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PrintableReading all this I am sickened and disgusted. We have this horrible and pernicious minority of Prince fans who not only hate and deride Michael Jackson, but still have thgis crazed idea he is a paedophile. And even worse is the Michael Jackson stans have defended him to the bloody death. . I don't think MJ was a paedophile, but he sure was strange and his friendships with young boys were not noral. We live in an intolerant world and remember Michael was parading his boyes between 1984 and 2002 the height of the Satanic panic/ supressed memories alleged abuse era with cases like Michelle Remembers, McMartin Preschool and many others (Civic Creche in my own country). Gossip gets a round and the media lit up with each MJ story, they knew he was strange and were willing to believe the worst all the time. . Unfortunately a high percentage of the "He is a paedophile who fucked 5 year old boys" are likely to be mega born again Christians and are holier than thou. Yet I am still convinced MJ must have done something with those kids. My own straw poll doen over years I have asked people from all walks of life and nearly 100% are convinced he is a gay paedophile. I don't, but he slept with boyes and may have even played doctors and nurses with him. Plus he never liked little girls as much as boys. . Neverland is unfortunately the perfect resort for the paedophile with verything, plus given the high voice, the toys, animals and fairground shit, if MJ was trying to prove he was not a paedophile, he was going about it the wrong way. Michael may have been innocent and a genius in music, but he was completely fucking stupid when it came to PR, he allowed the trial to go ahead and paid off Jordie and he still did stupid shit like spend $1 million on Peter Pan figurines and get sued when he did not pay the bill and spend megabucks on chintzy junk like gold glitter vases and big ass tables and beds. . The drugs also did not help. I loved MJ up to 1988, but then he was too strange, he could make good music, but personally I mean oh my God. He changed from an attractive black man to a white female draguete. Seriously in the last year with the wigs and the dropping jaw and fake Jackie Stallone lip impants. [Edited 7/6/17 16:31pm] Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name | |
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Meh to the parallels. [Edited 7/6/17 16:48pm] "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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May they both rest in peace.laurarichardson said: This was what was going on at Paisley Park.
When Paisley Park opened in 1987, it was Prince's hope that the facilities would be used for more than just his projects. The 12,500 square foot soundstage was built as an adaptable space that could accommodate full-scale tour pre-production and rehearsals, custom stage build outs, photo shoots, concerts, and the production of commercials, music videos, and films. In 1993, the soundstage was used to film interior shots for a feature film, #GrumpyOldMen. Although you'd never know it while watching the movie, the inside of the homes for the characters played by Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon were actually movie sets constructed at Paisley Park. Here's a clipping from the February 1, 1993 edition of the Star Tribune announcing the filming, which took place throughout the Twin Cities. -----
The entire Graffiti Bridge movie was also filmed at Paisley Park,but I don't think that was a good idea.The sets look cheap and claustrophobic.The movie should have been filmed at real nightclubs and outdoor areas,like Purple Rain was. [Edited 7/6/17 16:43pm] | |
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purplethunder3121 said: Just goes to show, even when a person is acquited TWICE in a court of law he or she is still found guilty in the eyes of the public long after that person is gone from this life. What a world. Exactly. Sadly, those people are usually too ignorant and stupid to research the facts. These are the type of people who I wouldn't trust my children to be around. It's even sadder that the people who made these false allegations are allowed to get away with it. There needs to be a law that would punish people who falsely accuse others. | |
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purplethunder3121 said: Meh to the parallels. [Edited 7/6/17 16:48pm] Yes, they are both dead. All of the hate from Prince fans is never going to change the FACT that he is dead. Yet, they still feel the need to disparage Michael. MJ fans are not that low-life. Sad, that Prince fans STILL feel threatened by Michael when he is no longer here. IDGAF if Prince fans don't like Michael, some of us don't like Prince;however, we are CLASSY enough to show respect-when he was alive and when he died. Again, Prince is dead and so is Michael. NOTHING is ever going to change that. Michael's musical legacy is still going strong after 8 years and is set in stone. Nothing is going to change that. Prince's legacy is set in stone.Nothing is going to change that. Stop the BullShit!! | |
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SoulAlive said: laurarichardson said: This was what was going on at Paisley Park.
When Paisley Park opened in 1987, it was Prince's hope that the facilities would be used for more than just his projects. The 12,500 square foot soundstage was built as an adaptable space that could accommodate full-scale tour pre-production and rehearsals, custom stage build outs, photo shoots, concerts, and the production of commercials, music videos, and films. In 1993, the soundstage was used to film interior shots for a feature film, #GrumpyOldMen. Although you'd never know it while watching the movie, the inside of the homes for the characters played by Walter Matthau and Jack Lemmon were actually movie sets constructed at Paisley Park. Here's a clipping from the February 1, 1993 edition of the Star Tribune announcing the filming, which took place throughout the Twin Cities. -----
The entire Graffiti Bridge movie was also filmed at Paisley Park,but I don't think that was a good idea.The sets look cheap and claustrophobic.The movie should have been filmed at real nightclubs and outdoor areas,like Purple Rain was. [Edited 7/6/17 16:43pm] I agree that the Graffiti Bridge movie set looked really cheap. Horrible movie, but some good songs/music. | |
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It's so fucking stupid. These two men are dead. They won Grammy awards, American Music Awards, Billboard awards, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees, #1 hits....
CAREERS SPANNING DECADES
Yet we got grown ass adults....talking shit and posting memes in a stan war. Shit is lame. You don't have to like MJ or Prince but damn....
[Edited 7/6/17 18:08pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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That's fine...But here's the thing that y'all MJ fans always seem to miss...this is NOT an MJ fan site so whenever there's negativity from y'all directed at P on the website and forum that is on a domain named for P and was created for fans of P to appreciate P, y'all will be checked...Period. . It would be different if MJ fans were on an MJ fan site, of which there are plenty where ya can discuss MJ and even bash P to y'all's hearts content and no P fan would give a llama's azz...but you're not on an MJ fan site... . You are on a tiny designated portion of a P fan site that was generously permitted by the creator and owner of that P fan site...It'd be like PP taking an unused storage cabinet beneath P's Academy Award and dedicating it to creating a small shrine to MJ, then y'all wanna take over... . No, just no... . So whenever y'all step accross the line into "I'm really a MJ fan but I feel left out and stoopit if I don't recognize the awesome that is P, so lemme try to say something slick about P under the guise that I like him", don't be shocked if P fans who don't give a crap about MJ escort you back accross that line... .
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Yeah, they won all that and they did all that, but you forgot to mention the Oscar that only P won...
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It would be a problem if Michael Jackson fans were up in Music and More raising hell and flooding that section, but at least they know better.
This is Music: Non Prince. Hell, there were people during 2010-2014 who weren't Prince fans and just came here to troll about Whitney Houston and other artists.
I swear, the mere mention of these two dudes in the same sentence and folks start itching smh "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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You obviously didn't bother reading the thread. [Edited 7/6/17 18:46pm] | |
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BOOM, this is it in a nutshell. They are the ones that ran in here and derailed the thread. I have NEVER seen a MJ fan make fun of Prince death, NEVER but you got Prince fans in here personally attacking MJ when this thread has nothing to do with that! Mods are not going to do anything because they love the MJ bashing. If anybody comes trashing MJ, I will ALWAYS stand up and say something JUST like if someone came in a thread talking side ways about Prince I would do the same thing for him too. [Edited 7/6/17 18:49pm] | |
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Umm, I DID read the thread
[Edited 7/6/17 18:48pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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that's why I said what I said. The whole back and forth in general is stupid.
You can say what you said and I said what I SAID and you are beyond fake.
Whats stupid is that Prince fans are always personally attacking MJ and making fun of his death on this site (and you know this just as well as I do) it wouldn't be a back in forth if the Prince fans and mod adminstration didn't allow this type immoral behavior.
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I swear herding MJ stans is like herding cats...
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How am I beyond fake? "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Your backtracking, you did not say the bolded originally. I called you fake because this is not the first time you have publicly said something shady and crowd pleasing but then want to turn around and pretend to be someone's friend beind the scenes. Why didn't you just say the bolded in the first place? That is EXACTLY how this whole thing got started! Instead, you ran in here insisting grown adults going back in forth (like MJ fans just going back in forth for a petty stan war) NO, I went back and forth because someone was mocking a dead man that is why I went in forth and even if this wasn't Michael, I would do the same if someone was mocking someones death and trashing their character. This type of behavior is NOT acceptable and this is the norm on this site BUT as soon as MJ fans call it out or retalitate (its a "petty stan war" "there being childish"; not considering how Prince fans are the ones that usually initiate these arguments and the mods are the ones that allow this type of behavior). It would not have been a back in forth if this site had proper moderation and banned these fonts who make fun of dead people or someone dying. It would not have been a back and forth if Prince fans did not come in here and personally attack MJ and antagnozing MJ fans. I have been on this site long enough to realize this site obviously has no respect for Michael Jackson or the Jacksons...but mocking someone dying and death...thats just crazy and mentally insane! Its crazy to me that people really expect for MJ fans to not respond or retaliate or criticize these horrible comments. Its strange to me that people are focused on memes and not someone mocking someone dying, that is what strange to me. There is no EXCUSE for that deplorable behavior...NO EXCUSE (and again you know this just as well as I do so its strange you ran in here like fans from both parties were just going back forth and arguing for the hell of it, excluding how it all began in the first place) but like you said.. you said what you said, thats fine, I said what I said, I am making note of it.
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So I couldn't make a general comment? Okay fine "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said:
Umm, I DID read the thread
[Edited 7/6/17 18:48pm] Bboy, I agree that the back and forth is stupid. However, this is what Prince fans always do. They instigate, yet expect MJ fans to sit up like a puppy and take their shit without any remarks. It doesn't matter if it's on this forum or other forums, Prince fans always think they have to tear down Michael, even he is not in the conversation. I noticed on the Music and More section of this forum, some Prince fans bring up Michael just to bash him, when it had shit to do with the discussion. I read it and didn't respond, even when what they are saying is a total lie and just a reason to bash Michael. I guess it makes them feel better and helps with their insecurities. You never hear or read about MJ fans bringing up Prince in any conversations just to bash him. If Prince is brought up on a MJ forum, it is a discussion of his talent or his career. I guess we don't have the insecurities and jealousness that some Prince fans have. Their NEED to bash Michael is petty and childish.  [Edited 7/6/17 19:59pm] | |
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That's the thing. That's been happening as long as I've been a member of this site and partly why I took my hiatus. I was making a general comment because it's pointless at this point because people won't stop until threads get locked. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said:
That's the thing. That's been happening as long as I've been a member of this site and partly why I took my hiatus. I was making a general comment because it's pointless at this point because people won't stop until threads get locked. I understand. The majority of Prince fans are rude, arrogant and egotistical. I have been on other boards where they will go into a tirade about Michael with no provocation. My sister worked with a guy who was a Prince fan and he was pathetic in his hate for Michael. He was too ignorant to know that it was ok for him to like Prince. No one cares. However, this moron thought that being a Prince fan meant you HAD to hate Michael. I am not a Prince fan. No one in my family is. However, we respect him. I was hurt when he died. We didn't disrespect him, as some of the Prince fans did Michael. That is the difference between MJ and Prince fans. Prince fans make it hard for me to become a fan of him. Their arrogance, rudeness and egotistical behavior is a huge turn off. I can understand why you took a hiatus. Ironically, some of these same Prince fans talked about him like a dog when he was alive and now they are all over the Prince bandwagon. Yuck, I can't stand bandwagon fans.  [Edited 7/6/17 20:13pm] | |
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There's no real MJ/Prince war here. It's really only 2-3 fan posters who are out of control and take things to extremes every time there's an MJ thread. As you see, theyll even turn on people who try to be on their side. | |
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Odd... . Admittedly not a P fan, but instead of seeking out the comradery of fellow MJ fans, going out of the way to be on a website created specifically for P fans...to what end?... . It's like being a vegan yet instead of going to a vegan restaurant, deliberately choosing a meat centered restaurant then complaining and feeling insulted that folks are eating meat and not taking vegan ethics into consideration...and saying "I don't eat meat, but I don't dislike meat or meat eaters..."or "I'm both a vegan and a meat eater..." . Hmmmmm...
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You knew who you were indirectly referring your comments too. Just own up to what you said, this isn't the first time you have done this. Your comments were shady and you never mentioned anything about how Prince fans came in here personally attacking Michael until I called you out on it (that is how this whole thing got started, it didn't get started in the way you originally implied). Fans weren't just bickering just to bicker. You are right, you are perfectly entitled to your feelings and you are entitled to say what you want. However, if you had a problem with something I posted or said you could have talked to me personally about that as a "friend" not come into a thread throwing indirect shade saying "grown folks arguing, does the shit get oldh" and scolding MJ fans the same as Prince fans when Prince fans are the ones that initiated the argument by being disrespectful and mocking the mans death. Yea I am sick and tired of this crap too as a fan of BOTH MJ and PRNCE, I am sick and tired of having to go into a Prince thread and Prince fans bring MJ up just to bash him or mock his death. [Edited 7/6/17 21:18pm] | |
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LBrent said:
Odd... . Admittedly not a P fan, but instead of seeking out the comradery of fellow MJ fans, going out of the way to be on a website created specifically for P fans...to what end?... . It's like being a vegan yet instead of going to a vegan restaurant, deliberately choosing a meat centered restaurant then complaining and feeling insulted that folks are eating meat and not taking vegan ethics into consideration...and saying "I don't eat meat, but I don't dislike meat or meat eaters..."or "I'm both a vegan and a meat eater..." . Hmmmmm...
[Edited 7/6/17 20:46pm] I have always said that I am not a Prince fan. I have always said that I respect his talent. I Am a musician and I respect his musicianship. I never really listened to his music that much; however, I do like some of his songs. Since his death, I have listened to more of his music from time to time. I come to this forum for the updates on other musicians and music news. When I am on this forum, It is usually this forum-Music: NON-PRINCE. For the people who are not mature enough to know the difference, one does not have to be fan in order to appreciate and respect a person. As I have previously stated, that's the difference between MJ and Prince fans. We don't feel the NEED to tear down another Prince in order to validate our fandom of Michael. We don't feel threatened by Prince for any reason. We are secure enough not to feel threatened. I would think that you Prince fans would be also. No one cares if you like or think Prince is better, that's your prerogative. Just as it is our prerogative to like or think Michael is better. Different strokes for different folks.  | |
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If that's what you need to tell yourself to get through the day...Deep down we both know you're a P fan on the down low...Carry on...
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Look at his profile, he's joined here in 2005, and has over 28,000 posts. Lawl. | |
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My comment wasn't even about you or MJ fans WTF. If I had a problem with you, I would've talked to you.
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I never said your comment was specifically about me. I said this "general comment" stuff you are spewing was indirect shade at certain people (me included) that were going back in forth and you mentioned MJ fans in that as well along with Prince fans when you were scolding the back and forth. [Edited 7/6/17 21:36pm] | |
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That's it....
I was being general in my comment because the crap has gone on for years, but it was motivated by LBrent and ML2016 aka MOL's comments. We are all too old for that slick ass comments and meme wars about two dudes who are dead.
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