And would NE been successful without him? Remember, Johnny wasn't near the scene yet.
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He would've been successful, but it's hard to tell the extent of it. He would've been going it alone against the likes of his idol, MJ, among others. So, alot of it depends on the strength of his performances, songwriters and producers, and timing. Bobby Brown was just a different animal lol. He just had an unbridled, raw energy that commanded everybody's attention. Even if it was left to him to be the leader after Ralph, he could only be contained for so long. | |
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He would've been successful, but it's hard to tell the extent of it. He would've been going it alone against the likes of his idol, MJ, among others. So, alot of it depends on the strength of his performances, songwriters and producers, and timing. Bobby Brown was just a different animal lol. He just had an unbridled, raw energy that commanded everybody's attention. Even if it was left to him to be the leader after Ralph, he could only be contained for so long. Ralph as a kid, would not be goin up against Mike. He'd be in his own area. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Ralph's style was 95% Mike and 5% B-Boy as a kid, and at that point, MJ had already ruined it for young black pop stars after the 70s. Once you made that splash, kid or not, you were a potential threat lol. | |
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Ralph's style was 95% Mike and 5% B-Boy as a kid, and at that point, MJ had already ruined it for young black pop stars after the 70s. Once you made that splash, kid or not, you were a potential threat lol. A 13 year old Ralph was no threat to Michael just like a 13 year old MJ was no threat to Isaac Hayes. Maybe Ralph was a threat to Michael Bivins lol. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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No, MJ was SOMETHING ELSE lmao. Isaac Hayes wasn't even on his radar lol. I'm not saying Ralph was a threat to surpass Michael, but he would've been playing with the big boys because Mike raised the standards. | |
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As much as I liked Ralph (he and Ron were my favs in New Edition)....vocally he couldn't hold a candle to MJ or Stevie at that age Keep Calm & Listen To Prince | |
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Nah man, it was some obscuro named Gordon Jones along with Bobby. Both wrote it too. Gene Griffin would never produce something that soft LOL.
Good call on it sounded like a "King of stage" outtake. I bet it was done early in the sessions. I seem to remember his voice sounding abit younger too on that one? Nice cut though. | |
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TV Ratings: BET's 'New Edition' Miniseries Was a Massive HitJanuary 31, 2017 | by Michael O'Connell | The Hollywood Reporter It seems unlikely that BET brass had any idea how well The New Edition Story would play with their audience. Because it played very, very well. [Edited 2/1/17 18:00pm] You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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IMO, Bobby had the best voice in those early years. Ralph got better by "heartbreak". Ricky Bell was the real surprise though.
Bobby just had a natural voice you believed in and was macho. Ralph sounded too squeaky clean, even on his solo records.
The pressure for Ralph to deliver on his debut, after all the other members hit the ground running, musta been immence. Particually BBD, who just surprised everyone with their debut.
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I tend to believe the opposite about Bobby lol. I think he got better after "Don't Be Cruel". I think its no coincidence that his vocals improved after hooking up with Whitney lol. Just listen to his live show in Japan from '91 and the "Bobby" album. Ralph's vocals were clearly MJ-influenced from day 1. He's improved with each release. | |
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Oh yeah definately. I just meant I preferred Bobby's voice to Ralph's in those early years. I also think Bobby's voice improved too. "Bobby", the album, has some real underated material. He sings his ass off on the middle 8 of "Pretty little girl" for example. | |
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I don't think so. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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It was entertainlng and really well done. I was at best a casual fan of NE et al when they were in their heydays. But the special helped me appreciate their music and their stories even more. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Thanks for posting this. There's a few other vids of this interview on YouTube but the quality is awful. My takeaways:
-Seems like it was more Ralph vs. BBD with Bobby and JG sitting back and being entertained.
-Ron made it a point to walk right in front of Ralph.
-Ralph sure was salty, wasn't he?
-I want to know what Bobby and JG were whispering and snickering about in the back.
-I never realized until now that Mike had security clips on his clothes. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said:
Thanks for posting this. There's a few other vids of this interview on YouTube but the quality is awful. My takeaways:
-Seems like it was more Ralph vs. BBD with Bobby and JG sitting back and being entertained.
-Ron made it a point to walk right in front of Ralph.
-Ralph sure was salty, wasn't he?
-I want to know what Bobby and JG were whispering and snickering about in the back.
-I never realized until now that Mike had security clips on his clothes. Why the hell didn't Ralph release his album before BBD and Johnny? PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Not sure. Perhaps that was part of the reason why he was salty. BBD was feeling themselves too...and made sure Ralph knew it. LOL I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Not sure. Perhaps that was part of the reason why he was salty. BBD was feeling themselves too...and made sure Ralph knew it. LOL For real, how did the damn extras of the group release a record before the lead singer? How Johnny releaae one right after joining the group. Those 2 fed off the NE campaign as there's came out in the spring on 90. Ralphs came outin the winter of 90. His album didn't do as well as Johnny and BBD. I think both were top 5 on the Billboard 200 and Ralphs was 17. Not bad but I bet if Ralph came out first hos would have done better. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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I'm still trying to find a way to watch this. "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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I'm still trying to find a way to watch this. It's all over youtube and facebook. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Does the timinig really matter? IMO, it's more about the content of each project and the production. BBD's focus wasn't the same as NE's...they had more of a hip hop/R&B combo going on that wasn't very common back then. It was catchy, and edgy and it worked. Next with JG, his focus was R&B but he had a few more dance tracks than Ralph...plus JG is a far better singer than Ralph. After those two down, then you have Ralph's album which was a like a continuation of the NE Heartbreak album...more of the same of what we have heard before..just without "those four other guys". [Edited 2/6/17 4:31am] I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Does the timinig really matter? IMO, it's more about the content of each project and the production. BBD's focus wasn't the same as NE's...they had more of a hip hop/R&B combo going on that wasn't very common back then. It was catchy, and edgy and it worked. Next with JG, his focus was R&B but he had a few more dance tracks than Ralph...plus JG is a far better singer than Ralph. After those two down, then you have Ralph's album which was a like a continuation of the NE Heartbreak album...more of the same of what we have heard before..just without "those four other guys". [Edited 2/6/17 4:31am] Timing matters, especially with off shots of former groups. He was the last one to release. He needed to be the first one out since he was lead. Maybe everyone was NE'd out by late 1990. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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I agree about timing. Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but Johnny's album was a Motown release was it not? The rest of the guys were still with MCA, so I think that probably had the biggest impact on staggering each album launch. Each artist, except for Ralph, came out of the box with the hard-hitting dance tracks (followed by ballads), while Ralph chose "Sensitivity". It's a great song, but, in hindsight, it wasn't the strongest opening intro Ralph couldv'e made for his solo debut. "Rated R" would've been the logical fit, but I do understand his attempt to separate himself from the other guys in a way and make his own lane. | |
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I agree about timing. Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but Johnny's album was a Motown release was it not? The rest of the guys were still with MCA, so I think that probably had the biggest impact on staggering each album launch. Each artist, except for Ralph, came out of the box with the hard-hitting dance tracks (followed by ballads), while Ralph chose "Sensitivity". It's a great song, but, in hindsight, it wasn't the strongest opening intro Ralph couldv'e made for his solo debut. "Rated R" would've been the logical fit, but I do understand his attempt to separate himself from the other guys in a way and make his own lane. Maybe he was gonna come out with something bangin but BBD and JG did so maybe he wanted to change the pace. The movie did mention that Bobby also did everything he was trying to do in Don't Be Cruel. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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