Marrk said:

Cinnamon234 said:

Marrk said:

It doesn't excuse him acting like a giant twat.

Agreed. You can list Quincy's accomplishments all day long. That has nothing to do with why Quincy has been so nasty to Michael over the years. Okay you mention your issue with him in one or two interviews but every interview you have something incredibly nasty to say? It's not necessary and not coming from a good place. I have had some ugly fall outs with people but I have never trashed them to others. I don't care what happened. You don't do that and then continue to trash this person after they are dead. Why? What is the point? Quincy sure is a brilliant producer but seems like a shitty person. I do not care for him. b]

Exactly. And nobody is denying Quincy's accomplishments. But the biggest thing that happened in his career in the past 35 years was Michael Jackson. The one thing that brought him out in the spotlight again and arguably more than anything that has happened before.

To Scorp:

Thanks for posting Quincy's accomplishments. I really didn't know all of that. I admire and respect Quincy's work and yes I think his contribution is sometimes denigrated by fans. But when he says : "I tell him what to sing and he sings" or something like that, it is too arrogant. MJ would never diss Quincy publicly like that. So my point is yes Quincy is great, but I wish he was a bit more gracious and respectful for a man who always spoke well of him publicly.

Scorp's previous posts : "26 years and 9 months", "It was never about Michael". OK whats with the cryptic posts...spell it out.

My latest: So although I bought Xscape from itunes, I am still seriously Jonesing for the CD. Jeesh I feel like a kid again having to get my hands on "Thriller" and then every album after that. I did not feel that strongly about "Michael". But my Michaeling fever has returned with this Xscape...Damn it. LOL.

OK here is something I truely love. It was 31 years ago that MJ did Motown 25 and I remember all of us kids trying to do the move and it was all we could talk about for at least a couple weeks. 31 years and now a kid comes and does a talent show and wins. That is amazing. The kid is pretty good too. Video included :

http://globalflare.com/hi...-moonwalk/

[Edited 5/22/14 11:23am]

This was in my previous post but it deserves it own little box. Give me this to a hologram anyday !

Scorp said:

as usual....a majority of MJ's current following direct their hate at the wrong source

I think this is so unfortunate, because all the information we need to determine whether or not Quincy Jones was relevant before we knew who Michael Jackson was is available on the internet but yet the majority chooses to uphold the narrative that he rode MJ'S name to glory......

but these are the real facts of the matter:

-Learned how to play trumpet at age 11

•Musical inspiration was Ray Charles

• Attended Berklee College of Music in Boston

• Joined Lionel Hampton’s r&b/blues band as trumpeter

• Became a freelance arranger in New York City

• Agreed to music direct Count Basie’s travelling band

•Received first award of merit as an arranger in 1956

• Began writing music for Barclay Records in France

• Studied composition and theory from Nadia Boulanger

• Boulanger was one of 20th century’s best music tutors

First score learned was Igor Stravinsky’s “Firebird Suite

at the age of 17, Quincy joined Lionel Hampton's musical band, Lionel Hampton was one of the country's greatest musicians of the 20th century and he asked Quincy to join his bad

•Began scoring for major musicals

• Formed his own jazz band

• Recorded song “Birth of a Band” winning wave reviews

• Signed with Mercury Records as A&R representative

• Promoted as Vice-President of Mercury

in 1956, he was performing in Jazz legend Dizzy Gillespie's musical band around the world

Quincy Jones became the first black person to be promoted as Vice-President of a major music label back in the 60s.....

•Earned 1st Grammy Award for arranging Count Basie’s

composition “I Can’t Stop Loving You”

• Scored for Frank Sinatra and Count Basie’s Orchestra

• Scored first feature length film “The Pawnbroker

• Began scoring major TV shows also

also in the 60s, Quincy was scoring music for the likes of Frank Sinatra himself and Count Basie, another great luminarie in the musical field....Quincy also became the first black person to score a feature length film which extended to major TV shows

ALL THIS HAPPENED before the world even knew who Michael Jackson was, before J-5 debuted on the scene at Motown with I WANT YOU BACK in 1969.......

Quincy was already the most sought after musical arranger and producer in the industry before 1970 hit

•Composed musical theme for TV Show “Sanford & Son”

• Began to champion social activism with his music

• First black person to score the Academy Awards in 1973

• Co-produced a major special honoring Duke Ellington

repeating, Quincy Jones was the first black person ever to score the Academy Awards and the theme music for Sanford and Son is one of the most recognizable efforts for

•Scored for the Mini-Series “Roots” in 1977

• Musical arranger for “The Wiz” in 1978

repeating, Quincy scored the most heavily viewed TV mini series of all time in ROOTS....this was before the The Wiz

Everyone in the music industry from every endeavor wanted Quincy to work on their projects in one form or fashion INCLUDING MIchael Jackson himself

it was not Quincy who approached Michael to produce OFF THE WALL, it was Michael who approached Quincy seeking a producer for his debut adult solo album

IN THE 80S

•Scored for the movie “The Color Purple” in 1986

• Throughout the 80’s, released two albums of his own

• “The Dude” and “Back On The Block”

• Both albums earned him a total of 8 Grammy Awards

"The Dude" was releaseed in 1981, more than a year earlier than the release of Thriller and that album won a series of Grammy Awards in the process....so nobody can suggest "The Dude" was riding the coattails of MJ

IN THE 1990S

•Co-produced “Fresh Prince” starring Will Smith

• Co-produced “In The House” starring L.L. Cool J.

• He scored for the TV program “In The Heat of the Night” starring Carrol O'Connor and Howard Rollins

• Musical arranger for President Clinton’s Inauguration

and I can tell by the continuous hate unleashed by the majority of the following, they dont' have a clue that Quincy remained just as active after working with MJ over the years than he had ever been.....but none of these facts were ever mention by commercial media, which makes it seems that Quincy's career was done after BAD

•Founded “Vibe” Magazine in 1995

• Released the album “Q’s Jook Joint” the same year

• The album celebrated Quincy’s 50 years in music

• Focused on educational tools and humanitarian cause

• Began to address world debt relief for struggling nations

THROUGHOUT QUINCY'S ENTIRE CAREER

•Has scored 33 major films and dozens of TV shows

• Arranged over 500 recordings

• Nominated for 77 Grammy Awards, winning 27 in all

• Seven Oscar Nominations

• Won an Emmy Award

•Received distinction by National Endowment of the Arts

• The distinction identified him as “The Jazz Master”

• The nation’s highest jazz honor

His career has spanned over the course of the past 6 decades, and in no doubt should go down in history as the music field's greatest, most prolific, and accomplished producer who's ever done it

but yet, the majority hold on the narrative that he's senile, all generated by contrived hate that is totally misdirected

he was already the best producer of all time before him and MJ starting working together

but the education system don't teach this stuff and it's so sad

OH, one last thing......that musical theme we here during those AUSTIN POWER'S movies staring Mike Meyers, that musical theme is SOUL BOSA NOVA, which Quincy arranged back in the 1960s, and that same musical theme was played at outdoor soccer stadiums in the 90s during the World Cup event....rappers have sampled the theme song including Ludacris

[Edited 5/22/14 1:42am]

If you're implying that MJ fans have somethingsomething against Q, is based on the bullshit he says about Michael and been saying for the last 10 years or so. MJ never said a bad word about Q - yet this man is very disrespectful towards Michael. Rest assure that ¨Q would not have been known in mainstream music had it not been for Michael Jackson, that of course doesn't take away from his talent as a composer/producer. The albums he did as composer/producer prior to OTW & Thriller, were known among people that liked jazz/ bossa nova and interested into music but he wasn't known in pop culture like he was when he co-produced those albums with Mike. I started playing the trumpet at the age of 5 years old and trust me when I say I have massive respect for dude BUT he is a known douchebag. Also the way Q talks about MJ wanting to be white is so hypocritical when I got articles that he's done in Sweden with Swedish journalists how he talks down on BLACK WOMEN (he comes from a black women doesn't he?! and I don't give a damn if he had issues with his mother etc) and other very strange comments about his "blackness". (You could also add to your list that the first film score was done in Sweden for the movie "Pojken i trädet" by film director Arne Sucksdorff - just to make sure fans DO know what Quincy has done which doesn't have much meaning at the end of the day when your talent should speak for itself instead of bashing people)

Cinnamon234 said:

Marrk said:

It doesn't excuse him acting like a giant twat.

Agreed. You can list Quincy's accomplishments all day long. That has nothing to do with why Quincy has been so nasty to Michael over the years. Okay you mention your issue with him in one or two interviews but every interview you have something incredibly nasty to say? It's not necessary and not coming from a good place. I have had some ugly fall outs with people but I have never trashed them to others. I don't care what happened. You don't do that and then continue to trash this person after they are dead. Why? What is the point? Quincy sure is a brilliant producer but seems like a shitty person. I do not care for him. Anyway, I thought the hologram performance was underwhelming but people who saw it in person seemed to be impressed. Maybe it looks different on tv than in person. I'm a little creeped out by it but it was kind of fascinating, technology wise. Btw I still can't get enough of the album. I think "Lovin You" has to be the next single! It's a perfect summer song [Edited 5/22/14 9:07am]

People like to blame Q about being bitter.

But while he is bitter, all of this bitterness was Michael's doing.

I love the man and I miss him dearly.

But Michael Jackson was not a bed of roses.

Beneath that soft voice and friendly demeanor was a shrewd business man who burnt a lot of bridges. A lot of that has to do with his upbringing. Michael thought people and friends were replacable, which is logical coming from his world where people frequently backstab you, even your own family. He didn't trust people. He thought Q was becoming possesive so he cut him out of his life, like he did most people. And I understand. And Q's bitter because he was fired without so much as a talk from someone who he thought was his friend. That's cold. I know yall are mad because q has said in the past that he didn't think Michael had vitiligo etc. But c'mon. Even jermaine said that, knowing it to be untrue. Sometimes you're so hurt, all you want to do is hurt the person who hurt you. Q knew, Jermaine knew, you can't not know when you're that close to a person. And now that the autopsy has proven that he had it, everybody knows. But you say crazy stuff when your hurt.

However to side with Q on this affair about royalties, he might have a point. While their relationship was strained, Michael always made sure that Q was properly paid, along with everyone he's worked with. Word on the vine was Michael was very well versed on copyright law, publishing, producer points etc. He's helped his fellow artist like Stevie Wonder gain rights to their master recordings. Q isn't talking about anything before Michael's death. He's claiming he wasn't paid his producer points (percentage of the publishing usually) for the Cirque Immortal concerts, this is it, and new rereleased albums from the back catalogue. And honestly Q's got enough money, he's got no reason to lie unless he and his advisors think he's being stiffed. I don't trust Branca or McClain. The Jackson estate is a currupt organism, sadly like most estates tend to be, when they're not executed by family members.

Don't fault Q, he's one of many people who became bitter after Michael "removed" them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming Michael either, he had to do what he had to to survive in a cutthroat world. But Michael was cold sometimes. He had his reasons, but still no surprise when people bad mouth him sometimes.

Xscape (Album)

Austria: 2
Australia: 3
Belgium (Flanders): 1
Belgium (Wallonia): 1
Canada: 3
Czech Republic: 10
Denmark: 1
France: 1
Germany: 2
Greece: 9
Hungary: 7
Ireland: 4
Israel: 1
Italy: 2
Japan: 12 (imports)
Mexico: 1
Netherlands: 2
New Zealand: 5
Russia: 1
South Korea: 1/4
Spain: 1
Sweden: 3
Switzerland: 2
UK: 1
US: 2

South Korea currently a bit mad on MJ.

1 (NEW) Xscape (Deluxe)
4 (NEW) Xscape
49 (12) The Essential Michael Jackson
85 (NEW) This Is It

1 (NEW) Love Never Felt So Good = 76,248
2 (NEW) Xscape = 32,455
3 (NEW) Slave to the Rhythm = 29,821
4 (NEW) Loving You = 26,885
5 (NEW) Chicago = 22,032
6 (NEW) A Place with No Name = 21,767
8 (NEW) Do You Know Where You Children Are = 20,368
9 (NEW) Blue Gangsta = 19,874

I should add that Number Ones has re-entered the Billboard top 40 at #28.

TommorowNeverKnows said:

And Q's bitter because he was fired without so much as a talk from someone who he thought was his friend. That's cold. I

Geez. He was not "fired". Q wasn't in Michael's permanent emplyoment. He was hired to produce OTW, then Thriller and then Bad and then Michael decided to move on and not ask Q to produce another album. There is a false sense of entitlement on Qs part. It's normal that artists move on and don't use the same producer on every album they do. Especially a producer who thinks that the artist is nothing without him.

PatrickS77 said:

TommorowNeverKnows said:

And Q's bitter because he was fired without so much as a talk from someone who he thought was his friend. That's cold. I

Geez. He was not "fired". Q wasn't in Michael's permanent emplyoment. He was hired to produce OTW, then Thriller and then Bad and then Michael decided to move on and not ask Q to produce another album. There is a false sense of entitlement on Qs part. It's normal that artists move on and don't use the same producer on every album they do. Especially a producer who thinks that the artist is nothing without him.

Look, I understand that you're protective of Michael.

But Q was fired. Michael didn't like the direction Q was taking him.

I don't know the paticulars of their arrangement. To my knowledge they didn't have some type of sunset deal. But it's obvious that Q was fired.

I've worked in the record business for 10 years now.

When you have worked with someone a long time, there are certain things that are assumed.

After Bad, Q was working with Michael for close to 10 years, and he was probably already planning for the next album after Bad. Now I don't know what happened. Who knows what Q did to put off Michael. Regardless when you're in that type of relationship, you owe your colloborater a bit courtesy, and let him know that you're going a different route. Michael didn't. But he didn't do that just with Q, he did that with everybody. He didn't like to have the big talks, and when you're in the position of power, where you don't have to, he took advantage of it.

Look at it from Q's perspective. You helped put him on the map.

Cause regardless what you think, Q was the producer, and he was in charge of the sonic charachter of those albums, that was his job and he did it well. Q was the showrunner as all Producers are. That's not saying that Michael didn't help. Michael was born into the business, he knew the deal and knew what to do, and guided Q when he thought Q was astray. But those album's sound amazing specifically because of Quincy and engineer Bruce Swedian. And of course Michael cause he was the talent. But i'm talking from a production an engineering standpoint. Those albums where near flawless.

So you're Q you helped make the biggest albums in recording history.

You shared a studio with this man. And ladies and gents a studio is a personal space.

Producers, engineers and the talent become very close, because they practically live there.

So you think this man is your friend. Your already probably planning for album number 4.

and then all of a sudden, you're not on it.

no face to face, no phone call. You're just off the project.

And I'm not blaming Michael. Cause you know what...

this happens alot. It's not him, it's the industry.

Which is why it's so toxic and full of vitriol.

But I guarantee you that if Michael would of had a talk with him, Q wouldn't be bitter like he is.

But to lay off Michael.

Q's been in the business. He should know better.

But I do understand.

And I understand Michael's perspective too.

I wonder if the critics constantly spewing their poison about MJ's success being almost wholly reliant on Jones (in other words, Michael = talentless) had something to do with him wanting to move on. Conveniently the critics nearly always managed to overlook the fact that MJ had been famous for 10 years before Jones entered the picture. They also ignored the fact that he developed his basic sound on Destiny in 1978, an album Jones had nothing to do with.

TommorowNeverKnows said:

But Q was fired.

No. He was not fired. He wasn't asked back. A producer gets hired to produce an album and doesn't get a lifetime position. You claim to work in the industry. You should know that. Q should have known that. There is no reason to be pissy about it.

Look at it from Q's perspective. You helped put him on the map.

And that's where you are wrong. MJ already was on the map. And not to take anything away from Quincy's production, but the signature songs were written by Michael. It's not like other producers couldn't have produced those songs too.

DonRants said:

This was in my previous post but it deserves it own little box. Give me this to a hologram anyday !

I saw that earlier today and I thought the same thing, they should have had this kid perform at the BB Awards instead of that sham-ologram!

Someone is NOT feeling the whole post-death MJ love:

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PatrickS77 said:

Cinnamon234 said:

Marrk said: Agreed. You can list Quincy's accomplishments all day long. That has nothing to do with why Quincy has been so nasty to Michael over the years. Okay you mention your issue with him in one or two interviews but every interview you have something incredibly nasty to say? It's not necessary and not coming from a good place. I have had some ugly fall outs with people but I have never trashed them to others. I don't care what happened. You don't do that and then continue to trash this person after they are dead. Why? What is the point? Quincy sure is a brilliant producer but seems like a shitty person. I do not care for him. b]

Exactly. And nobody is denying Quincy's accomplishments. But the biggest thing that happened in his career in the past 35 years was Michael Jackson. The one thing that brought him out in the spotlight again and arguably more than anything that has happened before.

it works both ways......just as working with MJ was Quincy most recognizable accomplishment (by those who were born after 1980, or the late 80s, or 90s).....working with Quincy was the best producer MJ ever worked with....and if we refuse to acknowledge that, we are fooling ourselves......together that collaboration produced the greatest, most quintessential soul/r&b album ever made, even when commercial media refuses to acknowledge that....the greatest selling album of all time, and the most eagerly anticipated follow up in recording industry.....all this happened in a span of 8 years, from 1978-1986...back to back to back

when u see a person destroying themselves publically, on a world stage, if you really cared about that person, you'd say something, even if it comes across to a fan following as being harsh....while the majority of the following only sought the entertainment value and nothing else, there was a human toll that Quincy put first and foremost.....

long after MJ/Quincy stopped working together....Quincy was working just as frequently and successfully out of the commercial spotlight........

and here's some food for thought...something the following, commercial media, including Top 40 radio never, ever, EVER has mentioned

after the History album, during the late 1990s, as MJ was harping on working on his new album (which would come to be known as Invincible)....Rodney Jerkins was not the first choice he considered, and even with Rodney Jerkins, MJ sought his participation through a third party

you know who MJ really wanted to produce that album?...not Rodney Jerkins, not Dr. Freeze, not Teddy Riley, not Dallas Austin, not Jimmy Jam or Terry Lewis, not Dr. Dre

none of those contemporary producers of that particular moment

he wanted to reunite with Quincy Jones and that's fact

this stuff, real tangible facts, never, ever gets spoken of on TV, radio, print, or fans......

real facts u have to dig up from underneath a rock, you have to kick the rock out of the way to find it

outside of the following...I've never heard anyone, much less the many artists he has worked with over the past 60 years, staring a decade before MJ was even born ever had anything bad about how Quincy Jones treated them...not one.....

from Frank Sinatra, to Count Basie, to Dizzy Gillespie, to Dusty Springfield, to Sarah Vaughn, to MIles Davis, to Melle Mel, Kool Moe Dee, Ice-T, to Big Daddy Kane, to Tevin Campbell

NOT ONE.....

DonRants said:

To Scorp:

Thanks for posting Quincy's accomplishments. I really didn't know all of that. I admire and respect Quincy's work and yes I think his contribution is sometimes denigrated by fans. But when he says : "I tell him what to sing and he sings" or something like that, it is too arrogant. MJ would never diss Quincy publicly like that. So my point is yes Quincy is great, but I wish he was a bit more gracious and respectful for a man who always spoke well of him publicly.

Scorp's previous posts : "26 years and 9 months", "It was never about Michael". OK whats with the cryptic posts...spell it out.

My latest: So although I bought Xscape from itunes, I am still seriously Jonesing for the CD. Jeesh I feel like a kid again having to get my hands on "Thriller" and then every album after that. I did not feel that strongly about "Michael". But my Michaeling fever has returned with this Xscape...Damn it. LOL.

OK here is something I truely love. It was 31 years ago that MJ did Motown 25 and I remember all of us kids trying to do the move and it was all we could talk about for at least a couple weeks. 31 years and now a kid comes and does a talent show and wins. That is amazing. The kid is pretty good too. Video included :

http://globalflare.com/hi...-moonwalk/

[Edited 5/22/14 11:23am]

I've never read or heard Quincy ever say anything like that regarding his work with MJ....I've never read where he said "I tell him what to sing and he sings".....

I believe that entire insinuation has been contrived, concocted, and handed down over time to uphold the narrative

but if we really break it down, we'll come to see that's not true considering the fact MJ penned 4 songs of his own for OFF THE WALL, half the songs on THRILLER, and most of the songs on BAD....

to last in any field of endeavor for 60 years, you have to be humble and gracious.....

his work has been constantly denigrated by the majority of the following since the internet evolved into the World Wide Web......

GoldDolphin said:

Scorp said:

as usual....a majority of MJ's current following direct their hate at the wrong source

I think this is so unfortunate, because all the information we need to determine whether or not Quincy Jones was relevant before we knew who Michael Jackson was is available on the internet but yet the majority chooses to uphold the narrative that he rode MJ'S name to glory......

but these are the real facts of the matter:

-Learned how to play trumpet at age 11

•Musical inspiration was Ray Charles

• Attended Berklee College of Music in Boston

• Joined Lionel Hampton’s r&b/blues band as trumpeter

• Became a freelance arranger in New York City

• Agreed to music direct Count Basie’s travelling band

•Received first award of merit as an arranger in 1956

• Began writing music for Barclay Records in France

• Studied composition and theory from Nadia Boulanger

• Boulanger was one of 20th century’s best music tutors

First score learned was Igor Stravinsky’s “Firebird Suite

at the age of 17, Quincy joined Lionel Hampton's musical band, Lionel Hampton was one of the country's greatest musicians of the 20th century and he asked Quincy to join his bad

•Began scoring for major musicals

• Formed his own jazz band

• Recorded song “Birth of a Band” winning wave reviews

• Signed with Mercury Records as A&R representative

• Promoted as Vice-President of Mercury

in 1956, he was performing in Jazz legend Dizzy Gillespie's musical band around the world

Quincy Jones became the first black person to be promoted as Vice-President of a major music label back in the 60s.....

•Earned 1st Grammy Award for arranging Count Basie’s

composition “I Can’t Stop Loving You”

• Scored for Frank Sinatra and Count Basie’s Orchestra

• Scored first feature length film “The Pawnbroker

• Began scoring major TV shows also

also in the 60s, Quincy was scoring music for the likes of Frank Sinatra himself and Count Basie, another great luminarie in the musical field....Quincy also became the first black person to score a feature length film which extended to major TV shows

ALL THIS HAPPENED before the world even knew who Michael Jackson was, before J-5 debuted on the scene at Motown with I WANT YOU BACK in 1969.......

Quincy was already the most sought after musical arranger and producer in the industry before 1970 hit

•Composed musical theme for TV Show “Sanford & Son”

• Began to champion social activism with his music

• First black person to score the Academy Awards in 1973

• Co-produced a major special honoring Duke Ellington

repeating, Quincy Jones was the first black person ever to score the Academy Awards and the theme music for Sanford and Son is one of the most recognizable efforts for

•Scored for the Mini-Series “Roots” in 1977

• Musical arranger for “The Wiz” in 1978

repeating, Quincy scored the most heavily viewed TV mini series of all time in ROOTS....this was before the The Wiz

Everyone in the music industry from every endeavor wanted Quincy to work on their projects in one form or fashion INCLUDING MIchael Jackson himself

it was not Quincy who approached Michael to produce OFF THE WALL, it was Michael who approached Quincy seeking a producer for his debut adult solo album

IN THE 80S

•Scored for the movie “The Color Purple” in 1986

• Throughout the 80’s, released two albums of his own

• “The Dude” and “Back On The Block”

• Both albums earned him a total of 8 Grammy Awards

"The Dude" was releaseed in 1981, more than a year earlier than the release of Thriller and that album won a series of Grammy Awards in the process....so nobody can suggest "The Dude" was riding the coattails of MJ

IN THE 1990S

•Co-produced “Fresh Prince” starring Will Smith

• Co-produced “In The House” starring L.L. Cool J.

• He scored for the TV program “In The Heat of the Night” starring Carrol O'Connor and Howard Rollins

• Musical arranger for President Clinton’s Inauguration

and I can tell by the continuous hate unleashed by the majority of the following, they dont' have a clue that Quincy remained just as active after working with MJ over the years than he had ever been.....but none of these facts were ever mention by commercial media, which makes it seems that Quincy's career was done after BAD

•Founded “Vibe” Magazine in 1995

• Released the album “Q’s Jook Joint” the same year

• The album celebrated Quincy’s 50 years in music

• Focused on educational tools and humanitarian cause

• Began to address world debt relief for struggling nations

THROUGHOUT QUINCY'S ENTIRE CAREER

•Has scored 33 major films and dozens of TV shows

• Arranged over 500 recordings

• Nominated for 77 Grammy Awards, winning 27 in all

• Seven Oscar Nominations

• Won an Emmy Award

•Received distinction by National Endowment of the Arts

• The distinction identified him as “The Jazz Master”

• The nation’s highest jazz honor

His career has spanned over the course of the past 6 decades, and in no doubt should go down in history as the music field's greatest, most prolific, and accomplished producer who's ever done it

but yet, the majority hold on the narrative that he's senile, all generated by contrived hate that is totally misdirected

he was already the best producer of all time before him and MJ starting working together

but the education system don't teach this stuff and it's so sad

OH, one last thing......that musical theme we here during those AUSTIN POWER'S movies staring Mike Meyers, that musical theme is SOUL BOSA NOVA, which Quincy arranged back in the 1960s, and that same musical theme was played at outdoor soccer stadiums in the 90s during the World Cup event....rappers have sampled the theme song including Ludacris

[Edited 5/22/14 1:42am]

If you're implying that MJ fans have somethingsomething against Q, is based on the bullshit he says about Michael and been saying for the last 10 years or so. MJ never said a bad word about Q - yet this man is very disrespectful towards Michael. Rest assure that ¨Q would not have been known in mainstream music had it not been for Michael Jackson, that of course doesn't take away from his talent as a composer/producer. The albums he did as composer/producer prior to OTW & Thriller, were known among people that liked jazz/ bossa nova and interested into music but he wasn't known in pop culture like he was when he co-produced those albums with Mike. I started playing the trumpet at the age of 5 years old and trust me when I say I have massive respect for dude BUT he is a known douchebag. Also the way Q talks about MJ wanting to be white is so hypocritical when I got articles that he's done in Sweden with Swedish journalists how he talks down on BLACK WOMEN (he comes from a black women doesn't he?! and I don't give a damn if he had issues with his mother etc) and other very strange comments about his "blackness". (You could also add to your list that the first film score was done in Sweden for the movie "Pojken i trädet" by film director Arne Sucksdorff - just to make sure fans DO know what Quincy has done which doesn't have much meaning at the end of the day when your talent should speak for itself instead of bashing people)

the majority has beef with anyone who threatens the narrative....anyone...family, friends, confidants, contemporaries, luminaries, real representatives of the press and radio, ANYONE

his mother

Janet got ripped to shreds 2 years over a spin cycle narrative that was never true

even Rebbie was attacked in late 2010....

the hate is way bigger than Q.....

and Pop culture is what's killing music anyway......it has already done it....tapping into it, exploiting it, raking it dry, and leaving it bare as a cupboard in the end...no replinishment, no cultivation......nothing...

what's sad about all of this....

back in 1984, during those Grammy Awards....

the talk wasn't about who was who, or who rode whose coattails

it was about two highly esteem individuals who made recording history together

the culmination of allot of great stuff

and no matter what the narrative suggests.....

I'm gonna hold on to that memory for the rest of my days......

that was one hell of a moment that the entire country and world celebrated together......

because the world more than likely will never see anything that memorable ever again, when this stuff was real

Scorp said:

I've never read or heard Quincy ever say anything like that regarding his work with MJ....I've never read where he said "I tell him what to sing and he sings".....

I believe that entire insinuation has been contrived, concocted, and handed down over time to uphold the narrative

but if we really break it down, we'll come to see that's not true considering the fact MJ penned 4 songs of his own for OFF THE WALL, half the songs on THRILLER, and most of the songs on BAD....

to last in any field of endeavor for 60 years, you have to be humble and gracious.....

his work has been constantly denigrated by the majority of the following since the internet evolved into the World Wide Web......

The Jones quote is from here. Jian Ghomeshi's "Q" talk ... CBC Radio

The Jones quote is from here. Jian Ghomeshi's "Q" talk ... CBC Radio

And you shot right through Scorps deluded, tired old drivel.

PatrickS77 said:

And you shot right through Scorps deluded, tired old drivel.

On a happier note, after falling from #1 to #9, in its third week on the chart Love Never Felt So Good climbs back up to #3 in Denmark while the album holds the top position for a second week. All thanks to Quincy of course.

Cloudbuster said:

Scorp said:

I've never read or heard Quincy ever say anything like that regarding his work with MJ....I've never read where he said "I tell him what to sing and he sings".....

I believe that entire insinuation has been contrived, concocted, and handed down over time to uphold the narrative

but if we really break it down, we'll come to see that's not true considering the fact MJ penned 4 songs of his own for OFF THE WALL, half the songs on THRILLER, and most of the songs on BAD....

to last in any field of endeavor for 60 years, you have to be humble and gracious.....

his work has been constantly denigrated by the majority of the following since the internet evolved into the World Wide Web......

The Jones quote is from here. Jian Ghomeshi's "Q" talk ... CBC Radio

Even scorp can't possibly argue with that, maybe he'll actually concede for once. When he gets to the Thriller part, Q sure does say "I" a lot too. Very noticeable. There was more than one mastermind on that Q. Wow.

Marrk said:

Even scorp can't possibly argue with that, maybe he'll actually concede for once. When he gets to the Thriller part, Q sure does say "I" a lot too. Very noticeable. There was more than one mastermind on that Q. Wow.

The success of the Off The Wall/Thriller/Bad trilogy probably swelled both of their heads to absurd levels.
If only they had been as humble as Kanye.

Cloudbuster said:

Marrk said:

Even scorp can't possibly argue with that, maybe he'll actually concede for once. When he gets to the Thriller part, Q sure does say "I" a lot too. Very noticeable. There was more than one mastermind on that Q. Wow.

The success of the Off The Wall/Thriller/Bad trilogy probably swelled both of their heads to absurd levels.
If only they had been as humble as Kanye.

I've watched Kanye vs the paparazzi on youtube. I feel a bit for him, They are relentless and horrible. He's a target. Maybe there is something to be said for being low key, mysterious and reclusive after all.

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Marrk said:

I've watched Kanye vs the paparazzi on youtube. I feel a bit for him, They are relentless and horrible. He's a target. Maybe there is something to be said for being low key, mysterious and reclusive after all.

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The paps are nothing but scoundrels for sure but Kanye doesn't help himself any.
Dude's a talent but I fail to be anything other than irritated by his unrelenting arrogance.

Hopefully much of it is simply for japes but seriously... Kanye, stfu.

Cloudbuster said:

Scorp said:

I've never read or heard Quincy ever say anything like that regarding his work with MJ....I've never read where he said "I tell him what to sing and he sings".....

I believe that entire insinuation has been contrived, concocted, and handed down over time to uphold the narrative

but if we really break it down, we'll come to see that's not true considering the fact MJ penned 4 songs of his own for OFF THE WALL, half the songs on THRILLER, and most of the songs on BAD....

to last in any field of endeavor for 60 years, you have to be humble and gracious.....

his work has been constantly denigrated by the majority of the following since the internet evolved into the World Wide Web......

The Jones quote is from here. Jian Ghomeshi's "Q" talk ... CBC Radio

as usual, taking the context, the real meaing of a statement relating to MJ and twisting it, distorting it to uphold the narrative.....

u qouted that part and the other guy but conveniently omitted the rest of the statement that provides clarity when he added "a producer has to do that"....

and the real reason why he's saying this is because he knows that establishment figures along w/the majority of the following is doing their best to rewrite history and marginalize if not practically nullify the role Q played in establishing MJ'S success as an adult solo artist

he's calling out the liars when he said that

he knows a sea of MJ fans act in a position of influence based on the platform given to them and make inaccurate assessments when the subject is mentioned in regards to the nature of their collaboration together when most of them wasn't even alive on the planet.....what he said here is to call out the narrative....

outside of this.......from 1982 up until the point of his statement in 2014 (as the narrative kicked into overdrive), he never made such a claim....

he knows he's being thrown under the bus, as everyone else who was associated with MJ'S past up unto the pinnacle of his career with THRILLER....

and as he said, the story about him not liking BILLIE JEAN is a lie......I never believed that for a second......that lie was cooked up by a member of the following and that's why he said he knows who is responsible

see, people think they slick

what happened was, a member of the following used BILLIE JEAN as the catalyst to suggest MJ didn't need Quincy because of that record's success as arguably being MJ'S most successful single of his career, knowing MJ wrote the song, using that as the springboard to continue fueling the narrative.........

Quincy said what he said in this interview this to get underneath the skin of the following, he knows those words will p*** them off

if we're gonna quote someone, quote everything...leave nothing out.....

the narrative has created hostility all across the board........

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Hmm, actually,I don't think anyone is writing Quincy out of history. I think Quincy said this because he was annoyed and angered by Jian's question that working with MJ was "challenging." As a matter of fact if you look on Jian's facial reaction right as Quincy starts responding to this question, he(Jian) seems to be surprised with the energy(anger?) that Quincy is responding with.

Quincy's response is to denigrate MJ. Basicly saying "He is just the singer and I am the Producer. I tell him what to sing.." In other words, "I am the Puppet Master. MJ is the puppet. How can I be "challenged" by a mere song and dance man?"

Now let me state this. I have mad respect for Quincy and his work. But I find him tactless and classless in the way he has choosen to relate to the media about MJ, especially after MJ died. The presuppositions (unstated assumptions) of a lot of his statements, including this one, is that MJ was "nothing special" and "It was I, Quincy Jones the Great who is mainly responsible for the successes of"Thriller", "OTW" and "Bad". Now he doesn't come out and say this...but that condescention is there in all those interviews and frankly its sad and unnecessary.

Scorp said:

Cloudbuster said:

The Jones quote is from here. Jian Ghomeshi's "Q" talk ... CBC Radio

as usual, taking the context, the real meaing of a statement relating to MJ and twisting it, distorting it to uphold the narrative.....

u qouted that part and the other guy but conveniently omitted the rest of the statement that provides clarity when he added "a producer has to do that"....

and the real reason why he's saying this is because he knows that establishment figures along w/the majority of the following is doing their best to rewrite history and marginalize if not practically nullify the role Q played in establishing MJ'S success as an adult solo artist

he's calling out the liars when he said that

he knows a sea of MJ fans act in a position of influence based on the platform given to them and make inaccurate assessments when the subject is mentioned in regards to the nature of their collaboration together when most of them wasn't even alive on the planet.....what he said here is to call out the narrative....

outside of this.......from 1982 up until the point of his statement in 2014 (as the narrative kicked into overdrive), he never made such a claim....

he knows he's being thrown under the bus, as everyone else who was associated with MJ'S past up unto the pinnacle of his career with THRILLER....

and as he said, the story about him not liking BILLIE JEAN is a lie......I never believed that for a second......that lie was cooked up by a member of the following and that's why he said he knows who is responsible

see, people think they slick

what happened was, a member of the following used BILLIE JEAN as the catalyst to suggest MJ didn't need Quincy because of that record's success as arguably being MJ'S most successful single of his career, knowing MJ wrote the song, using that as the springboard to continue fueling the narrative.........

Quincy said what he said in this interview this to get underneath the skin of the following, he knows those words will p*** them off

if we're gonna quote someone, quote everything...leave nothing out.....

the narrative has created hostility all across the board........

[Edited 5/22/14 20:15pm]

[Edited 5/22/14 21:40pm]

"Love Never Felt So Good" is officially a Top 10 hit single in the US

GoldDolphin said:

Aint nobody checking for Quincy unless it's related to Michael Jackson tho, that's why he's so damn bitter and keeps talking about having worked with other artists like Ray Charles etc. It's a shame that at this point of his life he can't get over the fact that Michael was amazingly talented artist (probably the most talented!) People always like to forget that MJ wrote his biggest hits and produced them as well and did so before Quincy even co-produced OTW and Thriller. What about his input as a producer on Destiny and Triumph (Tito talked about this in one of his interviews, can't remember which one right now)? Q should just stop it and start talkin about Tevin or something....

I have tremendous respect for Quincy and his accomplishments,but in recent years,some of his comments have pissed me off.He comes across as a bitter old man.Plus,I hate the way he became too preoccupied with hip hop....having a bunch of rappers on his albums