Both were envisioned as expressions of what mattered to P and MJ. Both were intended to be safe harbors but eventually both encompassed only those who would keep their mouths’ shut and would view whatever went on inside the gates as ‘normal.’

Toward the end, both places became repositories of secrets, some illegal, and served only to distance /protect their owners from the real world. They could retreat there from reality to a place where no one would ever say ‘No’ and all the toys of their dreams lay at their feet. Both men, born in modest circumstances, used their wealth to build over-the-top edifices as monuments to their success, control and genius. However, they weren’t healthy/nurturing places to live a good life. In both cases, IMO, these places were key to their demise. Notice, I haven't referenced the similarities of their religious beliefs, the fact that both men made an effort not to look Black and, of course, the androgeny.

OMG...LOL..isn't that the truth!

Um...P "made an effort not to look Black"?

Seriously?

Um...Yeah...No...

Well something to think about is the fact that their homes represented their dreams. Prince's grew up wanting to be as big as he was, MJ didn't. As a kid, Prince wanted to be a famous musician/singer but MJ was already a famous singer as a kid so Prince got something he never had, his own studio where he can play as much music as he wanted and Mike got what he always wanted, to be a kid and just play as much as he wanted and you can't really judge him for that. There are laws against a kid working as much as MJ did....but that just my opinion.

LBrent said:

Um...P "made an effort not to look Black"?

Seriously?

Um...Yeah...No...

That's what I am saying.

LBrent said:

Purplestar88 said:

LBrent said:

Um...P "made an effort not to look Black"?

Seriously?

Um...Yeah...No...

That's what I am saying.

Chiiiiile...Just reading that ish made my kitchen's nappy...

And on this lovely Sunday mornin', please do not get my long swingin hair havin' yalla Louisiana Creole azz all riled up...

Dayum, I just wanna enjoy my sammich and sweet tea..

soooo...Prince and Michael needed their own "fantasy worlds" to seperate themselves from reality?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Both were envisioned as expressions of what mattered to P and MJ. Both were intended to be safe harbors but eventually both encompassed only those who would keep their mouths’ shut and would view whatever went on inside the gates as ‘normal.’

Toward the end, both places became repositories of secrets, some illegal, and served only to distance /protect their owners from the real world. They could retreat there from reality to a place where no one would ever say ‘No’ and all the toys of their dreams lay at their feet. Both men, born in modest circumstances, used their wealth to build over-the-top edifices as monuments to their success, control and genius. However, they weren’t healthy/nurturing places to live a good life. In both cases, IMO, these places were key to their demise. Notice, I haven't referenced the similarities of their religious beliefs, the fact that both men made an effort not to look Black and, of course, the androgeny.

What in the world are you talking about? None of this makes any sense.

Neverland was not JUST Michael's home. Michael opened it up to the community, allowed fans to visit and used it to support his humanitarian work and charity organizations

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Both were envisioned as expressions of what mattered to P and MJ. Both were intended to be safe harbors but eventually both encompassed only those who would keep their mouths’ shut and would view whatever went on inside the gates as ‘normal.’

Toward the end, both places became repositories of secrets, some illegal, and served only to distance /protect their owners from the real world. They could retreat there from reality to a place where no one would ever say ‘No’ and all the toys of their dreams lay at their feet. Both men, born in modest circumstances, used their wealth to build over-the-top edifices as monuments to their success, control and genius. However, they weren’t healthy/nurturing places to live a good life. In both cases, IMO, these places were key to their demise. Notice, I haven't referenced the similarities of their religious beliefs, the fact that both men made an effort not to look Black and, of course, the androgeny.

Well if you gon mention this you best go into it . This thread has potential.

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SoulAlive said:

soooo...Prince and Michael needed their own "fantasy worlds" to seperate themselves from reality?

I definitely agree with this.

mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

What in the world are you talking about? None of this makes any sense.

Neverland was not JUST Michael's home. Michael opened it up to the community, allowed fans to visit and used it to support his humanitarian work and charity organizations

Thank you mjscarousel. Neverland was Michael's HOME. Pure and simple. He opened his HOME up to HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of children AND their FAMLIES. I wonder how many people on this org. Know that that Michael invited returning soldiers/veterans and their families to Neverland. Of course, the media didn't mention that because their agenda was to make Michael and his HOME seem as if it was something evil. Everyone who went to Neverland said that you didn't want to leave because it was so beautiful and peaceful. To compare Paisely Park and Neverland is like comparing a recording studio to an unbelievably beautiful island. Even if I were not a Michael fan, I would choose Neverland a thousand times over Paisley Park. Of course that's just my opinion.

Are ya sure ya reeeaaally wanna go down that particular dark, dank and cobwebbed corridor?

Reeeeeaaaaally?

Besides, Neverland isn't MJ's "home" anymore...It was sold off since the estate could no longer afford to keep it cuz it went from being an asset to being a liability..Sorry, not sorry...

Thanx for playing...

BTW, Have ya heard?...PP's a museum to forever commemorate P's legacy...

Yup...Academy Award and all...Wahwahwah...

M'kay thanx, bye...

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LBrent said:

Free2BMe said:

Thank you mjscarousel. Neverland was Michael's HOME. Pure and simple. He opened his HOME up to HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of children AND their FAMLIES. I wonder how many people on this org. Know that that Michael invited returning soldiers/veterans and their families to Neverland. Of course, the media didn't mention that because their agenda was to make Michael and his HOME seem as if it was something evil. Everyone who went to Neverland said that you didn't want to leave because it was so beautiful and peaceful. To compare Paisely Park and Neverland is like comparing a recording studio to an unbelievably beautiful island. Even if I were not a Michael fan, I would choose Neverland a thousand times over Paisley Park. Of course that's just my opinion.

Are ya sure ya reeeaaally wanna go down that particular dark, dank and cobwebbed corridor?

Reeeeeaaaaally?

Besides, Neverland isn't MJ's "home" anymore...It was sold off since the estate could no longer afford to keep it cuz it went from being an asset to being a liability..Sorry, not sorry...

Thanx for playing...

BTW, Have ya heard?...PP's a museum to forever commemorate P's legacy...

Yup...Academy Award and all...Wahwahwah...

M'kay thanx, bye...

[Edited 7/2/17 21:52pm]

Neverland was not "sold off". The MJ Estate could buy it fully back if they want too but they are choosing not too. However, they still have a stake in it and part owner.

Have you heard? A ton of leeches are fighting over the Prince Estate that is falling apart. Don't even try it. You Prince fans are some of the most nastiest and miserable people ever.

[Edited 7/3/17 18:44pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Both were envisioned as expressions of what mattered to P and MJ. Both were intended to be safe harbors but eventually both encompassed only those who would keep their mouths’ shut and would view whatever went on inside the gates as ‘normal.’

Toward the end, both places became repositories of secrets, some illegal, and served only to distance /protect their owners from the real world. They could retreat there from reality to a place where no one would ever say ‘No’ and all the toys of their dreams lay at their feet. Both men, born in modest circumstances, used their wealth to build over-the-top edifices as monuments to their success, control and genius. However, they weren’t healthy/nurturing places to live a good life. In both cases, IMO, these places were key to their demise. Notice, I haven't referenced the similarities of their religious beliefs, the fact that both men made an effort not to look Black and, of course, the androgeny.

Paisley Park is a relatively Modest Workspace....a concert hall and in Princes own words a "Clubhouse" where we his fans could gather

Neverland was a Fantasy "Palace" upon which Michael almost bankrupted himself buying ostentatious pieces of Guilded everything .

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Both were envisioned as expressions of what mattered to P and MJ. Both were intended to be safe harbors but eventually both encompassed only those who would keep their mouths’ shut and would view whatever went on inside the gates as ‘normal.’ Toward the end, both places became repositories of secrets, some illegal, and served only to distance /protect their owners from the real world. They could retreat there from reality to a place where no one would ever say ‘No’ and all the toys of their dreams lay at their feet. Both men, born in modest circumstances, used their wealth to build over-the-top edifices as monuments to their success, control and genius. However, they weren’t healthy/nurturing places to live a good life. In both cases, IMO, these places were key to their demise. Notice, I haven't referenced the similarities of their religious beliefs, the fact that both men made an effort not to look Black and, of course, the androgeny.

Both MJ and P had similiarities just like many artists do, the music industry is a special world in that way... IMO I think MJ & P needed these places, so they could escpae the craziness that comes with fame and crazy stans (like the crazy fan who trespassed PP in 2015 or the papz that would stalk MJ.) Most rich people in positions like MJ & P, retreat from the reality of normalcy. You're trying to imply somehow that they were trying to not look black? What proof do you have? The vitiligo MJ suffered from, was no JOKE and on top of that, changing ones nose - doesn't make you white. And about Prince, what is it about his look that makes you say he was trying to look non-black? His hairstyle? his clothes? the way he spoke? Prince was a lightskinned african-american, ligther than myself ( I'm triracial) but still undoubtedly Black. Black people are not monolithic and many legends of the past like James Brown would perm/straighten their hair - did you ever question their blackness? So why do it to MJ & Prince? Because they both married women of other origin than black? I think the biggest issue for MJ & Prince was their lack of trust and it made them very isolated, I don't think PP or Neverland had anything to do with it tho. If MJs story had been different, I'm sure he'd still be living in Neverland and enjoying life, helping the community...

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smoothcriminal12 said:

GoldDolphin said:

GoldDolphin said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Both were envisioned as expressions of what mattered to P and MJ. Both were intended to be safe harbors but eventually both encompassed only those who would keep their mouths’ shut and would view whatever went on inside the gates as ‘normal.’ Toward the end, both places became repositories of secrets, some illegal, and served only to distance /protect their owners from the real world. They could retreat there from reality to a place where no one would ever say ‘No’ and all the toys of their dreams lay at their feet. Both men, born in modest circumstances, used their wealth to build over-the-top edifices as monuments to their success, control and genius. However, they weren’t healthy/nurturing places to live a good life. In both cases, IMO, these places were key to their demise. Notice, I haven't referenced the similarities of their religious beliefs, the fact that both men made an effort not to look Black and, of course, the androgeny.

Both MJ and P had similiarities just like many artists do, the music industry is a special world in that way... IMO I think MJ & P needed these places, so they could escpae the craziness that comes with fame and crazy stans (like the crazy fan who trespassed PP in 2015 or the papz that would stalk MJ.) Most rich people in positions like MJ & P, retreat from the reality of normalcy. You're trying to imply somehow that they were trying to not look black? What proof do you have? The vitiligo MJ suffered from, was no JOKE and on top of that, changing ones nose - doesn't make you white. And about Prince, what is it about his look that makes you say he was trying to look non-black? His hairstyle? his clothes? the way he spoke? Prince was a lightskinned african-american, ligther than myself ( I'm triracial) but still undoubtedly Black. Black people are not monolithic and many legends of the past like James Brown would perm/straighten their hair - did you ever question their blackness? So why do it to MJ & Prince? Because they both married women of other origin than black? I think the biggest issue for MJ & Prince was their lack of trust and it made them very isolated, I don't think PP or Neverland had anything to do with it tho. If MJs story had been different, I'm sure he'd still be living in Neverland and enjoying life, helping the community...

[Edited 7/4/17 5:46am]

Hey sis, great post!!!!

mjscarousal said:

mjscarousal said:

LBrent said:

Are ya sure ya reeeaaally wanna go down that particular dark, dank and cobwebbed corridor?

Reeeeeaaaaally?

Besides, Neverland isn't MJ's "home" anymore...It was sold off since the estate could no longer afford to keep it cuz it went from being an asset to being a liability..Sorry, not sorry...

Thanx for playing...

BTW, Have ya heard?...PP's a museum to forever commemorate P's legacy...

Yup...Academy Award and all...Wahwahwah...

M'kay thanx, bye...

[Edited 7/2/17 21:52pm]

Neverland was not "sold off". The MJ Estate could buy it fully back if they want too but they are choosing not too. However, they still have a stake in it and part owner.

Have you heard? A ton of leeches are fighting over the Prince Estate that is falling apart. Don't even try it. You Prince fans are some of the most nastiest and miserable people ever.

[Edited 7/3/17 18:44pm]

M'kay...Keep telling yourself that...Just remember, being mad at me doesn't change facts...Sorry, not sorry...

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Hmmm...Well, lemme see...I am happily and unapologetically a P fan...and this is a website and forum created on a domain named in honour of P specifically for the appreciation of P by P fans, sooo...

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Meanwhile, I'll leave y'all to it...

MJ used Neverland to do things P didn't. For example, MJ did a lot of charity work towards kids through Neverland. He let kids play in the immense playground and fair, he let them have fun, eat candy and go on rides. And there was also entertainment for the kids at night, usually in MJ's room with the alarms on.

[Edited 7/4/17 9:59am]

ML2016 said:

MJ used Neverland to do things P didn't. For example, MJ did a lot of charity work towards kids through Neverland. He let kids play in the immense playground and fair, he let them have fun, eat candy and go on rides. And there was also entertainment for the kids at night, usually in MJ's room with the alarms on.

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I'm just gonna let y'all let that sink in...

Don't worry...take your time...

I'll just sit over in the corner and wait...

LBrent said:

ML2016 said:

MJ used Neverland to do things P didn't. For example, MJ did a lot of charity work towards kids through Neverland. He let kids play in the immense playground and fair, he let them have fun, eat candy and go on rides. And there was also entertainment for the kids at night, usually in MJ's room with the alarms on.

[Edited 7/4/17 9:59am]

I'm just gonna let y'all let that sink in...

Don't worry...take your time...

I'll just sit over in the corner and wait...

Why?

It's perfectly normal to share your bed one-on-one with a child. It's L.O.V.E.. You don't know what the kid is going through and you're just lending him love. It's just that that love comes with interest and the kid has to give it back, you know? But why the hell should a kid complain anyway: they get lots of toys, lots of free porn, a free fair just for them with lamas and bears and, like, comodo dragons, tasty Jesus Juice alcohol, shopping sprees for the entire family and the presence of a star. So, what's wrong if MJ asks for a little dinky? But people still criticize MJ just for being different, because they're manipulated by an evil media and they're, like, evil themselves, ya know? MJ had unshakable evidence he didn't molest anyone under his bed, but he didn't want to stoop to the haterz level. Besides, everytbhing was lost because of loots. Latoya also has it in a pen.

ML2016 said:

LBrent said:

I'm just gonna let y'all let that sink in...

Don't worry...take your time...

I'll just sit over in the corner and wait...

Why?

It's perfectly normal to share your bed one-on-one with a child. It's L.O.V.E.. You don't know what the kid is going through and you're just lending him love. It's just that that love comes with interest and the kid has to give it back, you know? But why the hell should a kid complain anyway: they get lots of toys, lots of free porn, a free fair just for them with lamas and bears and, like, comodo dragons, tasty Jesus Juice alcohol, shopping sprees for the entire family and the presence of a star. So, what's wrong if MJ asks for a little dinky? But people still criticize MJ just for being different, because they're manipulated by an evil media and they're, like, evil themselves, ya know? MJ had unshakable evidence he didn't molest anyone under his bed, but he didn't want to stoop to the haterz level. Besides, everytbhing was lost because of loots. Latoya also has it in a pen.