thedoorkeeper said:

SoulAlive said:

you do realize that her dancing partner in that video is now a.......woman?!

Well that kills that fantasy

purplethunder3121 said:

mjscarousal said:

I am truly heartbroken and sad for Janet. I pray that this does not get messy and her and her son are safe. I pray to God she is able to get custody of her son because I know it will become a problem when she wants to move back in the States (if she even can at this point) because I know Wissam is not going to want that because he lives in London and Middle East. This is going to get messy.

Wow, it seems that happiness in the marriage department just isn't in the cards for Janet. Damned shame.

Janet should have never married his man. I have never had any good feelings about him. Yes it is a shame but see this is not the core of the problem. Wissam came around when Janet was very vunerable (after a break up from a 9 year relationship, death of brother; touring and career setbacks) Wissam smelled insecurity from a mile a way and took advantage of her insecurities and tried to control her. I pray that Janet divorces this man swiftly and then begin to work on loving and bettering herself and raising her child.

mjscarousal said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Wow, it seems that happiness in the marriage department just isn't in the cards for Janet. Damned shame.

Janet should have never married his man. I have never had any good feelings about him. Yes it is a shame but see this is not the core of the problem. Wissam came around when Janet was very vunerable (after a break up from a 9 year relationship, death of brother; touring and career setbacks) Wissam smelled insecurity from a mile a way and took advantage of her insecurities and tried to control her. I pray that Janet divorces this man swiftly and then begin to work on loving and bettering herself and raising her child.

I think they would have been okay if they had just dated and not had a child together. That changed the landscape of the relationship they had and brought their differences to the forefront. Unfortunately, now there is a child in the middle of potential conflict. I really hope they can work out co-parenting peacefully. All of this is just my opinion, of course.

purplethunder3121 said:

mjscarousal said:

Janet should have never married his man. I have never had any good feelings about him. Yes it is a shame but see this is not the core of the problem. Wissam came around when Janet was very vunerable (after a break up from a 9 year relationship, death of brother; touring and career setbacks) Wissam smelled insecurity from a mile a way and took advantage of her insecurities and tried to control her. I pray that Janet divorces this man swiftly and then begin to work on loving and bettering herself and raising her child.

I think they would have been okay if they had just dated and not had a child together. That changed the landscape of the relationship they had and brought their differences to the forefront. Unfortunately, now there is a child in the middle of potential conflict. I really hope they can work out co-parenting peacefully. All of this is just my opinion, of course.

Great points! I personally think she should have dated him longer. I don't see why she felt a need to marry him especialy since she had dated JD for as long as she did without marrying him.

mjscarousal said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I think they would have been okay if they had just dated and not had a child together. That changed the landscape of the relationship they had and brought their differences to the forefront. Unfortunately, now there is a child in the middle of potential conflict. I really hope they can work out co-parenting peacefully. All of this is just my opinion, of course.

Great points! I personally think she should have dated him longer. I don't see why she felt a need to marry him especialy since she had dated JD for as long as she did without marrying him.

All these people are saying that Janet never really wanted a child. I think that's baloney. I think she knew this was probably her last chance to have a healthy child of her own and the climate of the relationship seemed right. At the time. That's a lot of pressure and people can make mistakes. But her child is no mistake and I think, if dealt with in the right way, will bring a lot of happiness to both parents IMO. On a lighter note, it probably would have been easier on Janet (in the long run) if she had had a child by JD.

It's kind of sad but not that surprising. I was getting Halle/JLo vibes from Janet.

Extremely beautiful ladies with complicated issues and all that. There are plenty of people who seem to have it all but don't know what the hell they want.

Best wishes to her and her son going forward. Maybe she is trying to avoid a custody war.

mjscarousal said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Wow, it seems that happiness in the marriage department just isn't in the cards for Janet. Damned shame.

Janet should have never married his man. I have never had any good feelings about him. Yes it is a shame but see this is not the core of the problem. Wissam came around when Janet was very vunerable (after a break up from a 9 year relationship, death of brother; touring and career setbacks) Wissam smelled insecurity from a mile a way and took advantage of her insecurities and tried to control her. I pray that Janet divorces this man swiftly and then begin to work on loving and bettering herself and raising her child.

Oh geez. Why didn't she ask you?? You don't know her, you don't know him, you know nothing about their day to day life, but you have all the answers. You should really change your profession and make a living out of it.

SoulAlive said:

if this is true,it's probably because this guy was too controlling.He even had her dressing like a Muslim woman out in public! For a lady who once sang about having "control",that is unacceptable.

100% agree. The last thing Islam grants women is control.

purplethunder3121 said:

mjscarousal said:

Great points! I personally think she should have dated him longer. I don't see why she felt a need to marry him especialy since she had dated JD for as long as she did without marrying him.

All these people are saying that Janet never really wanted a child. I think that's baloney. I think she knew this was probably her last chance to have a healthy child of her own and the climate of the relationship seemed right. At the time. That's a lot of pressure and people can make mistakes. But her child is no mistake and I think, if dealt with in the right way, will bring a lot of happiness to both parents IMO. On a lighter note, it probably would have been easier on Janet (in the long run) if she had had a child by JD.

I definitly agree. I think Janet wanted to be a mother as well at the time because as you said this was probably her only chance left at motherhood. Your also right, no child is a mistake and everything happens for a reason. I agree it would have been IMO easier if she had married JD and started a family with him but then again who knows what might would have happened with that. JD still talks positively about Janet and obviously has great respect for her. I appreciate all your opinions in this thread.

babynoz said:

It's kind of sad but not that surprising. I was getting Halle/JLo vibes from Janet.

Extremely beautiful ladies with complicated issues and all that. There are plenty of people who seem to have it all but don't know what the hell they want.

Best wishes to her and her son going forward. Maybe she is trying to avoid a custody war.

I agree.

TrivialPursuit said:

First, I don't know what the hell this story has to do with Michael Jackson. Dude's dead, been dead, gonna stay dead. Makes no sense.

Second, no it's not a "publicity stunt". It's like people say that because they have no other thought in their head. Publicity for what? Ol' girl is fiercely private, and she has a three-month-old baby. She's also rich as fuck. What the hell does she need a tabloid sniffing around her business on purpose for??

Third, "she looked unhappy". Y'all realize a photo is a millisecond of a whole day, right? There are 86,400 seconds in a day. A photo is an incredibly small fraction of that, and suddenly "She's unhappy"? With three dozen photographers in your face, flashing lights from their cameras, you aren't smiling and posing. You're just trying to walk, find the pavement, and not fall down in order to get to your destination (either get inside wherever you're headed or get to the car). Janet has a solemn resting bitch face, as do a lot of folks. Doesn't mean they're unhappy.

Fourth, a marriage isn't "secret". It just means it's not your business who someone marries. Sure, she shared it, but because she's not live-streaming her home 24/7 doesn't mean she's in a secret marriage. It means it's her damn business. I thought this was simple to understand. She was smart to stay married to Rene and not publicize it. Even though it wasn't the age of the internet, there still would have been tremendous tabloid attention around it, and that kills almost every marriage in Hollywood. So it's not a "secret marriage" - that's a tabloid term - it's just someone trying to protect their lives.

Lastly, we have no evidence she suffers from depression, moved too fast from one relationship to another (dates schmates, you don't know a person's heart, conversations, or otherwise). We also have no evidence she's not happy with her life or career. She has clout and money and a brand name - she could do just about anything she wanted. But at 50 years old (I'm a year away from that number), sometimes you just wanna sit down for a while, have a cup of tea. Janet certainly has other things going on in her life, but she could live anywhere, have anyone around she wants, and handle anything she does or doesn't want to in order to achieve her own happiness.

The conjecture is worse that the "Prince knew he was going to die so he gave up the ghost in an elevator after recording 'that's it' at the end of 'Big City', then he put his clothes on backwards to say hi to fans before leaving notes about the museum" conspiracy bullshit. Let's just breathe, and wait to hear it from her lips.

babynoz said:

Maybe she is trying to avoid a custody war.

Things could get really ugly,especially if Janet decides that she wants to move back to America.....with her son

How Janet Jackson's marri...ail Online

You guys are crazy... Janet has never worn anything "Islamic" (wth is that?) in public. That poncho dress is an expensive Armani piece of clothing anyone can wear. She is not restricted. She released an album and did a tour whilst married. Please stop projecting stereotypes of Middle Easterners and Muslims onto her husband. You act as if any religion, atheism or agnosticism did grant women control. Nope.

SoulAlive said:

How Janet Jackson's marri...ail Online

Well, the article is from a gossip rag but it makes some good points. The fact is that it's Janet's life and who are we to judge?

FullLipsDotNose said:

You guys are crazy... Janet has never worn anything "Islamic" (wth is that?) in public. That poncho dress is an expensive Armani piece of clothing anyone can wear. She is not restricted. She released an album and did a tour whilst married. Please stop projecting stereotypes of Middle Easterners and Muslims onto her husband. You act as if any religion, atheism or agnosticism did grant women control. Nope.

Stereotypes? Read the damn Quran and Hadith.

FullLipsDotNose said:

You guys are crazy... Janet has never worn anything "Islamic" (wth is that?) in public. That poncho dress is an expensive Armani piece of clothing anyone can wear. She is not restricted. She released an album and did a tour whilst married. Please stop projecting stereotypes of Middle Easterners and Muslims onto her husband. You act as if any religion, atheism or agnosticism did grant women control. Nope.

oh come on.....we never saw Janet dress like that before her marriage to Wissam.And when she went on tour,her body was covered from head to toe.Reports are saying what many of us suspected all along: this guy was too controlling and Janet got fed up with it.She was beginning to lose her own identity.

bluegangsta said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

You guys are crazy... Janet has never worn anything "Islamic" (wth is that?) in public. That poncho dress is an expensive Armani piece of clothing anyone can wear. She is not restricted. She released an album and did a tour whilst married. Please stop projecting stereotypes of Middle Easterners and Muslims onto her husband. You act as if any religion, atheism or agnosticism did grant women control. Nope.

Stereotypes? Read the damn Quran and Hadith.

The fact is that if it wasn't for Mohammed's wife Khadijah, that Islam, as a world-wide religion, might not exist in the form that we know it...

"and when she went on tour,she was covered from head to toe"....kinda unusual for a woman who usually likes to wear slinky,sexy outfits onstage,dontcha think? Her husband was controlling her,it's plain to see

Well I guess I'm in the minority because I'm surprised. She really looked happy, IMO. Its sad when couples break up right after the birth of a child. Just comes to show, you really don't know what people are going through behind closed doors, famous or not.

SoulAlive said:

Free2BMe said:

SoulAlive said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

SoulAlive said:

oh come on.....we never saw Janet dress like that before her marriage to Wissam.And when she went on tour,her body was covered from head to toe.Reports are saying what many of us suspected all along: this guy was too controlling and Janet got fed up with it.She was beginning to lose her own identity.

What if it was her decision? It's misogynistic to assume women can't make their own decisions.

Of course it was her decision. I think she was trying to please her husband by adapting alot of his culture traditions , however, she lost her own identity in the process. Maybe this seperation is her realizing she was losing who she was and especially now since she has a child, just my opinion.

mjscarousal said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

SoulAlive said: What if it was her decision? It's misogynistic to assume women can't make their own decisions.

Of course it was her decision. I think she was trying to please her husband by adapting alot of his culture traditions , however, she lost her own identity in the process. Maybe this seperation is her realizing she was losing who she was and especially now since she has a child, just my opinion.

I don't think she has lost her identity. Every song on Unbreakable was written by her and it feels very personal. IMO, Discipline was almost completely impersonal. Last year, she also supported victims of Orlando massacre. She keeps doing the same stuff.

FullLipsDotNose said:

mjscarousal said:

Of course it was her decision. I think she was trying to please her husband by adapting alot of his culture traditions , however, she lost her own identity in the process. Maybe this seperation is her realizing she was losing who she was and especially now since she has a child, just my opinion.

I don't think she has lost her identity. Every song on Unbreakable was written by her and it feels very personal. IMO, Discipline was almost completely impersonal. Last year, she also supported victims of Orlando massacre. She keeps doing the same stuff.

While Janet has always been private and mysterious, she has never been this reclusive. She also has been very non visible when it comes to her career. Her behavior over the years has changed significantly imo.

FullLipsDotNose said:

mjscarousal said:

Of course it was her decision. I think she was trying to please her husband by adapting alot of his culture traditions , however, she lost her own identity in the process. Maybe this seperation is her realizing she was losing who she was and especially now since she has a child, just my opinion.

I don't think she has lost her identity. Every song on Unbreakable was written by her and it feels very personal. IMO, Discipline was almost completely impersonal. Last year, she also supported victims of Orlando massacre. She keeps doing the same stuff.

Very true. People keep saying lifestyle this lifestyle that, but Jermaine been Muslim, and Michael became Muslim or was studying it before he passed. I assure you her son ISSA will be raised that way.

Michael was not Muslim.

BlackCat1985 said:

No Janet fans didn't like JD because we knew he was immature.... Obviously she didn't care about his looks because she was with him for damn near a decade and even talked about wanting kids with him.

He was beneath her in every way. It's still one of the more puzzling relationships I've seen. And it certainly wasn't publicity or whatever people try to conjure up. How he snagged that for a while is ....well. I remember Chris Rock (or someone else?) talking about that, and saying something to the effect of "Y'all see Jermaine Dupri? Janet Jackson is dating Jermaine Dupri. I saw that, and thought 'fuck, we all had a chance!'". HAHAHAHA

BlackCat1985 said:

Free2BMe said:

Exactly. Who the f**k brought Michael into this conversation; except, this idiot who brought him up? This conversation has nothing to do with Michael. Btw, Janet DID look happier with Jermaine Dupri. She even stated that her family really liked him. She and Jermaine did an interview with Larry King and he asked her if she and Jermaine were going to get married. Janet stated that Jermaine had Not asked her to marry him. IMO, if he had asked her , she would have married him. However, Janet fans didn't like JD, because they thought he didn't look "good enough" for them and for Janet. They liked the idea of her being with a "billionaire" and so did Janet.

No Janet fans didn't like JD because we knew he was immature. JD still describes himself as a "young dude". He still has that mind set. Janet knew that wasn't changing. She was right to leave that relationship. Obviously she didn't care about his looks because she was with him for damn near a decade and even talked about wanting kids with him.

But There were a lot of Janet fans who felt that JD was not good looking enough for Janet and was beneath her and I always found that strange because if Janet loved him why does his appearance or status matter? As soon as she got with Wissam, they fond over his looks and felt he was better suited for Janet because of his wealth and reclusiveness.