Hudson said:

Britney is a puppet because she doesn't want to perform anymore but lets herself be pushed into it. The other girls just want to stay popular for as long as possible, they're all filthy rich.

Your right, Britney doesn't want to perform anymore and it shows. I feel she rather live a quiet life away from Hollywood. Her family pressures her into working....

2freaky4church1 said:

You all are some lost mofos. TTD is Prince now. Lenny has some amazing songs. I bet none of you have a single JB album.

Nice try.

As much as I love Sananda, Meshell is.

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DoItAllNight4U said:

The only reason I mentioned Beyonce is because you listed her as someone who,in your opinion,is also a "puppet" because she doesn't write or produce her own music.I disagree with that view.But honestly, it's neither here nor there.I'm not a fan of either one

mjscarousal said:

I don't think your critiquing Britney Spears fair or objectively.

I do not consider myself to be a Britney Spear's fan at all but to argue that she did not work hard at during performances from 1998-2004 is a flat out lie. Its understandable to say you never cared for her dancing, singing, etc but to insist she did not work hard in her performances during her peak 1998-2004 is not accurate IMO. You really haven't showed any substantial receipts for your argument. I agree that Beyonce works hard in her performances However, I disagree that she puts effort in her career when she has not shown any artistic growth as an artist. Beyonce also hasn't had a mental break down so I am not sure why you would use her as an example. You keep mixing apples and oranges and your opinion doesn't make much sense to me but we can agree to disagree

All these 2001 performances of Britney are good. She is working hard putting effort on stage and in her dance routines

SoulAlive said:

The only reason I mentioned Beyonce is because you listed her as someone who,in your opinion,is also a "puppet" because she doesn't write or produce her own music.I disagree with that view.But honestly, it's neither here nor there.I'm not a fan of either one

mjscarousal said:

I don't think your critiquing Britney Spears fair or objectively.

I do not consider myself to be a Britney Spear's fan at all but to argue that she did not work hard at during performances from 1998-2004 is a flat out lie. Its understandable to say you never cared for her dancing, singing, etc but to insist she did not work hard in her performances during her peak 1998-2004 is not accurate IMO. You really haven't showed any substantial receipts for your argument. I agree that Beyonce works hard in her performances However, I disagree that she puts effort in her career when she has not shown any artistic growth as an artist. Beyonce also hasn't had a mental break down so I am not sure why you would use her as an example. You keep mixing apples and oranges and your opinion doesn't make much sense to me but we can agree to disagree

All these 2001 performances of Britney are good. She is working hard putting effort on stage and in her dance routines

What music does Beyonce write and produce herself? Her own writers have came out and insisted she pays writing camps specifically orchestrated to write and produce her music. Also I didn't just mention Beyonce. I said if your going to call Britney Spears a puppet, you minus well call them all puppets, Rihanna, Bey, Katy etc because neither of them are artists who write and produce their music. I usually agree with your posts but I am side eyeing the hell out of this! Britney may not be a prolific songwriter but I at least respect she doesn't have 10 songwriters for one song!

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The only Artist that immediately pops in my head is Sheryl Crow...That woman has done NOTHING to me...LOL...Her songs are not that bad, but I'd take away all 9 of her GRAMMYS if I could...There, I said it...

Wilco.

They're good, but not great. If they were playing my local watering hole, I'd thing they should be bigger. If they were playing an arena, I'd be wondering why.

A lot of my friends like them, and I just don't get it. At least once a year I'm checking them out on youtube or whatever; trying to get the feel, and it just falls flat. I'm stumped at what the appeal is. They're just so...boring. Uninteresting.

About 5-6 years ago, Jeff Tweedy produced an album by one of my favourite bands, Low. It ended up being the most underwhelming Low album I've listened to since I became a fan in 2001. There were good songs, but the album had no identity. I can only imagine Tweedy and I are involved in some cosmic, negative kismet where he tries to destroy my passion for music.

So...Wilco.

mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

The only reason I mentioned Beyonce is because you listed her as someone who,in your opinion,is also a "puppet" because she doesn't write or produce her own music.I disagree with that view.But honestly, it's neither here nor there.I'm not a fan of either one

What music does Beyonce write and produce herself? Her own writers have came out and insisted she pays writing camps specifically orchestrated to write and produce her music. Also I didn't just mention Beyonce. I said if your going to call Britney Spears a puppet, you minus well call them all puppets, Rihanna, Bey, Katy etc because neither of them are artists who write and produce their music. I usually agree with your posts but I am side eyeing the hell out of this! Britney may not be a prolific songwriter but I at least respect she doesn't have 10 songwriters for one song!

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Don't know if you've mentioned this already but Britney does co-write some of her songs.

LBrent said:

DoItAllNight4U said:

Michael Jackson (used to love but a lot of his fans ruined him for me. I gave up on him after Thriller. And the MJ fans trying to compare him to P. Ugh)

Thank you. I added to your post, but mostly it's accurate for me, too.

This might be ridiculous to use as a comparison but

I feel like Prince and MJ are like Aaliyah and Beyonce

Prince = Aaliyah

Michael = Beyonce

When people talk about Aaliyah, Beyonce is brought up and they're compared and people love to debate if Liyah would've been bigger than Bey if she were alive, if they were friends, etc.

Yet when people talk about Beyonce, nobody ever brings up Aaliyah.

1) Britney Spears - never liked her and annoyed she's praised so much because she's never been a real singer. She's always just been an image with good producers, good songwriters, and phenomenal marketing people. A pretty puppet personified for almost two decades...disturbing. Thanks to her successful and long career we are now overloaded with shit artists who mime during concerts and pay multiple people to make their hit music. Queen of the damn puppets, thanks alot Brit.

2) Kanye West - still annoyed that the angels didn't just keep him after that car accident and that the doctors unwired his damn jaw. He's such an arrogant, douche-weasel.

3) Lady Gaga - never liked her. She can sing her face off but it's just shit lyrics disguised under stupid costuming. Bjork still does it better just sayin.

4) Selena Gomez - never liked her. Something about that child just doesn't seem right to me. She's got the personality of a stick of butter and she makes Britney look like Mozart and sound like Whitney Houston.

5) Madonna - loved her until that god awful 'Ray of Light' song and her attention whoring became her normal daily routine. After she killed Prince again with that insulting tribute, she was dead to me.

6) Beyonce - still think it's messed up what she did to her former bandmates. Only liked her debut album because it wasn't shit lyrics and her trying to be innovative (she's not; please stop trying). Can't stand hearing her try to sound intelligent (or talk at all TBH) and want to slap her for continuing to ride Jay-z's nutsack. If he's supposedly been cheating on her so damn much, what is she sticking around for? Trying to sell fake self-esteem to young girls...shame on her. Bitch, grow a spine and euthanize Joe Camel already.

7) Jay-Z aka Joe Camel - never liked...see above for reason why.

8) P.Diddy/Puffy/Puff Daddy/Diddy/Whatever he calls himself now - never liked because...c'mon that should be obvious

9) Taylor Swift - never liked. Waiting for her to make a hit album that doesn't center around her inability to keep a boyfriend for longer than a year. Normal girls date this many guys in a short time span and they get labeled as 'sluts' but not Taylor Not sure why that is though because if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, than it's gotta be a duck, right.

10) Miley Cyrus - just no. She needs a sandwich and a therapist. Disney really fucked up that child somehow and that's just not okay.

11) 90% of what's popular on the radio now - don't like it. I've tried to give it a chance but it makes me homicidal at times and I'm not trying to kill someone because I just listened to Desiigner doing whatever the hell he does with his voice. Tragic that this is what music has fallen too.

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DoItAllNight4U said:

mjscarousal said:

What music does Beyonce write and produce herself? Her own writers have came out and insisted she pays writing camps specifically orchestrated to write and produce her music. Also I didn't just mention Beyonce. I said if your going to call Britney Spears a puppet, you minus well call them all puppets, Rihanna, Bey, Katy etc because neither of them are artists who write and produce their music. I usually agree with your posts but I am side eyeing the hell out of this! Britney may not be a prolific songwriter but I at least respect she doesn't have 10 songwriters for one song!

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Don't know if you've mentioned this already but Britney does co-write some of her songs.

Interesting.... I actually did not know that. Can you provide receipts on what songs she has co written?

DoItAllNight4U said:

LBrent said:

DoItAllNight4U said: Thank you. I added to your post, but mostly it's accurate for me, too.

This might be ridiculous to use as a comparison but

I feel like Prince and MJ are like Aaliyah and Beyonce

Prince = Aaliyah

Michael = Beyonce

When people talk about Aaliyah, Beyonce is brought up and they're compared and people love to debate if Liyah would've been bigger than Bey if she were alive, if they were friends, etc.

Yet when people talk about Beyonce, nobody ever brings up Aaliyah.

It was a off the wall analogy but I got your point! This is because Prince fans are very insecure and are threatened by Michael's success, popularity, talent,etc. They are so pressed they even made a MJ sticky here so every single thing MJ related HAS to go in that sticky Its really pathetic when you think about it. Prince is a legend in his own right so I am not sure why his fans are so threatened by MJ. They act like its still 1984 On the other hand..... MJ fans are the total opposite and generally respect Prince as a legend and ICON. You will see threads and topics on various MJ forums and fan clubs devoted to Prince.

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bonatoc said:

2freaky4church1 said:

You all are some lost mofos. TTD is Prince now. Lenny has some amazing songs. I bet none of you have a single JB album.

Nice try.

As much as I love Sananda, Meshell is.

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Meshell is way cool but I'd not place her above Sananda (TTD) who I also think is mighty cool, nor exactly level with Prince--cause between she & Prince, who could sing and play simultaneously, or change a style without changing a producer? My tiny opinion, of course!

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Lenny, I don't listen much to. but I wouldn't say that I dont like him.

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While I'm commenting here I might as well say that I don't like Pearl Jam. Maybe I'm missing something with that band--I haven't listened to much of their stuff, either.

mjscarousal said:

DoItAllNight4U said:

This might be ridiculous to use as a comparison but

I feel like Prince and MJ are like Aaliyah and Beyonce

Prince = Aaliyah

Michael = Beyonce

When people talk about Aaliyah, Beyonce is brought up and they're compared and people love to debate if Liyah would've been bigger than Bey if she were alive, if they were friends, etc.

Yet when people talk about Beyonce, nobody ever brings up Aaliyah.

It was a off the wall analogy but I got your point! This is because Prince fans are very insecure and are threatened by Michael's success, popularity, talent,etc. They are so pressed they even made a MJ sticky here so every single thing MJ related HAS to go in that sticky Its really pathetic when you think about it. Prince is a legend in his own right so I am not sure why his fans are so threatened by MJ. They act like its still 1984 On the other hand..... MJ fans are the total opposite and generally respect Prince as a legend and ICON. You will see threads and topics on various MJ forums and fan clubs devoted to Prince.

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That bold part is likely a greater vanity of some Michael Jackson admirers. Before I launch into a response to that, let me first say (to shield my own feeling of insecurity) that Prince generated the coolest iconography to help distinguish himself from Michael's own brand throughout his career, beyond the "composing, producing, and performing of instruments." He created his symbol , Princebonics ( want u), and appropriated a color of the rainbow as an identity. Sartorially, Michael had his straps, zippers and epeauletts; Prince had his lace, heels, and anything goes. It was all mostly fun to see.

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Now: the thing at hand is that Prince.org is a garden for fans of Prince. It is a refuge where people can come and speak of their musical hero without the static of disdain or indifference among the greater society-at-large that seems to be a constant rave against Prince fandom. You can recognize this point through browsing the threads of the Prince and More forum where these thoughts are expressed. On the day ever since Michael Jackson's departure from the mortal plain, the site was flooded--no, choked--with Michael Jackson fans proclaiming his greatness to all who would read as if anyone on the planet required a reminder. Now that could be said to be threatening--coming here to do that! Despite what you claim, I don't think that all of those folks were respecting this site for the reason that it was built. Those "King of Pop" fans can be something else--hard to handle! People still do scorn Prince; always have. He was a human being with flaws; not always the greatest, unlike Michael honed to perfection, but was still hot-dang entertaining all the funky time.

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Throughout the time after Michael's passing, Prince shed a light to dispense the shadows that the press media cast upon him, their popularizing the fallacy of some fued existing between the two, by singing tribute at concert after concert to Michael's, Janet's, and any other Jackson sibling's music he could work into his arrangements. I'm glad that he did that because it deserved to be done, as Michael's contributions remain monumental and inspirational.

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I feel that the curation of Michael Jackson commentaries into a number of dedicated threads on this site is the right thing to do to preserve tranquility among the most enthusiastic tribes of both entertainers--the True Funk Soldiers and the "King of Pop" ravers. Anyone wishing to explore beyond either boundary is freely and respectfully able to do so.

mjscarousal said:

^^^Not mad at all and THANK U!

Germanegro said:

LBrent said:

mjscarousal said:

It was a off the wall analogy but I got your point! This is because Prince fans are very insecure and are threatened by Michael's success, popularity, talent,etc. They are so pressed they even made a MJ sticky here so every single thing MJ related HAS to go in that sticky Its really pathetic when you think about it. Prince is a legend in his own right so I am not sure why his fans are so threatened by MJ. They act like its still 1984 On the other hand..... MJ fans are the total opposite and generally respect Prince as a legend and ICON. You will see threads and topics on various MJ forums and fan clubs devoted to Prince.

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Um. Yeah. No. I never think of MJ past Thriller and I've never seen him as any sort of competition. They are very different performers. I'm a P fan from the beginning of his career. I remember MJ when he was still a cute lil black boy performing with his brothers. I've seen both in concert. I can't speak for anyone else , but for myself there's an intangible something that happens to me when I see or hear P. That doesn't happen to me when I see or hear MJ. When I see or hear P, I feel as if I've come home. It's a transcendent experience. I was entertained by MJ, but that felt superficial. And when MJ started to be edgy or sexual, I only wanted to cringe. I felt embarrassed and felt sorry for him. As MJ's personal life issues grew and things happened in his life, I grew even more bored and paid less attention to MJ. P always kept my heart, even when my private life distracted me after the loss of his baby. Rabid MJ fans might remember that as the time period they chose to harass P fans in AOL's P forum because "That freak didn't deserve a baby!" All this while MJ was naming BOTH of his sons Prince. It was astonishing to me that MJ fans didn't see that for the intended direct slap in the face to P that it was. P faced it all the best that he could. Shame on MJ and his rabid fans. Personally, I'm surprised that a forum called Prince.org for P has a place for MJ fans, after all it's not MJ.org. But as long as they contain their worship in their designated area...whatever. There's no comparison between P and MJ. MJ was easily digested by the masses. Sorta like McDonalds. Everyone likes McDonalds. It's fast, easily accessible and you get exactly what's on the menu. Consistently. It's always the same. You can rely on it being exactly the same product every single time. P's music is not liked by everyone. I'm glad. Not every deserves to enjoy it. It's like caviar on buckwheat blinis with creme fraiche and grated onion...or escargot in garlic butter served with a torn piece of fresh baguette...or...well, you get the picture. P is an acquired taste by a well developed palate. You have to bring a bit of your essence to P's music. You have to work for it, it's not lazy cookie cutter music. And after experiencing P, he's in your DNA forever and ever. It's not about which performer is better (that's obvious), it's about who the fan is and what they bring to the experience. And finally, I'd like to close by reminding y'all...It's not about playing more instruments, it's not about having actual intercourse with tons of gorgeous women, it's not about impregnating his STUNNING wife using his own peepee & sperm the old fashioned way, it's not about all the sexy that oozed from every pore, what it's about is P was awarded an Oscar...With all the posturing by MJ fans, they can't claim that honor...Aww. Sorry, not sorry. Nuff said. Y'all mad or nah? [Edited 9/8/16 9:58am]

The first time I was actually old enough to understand 'Thriller' was when I was 6. I listened to it on vinyl and kept it on repeat as well as the 'We Are The World' album. A year later, I became addicted to Whitney Houston's debut album and she showed me what real vocal abilities should sound like. I heard Janet Jackson's 'Rhythm Nation' around that time and fell in love with her more than I did with Michael but I still enjoyed MJ. Then, I heard Madonna's 'Holiday' and was enamored (still my favorite song from her). After that, it was Mariah that got me with 'Emotions'. My parents didn't own any Prince. I didn't learn about him until I heard 'Do Me, Baby' and 'Adore' on the radio one day. I think I was maybe 8. I became obsessed. The album was the first album I got from him and I knew it was love. I didn't realize until years later that there was this big comparison game that was between them as well as soo many of my favorite artists during that time and since then. Seriously, anyone with the ability to hear and see can tell that 95% of artists that are pitted against each other are absolutely NOTHING alike. MJ is nothing like Prince Period. Madonna was nothing like Whitney or Mariah and even the Whitney and Mariah comparison was silly because as much as I loved Whitney she never wrote any of her songs like Mariah has done since day one of her career. Janet and Madonna aren't alike either so again a stupid comparison. I think I stopped taking the assinine comparisons seriously after Britney and Christina. To this day, that is still the most ridiculous comparison of them all IMHO. One can actually sing; the other damn sure can't but does put on a more entertaining show. It's really sad that people like to take away an artist's abilities by comparing them to another artist that is nothing like them. Biggie and Tupac didn't sound anything alike and because of this stupid comparison nonsense we lost two great artists. At the end of the day, only legends are remembered for the greatness they left behind and the accolades are just the whip cream and cherry on top of an amazing career. The only similarities that MJ and Prince have is that they are both from the North, born the same year, both had some affiliation with the Jehovah's Witnesses, and both were African-American men who made great music that will be listened to 100 years from now. That's the only way they are alike so all other comparisons are pretty insulting and invalid. Just my

mjscarousal said:

Britney has a mental disorder but during her prime (1999-2001) she was actually a good performer. I wouldn't say she has NO talent at all. I think that should go to Katy Perry. Briney is obviously passed her peak and is currently medicated so I don't think its fair to judge her performances now. I find all of todays stars to be puppets outside of the ones who actually write their music i.e Adele and Bruno. If you gonna call Britney a puppet minus well call everyone a puppet.

Well, Katy did co-write one of Britney's songs sooo.... However, Britney hasn't co-written any of Katy's; so, I definitely don't know how Katy would be considered less talented than her in that regard but whatevers. In fact, Katy has written songs for several artists since her career started. I'm always amused that people will say how much they hate Katy but they have never actually listened to any of her albums in their entirety. Their disdain for her seems to come solely from their dislike of her radio released songs and her quirky personality. She knows she's weird and she's happy with her oddness....a lesson to everyone to love yourself even when others don't. Honestly, I hated 'I Kissed A Girl' (still do and always will) but enjoyed the two follow singles from her debut album so I took the initiative to check her out before passing judgement on her. I went to the library and rented the album and was pretty surprised that 'I Kissed A Girl' was the only song I couldn't stand. I've listened to all of her albums, seen her MTV Unplugged and her concert film ('Part Of Me'), and seen her live and I absolutely love that woman. Despite never liking Britney, I did give her the respect of actually listening to all of her albums and watching her concert DVDs (again the library is awesome and free) before totally dismissing her. I do think that she was at one time a great performer. I'm pretty sure the medication she takes to control her biopolar disorder is one reason her performing has declined. I think another reason is because she no longer wants to be in the spotlight but continues for financial reasons and strong arming from those around her since she's the cash cow. She still has a phenomenal work ethic and a very sweet personality which hasn't changed since her career started. Even though I've never been and never will be a Britney fan, I will always commend her for having come out of the darkness that tried to destroy her and being a great mom to her children. In saying that, she's just not on the same level of musical talent as Katy. Katy writes her music with limited if any help (something she was doing before she was signed to her label and selling millions of albums). She sings live despite not having an amazing voice. She also puts on amazing shows (many of which she had to do during her unexpected divorce); and, she actually plays 4 instruments - the cello, guitar (which she showcased on her "MTV Unplugged" session), piano, and baritone. How that gives her the 'No talent' title is beyond my understanding. I get that most people just don't like Katy but again it's probably because they don't like her radio songs moreso than from any lack of talent. Her song 'Circle The Drain' from 'Teenage Dream' (written about her ex-boyfriend, Travis McCoy's, drug addiction during their relationship) and 'By The Grace of God' from 'Prism' (written about her struggle to get back up after her divorce from Russell Brand) both show that she's a damn good song-writer and that latter song got me through some tough shit in my previous relationship. It's a powerful track and deserves a listen. She's a true artist and I hate that she gets written off so much. I've never liked 'Billie Jean' and have always hated 'Raspberry Beret' and they were both huge commercial hits for MJ and Prince. If I had only listened to MJ's and Prince's radio releases, I would most likely have written both of them off in the beginning too because I'm not big on the majority of their popular songs. After watching that scene in her concert film of her leaning over a sink to cry her damn eyes out upon getting word that her husband was divorcing her before drying those tears and going on stage to give her fans a damn great show, nobody can ever tell me that Katy Perry isn't a strong ass woman, a true professional, and a genuine artist who deserves all the success and praise she's received. I rarely feel the need to defend her against those who aren't into her, because like Katy, I don't give two happy shits about what the haters think about her because haters are just motivators anyway but I won't stay silent to lies. She has talent and a lot of it. *mic drop*

estelle81 said:

mjscarousal said:

Britney has a mental disorder but during her prime (1999-2001) she was actually a good performer. I wouldn't say she has NO talent at all. I think that should go to Katy Perry. Briney is obviously passed her peak and is currently medicated so I don't think its fair to judge her performances now. I find all of todays stars to be puppets outside of the ones who actually write their music i.e Adele and Bruno. If you gonna call Britney a puppet minus well call everyone a puppet.

Well, Katy did co-write one of Britney's songs sooo.... However, Britney hasn't co-written any of Katy's; so, I definitely don't know how Katy would be considered less talented than her in that regard but whatevers. In fact, Katy has written songs for several artists since her career started. I'm always amused that people will say how much they hate Katy but they have never actually listened to any of her albums in their entirety. Their disdain for her seems to come solely from their dislike of her radio released songs and her quirky personality. She knows she's weird and she's happy with her oddness....a lesson to everyone to love yourself even when others don't. Honestly, I hated 'I Kissed A Girl' (still do and always will) but enjoyed the two follow singles from her debut album so I took the initiative to check her out before passing judgement on her. I went to the library and rented the album and was pretty surprised that 'I Kissed A Girl' was the only song I couldn't stand. I've listened to all of her albums, seen her MTV Unplugged and her concert film ('Part Of Me'), and seen her live and I absolutely love that woman. Despite never liking Britney, I did give her the respect of actually listening to all of her albums and watching her concert DVDs (again the library is awesome and free) before totally dismissing her. I do think that she was at one time a great performer. I'm pretty sure the medication she takes to control her biopolar disorder is one reason her performing has declined. I think another reason is because she no longer wants to be in the spotlight but continues for financial reasons and strong arming from those around her since she's the cash cow. She still has a phenomenal work ethic and a very sweet personality which hasn't changed since her career started. Even though I've never been and never will be a Britney fan, I will always commend her for having come out of the darkness that tried to destroy her and being a great mom to her children. In saying that, she's just not on the same level of musical talent as Katy. Katy writes her music with limited if any help (something she was doing before she was signed to her label and selling millions of albums). She sings live despite not having an amazing voice. She also puts on amazing shows (many of which she had to do during her unexpected divorce); and, she actually plays 4 instruments - the cello, guitar (which she showcased on her "MTV Unplugged" session), piano, and baritone. How that gives her the 'No talent' title is beyond my understanding. I get that most people just don't like Katy but again it's probably because they don't like her radio songs moreso than from any lack of talent. Her song 'Circle The Drain' from 'Teenage Dream' (written about her ex-boyfriend, Travis McCoy's, drug addiction during their relationship) and 'By The Grace of God' from 'Prism' (written about her struggle to get back up after her divorce from Russell Brand) both show that she's a damn good song-writer and that latter song got me through some tough shit in my previous relationship. It's a powerful track and deserves a listen. She's a true artist and I hate that she gets written off so much. I've never liked 'Billie Jean' and have always hated 'Raspberry Beret' and they were both huge commercial hits for MJ and Prince. If I had only listened to MJ's and Prince's radio releases, I would most likely have written both of them off in the beginning too because I'm not big on the majority of their popular songs. After watching that scene in her concert film of her leaning over a sink to cry her damn eyes out upon getting word that her husband was divorcing her before drying those tears and going on stage to give her fans a damn great show, nobody can ever tell me that Katy Perry isn't a strong ass woman, a true professional, and a genuine artist who deserves all the success and praise she's received. I rarely feel the need to defend her against those who aren't into her, because like Katy, I don't give two happy shits about what the haters think about her because haters are just motivators anyway but I won't stay silent to lies. She has talent and a lot of it. *mic drop*

Very thoughtful post,thanks.

LBrent said:

mjscarousal said:

It was a off the wall analogy but I got your point! This is because Prince fans are very insecure and are threatened by Michael's success, popularity, talent,etc. They are so pressed they even made a MJ sticky here so every single thing MJ related HAS to go in that sticky Its really pathetic when you think about it. Prince is a legend in his own right so I am not sure why his fans are so threatened by MJ. They act like its still 1984 On the other hand..... MJ fans are the total opposite and generally respect Prince as a legend and ICON. You will see threads and topics on various MJ forums and fan clubs devoted to Prince.

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Um. Yeah. No. I never think of MJ past Thriller and I've never seen him as any sort of competition. They are very different performers. I'm a P fan from the beginning of his career. I remember MJ when he was still a cute lil black boy performing with his brothers. I've seen both in concert. I can't speak for anyone else , but for myself there's an intangible something that happens to me when I see or hear P. That doesn't happen to me when I see or hear MJ. When I see or hear P, I feel as if I've come home. It's a transcendent experience. I was entertained by MJ, but that felt superficial. And when MJ started to be edgy or sexual, I only wanted to cringe. I felt embarrassed and felt sorry for him. As MJ's personal life issues grew and things happened in his life, I grew even more bored and paid less attention to MJ. P always kept my heart, even when my private life distracted me after the loss of his baby. Rabid MJ fans might remember that as the time period they chose to harass P fans in AOL's P forum because "That freak didn't deserve a baby!" All this while MJ was naming BOTH of his sons Prince. It was astonishing to me that MJ fans didn't see that for the intended direct slap in the face to P that it was. P faced it all the best that he could. Shame on MJ and his rabid fans. Personally, I'm surprised that a forum called Prince.org for P has a place for MJ fans, after all it's not MJ.org. But as long as they contain their worship in their designated area...whatever. There's no comparison between P and MJ. MJ was easily digested by the masses. Sorta like McDonalds. Everyone likes McDonalds. It's fast, easily accessible and you get exactly what's on the menu. Consistently. It's always the same. You can rely on it being exactly the same product every single time. P's music is not liked by everyone. I'm glad. Not every deserves to enjoy it. It's like caviar on buckwheat blinis with creme fraiche and grated onion...or escargot in garlic butter served with a torn piece of fresh baguette...or...well, you get the picture. P is an acquired taste by a well developed palate. You have to bring a bit of your essence to P's music. You have to work for it, it's not lazy cookie cutter music. And after experiencing P, he's in your DNA forever and ever. It's not about which performer is better (that's obvious), it's about who the fan is and what they bring to the experience. And finally, I'd like to close by reminding y'all...It's not about playing more instruments, it's not about having actual intercourse with tons of gorgeous women, it's not about impregnating his STUNNING wife using his own peepee & sperm the old fashioned way, it's not about all the sexy that oozed from every pore, what it's about is P was awarded an Oscar...With all the posturing by MJ fans, they can't claim that honor...Aww. Sorry, not sorry. Nuff said. Y'all mad or nah? [Edited 9/8/16 9:58am]

I agree with what you stated regarding the comparision. I never understand why there is so much comparisions between those Prince and MJ because as you stated they are completely different artists. However, there does seem to be more hostility and disdain for Michael on this site versus the other way around. Prince is freely talked about and respected on MJ forums for the most part. Its not like that here with MJ. There is disdain about him being talked about here in any capacity. The funny thing is, there are other artists that get discussed more than him here. I Respect your opinion, while I disagree. I don't feel like a back and forth on this one because its a old tired debate and discussion but I do love and respect Prince a great deal and feel honored to have seen him live. One thing for sure is that both MJ and Prince are legends and Icons that were uniquely gifted and will never be forgotten

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MotownSubdivision said:

I'm not a fan of Katy Perry's music but I like her attitude, she seems like a cool person to hang with and seems to keep things real. I respect her a lot more than I do Taylor Swift.

I agree she doesn't take her self to seriously and she doesn't seem pretentious so I respect that.

estelle81 said:

mjscarousal said:

Britney has a mental disorder but during her prime (1999-2001) she was actually a good performer. I wouldn't say she has NO talent at all. I think that should go to Katy Perry. Briney is obviously passed her peak and is currently medicated so I don't think its fair to judge her performances now. I find all of todays stars to be puppets outside of the ones who actually write their music i.e Adele and Bruno. If you gonna call Britney a puppet minus well call everyone a puppet.

Well, Katy did co-write one of Britney's songs sooo.... However, Britney hasn't co-written any of Katy's; so, I definitely don't know how Katy would be considered less talented than her in that regard but whatevers. In fact, Katy has written songs for several artists since her career started. I'm always amused that people will say how much they hate Katy but they have never actually listened to any of her albums in their entirety. Their disdain for her seems to come solely from their dislike of her radio released songs and her quirky personality. She knows she's weird and she's happy with her oddness....a lesson to everyone to love yourself even when others don't. Honestly, I hated 'I Kissed A Girl' (still do and always will) but enjoyed the two follow singles from her debut album so I took the initiative to check her out before passing judgement on her. I went to the library and rented the album and was pretty surprised that 'I Kissed A Girl' was the only song I couldn't stand. I've listened to all of her albums, seen her MTV Unplugged and her concert film ('Part Of Me'), and seen her live and I absolutely love that woman. Despite never liking Britney, I did give her the respect of actually listening to all of her albums and watching her concert DVDs (again the library is awesome and free) before totally dismissing her. I do think that she was at one time a great performer. I'm pretty sure the medication she takes to control her biopolar disorder is one reason her performing has declined. I think another reason is because she no longer wants to be in the spotlight but continues for financial reasons and strong arming from those around her since she's the cash cow. She still has a phenomenal work ethic and a very sweet personality which hasn't changed since her career started. Even though I've never been and never will be a Britney fan, I will always commend her for having come out of the darkness that tried to destroy her and being a great mom to her children. In saying that, she's just not on the same level of musical talent as Katy. Katy writes her music with limited if any help (something she was doing before she was signed to her label and selling millions of albums). She sings live despite not having an amazing voice. She also puts on amazing shows (many of which she had to do during her unexpected divorce); and, she actually plays 4 instruments - the cello, guitar (which she showcased on her "MTV Unplugged" session), piano, and baritone. How that gives her the 'No talent' title is beyond my understanding. I get that most people just don't like Katy but again it's probably because they don't like her radio songs moreso than from any lack of talent. Her song 'Circle The Drain' from 'Teenage Dream' (written about her ex-boyfriend, Travis McCoy's, drug addiction during their relationship) and 'By The Grace of God' from 'Prism' (written about her struggle to get back up after her divorce from Russell Brand) both show that she's a damn good song-writer and that latter song got me through some tough shit in my previous relationship. It's a powerful track and deserves a listen. She's a true artist and I hate that she gets written off so much. I've never liked 'Billie Jean' and have always hated 'Raspberry Beret' and they were both huge commercial hits for MJ and Prince. If I had only listened to MJ's and Prince's radio releases, I would most likely have written both of them off in the beginning too because I'm not big on the majority of their popular songs. After watching that scene in her concert film of her leaning over a sink to cry her damn eyes out upon getting word that her husband was divorcing her before drying those tears and going on stage to give her fans a damn great show, nobody can ever tell me that Katy Perry isn't a strong ass woman, a true professional, and a genuine artist who deserves all the success and praise she's received. I rarely feel the need to defend her against those who aren't into her, because like Katy, I don't give two happy shits about what the haters think about her because haters are just motivators anyway but I won't stay silent to lies. She has talent and a lot of it. *mic drop*

I've listened to other Katy Perry songs as well and I don't care for her. I don't just listen to popular songs of artists. I don't consider myself a Rihanna fan but her latest album ANTI is really good and if one just relied on the Work single that is not a good reflection of the album as a whole. I listened to the Katy songs you suggested and I don't care for the music or her singing. However, I respect anyone who at least writes their own music about their geniune experiences so, thanks for the background story on those songs and that does make me look at Katy differently. I actually didn't know she wrote most of her songs because I am not fan of her and the songs Ive listened never made me interested but I think I will give more of her music a listen for now on because of this so thanks. As far as Britney goes, IMO, her older music is pretty descent and she doesn't get enough credit for it like In the Zone and Black Out were really good pop albums and she use to be a good performer although I don't consider myself a fan I never understand how people unfairly judge her and mock her now despite having a mental illness and they pretty much ignore her earlier success. As far as Katys personality, Ive always liked the fact that she doesn't seem stuck up or pretentious. Like Britney, they dont take themselves seriously and Ive always respected that.

Goddess4Real said:

I liked Ricky Martin in 1998 during the World Cup Soccor and that song Cup of Life......but then in 1999 during the 'latin explosion' and Livin La Vida Loca song I think I got turned off by the overexposure.....that it was everywhere....and then lost interest in him and his music.

And then when William Hung covered "She Bangs" on American Idol.....it was just nowhere to go after that....poor Ricky ended up briefly as a judge on the Australian version of The Voice.

Goddess4Real said:

Goddess4Real said:

I liked Ricky Martin in 1998 during the World Cup Soccor and that song Cup of Life......but then in 1999 during the 'latin explosion' and Livin La Vida Loca song I think I got turned off by the overexposure.....that it was everywhere....and then lost interest in him and his music.

And then when William Hung covered "She Bangs" on American Idol.....it was just nowhere to go after that....poor Ricky ended up briefly as a judge on the Australian version of The Voice.

He's still very successful and so handsome

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Goddess4Real said:

And then when William Hung covered "She Bangs" on American Idol.....it was just nowhere to go after that....poor Ricky ended up briefly as a judge on the Australian version of The Voice.

He's still very successful and so handsome

Yuuuup, but in 1999 he became a uber mega star, where everyone jumped on the bandwagon etc he became overexposed.

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mjscarousal said: