You can tell they still left out a lot of stuff about Bobby, no doubt to set up his own biopic.

The whole 1986-1988 transition was downplayed too. BBD and Ralph have alrwady given a play by play about what really happened in two seperate interviews from years ago. But the movie does give you the gist of it.

They made a reference to how Bobby swagger jacked Ralph during the Don't Be Cruel era. That also had a lot to do with Ralph's saltiness. He already had a vision for his solo debut, but had to go a different direction when the time actually came.

Adisa said:

Proof?

Adisa said:

MD431Madcat said:

ok "MR fruity" knows few little r&b licks...

Johnny is a multi-instrumentalist and has actually played all the insruments on more than a few of his cuts.

I really enjoyed The Soul Brother Show's tribute to NE It brings back so many great memories Where It All Started: The New Edition Tribute http://soulbrothershow.podbean.com/

MD431Madcat said:

Proof?

Adisa said:

Johnny is a multi-instrumentalist and has actually played all the insruments on more than a few of his cuts.

You are welcome to check to liner notes of some of his CDs if you want proof.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Adisa said:

Johnny is a multi-instrumentalist and has actually played all the insruments on more than a few of his cuts.

He's not much of a writer tho, I find that weird.

Meh.

I dont even remember what CD that was my gf had back in the day, but checking the liner notes he was listed as guitarist, bassist, and keyboard player on a few of the cuts...filler tracks I think, maybe one of the radio singles, too.

MD431Madcat said:

Proof?

Freddie Perren, Christine Perren, Elliot Wolff - writers
Johnny Gill - Fender bass, guitars, funk bass, live drums, bongos, lead vocals
Freddie Perren - Linn drum programming
Elliot Wolff - synthesizers
Robert Bowles - guitar programmer
Maxine Waters, Julia Waters, Carmen Twillie, Richard Wyatt Sr., Rancella Ferguson, Ronald Adkins, Gary Efford, Harold Ferguson - background vocals
arranged by Freddie Perren & Elliot Wolff

the song sucks and im sure we would've seen Mr Fruity playing live if he really could get down.

hell even Janet has some percussion credits for beating a coke bottle in MJs pressence..

MickyDolenz said:

MD431Madcat said:

Proof?

Freddie Perren, Christine Perren, Elliot Wolff - writers
Johnny Gill - Fender bass, guitars, funk bass, live drums, bongos, lead vocals
Freddie Perren - Linn drum programming
Elliot Wolff - synthesizers
Robert Bowles - guitar programmer
Maxine Waters, Julia Waters, Carmen Twillie, Richard Wyatt Sr., Rancella Ferguson, Ronald Adkins, Gary Efford, Harold Ferguson - background vocals
arranged by Freddie Perren & Elliot Wolff

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Cinny said:

Awesome

Suge used to be Bobby's bodyguard

what 'Pro' musical person can't hit some timbales?

MickyDolenz said:

any Real guitarist will tell you he's sloppy..

his tone sucks and he's just messin' around.

*** stars for effort though..

i still REALLY dislike the guy.

To me -

he's Nasty and hiding something...

MickyDolenz said:

MD431Madcat said:

phunkdaddy got Jokes!!! Ha Ha!!!

phunkdaddy said:

MD431Madcat said:

any Real guitarist will tell you he's sloppy..

his tone sucks and he's just messin' around.

*** stars for effort though..

i still REALLY dislike the guy.

To me -

he's Nasty and hiding something...

I sure hope you find what it is he's hiding so you can sleep at night.

phunkdaddy is killin' me

I felt the biopic was a smash success and (aside from a FEW minor details) was a very factual and accurate depiction!

On the subject/debate between Ralph and Johnny, I personally always felt that Johnny had the better vocals/sound but may have lacked on the performer/dancer bit that Ralph may have had. Any of us can find any two similar artists and draw a similar comparison/analysis.

And I was VERY pleased they mentioned Cameo (Larry Blackmon) producing BB's solo album in '86.

And I've ALWAYS thought Ralph's "Sensitivity" was always meant for MJ, possibly for his '91 Dangerous LP. The lyrics, style, composition/production (to me) just SCREAMS MJ. Then again, Ralph has always somewhat channelled the Great One..........

LittleBLUECorvette said:

So far, Kurtis Blow and Staci Lattisaw are upset.

I guess Stacy isn't upset with Johnny's brother (who was in the 1990s group II D Extreme). As far as Kurtis denying what happened in the movie, there's a Vibe magazine article about NE around the time of Home Again that says Kurtis didn't like NE during that tour with Madonna. It didn't go into any details though. So it seems odd that NE would make up (according to Kurtis) a similar story 20 years apart about something pretty random and not that big of a deal.

Adisa said:

You can tell they still left out a lot of stuff about Bobby, no doubt to set up his own biopic.

The whole 1986-1988 transition was downplayed too. BBD and Ralph have alrwady given a play by play about what really happened in two seperate interviews from years ago. But the movie does give you the gist of it.

They made a reference to how Bobby swagger jacked Ralph during the Don't Be Cruel era. That also had a lot to do with Ralph's saltiness. He already had a vision for his solo debut, but had to go a different direction when the time actually came.

Hey when you get a chance can you link to the articles that you're referrencing about the 86-88 transition, or can you let me know what publication they appeared in! Thanks

I recently read a really good oral history style article on the heartbreak albuum where they talked about some of that stuff, but more in context of the making of that album as opposed to specific group dynamics.

PurpleMusic07 said:

Adisa said:

You can tell they still left out a lot of stuff about Bobby, no doubt to set up his own biopic.

The whole 1986-1988 transition was downplayed too. BBD and Ralph have alrwady given a play by play about what really happened in two seperate interviews from years ago. But the movie does give you the gist of it.

They made a reference to how Bobby swagger jacked Ralph during the Don't Be Cruel era. That also had a lot to do with Ralph's saltiness. He already had a vision for his solo debut, but had to go a different direction when the time actually came.

Hey when you get a chance can you link to the articles that you're referrencing about the 86-88 transition, or can you let me know what publication they appeared in! Thanks

I recently read a really good oral history style article on the heartbreak albuum where they talked about some of that stuff, but more in context of the making of that album as opposed to specific group dynamics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJHPuJvWyls

Interestingly, the interview Ralph gave on the radio was removed from youtube some years ago...or I just can't locate it. But in that interview he basically talked about his and Bobby's relationship after Bob was voted out, and how his "Living in Dreamworld" vision was shared with Bob, and Bob took that vision for his "Don't Be Cruel" era with the two dancers, the fashion, the whole swag about it.. The other guys tried to fire Ralph based on the incident in the link. But the record label wouldn't let that happen. Ralph wanted to go release a solo project, but the label wouldn't let that happen either, LOL. So there was hella tension during the making of NE Heartbreak. In that very interview, after all these years, Ralph literally said, "Johnny was bought in to replace Bob...he was brought in to replace ME!"

i saw this earlier on Youtube..

I like Mr Gill considerably more after watching this.

JabarR74 said:

JabarR74 said:

Lawd! That show was so unintentionally funny! They were a hot mess together. I remember one episode.....Christmas carolers came to the door and Whitney was standing there with one shoe on.They were a hoot!

I loved that show, while a lot of other people hated it for the very same reason: They were regular black folks It showed them in almost every human light imaginable. This was just as the whole "reality" thing hit the ridiculous levels it sits at now. It was just too "real" for a lot of people to be comfortable with.

The NE Story will be on tomorrow