SeventeenDayze said:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free2bfreeda posted below youtube interview:

take a listen at 7:08 where little richard says the thing about being a "bronze liberace."

note: imo little richard IS a musical icon. he's due of all respect for his musical greatness as an originator.

thx Seventeendayze for your very apparent deep admiration for Little Ricahrd, aka: Richard Wayne Penniman

Liberace (13yrss older than Little Richard) adopted the candleobrum 1945 Little Richard in 2007 photo

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: http://www.rollingstone.c...d-19700528

Rolling Stone / Little Richard interview

excerpt:

"Look anywhere . . . I am the only thing left. I am the beautiful Little Richard from way down in Macon, Georgia. You know Otis Redding is from there, and James Brown's from there, and Wayne Cochran's from there . . . I was the best lookin' one so I left there first. Prettiest thing in the kitchen, yes sir! I want you to know I am the bronze Liberace! Shut up, shut up!"

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.c...z40paHW6oe
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• Entertainers inspired by Liberace include Little Richard (who called himself "the bronze Liberace"), James Brown (who also cited Gorgeous George as a stage influence), and Elton John, whose costumes early in his career often included feathers and furs as Liberace's sometimes did.
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• little richard eulogizes liberace: https://books.google.com/...mp;f=false

imo many times we all borrow (then reinterpret) from what and who we admire regardless of race, or who the originator was/is. Little Richard also impacted music, while the beatles helped his creativity world wide exposure.

michaeal jackson & beatle paul mccartney (paraphrased) ' ebony and ivory' (and all colors should) live together in perfect haromony

: http://www.lyricslrc.com/..._and_ivory

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: https://www.facebook.com/...mp;theater

try to visit this site to see some outstandingly wonderful Little Richard photos and Little Richard concert posters. (site has arrow over symbols)

the beatles had much admiration for Little Richard and displayed it in their musical interpretation of his music.

as in: the woooooo, vocals and riffs!

however,

i did pay attention to what

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Graycap23 said:

Pop music? Yes.

Funk? No

R&B? No

Soul? No

Blues? No

Jazz? No

Lol

teezee said:

NorthC said:

Thanks for your comment, teezee. Just out of curiosity, where do you live?

Latin America Won't say which country for fear of being tracked down by ppl who dwell too much on the internet. As I stated before, I don't think MJ has had that kind of impact on a worldwide scale. Quite frankly, I think he's being overrated by mostly US fanatics. Though he is this world's most famous dancer and performer, I'll give you that Bob Marley's music however is much more in tune with the world. His lyrics resonate to people of all races and social-statuses. My pops showed me his music when i was small, and later i kept hearing it on the radio too. During my high school years i could spot at least 10 potheads within my school that were repping that Rastafarian lifestyle He is the Reggae icon, the original mothafucka who popularized the whole style and persona of a lazy pothead, but also he's much more than that. He's undoubtedly the voice of peace and love in music. He gives good vibes wherever you are, his lyrics are simple and easy to sing along to. I don't think that low-income struggling people want to hear much about The Beatles or Michael Jackson. They want those good vibes that'll get them through the end of the day. They want to hear 'No Woman No Cry', 'Jammin', 'Is This Love', 'Three Little Birds', 'Buffalo Soldier', etc

Michael overrated, no man i think you just like better Marley than Jackson, but of course Bob is great and his lyrics are better than Michael's ones but no more popular in latin america.

214 said:

teezee said:

NorthC said: Latin America Won't say which country for fear of being tracked down by ppl who dwell too much on the internet. As I stated before, I don't think MJ has had that kind of impact on a worldwide scale. Quite frankly, I think he's being overrated by mostly US fanatics. Though he is this world's most famous dancer and performer, I'll give you that Bob Marley's music however is much more in tune with the world. His lyrics resonate to people of all races and social-statuses. My pops showed me his music when i was small, and later i kept hearing it on the radio too. During my high school years i could spot at least 10 potheads within my school that were repping that Rastafarian lifestyle He is the Reggae icon, the original mothafucka who popularized the whole style and persona of a lazy pothead, but also he's much more than that. He's undoubtedly the voice of peace and love in music. He gives good vibes wherever you are, his lyrics are simple and easy to sing along to. I don't think that low-income struggling people want to hear much about The Beatles or Michael Jackson. They want those good vibes that'll get them through the end of the day. They want to hear 'No Woman No Cry', 'Jammin', 'Is This Love', 'Three Little Birds', 'Buffalo Soldier', etc

Michael overrated, no man i think you just like better Marley than Jackson, but of course Bob is great and his lyrics are better than Michael's ones but no more popular in latin america.

Yes, I think his music is more popular than Michael on a global scale

MJ is the bigger name of course, but we hardly hear any of his songs out loud on the radio. People don't really care for his music cuz it's very "80s" if you know what I'm talking about We just know him for his dance moves and for the Thriller video.

Bob Marley's hits are much more well-known. It's a fact.

teezee said:

Yes, I think his music is more popular than Michael on a global scale

MJ is the bigger name of course, but we hardly hear any of his songs out loud on the radio. People don't really care for his music cuz it's very "80s" if you know what I'm talking about We just know him for his dance moves and for the Thriller video.

Bob Marley's hits are much more well-known. It's a fact.

I'm in the US. I rarely hear any Bob Marley songs on the radio at all, unless you count I Shot The Sheriff by Eric Clapton. I do hear Mike (and Jackson 5 too). I don't come across many people playing reggae. There's a local college radio station that plays reggae music late Friday nights. I do sometimes hear dancehall like Shaggy & Sean Paul on the radio.

Graycap23 said:

nd33 said:

I'm sorry, I do t have time to read these 7 pages, but probably their biggest direct influence was in their songwriting. These guys just had a knack for writing tunes that people from the widest corners of the musical world love. All the greats covered Beatles tunes. From Stevie Wonder, to Hendrix, to Ray Charles, to Sinatra and it goes on and on.....That's all the evidence you need.

The reasons that these songs were covered is because they were simple songs and they were popular. It is an overstatement to say they were anything but.

Haha, you can keep kidding yourself that the greats didn't think the Beatles were great

Tip of the iceberg...

"We were driving through Colorado, we had the radio on, and eight of the Top 10 songs were Beatles songs...'I Wanna Hold Your Hand,' all those early ones. They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid... I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go."
Bob Dylan

Jimi Hendrix sent telegram to Beatles star Paul McCartney in 1969 asking him to record in a supergroup with jazz trumpeter Miles Davis.

Link

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nd33 said:

Graycap23 said:

The reasons that these songs were covered is because they were simple songs and they were popular. It is an overstatement to say they were anything but.

Haha, you can keep kidding yourself that the greats didn't think the Beatles were great

Tip of the iceberg...

"We were driving through Colorado, we had the radio on, and eight of the Top 10 songs were Beatles songs...'I Wanna Hold Your Hand,' all those early ones. They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid... I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go."
Bob Dylan

Jimi Hendrix sent telegram to Beatles star Paul McCartney in 1969 asking him to record in a supergroup with jazz trumpeter Miles Davis.

Link

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No argument from me.

Believe what ever you wish.

Europeans tend to overextend their contributions to history.

Why should music be any different?

Graycap23 said:

nd33 said:

Haha, you can keep kidding yourself that the greats didn't think the Beatles were great

Tip of the iceberg...

"We were driving through Colorado, we had the radio on, and eight of the Top 10 songs were Beatles songs...'I Wanna Hold Your Hand,' all those early ones. They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid... I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go."
Bob Dylan

Jimi Hendrix sent telegram to Beatles star Paul McCartney in 1969 asking him to record in a supergroup with jazz trumpeter Miles Davis.

Link

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No argument from me.

Believe what ever you wish.

Europeans tend to overextend their contributions to history.

Why should music be any different?

The number of people on this thread who are diminishing or all out denying the fact that the foundation of the Beatles "music" is black music is just ridiculous. It's as if they are saying George Washington wouldn't have been anything without Thomas Jefferson....oh well, there's nothing new under the sun.

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

The number of people on this thread who are diminishing or all out denying the fact that the foundation of the Beatles "music" is black music is just ridiculous. It's as if they are saying George Washington wouldn't have been anything without Thomas Jefferson....oh well, there's nothing new under the sun.

i have a pretty good knowledge base on history and I also understand how it is tainted with lies. I'll just leave it at that.

I'm sure if it were up to some people on this thread they would write history books giving The Beatles credit for giving birth to hip-hop and would crown Justin Bieber as the "King of Pop"...

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

No argument from me.

Believe what ever you wish.

Europeans tend to overextend their contributions to history.

Why should music be any different?

The number of people on this thread who are diminishing or all out denying the fact that the foundation of the Beatles "music" is black music is just ridiculous. It's as if they are saying George Washington wouldn't have been anything without Thomas Jefferson....oh well, there's nothing new under the sun.

Everyone is influenced by everything that came before them. The Beatles themselves will be the first to acknowledge what directly influenced them. I'm not sure who's denying anything....I wouldn't!

But none of that changes the fact that the answer to the title of the thread is still yes, in a big way.

Graycap23 said:

nd33 said:

I'm sorry, I do t have time to read these 7 pages, but probably their biggest direct influence was in their songwriting. These guys just had a knack for writing tunes that people from the widest corners of the musical world love. All the greats covered Beatles tunes. From Stevie Wonder, to Hendrix, to Ray Charles, to Sinatra and it goes on and on.....That's all the evidence you need.

The reasons that these songs were covered is because they were simple songs and they were popular. It is an overstatement to say they were anything but.

Then you would probably say the same about Berlin, Porter, Rodgers & Hart & Hammerstein, Mercer, Gershwin, Ellington, and even Bacharach....any songwriter whose works have been recorded hundreds if not thousands of times

SeventeenDayze said:

Zannaloaf said:

This comes form not understanding what was going on musically BEFORE these guys made their mark.
Anyone you cite today would not be doing what they are doing without bands that took risks.

So what exactly was going on before this band?? Are you seriously trying to convince me that the artists who came before them, the artists that they COPIED, the artists who were the innovators of rock had no impact???? This is ridiculous. I would imagine that if the Beatles were a black band some of you wouldn't be so defensive of them. Real talk.

All of the Beatles, as well as the Rolling Stones (who I actually prefer to the Beatles BTW) ALWAYS credited their original sources and inspirations- many if not most of them Black

Graycap23 said:

nd33 said:

Haha, you can keep kidding yourself that the greats didn't think the Beatles were great

Tip of the iceberg...

"We were driving through Colorado, we had the radio on, and eight of the Top 10 songs were Beatles songs...'I Wanna Hold Your Hand,' all those early ones. They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid... I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go."
Bob Dylan

Jimi Hendrix sent telegram to Beatles star Paul McCartney in 1969 asking him to record in a supergroup with jazz trumpeter Miles Davis.

Link

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No argument from me.

Believe what ever you wish.

Europeans tend to overextend their contributions to history.

Why should music be any different?

Amusingly, I just posted in the thread entitled "Is the United States Really the "Best" Country?" the following:

"USA has an amazing history of music and arts. I'd say the best for music at least."

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

The number of people on this thread who are diminishing or all out denying the fact that the foundation of the Beatles "music" is black music is just ridiculous. It's as if they are saying George Washington wouldn't have been anything without Thomas Jefferson....oh well, there's nothing new under the sun.

i have a pretty good knowledge base on history and I also understand how it is tainted with lies. I'll just leave it at that.

But are you doing the reverse- DENYING the Beatles greatness because of their background ?

SeventeenDayze said:

The number of people on this thread who are diminishing or all out denying the fact that the foundation of the Beatles "music" is black music is just ridiculous. It's as if they are saying George Washington wouldn't have been anything without Thomas Jefferson....oh well, there's nothing new under the sun.

Why did you even start this thread since everything you say is right and everybody else is wrong? I said earlier you're not going to be convinced. I knew where this thread was going from the beginning, which is why I recommened early in the thread that you research it yourself, since it wasn't going to make a difference what anybody said. Either way was going to get the same result. If you have to ask if they made an impact, you didn't believe it in the first place.

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said: i have a pretty good knowledge base on history and I also understand how it is tainted with lies. I'll just leave it at that.

I'm sure if it were up to some people on this thread they would write history books giving The Beatles credit for giving birth to hip-hop and would crown Justin Bieber as the "King of Pop"...

I don't see anybody saying this. But are you going too far in the opposite direction in denying the Beatles brilliance ?

jjhunsecker said:

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said: i have a pretty good knowledge base on history and I also understand how it is tainted with lies. I'll just leave it at that.

But are you doing the reverse- DENYING the Beatles greatness because of their background ?

You guys are being ridiculous. I'm showing videos that demonstrate that the Beatles lifted their sound from other artists but you all just can't accept that...I have told you SEVERAL times that I like the Sgt. Pepper's album but you're just glossing right over that detail huh?

nd33 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

The number of people on this thread who are diminishing or all out denying the fact that the foundation of the Beatles "music" is black music is just ridiculous. It's as if they are saying George Washington wouldn't have been anything without Thomas Jefferson....oh well, there's nothing new under the sun.

Everyone is influenced by everything that came before them. The Beatles themselves will be the first to acknowledge what directly influenced them. I'm not sure who's denying anything....I wouldn't!

But none of that changes the fact that the answer to the title of the thread is still yes, in a big way.

Yes, everyone is influenced by everything that came before them. But, I'm just wondering if some people are overestimating their impact on music. As I have said before, I am talking about their legacy on music itself, not just measuring whether or not they were merely popular. It's obvious that they were "famous" but I am talking about actual contribution to music and being a game changer due to their sound. For example, although Madonna is not the best singer or dancer, she's left an unmistakable mark on music. Every female pop artist that has had success since Madonna's debut back in the early 80s can attribute their whole persona to Madonna....Britney, Katy Perry, Rihanna, etc. In that regard, Madonna's impact on music is quite clear.

MickyDolenz said:

SeventeenDayze said:

The number of people on this thread who are diminishing or all out denying the fact that the foundation of the Beatles "music" is black music is just ridiculous. It's as if they are saying George Washington wouldn't have been anything without Thomas Jefferson....oh well, there's nothing new under the sun.

Why did you even start this thread since everything you say is right and everybody else is wrong? I said earlier you're not going to be convinced. I knew where this thread was going from the beginning, which is why I recommened early in the thread that you research it yourself, since it wasn't going to make a difference what anybody said. Either way was going to get the same result. If you have to ask if they made an impact, you didn't believe it in the first place.

Funny how you're glossing RIGHT OVER the fact that I said David Bowie's impact on music was clear to me and since the Beatles debuted DECADES before I did that I wasn't sure. If you think this conversation isn't going anywhere why are you still here?

SeventeenDayze said:

Funny how you're glossing RIGHT OVER the fact that I said David Bowie's impact on music was clear to me and since the Beatles debuted DECADES before I did that I wasn't sure. If you think this conversation isn't going anywhere why are you still here?

Many people in this thread have stated some ways The Beatles have influenced music and you dismissed them, like that Miley Cyrus comment. Then you start talking about Little Richard and how they were popular because they copied "black music", which has nothing to do with if The Beatles themselves influenced anything. So if you don't believe what anyone is saying I don't know what to tell you. One influence is hairstyles. It was not usual for teen & adult males to have long hair, especially in the USA. It was crew cuts mostly. The Beatles mop tops might not look like a big deal today, but during that time it was. Another is merchandising which a lot of acts have today. There were Beatle wigs, games, coloring books, dolls, etc. That was not really a common thing before them. They influenced album cover artwork. Sgt Pepper was the first album to have lyrics printed on it. They influenced more acts to self write. Most popular mainstream acts (ig. Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Bing Crosby, Ella Fitzgerald, Perry Como, Rosemary Clooney, Johnny Mathis, etc) before the Beatles did not write their own songs and it was not considered a big deal to do so. It was the invention of the rock press in the late 1960s that really made the idea of self-writing important.

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Influence does not necessarily mean a soundalike, it could be in other ways. The first Star Wars movie is considered to be a big influence of later movies. But like The Beatles is a "mashup" of several music genres, Star Wars is a mashup of several older movies. You can see this at 9:14 - 12:10 of this video.

Graycap23 said:

nd33 said:

Haha, you can keep kidding yourself that the greats didn't think the Beatles were great

Tip of the iceberg...

"We were driving through Colorado, we had the radio on, and eight of the Top 10 songs were Beatles songs...'I Wanna Hold Your Hand,' all those early ones. They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid... I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go."
Bob Dylan

Jimi Hendrix sent telegram to Beatles star Paul McCartney in 1969 asking him to record in a supergroup with jazz trumpeter Miles Davis.

Link

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No argument from me.

Believe what ever you wish.

Europeans tend to overextend their contributions to history.

Why should music be any different?

jjhunsecker said:

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said: i have a pretty good knowledge base on history and I also understand how it is tainted with lies. I'll just leave it at that.

But are you doing the reverse- DENYING the Beatles greatness because of their background ?

Actually..........my EARS are doing that.

Regardless of how some may argue regarding who "stole" what and what "belonged" to whom... The Beatles are the most popular recording artists of the modern recorded era, featuring two of the most prolific songwriters of the modern recorded era. Y'all are gonna carry your incorrect bias to the grave on this one. Ella Fitzgerald and Ramsey Lewis were amongst the first to cover tunes by The Beatles. Count Basie even did a cover album.

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edit: actually nevermind.

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NorthC said:

C'mon everybody, this is going nowhere. Gray & Dayze have already made up their minds that the Fabs were unimportant and nothing, not even George Clinton saying they were his favorite band, is going to change that. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

It really isn't about my mind being made up........I actually listened to the MUSIC.

It's simpleton music, simpleton lyrics, it doesn't move me in any way.

It really is about the music isn't it?

SeventeenDayze said:

jjhunsecker said:

But are you doing the reverse- DENYING the Beatles greatness because of their background ?

You guys are being ridiculous. I'm showing videos that demonstrate that the Beatles lifted their sound from other artists but you all just can't accept that...I have told you SEVERAL times that I like the Sgt. Pepper's album but you're just glossing right over that detail huh?

at least 95% of those who have participated in this thread have answered the question posed as to whether or not the beatles impacted music.

those 95% (us guys) have stated their (non-ridiculous) opions by stated how the beatles have impacted music.

seems their is an agreement within this thread that yes, the beatles did "really impact music.

imo

factually, the beatles did impact the world with their music when they hit the music scene in the 60's and on.

whether or not the early beatles (as you say) "lifted their sound from other artist," is a moot at this point.

maybe if you titled this thread, " Did The Beatles Lift Their Sound From Other Artist", maybe you would have garnered more of what you expect as far as replies.

so anyway, when it all boils down to it, seems the real issues is you seem to have an obsessive issue with those who are not agreeing with you pov.

so,

why not just:

Graycap23 said: