PatrickS77 said:

Deadflow3r said:

Things happen in 3's. Bowie, Prince and George Michael. Many other deaths also but I had a feeling one more living legend in popular music was going to fall. Waited, whew, thought it wasn't going to happen: Wham, I was wrong! Another great set of pipes is gone. So sad. (sorry for your loss TinaZ).

Wow. That's awfully selective. If you wanna stick to your theory. How about Rick Parfitt (Status Quo), George Michael and Carrie Fisher? Three cultural icons, who died within days.

I ddn't realize that Carrie Fisher had a great set of pipes, wow; learn something new every day!

I also didn't know that Rick Parfitt was a "living legend" and household name.

[Edited 12/27/16 12:30pm]

PeteSilas said:

George certainly went through a lot of stages, i still remember the period where the public was already convinced he was gay and he said something like "i will never dignify that with an answer" meaning he wouldn't answer either way. But he did have a girlfriend around the time of Faith that was in the in want your se video, asian woman. He says he didn't really know he was gay til he was 27, kinda odd, everyone else was pretty sure he was as soon as he hit the scene.

His sexuality is not as confusing to me as how he acted it out. He says he cruised parks because he liked sex with stranger and also that the man he got caught with a few years ago was a late fifties tubby guy who said that a lot of men were repulsed by him but george went right at him. That's kinda wierd, George was a good looking man, a guy who didn't have to do those things. I guess maybe the sneaking around and the risk was part of the thrill. we all have our quirks, I know i do. but its a tough one to understand.

I remember that interview. I feel like it was the Older period, since was doing next to no interviews during LWP era. I also remember him saying "it's no one's business!". In fact, now that I think about it, it could have been an interview when Unplugged was about to air. Still the same Older era. He knew before 27 that he was gay. To be technically he noted a couple of years before that he realized he had no choice in this, and that he wasn't bi, but gay. Just to play semantics, he knew. He knew. He just didn't admit it to himself until his mid-20s. But he knew. We all know who we are, especially by that age. And ol' girl in the video, I think, was also a make-up artist (perhaps his), and the girlfriend yes. Ironically, it was a body double in the video for him. George is left-handed, the double writing "MONOGAMY" on the girl's body is right handed. haha

As far as the "didn't have to do those things" when going towards a 50-year old hefty guy - just because he's aesthetically pleasing doesn't mean he's meant to sleep with the same. How boring - guys sleeping with their proverbial twins. Lame! If gays want to "celebrate diversity", then let them. There is such a thing as a chub and a chaser. GM isn't resorting to sleeping with a fat guy because he's hiding something. He's shagging a tubby guy because he wanted to. You demean and disrespect guys who are big by thinking they're less-than, or they're a last option, or undesirable in some respect. Listen, I'm a big dude, and I get 20-somethings half my age, and less than half my weight barking up my tree all the time. (And I let them right in treehouse, don't think I don't!) They love a big boy, and I love them right back for a few hours, or a long weekend. They could get any other 20-somethings their age, in their college dorm, or wherever easily. But they came at me. Not because they were out of options, but because they wanted to. Same with George, and anyone else. He's a celebrity and could fuck anyone he wanted probably. Who he chooses is not a reflection on anyone good or bad. It's simply his choice, and it's fine.

To be clear, he liked anonymous sex - which mean just random hook ups. People here would choke if I told them how many people I've slept with. I regret none of them, because it's what I choose to do, freely. GM was the same.

It's not hard to understand. Once a person accepts who they are, and explores that and learns their ins and outs (no pun), then the only battle is who's next.

Latin said:

Thanks so sharing TrivialPursuit. What you shared reminded me of "My Mother Had a Brother": https://m.youtube.com/wat...4fANPiH9bU

That, and "John and Elvis Are Dead" come to mind, when it comes to living life, and grieving loss.

Deadflow3r said:

PatrickS77 said:

Deadflow3r said:

I ddn't realize that Carrie Fisher had a great set of pipes, wow; learn something new every day!

I also didn't know that Rick Parfitt was a "living legend" and household name.

[Edited 12/27/16 12:30pm]

I said "cultural icon". Status Quo have been in the business since 50 years and sold over 120 mio. records. They are a household name.

Sorry Florence Henderson is gone and Alan Thicke, my point is not to make light of any death; my point is that these three had memorable albums, pipes and showmanship that put them in the same league as Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury; a league that few entertainers ever reach. Bowie, Prince and George Michael could sell out in North American, South America, Europe,Australia,and Asia and often did. Status Quo was, much like the late Johnny Winter, much respected but not necessarily known world wide.

[Edited 12/27/16 13:29pm]

Deadflow3r said:

PatrickS77 said:

Deadflow3r said:

Sorry Florence Henderson is gone and Alan Thicke, my point is not to make light of any death; my point is that these three had memorable albums, pipes and showmanship that put them in the same league as Michael Jackson and Freddie Mercury; a league that few entertainers ever reach.

Yes, but those 2 died before the other 3. And I'm not sure they are on the same level world wide. And in your theory, you have months in between deaths and leave out another legend like Leonard Cohen for example. A series really needs to be within days. If you take months in account and ommit others you can always end up with three. That was my point.

Cohen clearly a musical genius but playing to screaming crowds of 15,000? Pop legend? Clearly a great life but what I am saying is that for 3 who had so much in common, to die the same year is very striking. It seems to happen in singles, or 3's.

Deadflow3r said:

As big as Status Quo were in Europe, they were practically unknown in North America--just one top 20 single in the U.S. I believe. So household names there, they were definitely not. There's a reason why the Rick Parfitt thread only got three replies.

Deadflow3r said:

PatrickS77 said:

Deadflow3r said: Yes, but those 2 died before the other 3. And I'm not sure they are on the same level world wide. And in your theory, you have months in between deaths and leave out another legend like Leonard Cohen for example. A series really needs to be within days. If you take months in account and ommit others you can always end up with three. That was my point.

Cohen clearly a musical genius but playing to screaming crowds of 15,000? Pop legend? Clearly a great life but what I am saying is that for 3 who had so much in common, to die the same year is very striking. It seems to happen in singles, or 3's.

Leonard Cohen concerts were huge.

Deadflow3r said:

Things happen in 3's. Bowie, Prince and George Michael. Many other deaths also but I had a feeling one more living legend in popular music was going to fall. Waited, whew, thought it wasn't going to happen: Wham, I was wrong! Another great set of pipes is gone. So sad. (sorry for your loss TinaZ).

Things may happen in 3's but there have been many more notables that have died this year, other then the 3 you mentioned.

sexton said:

sexton said:

PennyPurple said:

ABC News’ 20/20 will look at the life and legacy of George Michael, following his unexpected death on Sunday.

George Michael: Faith, Freedom, and His Final Hours airs tonight at 10 PM on ABC.

PatrickS77 said:

sexton said:

As big as Status Quo were in Europe, they were practically unknown in North America--just one top 20 single in the U.S. I believe. So household names there, they were definitely not. There's a reason why the Rick Parfitt thread only got three replies.

Yes. This isn't a rock oriented board and Rick Parfitt isn't transcendent like, say, Lemmy. But that doesn't change the fact that they were known around the world.

Only if "around the world" is just Europe and Australia.

Identity said:

ABC News’ 20/20 will look at the life and legacy of George Michael, following his unexpected death on Sunday.

George Michael: Faith, Freedom, and His Final Hours airs tonight at 10 PM on ABC.

About time someone the media did something for him, because their coverage has been very sparse. And now I see that they've added Carrie Fisher to the line up on 20/20 tonight.

Identity said:

ABC News’ 20/20 will look at the life and legacy of George Michael, following his unexpected death on Sunday.

George Michael: Faith, Freedom, and His Final Hours airs tonight at 10 PM on ABC.

And PS Tribune hasn't updated a lot of TV guides, so it might still reference The Real O'Neals. Set a manual recording if you want to save it.

RIP.

Played the haunting (even moreso now) "Praying for time". Lovely, if depressing song.

sexton said:

PatrickS77 said:

Yes. This isn't a rock oriented board and Rick Parfitt isn't transcendent like, say, Lemmy. But that doesn't change the fact that they were known around the world.

Only if "around the world" is just Europe and Australia.

They did plenty of concerts in Japan, South Africa, Canada and the USA too.

PeteSilas said:

maplenpg said:

just saw some pics of him, they said they are the last pics and they were taken months ago, how/why would a star be so reclusive as to not have pics taken of him at all? that's kinda unusual in itself. it's the sun so take it with a grain of salt.

TMZ is reputable, they have pics in which he does indeed look obese. Please don't shoot the messenger, I'm just trying to make sense of all this and the pics do point to heart attack risk.


http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/26/george-michael-last-seen-splash/

did he have anything to do with Warner Bros???

I could care less about TMZ!

They have limited objectives; to embarrass and sensationalize.

PatrickS77 said:

sexton said:

Only if "around the world" is just Europe and Australia.

They did plenty of concerts in Japan, South Africa, Canada and the USA too.

And they still aren't a household name in North America.

Edit: I looked through their gigography out of curiosity: their last shows in USA/Canada were in 2003 where they played to crowds of around 400 people. The last world tour to include both North America and Japan was 1997. The last South Africa show I could find was in 1987. For a band that tours almost annually, they don't make it to those areas very much.

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20/20 did a good job tonight. Just left me wanting to hear more about GM.

CynicKill said:

I could care less about TMZ!

They have limited objectives; to embarrass and sensationalize.

First, it's "couldn't care" less. If you could care less, that means you care a little but you're not giving it up just yet. Just sayin'.

Second, TMZ despite its in-your-face approach, digs and finds the truth. You can love them or hate them, but they break real stories. They aren't making up Bat Boy like the Star used to publish, or "JFK is alive and living with Hitler!" doctored photos. They find the truth and they put it out. There's no need for anything extra. Hollywood is extreme enough on its own. Hell, they practically broke the story on Prince dying. They aren't here to embarrass. They simply find the truth (they have contacts and sources all over the place), and publish it. Like it or not, that's why they have the rep they do. Harvey Levin is an attorney, so all he ever did was find the truth (despite whether he used it or not in a court case to his client's advantage). He knows the truth in Hollywood is much better than the Enquirer's fiction.

Hell, you could go with a glossed over thing like Love B Scott, or that tragic board Lipstick Alley, or vapid nothingness like Extra or Access. But TMZ will find the truth and put it out there. Their interests lay with no particular star.

luvsexy4all said:

did he have anything to do with Warner Bros???

No. He was on Columbia/Sony for most his career. Wham! started on Columbia & (then mostly) Epic Records, both of which are under the Sony Entertainment umbrella. Oddly, Faith was released on Epic records in the UK.

Older, Songs From The Last Century, and Symphonica (and related releases like singles) were on Virgin Records. TwentyFive was a Sony project of course, as was the DVD set, and the Live In London concert.

The random Five Live EP was on the German based Parlophone label.

I wonder if he owned his masters. I always got the impression he did, at some point over time.

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As for the 20/20 special someone mentioned, it was really nice. They did make one hiccup, which annoyed me. They talked about Wham! music, and had "Freedom '90" in there, and I think they probably meant to have just "Freedom" from Make It Big. It was a glaring error, to me, as they are entirely different songs with the same title.

On ABC News they talked about his charity, including helping a woman in a cafe he overheard crying about all the debt she had. He also helped a woman on Deal or No Deal with invitro. I love when those stories come out; the same with Prince.

I feel like I'm white knuckling it until January 1, 2017.

TrivialPursuit said:

CynicKill said:

I could care less about TMZ!

They have limited objectives; to embarrass and sensationalize.

First, it's "couldn't care" less. If you could care less, that means you care a little but you're not giving it up just yet. Just sayin'.

Second, TMZ despite its in-your-face approach, digs and finds the truth. You can love them or hate them, but they break real stories. They aren't making up Bat Boy like the Star used to publish, or "JFK is alive and living with Hitler!" doctored photos. They find the truth and they put it out. There's no need for anything extra. Hollywood is extreme enough on its own. Hell, they practically broke the story on Prince dying. They aren't here to embarrass. They simply find the truth (they have contacts and sources all over the place), and publish it. Like it or not, that's why they have the rep they do. Harvey Levin is an attorney, so all he ever did was find the truth (despite whether he used it or not in a court case to his client's advantage). He knows the truth in Hollywood is much better than the Enquirer's fiction.

Hell, you could go with a glossed over thing like Love B Scott, or that tragic board Lipstick Alley, or vapid nothingness like Extra or Access. But TMZ will find the truth and put it out there. Their interests lay with no particular star.

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Eh.

You obviously care about them more then I do. And apparently their rep is stellar.

But thanks for the grammar lesson.

PatrickS77 said: