversation, not distance yourself.

Hold on there, whippersnapper.

Some of us old fogies know a lot of new music, by new artists. Much of it was not recognized on Grammy night. Quality music has become quite decentralized, you can't find it all on the radio anymore.

The OP issue was, why Grammy ratings were down. Some people make the claim that it's because music is terrible today, which is not true. Others say they don't watch because the artists they listen to are not being recognized or awarded by the Grammys.

Take a look at some of the Grammy winners in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Some of the choices look just as bad as the Macklemores of the 2010s. That's another reason why the "biggest night in music" is tuned out by a lot of heavy music buyers.

Now get off my lawn while I yell at this cloud.

laurarichardson said:

namepeace said:

paisleypark4 said:

I dont understand how people complaiing about something they don't watch and music they dont listen to. What you even commenting for then?

The argument is valid because it is older people saying these things, comparing people to the 80's and 90's. Then when asked..oh i havent watched it since 1991. What the hell you even commenting for? Go talk about Matlock reruns, sit down. I'm 35 and I listened to every single album that was nominated for album of the year and they ALL were good. There was alot of good music that came out this year, quit being old fogies and join the conversation, not distance yourself.

Hold on there, whippersnapper.

Some of us old fogies know a lot of new music, by new artists. Much of it was not recognized on Grammy night. Quality music has become quite decentralized, you can't find it all on the radio anymore.

The OP issue was, why Grammy ratings were down. Some people make the claim that it's because music is terrible today, which is not true. Others say they don't watch because the artists they listen to are not being recognized or awarded by the Grammys.

Take a look at some of the Grammy winners in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Some of the choices look just as bad as the Macklemores of the 2010s. That's another reason why the "biggest night in music" is tuned out by a lot of heavy music buyers.

Now get off my lawn while I yell at this cloud.

We get it you like mumble rap and big boob Cardi.

namepeace said:

Slave2daGroove said:

I get the whole "you're old and don't want to listen to new music" argument, what other position can one take when I say "where's the mind-blowing music today?"

Fact is that I do hear great new music today, it just doesn't get national or popular recognition. It's a business problem, not an artist problem. Show me something that I can feel and I'll buy it, I love music.

[Edited 1/29/18 17:55pm]

EXACTAMUNDO.

Today's music can't simply be defined by what mainstream media gives us. Many of us were lucky to experience that because we never had to hunt for great music, we could just make choices based on what was presented.

We can't do that anymore. We may have to hunt or do our homework for great music in 2018, but we can't just refuse to do that and then make sweeping judgments about how bad the music of today is.

So many of us that say that don't know enough about what's being put out to make that assessment. I used to be That Guy and I'm glad I'm not anymore.

laurarichardson said:

namepeace said:

Hold on there, whippersnapper.

Some of us old fogies know a lot of new music, by new artists. Much of it was not recognized on Grammy night. Quality music has become quite decentralized, you can't find it all on the radio anymore.

The OP issue was, why Grammy ratings were down. Some people make the claim that it's because music is terrible today, which is not true. Others say they don't watch because the artists they listen to are not being recognized or awarded by the Grammys.

Take a look at some of the Grammy winners in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Some of the choices look just as bad as the Macklemores of the 2010s. That's another reason why the "biggest night in music" is tuned out by a lot of heavy music buyers.

Now get off my lawn while I yell at this cloud.

We get it you like mumble rap and big boob Cardi.

None of those. Actually I'm more into Moonchild, NxWorries and Kamasi Washington among many others.

But nice contribution.

lastdecember said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Exactly! The world is so fast-paced today and people are whipping-out music faster than you can say Mississippi.......we have the technology to create music at a moments notice. It's all over the internet.....lots of good musicians out there, doing well and working with small labels. It's kinda scary for these big music execs, when you think about it. I think less people will sign with big labels anymore. We really only have a handful of artists that are selling record-number albums......Bruno, Rihanna, Beyonce, and the like......but that's about it. They don't have much.

the problem is also the fact that there is no organization. We can argue that labels are bad and they are now for the most part because of how they have to function, its like an assembly line for most, in and out next etc.... But its hard to organize when music is all over the place, yes there is good stuff all over the place but also marketing is a huge problem, social media is actually a problem too because for me social media is just as bad as a label people share the same crap, you know, i mean all i see is a million cardi b things who cares about this person. But we also have an AGE-IST society and that is a huge issue too, look at label like Frontiers Records this is where all the older artists put their stuff out now because they own it there is little overhead and they can call the shots, they market to their base and thats that. But youll never hear them on the radio nor will an award show let them on because its about ratings, really well all the POPULAR cats were on last night, like Bruno and Jay Z etc..and the ratings sucked. Time to mix it up, there are more females in this industry besides Beyonce and yet every year i see her and the other females are like decorations and yet females are pretty much what keep the industry from going under because of sales. So it has to change or just let it crash.

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My thoughts, exactly!! There are plenty of good artists out there who don't get any recognition. I don't like award shows, because I don't really think they are fair. I just can't think of any artist right now that really blows me away. Time for something new, I agree.

rogifan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yeah, it basically sucked. I watched a few performers and it was a very painful experience. Last night's Grammys makes American Idol look entertaining! Miley Cyrus with Elton John.......OH GOD, my ears!!

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What the hell was Sting doing there? They don't have enough credible artists to perform or what?

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Bruno Mars.......

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Music today has no soul.......lifeless.

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I remember the day when artists were cutting-edge, and different (i.e., Prince)....everything you see today just seems so old, boring......meh!!

Yep. That new song by Sting and Shaggy is awful. And it sounds like every other song Shaggy has sung on. What was the point of Elton John and Miley Cyrus? The NY Times called the Grammys racist but I disagree. There’s plenty of indie rock music that doesn’t get the attention it deserves either.

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I understand the "Englishman in New York", and the Grammys being back in NYC after a 15-year hiatus and all.......maybe he brought Shaggy on because of his love of reggae and attracting some new fans?

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I would just like to see more artists getting recognition and not the same ones, over and over. Bruno is a good performer, don't get me wrong......but he's not doing anything that's new.

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I remember watching the Grammys when I was a teenager (back in the 80s), and music just seemed so more alive back then. I'm getting old, LOL

PennyPurple said:

I watched the entire show and enjoyed it.

My favorite was Kesha, what a very moving performance. All that she has been thru with Dr. Luke.

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It was hard to watch Kesha, because she was struggling, vocally, but it was very emotional and raw.

soon theyll be blaming it on being in NYC instead of la