MMJas said:

No, his official video for Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart.

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Hmmm...maybe because they thought it would sound bad to be promoting a song in this situation?

MMJas said:

Not assigning blame, merely trying to understand how this tragedy happened. Yes, Chris Cornell suffered from depression, alcoholism and drug abuse. Apparently he was no longer drinking and he did not take any illegal drugs, merely prescricption drugs, his toxicology report states exactly that. Just trying to figure out what might have led him to commit suicide when apparently (emphasis on the word apparently) he had gone through the worst of his depression and was now a happily married man with three kids. He was no longer drinking nor taking drugs. Why was he prescribed such powerful ansiolitics when he was a former addict? Why was the bodyguard in charge of those pills, for safe taking? Why did his wife write such a selfserving letter, talking mainly about how she "saved" him? (...)

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- Exactly my point. Only trying to understand, not hating nobody. Only speculation.

Because, when I knew he committed suicide, the first thought on my mind was ´Why didnt he commit suicide years ago, when he had problems with drugs and didnt have a beautiful family? Why now? Why commit suicide if he was clean, had a ´perfect´ family and seemed happy to be in Detroit and excited about the new album?´

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GustavoRibas said:

MMJas said:

Not assigning blame, merely trying to understand how this tragedy happened. Yes, Chris Cornell suffered from depression, alcoholism and drug abuse. Apparently he was no longer drinking and he did not take any illegal drugs, merely prescricption drugs, his toxicology report states exactly that. Just trying to figure out what might have led him to commit suicide when apparently (emphasis on the word apparently) he had gone through the worst of his depression and was now a happily married man with three kids. He was no longer drinking nor taking drugs. Why was he prescribed such powerful ansiolitics when he was a former addict? Why was the bodyguard in charge of those pills, for safe taking? Why did his wife write such a selfserving letter, talking mainly about how she "saved" him? (...)

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- Exactly my point. Only trying to understand, not hating nobody. Only speculation.

Because, when I knew he committed suicide, the first thought on my mind was ´Why didnt he commit suicide years ago, when he had problems with drugs and didnt have a beautiful family? Why now? Why commit suicide if he was clean, had a ´perfect´ family and seemed happy to be in Detroit and excited about the new album?´

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Exactly, which makes me think he was a high functioning depressive. He had managed to come through all that, drugs, alcoholism, severe depression. He had, apparently, seen the worst of it.

Regarding the video: it's not new new. But the imagery was disturbing now, because he played a man who basically cheated death from hanging. He's actually seen with a noose around his head. And his son is in the video. According do his wife, it's to protect the kids from that imagery...
The whole Higher Truth album was pretty dark, I think. In a way the answers are there: his demons were not gone, they are never gone. Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart and Murderer of Blue Skies lyrics are pretty telling. He was not in a happy place, it seems...

GustavoRibas, here are the lyrics I mentioned:

"Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart"

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as bad as that is it's still somehow not nearly as pathetic as John Lennon's lovesongs to yoko. even worse, some of those songs are fucking catchy, "oooooh yoko"

MMJas said:

GustavoRibas, here are the lyrics I mentioned:

"Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart"

Every time I stare into the sun
Trying to find a reason to go on
All I ever get is burned and blind,
Until the sky bleeds the pouring rain

When you came along the time was right
Pulled me like an apple red and ripe
Wasn't very long you took a bite
And did me wrong, and it serves me right

And I nearly forgot my broken heart
It's taking me miles away,
From the memory of how we broke apart
Here we go round again, again

Every little key unlocks the door,
Every little secret has a lie
Trying to take a picture of the sun
It won't help you to see the light
Every little word upon your lips
Makes a little cut where blood pours out
Every little drop of blood a kiss that I won't miss
Not for anything

And I nearly forgot my broken heart
It's taking me miles away,
From the memory of how we broke apart
Here we go round again

Every single feeling tells me this is leading to a heart
In broken little pieces and you know I need this
Like a hole in the head

Every single feeling tells me this is leading to a heart
In broken little pieces and you know I need this
Like a hole in the head

And I nearly forgot my broken heart
It's taking me miles away,
From the memory of how we broke apart
Here we go round again

And I nearly forgot my broken heart
It's taking me miles away,
From the memory of how we broke apart
Here we go round again..

"Murderer Of Blue Skies"

You flew in on the wind
Was a day that I won't forget
Told me to let you in
And that I would not regret it
But you had a touch as cool as rain
And only once the weather changed

Murderer of blue skies
I can't wait
To never be with you again
And I can't wait
To lead a life that you're not in
And I won't break
Though I may bend
From time to time
I can't wait to never be with you again

Now, the truth will set you free
But all you had was lying in you
So you built a cage for me
All the while pretending to be
A living saint with a thorny crown
And me condemned to be your clown
I applaud you as you take a bow

I can't wait
To never be with you again
And I can't wait
To lead a life that you're not in
And I won't break
Though I may bend
From time to time
I can't wait to never be with you

Always thought that I pride myself on patience
But it's wearing thin
Never thought that falling for you only meant
Falling down

I can't wait
To never be with you again
And I can't wait
To lead a life that you're not in
And I won't break
Though I may bend

I can't wait
To never be with you again
And I can't wait
To lead a life that you're not in
And I won't break
Though I may bend
From time to time
I can't wait to never be with you again
I can't wait to never be with you again

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MMJas said:

Exactly, which makes me think he was a high functioning depressive. He had managed to come through all that, drugs, alcoholism, severe depression. He had, apparently, seen the worst of it.

Regarding the video: it's not new new. But the imagery was disturbing now, because he played a man who basically cheated death from hanging. He's actually seen with a noose around his head. And his son is in the video. According do his wife, it's to protect the kids from that imagery...
The whole Higher Truth album was pretty dark, I think. In a way the answers are there: his demons were not gone, they are never gone. Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart and Murderer of Blue Skies lyrics are pretty telling. He was not in a happy place, it seems...

- Ahh, so it explains. I like Cornell and Soundgarden music a lot but I am not a big Cornell fan like I am a Prince fan (the kind of fan that follows everything, goes to forums, buys all stuff, etc), so I didnt watch the video. In this case, it makes sense.

Something that I always admired about Chris is that his music was very personal. Most people think he is "only" an amazing singer, but he wrote most of the best SG music alone. And the lyrics you posted indeed show he wasnt in a happy place, despite having what looked like a perfect life. Depression sucks. And it seems family wasnt so perfect too...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnWEnBQa1DE

New information. You can hear the 911 call behind the link.

Chris Cornell 911 Call Leaked Online Sparking Murder Fears

The first 911 call reporting the death of Chris Cornell has been leaked online, revealing that the musician had “suggestions of strangulation” and “trauma to the back of the head“.

The new information, not made public by the official investigation, has raised fears that Chris Cornell was murdered.

The caller, speaking from Cornell’s Detroit MGM Grand Hotel room at 1:30AM on May 18th, says, “I’m on scene with a 53-year old male, 53-year old male pulse [inaudible] on arrival with crew.”

“Unknown downtime, found by a roommate in a hotel at MGM.”

“Patient did have a exercise rubber band around his neck. Suggestions of a possible strangulation, trauma to the back of the head. History of depression. Patient is cool to the touch in all areas at this time. Pulse [inaudible], been on scene for over 30 minutes at this time.”

“Pupils are fixed and dilated. IO in the right knee, ligature marks on his neck, he have established a patent airway, [inaudible] tube.”

“We’re not able to resuscitate at this time, so we’re asking for pronouncement.”

While this new information does not completely rule out the official ruling that Chris Cornell committed suicide, it does raise serious questions about the investigation, and why the “trauma to the back of the head” was suppressed from the official report.

TrivialPursuit said:

New information. You can hear the 911 call behind the link.

Chris Cornell 911 Call Leaked Online Sparking Murder Fears

The first 911 call reporting the death of Chris Cornell has been leaked online, revealing that the musician had “suggestions of strangulation” and “trauma to the back of the head“.

The new information, not made public by the official investigation, has raised fears that Chris Cornell was murdered.

The caller, speaking from Cornell’s Detroit MGM Grand Hotel room at 1:30AM on May 18th, says, “I’m on scene with a 53-year old male, 53-year old male pulse [inaudible] on arrival with crew.”

“Unknown downtime, found by a roommate in a hotel at MGM.”

“Patient did have a exercise rubber band around his neck. Suggestions of a possible strangulation, trauma to the back of the head. History of depression. Patient is cool to the touch in all areas at this time. Pulse [inaudible], been on scene for over 30 minutes at this time.”

“Pupils are fixed and dilated. IO in the right knee, ligature marks on his neck, he have established a patent airway, [inaudible] tube.”

“We’re not able to resuscitate at this time, so we’re asking for pronouncement.”

While this new information does not completely rule out the official ruling that Chris Cornell committed suicide, it does raise serious questions about the investigation, and why the “trauma to the back of the head” was suppressed from the official report.

Lot of things don't add up on this, but I don't want to come across as some conspiracy nut. I had enough of that already, concerning Prince's death.
However, the trauma to the head, blood from the mouth, the 7 or 8 cracked ribs, the dodgy bodyguard, the divorce rumours, the dark last album, but most of all... the time between him talking to his wife who stated that she was left worried about him for slurring his speech and actually placing a call to the bodyguard. Something like half an hour???

Anything is possible, but I wouldnt see no reason for an homicide unless it was during a discussion with the bodyguard?

You all saw this? Chris really loved Prince, Purple Rain (movie) and The Beautiful Ones

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https://www.facebook.com/...mp;theater

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GustavoRibas said:

You all saw this? Chris really loved Prince, Purple Rain (movie) and The Beautiful Ones

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https://www.facebook.com/chriscornell/photos/a.116887764686.94354.5052659686/10155394714509687/?type=3&theater

Yes. Lovely letter from his daughter.

i read something about chris telling his wife he blew his voice out, which might explain the blood from the mouth. the rear of the head trauma, who knows, it doesn't say how severe or anything. It reminds me how a lot of boxing fans tried to say Arturro Gatti's wife killed him and pointed out how he had a head wound, what we learned later was that Arturro had gotten into some kind of scuffle when he was out in public that night, apparently over his being abusive to his wife. many, many fans still think that woman murdered him. I think it was a pretty obvious suicide myself and I've looked at as much evidence as I could find.

"There was something that I recognized and aspired to – to have your own voice and sound. Nobody else sounds like that guy. Nobody will.

"There is a space now and forever empty because of that," Jerry Cantrell says of Cornell's death. "It's never going to make sense. It's never going to feel right. And it's always going to hurt."

^That sums it up for me.

MMJas said:

I'm a big fan. Ultimately, we are merely speculation, on a board about Prince who also died because of medication. Who, in my opinion, also suffered from depression. But that's just my personal view.

- Now I am curious. I know it´s all speculation, but why do you think Prince had depression? We now know he had pills for anxiety, but why depression?

GustavoRibas said:

MMJas said:

I'm a big fan. Ultimately, we are merely speculation, on a board about Prince who also died because of medication. Who, in my opinion, also suffered from depression. But that's just my personal view.

- Now I am curious. I know it´s all speculation, but why do you think Prince had depression? We now know he had pills for anxiety, but why depression?

This is such a touchy subject for some people on this board, Gustavo... But yes, I believe he suffered from depression. Some of his associates have alluded to it also. He was a functioning addict/painkiller dependant and a high functioning depressive, imo.
Why? His childhood for one. Having epilepsy and the stigma associated with it. Being shorter than most guys during teenage years. The lack of love and nurturing from both his parents. The awful episodes with the mean stepfather (locking him in a room for hours?!).
He himself said that during some phases he would go into fits of depression and become physically ill because of it.

There was always a sadness about him, imo. Overall there was also a lot of tragedy, loss and pain surropunding him...

Gustavo, there's a rumour that CC and his wife were about to speak out against pedophile rings in Hollywood. His friend Brad Pitt seems to be speaking out also, although i'm not sure about the veracity of this interview.

http://www.neonnettle.com...l-america-

MMJas said:

Gustavo, there's a rumour that CC and his wife were about to speak out against pedophile rings in Hollywood. His friend Brad Pitt seems to be speaking out also, although i'm not sure about the veracity of this interview.

http://www.neonnettle.com...l-america-

that looks like a bullshit site to me.

I haven't posted in this thread in a long time... And I wanna stress that everything I said in the past and even now is purely speculative and I could be very wrong... But a couple of things that some of you guys may not be aware of...

Peter (Chris's brother) posted on social media (facebook I think) just a few days ago that he was leaving social media because he was being bullied and threatened by people wanting him to change the suicide narrative that he was pushing and that the bullying was coming from "the most unlikeliest of places," which many believe is a reference to CC's widow and mother-in-law.

It's also worth looking up this guy names "Niklussix" on youtube (just google it). The guy has been posting tons of videos regarding theories about CC being murdered by his widow's family. Honestly, somedays I feel like this guy is really onto something and posting some really incredible info and powerful evidence....and other days I wonder if this guy is full of it and totally wrong in his assessment. Either way, I gotta admit, I find the guy's videos entertaining as hell and often informative.

The guy's take on CC's "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart" video was pretty interesting because not only does CC almost get hung in that video, but this guy Niklussix refers to CC's widow and mother in law as "gypsies" involved in organized crime and witchcraft... Yeah I know it may sound a little nutty at first glance but the 2 women in the Nearly Forgot video also seem to kinda fit that description and maybe the video was more autobiographical than we realize? Niklussix's theory is that the family had the bodyguard murder CC. Look up his videos (or search online) for more info but please take it all with a grain of salt....Although I personally believe there could potentially be a lot more to this than just a suicide.

Take this all with a grain of salt...

Oh and I looked at that Hollywood pedophile news link and sorry but that looks like a fake news site to me too. Although I'm sure there ARE plenty of pedophiles in Hollywood.

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E319 said:

I haven't posted in this thread in a long time... And I wanna stress that everything I said in the past and even now is purely speculative and I could be very wrong... But a couple of things that some of you guys may not be aware of...

Peter (Chris's brother) posted on social media (facebook I think) just a few days ago that he was leaving social media because he was being bullied and threatened by people wanting him to change the suicide narrative that he was pushing and that the bullying was coming from "the most unlikeliest of places," which many believe is a reference to CC's widow and mother-in-law.

It's also worth looking up this guy names "Niklussix" on youtube (just google it). The guy has been posting tons of videos regarding theories about CC being murdered by his widow's family. Honestly, somedays I feel like this guy is really onto something and posting some really incredible info and powerful evidence....and other days I wonder if this guy is full of it and totally wrong in his assessment. Either way, I gotta admit, I find the guy's videos entertaining as hell and often informative.

The guy's take on CC's "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart" video was pretty interesting because not only does CC almost get hung in that video, but this guy Niklussix refers to CC's widow and mother in law as "gypsies" involved in organized crime and witchcraft... Yeah I know it may sound a little nutty at first glance but the 2 women in the Nearly Forgot video also seem to kinda fit that description and maybe the video was more autobiographical than we realize? Niklussix's theory is that the family had the bodyguard murder CC. Look up his videos (or search online) for more info but please take it all with a grain of salt....Although I personally believe there could potentially be a lot more to this than just a suicide.

Take this all with a grain of salt...

Oh and I looked at that Hollywood pedophile news link and sorry but that looks like a fake news site to me too. Although I'm sure there ARE plenty of pedophiles in Hollywood.

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Yes, E319, that aspect has been discussed on this thread before. There was even a letter from a CC relative saying those two women changed him. Ironically...

Regarding the site... you're probably right. Also, thanks, PeteSilas, it does look dodgy. But i did hear that CC was threatening to expose the Hollywood going ons....

i'll be glad to look if you find something credible, it's the net though, ever wacko has a platform these days.

MMJas said:

E319 said:

I haven't posted in this thread in a long time... And I wanna stress that everything I said in the past and even now is purely speculative and I could be very wrong... But a couple of things that some of you guys may not be aware of...

Peter (Chris's brother) posted on social media (facebook I think) just a few days ago that he was leaving social media because he was being bullied and threatened by people wanting him to change the suicide narrative that he was pushing and that the bullying was coming from "the most unlikeliest of places," which many believe is a reference to CC's widow and mother-in-law.

It's also worth looking up this guy names "Niklussix" on youtube (just google it). The guy has been posting tons of videos regarding theories about CC being murdered by his widow's family. Honestly, somedays I feel like this guy is really onto something and posting some really incredible info and powerful evidence....and other days I wonder if this guy is full of it and totally wrong in his assessment. Either way, I gotta admit, I find the guy's videos entertaining as hell and often informative.

The guy's take on CC's "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart" video was pretty interesting because not only does CC almost get hung in that video, but this guy Niklussix refers to CC's widow and mother in law as "gypsies" involved in organized crime and witchcraft... Yeah I know it may sound a little nutty at first glance but the 2 women in the Nearly Forgot video also seem to kinda fit that description and maybe the video was more autobiographical than we realize? Niklussix's theory is that the family had the bodyguard murder CC. Look up his videos (or search online) for more info but please take it all with a grain of salt....Although I personally believe there could potentially be a lot more to this than just a suicide.

Take this all with a grain of salt...

Oh and I looked at that Hollywood pedophile news link and sorry but that looks like a fake news site to me too. Although I'm sure there ARE plenty of pedophiles in Hollywood.

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Yes, E319, that aspect has been discussed on this thread before. There was even a letter from a CC relative saying those two women changed him. Ironically...

Regarding the site... you're probably right. Also, thanks, PeteSilas, it does look dodgy. But i did hear that CC was threatening to expose the Hollywood going ons....

Check out this article and the comment section posted today (Wed. Jun. 28th): https://www.alternativena...f-promote/

E319 said:

Check out this article and the comment section posted today (Wed. Jun. 28th): https://www.alternativena...f-promote/

I'm sorry but.. if this is what they're doing to Peter, imagine what they did to chris throghout the years.

They seem so worried that people will perceive it as their own failure that he committed suicide....

Like I said before, his wife (cause I have no doubt she's approving everything her mother does online) is bending over backwards to prove how important they were in his life. Her self serving public letter to him show just that: "you said I saved you".

Also, both women are trying to push the relapsed drug addict. Excuse me? There were no signs of that in the autopsy. No alcohol, etc. This was not a man who had relapsed, I don't think.
They are either doing it so they can take pharma to court or to save face. Why they feel the need to save face is pretty worrying to me...

This comment right here. Spot on:

"This is all pure speculation:
It is a well known fact amongst suicide researchers that already vulnerable people can be driven to take their own life after being triggered by something relatively minor such as a spousal argument. Frighteningly, Jon Lee (drummer) and Gary Speed (soccer manager) are only 2 documented cases of otherwise successful men who commited suicide after an argument to 'spite' their wives.
We know Vicky and Chris were arguing. Turning on and off the lights of the family home remotely is passive aggressive behaviour of someone who is not happy with the intended recipient of that act. Furthermore in the phone conversation Vicky accused him of taking something else other than Ativan. Chris protested, angered further by this accusation. We know from the toxicology report that he was telling the truth.
We will never know the entire contents of that conversation but it is in the interests of Vicky and by extension the Yiayia to paint everything chez Cornell as rosy as happy families. Otherwise this happened on their watch.
MIL is lashing out at anyone who contradicts this narrative. Even his own brother, the shameless woman..."

Vicky saved him and then he goes and kills himself on her watch. With a bodyguard! (I bet that guy will never get another decent job in his life.) That's what's bugging her/them and why she's on this relapse drug addict train. Perhaps even to contest his wiil we don't know. One thing is fore sure... things were not fine and dandy for poor CC...

OMG! Anyone that doubts that this is a self-serving woman with an agenda is delluded.

https://www.alternativena...tbreaking/

‘To my wife and whole universe, my child bride who became the most amazing mother anyone could ever imagine,’ wrote Chris.

‘Your love and respect inspire awe and a deep sense of joy to see you blossom into the lioness you have become, both nurturing and warm but the fiercest of protectors.’

He then added: ‘We are all fortunate to bask in the warm glow of your bright light!’

Chris signed the card by writing: ‘From your loving husband and other half.’

MMJas said:

This comment right here. Spot on:

"This is all pure speculation:
It is a well known fact amongst suicide researchers that already vulnerable people can be driven to take their own life after being triggered by something relatively minor such as a spousal argument. Frighteningly, Jon Lee (drummer) and Gary Speed (soccer manager) are only 2 documented cases of otherwise successful men who commited suicide after an argument to 'spite' their wives.
We know Vicky and Chris were arguing. Turning on and off the lights of the family home remotely is passive aggressive behaviour of someone who is not happy with the intended recipient of that act. Furthermore in the phone conversation Vicky accused him of taking something else other than Ativan. Chris protested, angered further by this accusation. We know from the toxicology report that he was telling the truth.
We will never know the entire contents of that conversation but it is in the interests of Vicky and by extension the Yiayia to paint everything chez Cornell as rosy as happy families. Otherwise this happened on their watch.
MIL is lashing out at anyone who contradicts this narrative. Even his own brother, the shameless woman..."

Vicky saved him and then he goes and kills himself on her watch. With a bodyguard! (I bet that guy will never get another decent job in his life.) That's what's bugging her/them and why she's on this relapse drug addict train. Perhaps even to contest his wiil we don't know. One thing is fore sure... things were not fine and dandy for poor CC...

Great post... I had missed that comment but you are right, it's spot on. I'm not sure what I believe actually happened, but my instincts tell me it's definitely not the narrative that the widow and M.I.L. have put out there and that there is much more to the story.

in my experience, i don't know how some of the men i've known don't just snap. I actually feel very badly for some of the men I know, the whole family jumps in and just berates and belittles the man. I'm not talking OJ's I'm talking decent, run of the mill, nice, well providing men that have to take the shit that they do. I always take a deep breathe and thank god that I've always been single, it doesn't look very fun to be honest to be in a relationship today.

The stories are running rampant; everything from Chris Cornell possibly being murdered to having ties with the Clinton's drug business.

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http://www.dailymail.co.u...mself.html

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And this article.....down to the comments section where someone goes into great detail about the 911 Call:

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https://www.alternativena...h-suicide/

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"cool to the touch in all areas at this time"? Clearly Chris Cornell was dead for sometime before these EMTs got there. The EMT states they were there for 30 min. That's not enough time for his whole body to be cold yet if he had just died a short time earlier.

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If you listen to him, it's like they come into this scene where clearly something has happened and attempts have been tried and Chris is already dead and this poor EMT and his crew just sort of go through the motions to try and resuscitate him but the EMT is stating everything he is seeing in real time. It's like he isn't convinced that what they are telling him happened really happened. He even makes sure in the very beginning that the operator can hear him clearly, but no one else does that on that entire police recording. I mean this is an hour and a half after supposedly the bodyguard originally found him!?? Why wasn't 911 called right away? I'll bet anything that when that EMT crew got there they weren't thinking Chris Cornell Hung himself and even after they were told that and that he had depression the EMT was sort of shaking it off in his voice like he knew that's not what happened.

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