ML2016 said:

Yes, there did seem to be similarities in the way they constructed their private encampments and yes, Prince was way better than Michael Jackson

mjscarousal said:

Layzie said:

mjscarousal said:

The mods are not going to lock this thread because they are enjoying this MJ bash fest.

No one compared Prince to MJ until that bitter Prince fans started personally attacking MJ.

Which is usually how it happens. I Stan for both equally. But P stans have always been insecure on the subject of MJ for whatever reason. In 2017, I don't see the point in going tit for tat on who's better. That stale argument is 35 years old! They're both genius black men that reshaped the world we live in and the music we listen to and are no longer with us. Why can't it be left at that, I have no idea. [Edited 7/4/17 20:49pm]

I love both Prince and MJ but I am not going to stand back and watch a immature Michael Jackson bash fest. MJ stans didn't even do anything in this thread. Prince fans started the Prince vs. MJ comparision. I am not going to stand back and watch P fans disrespect and insult MJ and the mods seat back and do nothing. The reason why there can't be any peace and harmony is because of the Prince fans and their bitterness towards MJ's success.

mjscarousal said:

Layzie said:

mjscarousal said:

I love both Prince and MJ but I am not going to stand back and watch a immature Michael Jackson bash fest. MJ stans didn't even do anything in this thread. Prince fans started the Prince vs. MJ comparision. I am not going to stand back and watch P fans disrespect and insult MJ and the mods seat back and do nothing. The reason why there can't be any peace and harmony is because of the Prince fans and their bitterness towards MJ's success.

I think you misunderstood me. I don't fault you or any MJ fan for wanting to hit back. I'm just saying that from what I've experienced throughout the years is that Prince stans are typically the ones that start the MJ vs Prince mess, when theres really no point since they're two of the greatest human beings to walk this earth. Not to mention they're not the same type of artist.

I understood what you were saying but what is annoying is that some orgers come into a thread and instigate stan wars. Like a lot of the fonts on the last page. There technically wasn't a stan war, it mainly was the Prince fans personally attacking Michael but some of orgers made it seem as though both sides were doing that and thats not true. So MJ fans are suppose to stand back and not say anything? Defending Michael doesn't mean we are not fans of Prince and your right they are the greatest and that is the only thing that matters.

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Layzie said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

As someone who's been to both they don't compare to Graceland.

So lucky...

mjscarousal said:

NorthC said:

mjscarousal said:

The mods are not going to lock this thread because they are enjoying this MJ bash fest.

No one compared Prince to MJ until that bitter Prince fans started personally attacking MJ.

The whole point of this thread was to compare Prince to Jackson in the way they both created a world of their own to live in. Interestingly enough, the thread started on the Prince forum and didn't turn nasty until it was moved to this forum where the Jackson fans saw it. Just look at your own reply on page 1. And, as I already predicted in my own reply, it all went downhill from there. Oh well. It was a funny little . No need to take everything so seriously.

What did I say that was wrong on the first page? I didn't say anything wrong. I was responding to the OP because I didn't get their perspectives about MJ and his home. How is that problematic? I didn't compare MJ or Prince like the Prince fans ran in here and did. Then you had the instigators egging on.I take it seriously when people mock or make fun of people who are deceased or mock death, that is a serious matter. The Jackson fans did not start attacking, the Prince fans did, even your own said that.

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MotownSubdivision said:

This topic turned into a childish meme war real quick. In one corner, your resolute MJ stan and in the other, your defensive Prince worshipper.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

As someone who's been to both they don't compare to Graceland.

In terms of what? Extravagance?

NorthC said:

The whole point of this thread was to compare Prince to Jackson in the way they both created a world of their own to live in.

That's exactly it.

Paisley Park and Neverland were extensions of their respective owners.

Free2BMe said:

ML2016 said:

Brent, stop arguing with MJ fans. I was one for years. I know how they think. When I was a MJ fan, the very sight of Prince pissed me off and I had a hard time listening to his music. Why? Because deep down I knew he was better and I couldn't stand it. Deep down MJ fans know Prince is better. I guarantee you that, first-hand.

And MJ fandom has a limited half-life. As the years go by they realize MJ was a pervert, a pedophile. What kind of man sleeps one-on-one with boys every single night? What kind of man demands a boy be delivered to his room at 1 am to sleep with him right after being accused of child molestation? What kind of man is constantly in the company of a young boy and, whenever he grows up, gets another one? What kind of man sleeps compulsively with a young boy after being hit with child molestation accusations? Why is it that A LOT of people who got close to him called him a pedophile? Why is it that he showered gifts on the boys' families? Why is it that he would go out of his way to sleep with a young boy? The fact this man still has fans is beyond my comprehension. Not to mention his amoral, despicable family starting with Father of The Year Joe Jackson. Most of MJ's worst "haters" used to be fans. Most of the fans I dealt with on the internet turned on him as time went by. If you go to anti-MJ sites most of the people accusing MJ are former fans. Give them time. They'll soon or later turn on him. Just like I did and I was a HUGE fan.

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Liar, you were never a fan. A fan would know that the shit you are spewing is not true. Who needs a weak-minded, gullible person like you. You are not even intelligent or strong enough to think for yourself. You are not intelligent enough to research anything related to those false allegations. Everything that you posted was gossip, innuendo and alternative BS. Thank goodness that you are no longer a MJ fan. You weren't mentally strong enough to be one anyway.

Nope. It's exactly the opposite. You are the one who isn't "intelligent enough to think for yourself". When I was a Floon, I used to think MJ sleeping with kids was in the context of a continuation of a slumber party where, per MJ's words, the kids would all "jam in the bed" and fall asleep together out of tiredeness. I thought MJ would throw slumber parties and all the kids would end up falling asleep with him as the continuation of a fun time together. I thought he befriended all children as a family friend. That is wrong. Michael Jackson, apart from a few exceptions, would not sleep with multiple kids. He would sleep one-on-one with a particular kid and he would surreptitiously go out of his way to sleep with him. And, exceptions apart, it was always boys. Brett Barnes admitted to sleeping hundreds of nights alone with Michael Jackson. During the trial it was revealed MJ shared a bed with Jordie Chandler compulsively and would spend entire days locked inside the bedroom with him. It was also revealed MJ ordered Wade Robson to be delivered to his room at 1 am after being hit with the first accusation. This was all said during the trial. MJ Floons are so used to some things they don't even question them. Jimmy Safechuck, though I don't believe his accusations, was MJ's little special friend during the entire Bad Tour. They were bedmates as well. And he would always have a boy with him who shared his bed every single time. Don't you think it's strange that when MJ would go to hotel windows there was always a boy with him while he waved to the crowds? Don't you think it's strange we are talking about a man who always had a boy as his company? Everywhere he went and made sure to sleep with him? Don't you think it's strange he had an eight year old as his groom during his wedding to Debbie Rowe? That he somehow always had a boy by his side? Turn on the common sense.

NorthC said:

The whole point of this thread was to compare Prince to Jackson in the way they both created a world of their own to live in.

namepeace said:
That's exactly it.

Paisley Park and Neverland were extensions of their respective owners.

Now I can completely agree with those statements...

I do find my self wondering where P's Oscar is sitting...Funny thing, that...Imagine...a muscian getting an Academt Award...It's just so iconic and so P...

Ok, I need to recover from last night's festivities...

Cheers!

ML2016 said:

Free2BMe said:

ML2016 said: Liar, you were never a fan. A fan would know that the shit you are spewing is not true. Who needs a weak-minded, gullible person like you. You are not even intelligent or strong enough to think for yourself. You are not intelligent enough to research anything related to those false allegations. Everything that you posted was gossip, innuendo and alternative BS. Thank goodness that you are no longer a MJ fan. You weren't mentally strong enough to be one anyway.

Nope. It's exactly the opposite. You are the one who isn't "intelligent enough to think for yourself". When I was a Floon, I used to think MJ sleeping with kids was in the context of a continuation of a slumber party where, per MJ's words, the kids would all "jam in the bed" and fall asleep together out of tiredeness. I thought MJ would throw slumber parties and all the kids would end up falling asleep with him as the continuation of a fun time together. I thought he befriended all children as a family friend. That is wrong. Michael Jackson, apart from a few exceptions, would not sleep with multiple kids. He would sleep one-on-one with a particular kid and he would surreptitiously go out of his way to sleep with him. And, exceptions apart, it was always boys. Brett Barnes admitted to sleeping hundreds of nights alone with Michael Jackson. During the trial it was revealed MJ shared a bed with Jordie Chandler compulsively and would spend entire days locked inside the bedroom with him. It was also revealed MJ ordered Wade Robson to be delivered to his room at 1 am after being hit with the first accusation. This was all said during the trial. MJ Floons are so used to some things they don't even question them. Jimmy Safechuck, though I don't believe his accusations, was MJ's little special friend during the entire Bad Tour. They were bedmates as well. And he would always have a boy with him who shared his bed every single time. Don't you think it's strange that when MJ would go to hotel windows there was always a boy with him while he waved to the crowds? Don't you think it's strange we are talking about a man who always had a boy as his company? Everywhere he went and made sure to sleep with him? Don't you think it's strange he had an eight year old as his groom during his wedding to Debbie Rowe? That he somehow always had a boy by his side? Turn on the common sense.

Thank you for this. I loved Mike as a entertainer but it is long time for people to realize he was a very distrubed man. I am also not saying this to say that Prince was some saint with his insane womanizing and grooming but going after children is a whole different stituation.

A lot of you are really really REALLY either obtuse or just plain slow....

The comparision was between PP and Neverland, NOT comparing whether Prince was a better overall artist than MJ and vice versa. Now Prince fans are personally attacking MJ (for no reason) BUT if MJ fans respond to these ignorant posts (they are being childish?) All of yall are full of shit, have fun.

mjscarousal said:

A lot of you are really really REALLY either obtuse or just plain slow....

The comparision was between PP and Neverland, NOT comparing whether Prince was a better overall artist than MJ and vice versa. Now Prince fans are personally attacking MJ (for no reason) BUT if MJ fans respond to these ignorant posts (they are being childish?) All of yall are full of shit, have fun.

No comparison between PP and Neverland whatsoever. You realize that PP was a business.

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

A lot of you are really really REALLY either obtuse or just plain slow....

The comparision was between PP and Neverland, NOT comparing whether Prince was a better overall artist than MJ and vice versa. Now Prince fans are personally attacking MJ (for no reason) BUT if MJ fans respond to these ignorant posts (they are being childish?) All of yall are full of shit, have fun.

No comparison between PP and Neverland whatsoever. You realize that PP was a business.

Now gurl... I know you are a lot smarter than this

laurarichardson said:

Thank you for this. I loved Mike as a entertainer but it is long time for people to realize he was a very distrubed man. I am also not saying this to say that Prince was some saint with his insane womanizing and grooming but going after children is a whole different stituation.

NO ONE is talking about Neverland and PP anymore that was what the OP was originally comparing. NOW, People are comparing MJ and Prince as artists and their character (they are not mentioning Neverland or PP AT all). In your above post, you made a comparision (comparing their characters)when that has nothing to do with this thread YOU JUST DID that in the above post. This is how this whole back and forth got started.

I don't understand "this logic" that MJ fans are suppose to seat back and not respond to the hyprocrisy and if they respond that means they are starting a stan war. There is always a double standard when it comes to the Jacksons on this site.

Like I said, have fun

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

Now gurl... I know you are a lot smarter than this

laurarichardson said:

Thank you for this. I loved Mike as a entertainer but it is long time for people to realize he was a very distrubed man. I am also not saying this to say that Prince was some saint with his insane womanizing and grooming but going after children is a whole different stituation.

NO ONE is talking about Neverland and PP anymore that was what the OP was originally comparing. NOW, People are comparing MJ and Prince as artists and their character (they are not mentioning Neverland or PP AT all). In your above post, you made a comparision (comparing their characters)when that has nothing to do with this thread YOU JUST DID that in the above post. This is how this whole back and forth got started.

I don't understand "this logic" that MJ fans are suppose to seat back and not respond to the hyprocrisy and if they respond that means they are starting a stan war. There is always a double standard when it comes to the Jacksons on this site.

Like I said, have fun

PP was started as a commercial recording studio. Was Neverland a commercial recording studio or record lable.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Both were envisioned as expressions of what mattered to P and MJ. Both were intended to be safe harbors but eventually both encompassed only those who would keep their mouths’ shut and would view whatever went on inside the gates as ‘normal.’

Toward the end, both places became repositories of secrets, some illegal, and served only to distance /protect their owners from the real world. They could retreat there from reality to a place where no one would ever say ‘No’ and all the toys of their dreams lay at their feet. Both men, born in modest circumstances, used their wealth to build over-the-top edifices as monuments to their success, control and genius. However, they weren’t healthy/nurturing places to live a good life. In both cases, IMO, these places were key to their demise. Notice, I haven't referenced the similarities of their religious beliefs, the fact that both men made an effort not to look Black and, of course, the androgeny.

In truth isn't that what everyone does in their own home within their means? Build a sancatuary from the outside world? Most people try to control the flow of information coming out of their homes. Most don't want others telling them what to do in their homes. The difference is the means/money. I've seen makeshift rollercoaster built in peoples backyards, water parks of varying degrees, sculpture gardens, dirt bike trails, all kinds of things. Both men had childhood dreams and they were able to actually build them. I think the main difference is that most people want to keep up with the "Jones" so most people have things that look like what everybody else has. But there are plenty of people who have their own dreams and do things their own way.

morningsong said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Both were envisioned as expressions of what mattered to P and MJ. Both were intended to be safe harbors but eventually both encompassed only those who would keep their mouths’ shut and would view whatever went on inside the gates as ‘normal.’

Toward the end, both places became repositories of secrets, some illegal, and served only to distance /protect their owners from the real world. They could retreat there from reality to a place where no one would ever say ‘No’ and all the toys of their dreams lay at their feet. Both men, born in modest circumstances, used their wealth to build over-the-top edifices as monuments to their success, control and genius. However, they weren’t healthy/nurturing places to live a good life. In both cases, IMO, these places were key to their demise. Notice, I haven't referenced the similarities of their religious beliefs, the fact that both men made an effort not to look Black and, of course, the androgeny.

In truth isn't that what everyone does in their own home within their means? Build a sancatuary from the outside world? Most people try to control the flow of information coming out of their homes. Most don't want others telling them what to do in their homes. The difference is the means/money. I've seen makeshift rollercoaster built in peoples backyards, water parks of varying degrees, sculpture gardens, dirt bike trails, all kinds of things. Both men had childhood dreams and they were able to actually build them. I think the main difference is that most people want to keep up with the "Jones" so most people have things that look like what everybody else has. But there are plenty of people who have their own dreams and do things their own way.

Excellent post. I would argue this is something we do everyday with our homes. Our homes; what is inside our homes; the rules of our homes; the internal design of our homes, etc are extensions of who we are as individuals. The only difference with MJ and Prince is that they were larger than life figures; wealthy and rich and were very unique. They could place more into what they envisioned their homes to be because of their money and resouces. In addition, it was a safe haven from their massive celebrity and they could truly be who they wanted to be without judgement in their homes. However, most homes, houses, etc are extensions of people (so this is not completely out of the ordinary).

Grown ass adults going back and forth with memes and slick comments about two men who are now dead.

Does that shit EVER get old?

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PR4Life said:

Well something to think about is the fact that their homes represented their dreams. Prince's grew up wanting to be as big as he was, MJ didn't. As a kid, Prince wanted to be a famous musician/singer but MJ was already a famous singer as a kid so Prince got something he never had, his own studio where he can play as much music as he wanted and Mike got what he always wanted, to be a kid and just play as much as he wanted and you can't really judge him for that. There are laws against a kid working as much as MJ did....but that just my opinion.

There it is.

Prince made PP to be a haven for his creativity. It was founded to aid in his ability to make his work away from "industry" people. By the time he passed, Paisley had (from what's been said) his home for the most part. He's still there now...


Michael made Neverland to be a haven from the outside world. He spent his childhood working and by the time he had Neverland (and to an extent, Hayvenhurst), he used the ranch to live out his ideal life. By the time he passed, Michael wouldn't even step near the place but couldn't bare to let it go.

bboy87 said:

This was what was going on at Paisley Park.

#PaisleyParkHistory:

When Paisley Park opened in 1987, it was Prince's hope that the facilities would be used for more than just his projects. The 12,500 square foot soundstage was built as an adaptable space that could accommodate full-scale tour pre-production and rehearsals, custom stage build outs, photo shoots, concerts, and the production of commercials, music videos, and films.

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Free2BMe said:

Bottomline is that Paisley Park was a recording studio that Prince lived in. Neverland was Michael's HOME. Neverland was never meant to be anything except Michael's home. Because of its secluded location, narrow roads and neighbors, the estate couldn't turn it into a tourist attraction. You can bet that if they could have done that, Neverland would attract Millions from around the world. There is no doubt about that. It was because of zoning issues and other things already mentioned. There really are no parallels between Paisley Park and Neverland. Neverland was/is unbelievably beautiful.

Did you or anyone on this board get to see it in it's heyday before all the negative crap started?