LittleBLUECorvette said:

missfee said:

Does the timinig really matter? IMO, it's more about the content of each project and the production. BBD's focus wasn't the same as NE's...they had more of a hip hop/R&B combo going on that wasn't very common back then. It was catchy, and edgy and it worked. Next with JG, his focus was R&B but he had a few more dance tracks than Ralph...plus JG is a far better singer than Ralph. After those two down, then you have Ralph's album which was a like a continuation of the NE Heartbreak album...more of the same of what we have heard before..just without "those four other guys".

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Timing matters, especially with off shots of former groups. He was the last one to release. He needed to be the first one out since he was lead. Maybe everyone was NE'd out by late 1990.

What is your obsession with Ralph's album not being released first? It wasn't and nothing can change it.

Timing was a part of it but MATERIAL is the biggest factor why Ralph's solo debut isn't as good as the BBD debut or Johnny's Motown Debut. They had better songs IMO

Abdul said:

Timing was a part of it but MATERIAL is the biggest factor why Ralph's solo debut isn't as good as the BBD debut or Johnny's Motown Debut. They had better songs IMO

Another unfortunate truth. Ralph's strongest stuff was front-loaded to the first half of that album, and sprinkled with 1 or 2 jewels toward the end.

missfee said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

missfee said:

What is your obsession with Ralph's album not being released first? It wasn't and nothing can change it.

Riz is the got damned man, that's why! Hell, that's like Marlon, Tito and Jackie releasing a group album before Mike. That Randy comes out with a solo releaae, lol

Randy did it all wrong. "I'ma form my own muhfuckin' group! They ain't ready fuh this!".

scorp84 said:

missfee said:

phunkdaddy said:

missfee said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

missfee said:

Not sure. Perhaps that was part of the reason why he was salty. BBD was feeling themselves too...and made sure Ralph knew it. LOL

For real, how did the damn extras of the group release a record before the lead singer? How Johnny releaae one right after joining the group. Those 2 fed off the NE campaign as there's came out in the spring on 90. Ralphs came outin the winter of 90. His album didn't do as well as Johnny and BBD. I think both were top 5 on the Billboard 200 and Ralphs was 17. Not bad but I bet if Ralph came out first hos would have done better.

Does the timinig really matter? IMO, it's more about the content of each project and the production. BBD's focus wasn't the same as NE's...they had more of a hip hop/R&B combo going on that wasn't very common back then. It was catchy, and edgy and it worked. Next with JG, his focus was R&B but he had a few more dance tracks than Ralph...plus JG is a far better singer than Ralph. After those two down, then you have Ralph's album which was a like a continuation of the NE Heartbreak album...more of the same of what we have heard before..just without "those four other guys".

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Truth. Bobby,JG,and BBD were wrecking shit and Ralph came out with that Candy Ass
Sensitivity.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

phunkdaddy said:

Truth. Bobby,JG,and BBD were wrecking shit and Ralph came out with that Candy Ass
Sensitivity.

My My My is trash

phunkdaddy said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

My My My is trash

You wish
JG was the real Stone Cold Gentleman in 1990.

scorp84 said:

Abdul said:

Timing was a part of it but MATERIAL is the biggest factor why Ralph's solo debut isn't as good as the BBD debut or Johnny's Motown Debut. They had better songs IMO

Another unfortunate truth. Ralph's strongest stuff was front-loaded to the first half of that album, and sprinkled with 1 or 2 jewels toward the end.

Maybe Jam & Lewis should have produced all the tracks on his first album....cause some of the tracks felt like fillers. Anyway I really love his song from the Mo Money Soundtrack (1992)

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

phunkdaddy said:

You wish
JG was the real Stone Cold Gentleman in 1990.

On the real, I never cared for My My My the song. That sound like it was for Keith Washington or some shit.

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2016 photo

This is a solo single Ronnie released in 1998. There was also an album recorded at the time, but it was never released

I wonder the story on how Ralph was able to get Alright Now from MJ.

phunkdaddy said:

BBD & Tito Jackson (2016)

Jackie Jackson, Bobby Brown, Suge Knight

Janet Jackson, Bobby Brown, Eddie Murphy

Michael Jackson, Ralph Tresvant

Janet Jackson, Jimmy Jam, Johnny Gill

As mentioned, Ralph and his debut just didn't knock it out the park like the other NE related projects at the time. Ralph was still in the NE mode with songs like "sensitivity" and inparticular "do what I gotta do", which woulda fit right in on a NE record. Problem being they were a little "soft" when compared to Brown, BBD and Gill. Ralph tended to favour ballads, but Johnny and Bobby did both excellent slow jams and slammin' uptempo's. Heck even BBD had a few good ballads too. Ralph's debut lacked those uptempo's and just seemed a little too soft for 1990. He did have one good uptempo though with "Stone cold gentleman". That track slams. I must revisit the album, but some of the album tracks seemed a little underwhelming despite some decent producers. I wonder if Bobby told Teddy Riley not to work with him LOL?

I get the feeling theres alot of cuttting room floor material on his debut. "Alright now" is pure pop, and seems outta place and was probably recorded early on for example as that screams poppy New Edition type fare. Need to listen to it again, but his second album, "It's goin' down" actually had a few of my favs from him and he finally did some great uptempo cuts! Shame the album sunk though and said cuts probably sounded a little dated by '94.

thesexofit said:

As mentioned, Ralph and his debut just didn't knock it out the park like the other NE related projects at the time. Ralph was still in the NE mode with songs like "sensitivity" and inparticular "do what I gotta do", which woulda fit right in on a NE record. Problem being they were a little "soft" when compared to Brown, BBD and Gill. Ralph tended to favour ballads, but Johnny and Bobby did both excellent slow jams and slammin' uptempo's. Heck even BBD had a few good ballads too. Ralph's debut lacked those uptempo's and just seemed a little too soft for 1990. He did have one good uptempo though with "Stone cold gentleman". That track slams. I must revisit the album, but some of the album tracks seemed a little underwhelming despite some decent producers. I wonder if Bobby told Teddy Riley not to work with him LOL?

I don't think Ralph could've snagged Teddy by that time anyway. He was in full "Guy/MJ" lockdown mode during that time lol. I didn't even think he got strong LaFace records on that album. They sound nothing like the stuff they were cooking up then for everybody else.

scorp84 said:

thesexofit said:

As mentioned, Ralph and his debut just didn't knock it out the park like the other NE related projects at the time. Ralph was still in the NE mode with songs like "sensitivity" and inparticular "do what I gotta do", which woulda fit right in on a NE record. Problem being they were a little "soft" when compared to Brown, BBD and Gill. Ralph tended to favour ballads, but Johnny and Bobby did both excellent slow jams and slammin' uptempo's. Heck even BBD had a few good ballads too. Ralph's debut lacked those uptempo's and just seemed a little too soft for 1990. He did have one good uptempo though with "Stone cold gentleman". That track slams. I must revisit the album, but some of the album tracks seemed a little underwhelming despite some decent producers. I wonder if Bobby told Teddy Riley not to work with him LOL?

I don't think Ralph could've snagged Teddy by that time anyway. He was in full "Guy/MJ" lockdown mode during that time lol. I didn't even think he got strong LaFace records on that album. They sound nothing like the stuff they were cooking up then for everybody else.

I was about to say that La Reid/Babyface don't even have a cut on the album. Main collaborators Daryl Simmons and Kayo are there, and La Reid co-writes "Stone cold gentleman" (the hardest cut) and Babyface co-writes another, but that's about it!

Bad timing (took too long), over-satuaration of NE related material and a generally too soft image and music, could be blamed for the lukewarm sales of his debut compared to his companions.

"Sensitivity" is a classic in my book though. Pure Jam/Lewis, so he'll always have that one cut for radio and live performances

Truth!

Ralph looked and sounded 'Soft' -compared to Bobby and BBD...

cant stand JG though...

phunkdaddy said:

Truth. Bobby,JG,and BBD were wrecking shit and Ralph came out with that Candy Ass Sensitivity.

Gotta say, prefer Johnny's uptempo's to his ballads. Brother can do both really well, but you can't fuck with "Rub you the right way". Monster track, killer vocals. "The floor" and "Provocative" (all Jam/Lewis), hit the spot too. I love some of his slow jams too, and he's done a few nice pop ballads like "I'm still waiting" and "Maybe", but like other rnb acts by the mid 90's, the tempo got slower and in Gill's case, his 1996 "let's get the mood right" is pretty much all ballads and slow jams from what I remember? A shame as he could really get on top of those faster cuts.

thesexofit said:

Gotta say, prefer Johnny's uptempo's to his ballads. Brother can do both really well, but you can't fuck with "Rub you the right way". Monster track, killer vocals. "The floor" and "Provocative" (all Jam/Lewis), hit the spot too. I love some of his slow jams too, and he's done a few nice pop ballads like "I'm still waiting" and "Maybe", but like other rnb acts by the mid 90's, the tempo got slower and in Gill's case, his 1996 "let's get the mood right" is pretty much all ballads and slow jams from what I remember? A shame as he could really get on top of those faster cuts.

I liked The Floor and Provocative a lot too.

phunkdaddy said:

MickyDolenz said:

Jackie Jackson, Bobby Brown, Suge Knight

Janet Jackson, Bobby Brown, Eddie Murphy

Awesome

MD431Madcat said:

ok "MR fruity" knows few little r&b licks...

MickyDolenz said:

http://prince.org/msg/8/408258

Johnny is a multi-instrumentalist and has actually played all the insruments on more than a few of his cuts.