JanetSerbia said:

Gelredome doesn't even have the capicity of 44000, i'm dutch, i know.

Stop it now

nextedition said:

JanetSerbia said:

Mariah sold much more than any foreign artist in Japan. MUCH more. Celine and Whitney are following. Overall there are only 6 female artists that sold 2 or more million albums in Japan: Mariah, Celine, Whitney, Madonna, Janet and Gaga. But I think it's stupid to compare safe artists like Mariah and Celine with Janet and Madonna. It's as stupid as comparing Michael Jackson to Bjork. Two worlds.

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Sweetie, is it really that bad she didn't sell the most albums of them all?

She just didn't, face it.

She didn't sell the most albums in the US, in Japan and worldwide.

Stop making a fool of yourself

Who, Mariah or Janet? It's not the most important to sell more, overall. Of course Madonna sold more, she had more than 3x more releases (studio albums, soundtracks, compilations...). Madonna sold more albums than MJ for that same reason, but she will never be as big as MJ was and still is.

Anayway, as someone said, this is way more important than sales.

nextedition said:

JanetSerbia said:

Gelredome doesn't even have the capicity of 44000, i'm dutch, i know.

Stop it now

It's on their website. Capacity for concert is 41,000, now due to new regulations. Back then it was 45,000. Janet's show was completely sold out, and it was only one of many she had that year in the Netherlands.

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NorthC said:

Oh and Garth Brooks isn't really that big here in Europe, so it doesn't surprise me that somebody from Serbia hasn't heared of him.

Does not matter if he's really popular in Europe or Serbia, but since the OP uses the US & Japan as his/her criteria, then Garth is a factor as far as USA sales go. Here, his albums individually sold more than Janet's, Michael's, & Madonna's in the 1990s, except maybe that Chris Gaines one.

MickyDolenz said:

NorthC said:

Oh and Garth Brooks isn't really that big here in Europe, so it doesn't surprise me that somebody from Serbia hasn't heared of him.

Does not matter if he's really popular in Europe or Serbia, but since the OP uses the US & Japan as his/her criteria, then Garth is a factor as far as USA sales go. Here, his albums individually sold more than Janet's, Michael's, & Madonna's in the 1990s, except maybe that Chris Gaines one.

That's impressive indeed. Actually, Celine Dion and Mariah sold more too. But I found it silly to compare those safe artists with Madonna and Janet. The same goes for Garteh, now when I learned he's a country singer.

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JanetSerbia said:

nextedition said:

Gelredome doesn't even have the capicity of 44000, i'm dutch, i know.

Stop it now

It's on their website. Capacity for concert is 41,000, now due to new regulations. Back then it was 45,000. Janet's show was completely sold out, and it was only one of many she had that year in the Netherlands.

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what's wrong with you? It says Concert in the round 41000, otherwise 34000...was it in the round? No, it wasn't.

JanetSerbia said:

nextedition said:

Sweetie, is it really that bad she didn't sell the most albums of them all?

She just didn't, face it.

She didn't sell the most albums in the US, in Japan and worldwide.

Stop making a fool of yourself

Who, Mariah or Janet? It's not the most important to sell more, overall.

you start a treat about selling the most records and now you're saying "it's not the most important to sell more".

it's getting pathetic now

nextedition said:

JanetSerbia said:

It's on their website. Capacity for concert is 41,000, now due to new regulations. Back then it was 45,000. Janet's show was completely sold out, and it was only one of many she had that year in the Netherlands.

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what's wrong with you? It says Concert in the round 41000, otherwise 34000...was it in the round? No, it wasn't.

So Janet had 41,000 not 44,000. That's terrible indeed, what a flop. LMAO

Just stop it

JanetSerbia said:

Not that it matters, but if we compare that to Michael we have:

'87 silver
'88 gold
'89 bronze
'92 gold
'93 gold
'94 gold
'95 gold
'96 silver and a special platinum Otto
'97 silver
'09 gold
'10 silver
'11 bronze

Not to mention 3 record breaking stadium tours in Germany. The HIStory tour at the time broke the record for most atttendance with over 600.000 tickets sold.

Yes, Michael was always bigger in Germany. I wrote that: read.

nextedition said:

JanetSerbia said:

Who, Mariah or Janet? It's not the most important to sell more, overall.

you start a treat about selling the most records and now you're saying "it's not the most important to sell more".

it's getting pathetic now

I always say it's not the most important thing. I adore Bjork, and she sold only 15 million records. I don't think Britney Spears, for instance, will ever be as legendary and important as Bjork, only because she sold like 10x more. But it would be even better if Bjork had a better sales too, of course. It wouldn't hurt. Some of you are overreacting.

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JanetSerbia said:

That's impressive indeed. Actually, Celine Dion and Mariah sold more too. But I found it silly to compare those safe artists with Madonna and Janet. The same goes for Garth, now when I learned he's a country singer.

Janet & Madonna make dance music, which is just as "safe" as Celine & Mariah. Now if you were talking about Sun Ra, Ikue Mori, or Moondog, then you'd have acts that are less appealing to to a large mainstream audience.

MattyJam said:

Janet will never be as big or as popular or as relevant or as legendary as Michael or Madonna.

It all boils down to this: Thriller is the biggest selling album of all time,and Madonna has sold over 300 million records in her career.Not to take anything away from Janet's accomplishments,but Michael and Madonna achieved things that no one will ever be able to top.

Also,Michael and Madonna are in the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame.

Free2BMe said:

SoulAlive said:

Why are some Janet fans on a never-ending quest to elevate her above Michael and Madonna? This is something I have noticed on the Org for awhile now.Let's stop this madness now.

I wonder the same thing. It is usually some Janet fan who starts this comparison and then gets in a huff when a Michael fan responds to this kind of "stirring the pot" thread. What really irks me is the hypocrisy of Janet fans. They whine and bitch about bringing Michael into a Janet thread;yet, it is usually a Janet fan who has to bring Michael into the conversation in a vain effort to TRY and elevate her above him. The sad thing is that it makes her and her fans look desperate. Janet fans need to allow her to stand on her OWN merits and stop trying to make her bigger than Michael. The truth is that she will NEVER be as big or more influential than her brother, Michael Jackson, and her fans need to stop trying to make her bigger than Michael. Again, let her accomplishments stand on their own and stop the jealousy.

It just seems like some Janet fans are soooo intent on proving her relevence None of these artists (Michael,Janet,Madonna) need their fans to remind people of what they've accomplished.

Statistically this would make Liberace the most influential, popular artist of all time dating back to the period of time before Jesus, possibly since the beginning of time itself. Neil DeGrasse Tyson may argue that the sirens or possibly Shakespeare was a more influential entertainer, but statistical data culled with impartiality by the timekeepers and the galactic pop music classification xerons easily debuff the argument that Janet Jackson was the most popular artist of the CD era. Simply analyze the data below chronologically. And he ought to know, he's from Milwaukee.

Best-selling female recor...ld Records

end of thread

JanetSerbia said:

nextedition said:

what's wrong with you? It says Concert in the round 41000, otherwise 34000...was it in the round? No, it wasn't.

So Janet had 41,000 not 44,000. That's terrible indeed, what a flop. LMAO

Just stop it

So the concert was in the round? did you even read my post?

JanetSerbia said:

Yes, Michael was always bigger in Germany. I wrote that: read.

nextedition said:

you start a treat about selling the most records and now you're saying "it's not the most important to sell more".

it's getting pathetic now

I always say it's not the most important thing. I adore Bjork, and she sold only 15 million records. I don't think Britney Spears, for instance, will ever be as legendary and important as Bjork, only because she sold like 10x more. But it would be even better if Bjork had a better sales too, of course. It wouldn't hurt. Some of you are overreacting.

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Please, you started your tread about sales and now sales aren't imporant any more?

MickyDolenz said:

JanetSerbia said:

That's impressive indeed. Actually, Celine Dion and Mariah sold more too. But I found it silly to compare those safe artists with Madonna and Janet. The same goes for Garth, now when I learned he's a country singer.

Janet & Madonna make dance music, which is just as "safe" as Celine & Mariah. Now if you were talking about Sun Ra, Ikue Mori, or Moondog, then you'd have acts that are less appealing to to a large mainstream audience.

Before Butterfly Mariah's music and image was very clean and could sell to Christian prudes while Janet and certainly Madonna could not. That's what they mean by safe.

nextedition said:

SEANMAN said:

What defines success? If an albums shifts a million the first week out? If it does 100,000 the first week but garners great reviews? If it sells a shitload AND has good reviews the first week? Success is relevant, but I do hope that she reteams with JJ/TL again as well.

well you said Madonna's album was flopping...although it got great reviews.

So why did you say it was flopping? Didn't you just define success yourself?

Madonna's album succeeded critically, but not commercially. Her fans would still see that as a success, where her detractors wouldn't. Same with Janet. When The Velvet Rope first came out, some said she was done because it didn't do what her previous albums did sales-wise out of the gate, but the critical praise was phenomenal. That's what success being relevant means. As for what I said, well, on a commercial level Madonna's album DID flop. It shows that people are tired of her on a whole. What her album did and what a new Janet album has the potential to do are two different things. Janet isn't whoring herself out in the media on a daily basis, and has been away so long that people are itching for her to return.

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JanetSerbia said:

nextedition said:

Sweetie, is it really that bad she didn't sell the most albums of them all?

She just didn't, face it.

She didn't sell the most albums in the US, in Japan and worldwide.

Stop making a fool of yourself

Who, Mariah or Janet? It's not the most important to sell more, overall. Of course Madonna sold more, she had more than 3x more releases (studio albums, soundtracks, compilations...). Madonna sold more albums than MJ for that same reason, but she will never be as big as MJ was and still is.

Anayway, as someone said, this is way more important than sales.

I do love you.

Hudson said:

MickyDolenz said:

Janet & Madonna make dance music, which is just as "safe" as Celine & Mariah. Now if you were talking about Sun Ra, Ikue Mori, or Moondog, then you'd have acts that are less appealing to to a large mainstream audience.

Before Butterfly Mariah's music and image was very clean and could sell to Christian prudes while Janet and certainly Madonna could not. That's what they mean by safe.

What was unclean about Madonna's music, at least in the 1980s? It was more her actions and some of her videos than songs like Borderline, Angel, Material Girl, Live To Tell, True Blue, and Vogue. Madonna's music was no more dirty than Lionel Richie's. Madonna & Janet was no 2 Live Crew or Millie Jackson.

It's hilarious how some of the posters in here only seem to comment when it's a controversial Janet thread, or a thread pitting her against another artist, but if it's a thread about her music or her work as a whole, you never see them.

I love u 2 SEANMAN¤

However, they were all great. That was golden age of popular culture.
Have you guys seen this?

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I wrote about how Janet Jackson constantly gets shit on by people who act like she never did anything noteworthy, was never popular, barely sold records, etc (the same people who usually bash on Prince for the same thing, not realizing that both are huge pop culture figures yada yada)

But it's a 2 way street. Not all JJ fans, but some really do try to elevate her above Michael Jackson and Madonna

SEANMAN said:

nextedition said:

well you said Madonna's album was flopping...although it got great reviews.

So why did you say it was flopping? Didn't you just define success yourself?

Madonna's album succeeded critically, but not commercially. Her fans would still see that as a success, where her detractors wouldn't. Same with Janet. When The Velvet Rope first came out, some said she was done because it didn't do what her previous albums did sales-wise out of the gate, but the critical praise was phenomenal. That's what success being relevant means. As for what I said, well, on a commercial level Madonna's album DID flop. It shows that people are tired of her on a whole. What her album did and what a new Janet album has the potential to do are two different things. Janet isn't whoring herself out in the media on a daily basis, and has been away so long that people are itching for her to return.

You do realize that hardly anyone sells alot of records these days? There are only about four or five artists who sell tons of CDs these days.Madonna (like Janet) is a veteran artist.She won't sell CDs like Taylor Swift does.If Janet were to release a new album,it wouldn't sell alot of copies,either.That's why Madonna focuses more on touring.That's where the real money is,anyway.

CharismaDove said:

I wrote about how Janet Jackson constantly gets shit on by people who act like she never did anything noteworthy, was never popular, barely sold records, etc (the same people who usually bash on Prince for the same thing, not realizing that both are huge pop culture figures yada yada)

But it's a 2 way street. Not all JJ fans, but some really do try to elevate her above Michael Jackson and Madonna

notice that,in almost every Janet thread,Madonna's name comes up.I find that funny.If you look at any of the recent Madonna threads,no one brings Janet's name up.

SoulAlive said:

SEANMAN said:

Madonna's album succeeded critically, but not commercially. Her fans would still see that as a success, where her detractors wouldn't. Same with Janet. When The Velvet Rope first came out, some said she was done because it didn't do what her previous albums did sales-wise out of the gate, but the critical praise was phenomenal. That's what success being relevant means. As for what I said, well, on a commercial level Madonna's album DID flop. It shows that people are tired of her on a whole. What her album did and what a new Janet album has the potential to do are two different things. Janet isn't whoring herself out in the media on a daily basis, and has been away so long that people are itching for her to return.

You do realize that hardly anyone sells alot of records these days? There are only about four or five artists who sell tons of CDs these days.Madonna (like Janet) is a veteran artist.She won't sell CDs like Taylor Swift does.If Janet were to release a new album,it wouldn't sell alot of copies,either.That's why Madonna focuses more on touring.That's where the real money is,anyway.

I have to agree. Janet, probably, won't sell a lot of units of her next album (if we ever get it).

But it's not impossible for older artists. For instance, Barbra and Celine Dion are still selling millions. BTW, the official IFPI list.

SEANMAN said:

It's hilarious how some of the posters in here only seem to comment when it's a controversial Janet thread, or a thread pitting her against another artist, but if it's a thread about her music or her work as a whole, you never see them.

It's also funny that some Janet people only comment in Janet threads and none of the threads about other acts. Anyway, Janet is not the only person that people trash here. How about Beyonce, Whitney Houston, Justin Timberlake, or hair metal & grunge bands?