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Reply #90 posted 12/14/13 7:08pm

BrazilianOnRas
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lastdecember said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

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His last hit single was "Most Beautiful Girl" and by HIT i mean on more than one chart not just RB, after that "I hate U " was his last top 40 single, nothing after that hit top 40 on a mainstream chart. Album wise he has had varied success but most releases have peaked and dropped quick not sustaining any attention at all, exception being Musicology but that was attached to a tour and a ticket scheme that gave it a top 10 position, he was cashing in on 20th anniversary of Purple Rain doing a so called farewell tour, he is going to be doing this once again i think we will see in 2014, but he is not a mainstream artist at all and him putting out an album tomorrow with no hype would NOT be an event.

This is a complicated issue. Prince's music may have had the wrong promoting methonds since his lefting of Warner, and also it arguably has lost its pop-radio quality (or got out of standards with that). But, while I admit none of his post-Gold albums are as good as his previous, I feel there are some really great albums and songs from this period, 1995 til now. Of course, when talking bout Prince, we're talking about someone to make for this more recent period music that suffers comparision from what he did before, which had an enourmous exceptional music quality, especially in the 80s. It may pale in comparision, but his 00s work all together was a highlight of the decade in my opinion. Not many other's would rival. If you've listened to all his albums, you'll probably agree.

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Reply #91 posted 12/14/13 7:14pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

lastdecember said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

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His last hit single was "Most Beautiful Girl" and by HIT i mean on more than one chart not just RB, after that "I hate U " was his last top 40 single, nothing after that hit top 40 on a mainstream chart. Album wise he has had varied success but most releases have peaked and dropped quick not sustaining any attention at all, exception being Musicology but that was attached to a tour and a ticket scheme that gave it a top 10 position, he was cashing in on 20th anniversary of Purple Rain doing a so called farewell tour, he is going to be doing this once again i think we will see in 2014, but he is not a mainstream artist at all and him putting out an album tomorrow with no hype would NOT be an event.

Prince has something Beyonce HAS NOT achieved! Long-term success in EVERY SINGLE decade he has been in the industry, since the 70's. If it wasn't for PRINCE, who was an innovator with the internet before any artist! Beyonce would not have been able to deliver an album straight to the internet so quickly, WITHOUT a hit single herself. Which she has been unable to accomplish this year. In fact her last major hit single was "Single Ladies"! Which was 5 years ago!!

Mainstream or not! Prince has paid his dues! He can do whatever he wants, hit single or not doesn't matter.. He still can out perform any artist! Including Beyonce. This was all Beyonce had left to do! While it was still a brilliant idea. She still has no hit single! Which she proved really doesn't matter anyway. Because she is still at the top of her game.

So don't downplay Prince! Like no one is checking for him anymore. He can still slay her anytime!!!

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #92 posted 12/14/13 7:34pm

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Beyonce Bound for No. 1 As Sales Soar Past 400,000

Beyonce Bound for No. 1 As Sales Soar Past 400,000

"Beyonce’s self-titled surprise release, which hit iTunes exclusively on Thursday evening (9 p.m. PT), has now sold over 430,000 units in just over one day, guaranteeing it the top slot on the Billboard 200 once that chart’s top 10 is revealed mid-week.

As reported yesterday, “Beyonce” shifted slightly over 80,000 in the three hours from 9 p.m. PT to midnight on Thursday evening, putting her Friday sales at roughly 350,000. With two more days left in the sales tracking week, the title could sell over 600,000 before the buzzer sounds.

The iTunes exclusive “visual” album, retailing for $15.99 contains 14 tracks- not available for a la carte purchases until Dec. 20- and 14 accompanying videos, along with other bonus video content. No set date has been announced for the CD release to physical retailers or of its availability on other digital download sites.

At 430,000, “Beyonce” is already set to become the biggest debuting album by a female artist since Taylor Swift sold an astounding 1.2 million copies of “Red” in the week corresponding to Billboard 200 chart dated Nov 10, 2012. And if predictions in the 600,000 range hold, the set would grant Beyonce the best debut week- and best sales week period- of her career. Her 2006 album “B’day” started with 541,000 in September 2006."


http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/5839787/beyonce-bound-for-no-1-as-sales-soar-past-400000?utm_source=twitter


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Reply #93 posted 12/14/13 8:23pm

mjscarousal

lastdecember said:

People need to chill on the "Game Changing" talk becuase its not changing the game first of all, what it DID prove is that an aritst with a HUGE following doesnt need mass hype and a label to promote her that is a NO BRAINER, that has been proven since the 90's. Perspective on this people, she still need a label to get the album together, this is not indie, though i applaud not having to hear HYPE from her team, when artists start doing this totally indie I will say the game is changing, or even by breaking down some of the BS that goes on over at itunes too.

Again i applaud the leaving out the mass media and that whole thing, and people saying why doesnt PRINCE do this please cut that out, Prince has not had a mainstream hit since 1994, OK also he is a 55 year old man who is not in the media spotlight even if he did this most wouldnt care, unless musically it was going somewhere.

But you should know by now that it is a "inside industry thing" to kiss Beyonce's ass regardless of the quality of her craft. lol Regardless if David Bowie was the FIRST to do it since Beyonce did it, the media and her peers are going to insist she did it first. Why didnt people give David Bowie props when he did it first? I thought it was impressive when he did it because he didn't have the Super Bowl, a World Tour, a Pepsi commerical, Videos, Perfume line or clothing line to help him lol I am not sure why people are bringing Prince into this topic either. Prince IS a legend and has nothing to prove. Prince does not have to do desperate gimmicks in order to get folks to buy his album.Prince puts his music out the regular way and if you like it... you like it and if you dont.... you dont. Prince doesnt give a damn. There is no gimmicks or tricks involved because his music speaks for itself.

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Reply #94 posted 12/14/13 8:28pm

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2013 was a good year for superstar expensive ambitious pop albums...without many fun catchy songs.


Where are your good singles, Justin Gaga Britney Beyonce??? JUST BUY ONE, who cares??? Buy two.


Or we'll be stuck with Miley forever.

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Reply #95 posted 12/14/13 9:47pm

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Update:

BEYONCE has reached number one in 103 countries, and the album is predicted to sell approx 500k in the U.S. after just 3 days.


#WINNING.

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Reply #96 posted 12/14/13 10:21pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

This whole thing is reminiscent of & turning into dare I say "Thriller"! Hasn't been this type of excitement in the muziq industry for quite some time..I'm not even a fan of hers..... eek

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #97 posted 12/14/13 11:56pm

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^ rolleyes

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Reply #98 posted 12/15/13 12:52am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

This whole thing is reminiscent of & turning into dare I say "Thriller"! Hasn't been this type of excitement in the muziq industry for quite some time..I'm not even a fan of hers..... eek

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Reply #99 posted 12/15/13 2:37am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

This whole thing is reminiscent of & turning into dare I say "Thriller"! Hasn't been this type of excitement in the muziq industry for quite some time..I'm not even a fan of hers..... eek

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LOL!
One difference being that 8 of the 9 songs on Thriller are totally killer and includes songs such as Thriller, Beat It, Billie Jean and Waana Be Starting Something in high rotation 3 DECADES after release!

But I'm sure you're having us on!

I think the one thing she has proven here, is that in 2013 the record labels are only useful for breaking new artists who need exposure and money behind them. Any established artists can connect directly to their fanbase without marketing.

Beyonce is throwing money away by being signed to a label for this. The label principally provides physical distribution, marketing and money lending for recording/video costs, none of which she needs for this project. She may be giving away more than 70% of the profits for no real gain, depending on the terms of her deal.

Not that she needs that extra money, but it sure is interesting. This news should have the major labels even more concerned. Their cash cows may not need them at all.
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Reply #100 posted 12/15/13 3:24am

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NEVER FAILS! someone always has to comapre an album to Thriller.

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Reply #101 posted 12/15/13 4:09am

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Gunsnhalen said:

NEVER FAILS! someone always has to comapre an album to Thriller.

You can't compare a 2010s album with 80s album! At times people never knew what is "leaking" and they had actually record stores so you had to go out, handpick one and search for your favorite albums to buy, nowadays Torrent websites provide you more albums than you can ever find in a record store! This is why albums debut with less than 500K+ (exept of rappers/Have no idea why). Thriller album's first week sales were like over 2 million copies sold and it kept selling a million each week, Béyonce will hardly sell 2 million copies untill next years' new eve.

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Reply #102 posted 12/15/13 4:10am

SoulAlive

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

This whole thing is reminiscent of & turning into dare I say "Thriller"! Hasn't been this type of excitement in the muziq industry for quite some time..I'm not even a fan of hers..... eek

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Nothing that Beyonce,or any other artist,does will ever surpass Thriller and the Michaelmania of 1983.None of her songs will have that type of longtime impact.She's already made dozens of music videos and not a single one of them can compare to the landmark "Thriller" video.I'm gonna assume that you were high or drunk when you made that comment,lol.

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Reply #103 posted 12/15/13 4:25am

cindymay

lastdecember said:

People need to chill on the "Game Changing" talk becuase its not changing the game first of all, what it DID prove is that an aritst with a HUGE following doesnt need mass hype and a label to promote her that is a NO BRAINER, that has been proven since the 90's. Perspective on this people, she still need a label to get the album together, this is not indie, though i applaud not having to hear HYPE from her team, when artists start doing this totally indie I will say the game is changing, or even by breaking down some of the BS that goes on over at itunes too.

Again i applaud the leaving out the mass media and that whole thing, and people saying why doesnt PRINCE do this please cut that out, Prince has not had a mainstream hit since 1994, OK also he is a 55 year old man who is not in the media spotlight even if he did this most wouldnt care, unless musically it was going somewhere.

SO TRUE.. I saw people reacting like she was this indie girl who threw out this project alone..and they need to take a seat tbh !!she's still a super major artist she had the best team behind her for create this album and a lot of the new hot songwriters/performers around to write these songs for her: timberlake and timbaland, miguel, frank ocean, drake, pharell etc help her create this new album to let her be more hip as these girls around like her own sister, janelle monae etc( those kind of artists)..when I heard her sing I don't trust these record labels I laughed so hard..beyonce baby you're a corporate product not a rebel girl..this project was clearly very studied in all the little details, also this new more sexy persona visually and lyrically especially was clearly done to compete with the rihanna, miley's etc..that's why even though I think the music this time is a little better than her usual( probably for the reasons stated above)but far from being a great album, I can't take her seriously as an artist because everything she always does is following trends..when people compare her to michael jackson LOL there is a big difference between them michael was himself when he created his music he innovated the scene..all she does is following what others did before..

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Reply #104 posted 12/15/13 4:51am

cindymay

lastdecember said:

mjscarousal said:

But Bow Down and Grown Woman were leaked but they received negative reviews.

Agree but I think her label saw the success of David Bowie/ Jay Z etc album when they released theirs via Itunes and rolled the dice with Beyonce's. She dumped all her songs all at once because none of the singles were considered strong enough to release seperately. This was a smart move (I will give her team props for that) but I think underneath the hype people have been bamboozled by a PR tactic. Instead of doing great creative songs, she added a bunch of videos along with the songs to distract people from the music (she did the same thing with "4").The music does not speak for itself because it can not stand alone by itself. Its the same boring ass music she always does and the visuals are no different from Gaga/Rihanna which it appears she is trying to copy. I think the succes from this buzz shows that today's pop music is not about the quality of the music itself and more about how it is branded and marketed. I'm still rooting for Janelle though

The funny thing is that tons of people on twitter and facebook think she is the first artist to ever do something like this. Well shes far from it, when she did a video for every song on BDAY everyone thought it was a first too, NOT. Itunes is even billing this as the "Visual Album" great term because like you said its the visual distraction that gets you, lets face it, she is eye candy. She can complain about that but she uses it to her advantage, she herself in a recent interview that someone had a link to, she says " she doesnt get the song till she has the video in her mind totally" now this is why you have a lack of "songs" on many peoples album, too much focus on what the visual will be. This was a total PR tactic on her terms pretty much, her label i felt wanted nothing to do with this, its quick money, it costs nothing to promote, i mean twitter and Facebook are free, and to reel in the diehards they make the WHOLE album for sale at first, get those initial sales and cash in , before the album can be bought single for single.

I was like smh too..you can't say that about music..another reason why I don't consider her seriously don't get me wrong I like videos very much but they can't be a substitute for music..like I love when my favorites do great videos but they are just a plus to the music..plus yes about the eye candy..like in the first 8 videos I already saw her butt cheeks in every way possible..the majority of these videos let's be honest were focused on her acting sexy, licking her lips, dancing around a pole semi naked, her in a bed...not very much left to real artistic ideas in 17 videos..

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Reply #105 posted 12/15/13 5:06am

cindymay

mjscarousal said:

lastdecember said:

People need to chill on the "Game Changing" talk becuase its not changing the game first of all, what it DID prove is that an aritst with a HUGE following doesnt need mass hype and a label to promote her that is a NO BRAINER, that has been proven since the 90's. Perspective on this people, she still need a label to get the album together, this is not indie, though i applaud not having to hear HYPE from her team, when artists start doing this totally indie I will say the game is changing, or even by breaking down some of the BS that goes on over at itunes too.

Again i applaud the leaving out the mass media and that whole thing, and people saying why doesnt PRINCE do this please cut that out, Prince has not had a mainstream hit since 1994, OK also he is a 55 year old man who is not in the media spotlight even if he did this most wouldnt care, unless musically it was going somewhere.

But you should know by now that it is a "inside industry thing" to kiss Beyonce's ass regardless of the quality of her craft. lol Regardless if David Bowie was the FIRST to do it since Beyonce did it, the media and her peers are going to insist she did it first. Why didnt people give David Bowie props when he did it first? I thought it was impressive when he did it because he didn't have the Super Bowl, a World Tour, a Pepsi commerical, Videos, Perfume line or clothing line to help him lol I am not sure why people are bringing Prince into this topic either. Prince IS a legend and has nothing to prove. Prince does not have to do desperate gimmicks in order to get folks to buy his album.Prince puts his music out the regular way and if you like it... you like it and if you dont.... you dont. Prince doesnt give a damn. There is no gimmicks or tricks involved because his music speaks for itself.

I totally agree..and I also agree with you about saying that today marketing strategies are everything, that and creating controversy around you that's what really increases the attention on you, along with of course put sex in everything lol ..because we have great artists that don't receive this hype because they simply rely on the music and on their art..,,.they let art speaks for themselves but today isn't enough and we know this..adele was the only exception but she's white..it's another story..

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Reply #106 posted 12/15/13 7:34am

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lastdecember said:

His last hit single was "Most Beautiful Girl" and by HIT i mean on more than one chart not just RB, after that "I hate U " was his last top 40 single, nothing after that hit top 40 on a mainstream chart. Album wise he has had varied success but most releases have peaked and dropped quick not sustaining any attention at all, exception being Musicology but that was attached to a tour and a ticket scheme that gave it a top 10 position, he was cashing in on 20th anniversary of Purple Rain doing a so called farewell tour, he is going to be doing this once again i think we will see in 2014, but he is not a mainstream artist at all and him putting out an album tomorrow with no hype would NOT be an event.

Prince has something Beyonce HAS NOT achieved! Long-term success in EVERY SINGLE decade he has been in the industry, since the 70's. If it wasn't for PRINCE, who was an innovator with the internet before any artist! Beyonce would not have been able to deliver an album straight to the internet so quickly, WITHOUT a hit single herself. Which she has been unable to accomplish this year. In fact her last major hit single was "Single Ladies"! Which was 5 years ago!!

Mainstream or not! Prince has paid his dues! He can do whatever he wants, hit single or not doesn't matter.. He still can out perform any artist! Including Beyonce. This was all Beyonce had left to do! While it was still a brilliant idea. She still has no hit single! Which she proved really doesn't matter anyway. Because she is still at the top of her game.

So don't downplay Prince! Like no one is checking for him anymore. He can still slay her anytime!!!

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Again you miss my point no one said no one checks for PRINCE, but you cannot tell me like many are saying on this forum that "He could do this" NO HE CANT, thats just a fact, thats not slighting him because he is on a whole other planet than her and always is. But he is 55 now he is not going to take over facebook for a day with a new album, and go number 1 all over the world for a week, he doesnt want to or care to, and he shouldnt either. For Prince to get this kind of "wide response" or even something like he got for "Musicology" he does have to play the game, he owned that 2004 because he toured everywhere did every type of show talk show etc...interviews, jammed that album and tour down your throat, but also attached it strongly with his past, he couldnt do that when he toured "Rainbow Children" which was a better tour and album by far, but because he was indie, he sold only 150,000 of that album which to me is amazing but that is far from a mainstream record, and he was touring by saying NO OLD SONGS, well that cut down on people that went or paid attention, but that is fine cause to me i enjoyed it more, but it is what it is.


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Reply #107 posted 12/15/13 7:43am

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BrazilianOnRaspberryBeret said:

lastdecember said:

His last hit single was "Most Beautiful Girl" and by HIT i mean on more than one chart not just RB, after that "I hate U " was his last top 40 single, nothing after that hit top 40 on a mainstream chart. Album wise he has had varied success but most releases have peaked and dropped quick not sustaining any attention at all, exception being Musicology but that was attached to a tour and a ticket scheme that gave it a top 10 position, he was cashing in on 20th anniversary of Purple Rain doing a so called farewell tour, he is going to be doing this once again i think we will see in 2014, but he is not a mainstream artist at all and him putting out an album tomorrow with no hype would NOT be an event.

This is a complicated issue. Prince's music may have had the wrong promoting methonds since his lefting of Warner, and also it arguably has lost its pop-radio quality (or got out of standards with that). But, while I admit none of his post-Gold albums are as good as his previous, I feel there are some really great albums and songs from this period, 1995 til now. Of course, when talking bout Prince, we're talking about someone to make for this more recent period music that suffers comparision from what he did before, which had an enourmous exceptional music quality, especially in the 80s. It may pale in comparision, but his 00s work all together was a highlight of the decade in my opinion. Not many other's would rival. If you've listened to all his albums, you'll probably agree.

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I have all his albums and have been into Prince since 1980 so im far from a "novice" on this issue, his work isnt in question here, quality doesnt result in album sales, case closed never has. There are 80's albums of his that i dont listen to anymore, that just happend to his decade where he was in the light. Promotion changes for an aritst when they get older, the game is very different from the 80's, it was changing on him in the early 90's and he knew it, he knew that things were slipping away for his play across the board, thats just how times change, and he is still standing because he let all that go and just does what he wants which is what an ARTIST does, an artist doesnt care for trends or even what his audience "wants". His work since the 90's has been good, you cant really compare times because he has grown he is older and his work reflects that, which is a good thing.


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Reply #108 posted 12/15/13 8:20am

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Thank you for posting clips of the music. i listened to most of them, and didn't hear anything that sounds good to my ears. Now, I am not Beyonce's audience, however I understand why Beyonce's songs have been so popular with the mass public.

But I didn't hear anything here that I think will even move that crowd once they actually really listen to it. But I may be very wrong.

I think it would have been a much more interesting exercise for her to release the album, as just that, an album not a "visual" album with all of the videos with all of the makeup, and lip licking and butt cheeks. If everyone just listened to the 30 second snippets without all of the visual adornment...I'd be very curious to see the reaction.

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Reply #109 posted 12/15/13 9:22am

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nextedition said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

This whole thing is reminiscent of & turning into dare I say "Thriller"! Hasn't been this type of excitement in the muziq industry for quite some time..I'm not even a fan of hers..... eek

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Reply #110 posted 12/15/13 9:32am

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Her "music", as well as most of today's "music", is only an excuse to show off the singer's body. The motto of today's showbusiness is "let's find a milion and one way to show off your tits and booty". That probably explains why there is a video for every single song and why you can see shots just of her tits and booty in every single one of them. I listened to all the snippets and I can't tell one song from another. It's just faster or slower electronic drums with her singing. I am so freaking bored. bored

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Reply #111 posted 12/15/13 9:39am

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dag said:

Her "music", as well as most of today's "music", is only an excuse to show off the singer's body. The motto of today's showbusiness is "let's find a milion and one way to show off your tits and booty". That probably explains why there is a video for every single song and why you can see shots just of her tits and booty in every single one of them. I listened to all the snippets and I can't tell one song from another. It's just faster or slower electronic drums with her singing. I am so freaking bored. bored

exactly confused why not creating videos with actual artistic ideas instead of showing her tits and ass in basically every video..

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Reply #112 posted 12/15/13 10:22am

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dag said:

Her "music", as well as most of today's "music", is only an excuse to show off the singer's body. The motto of today's showbusiness is "let's find a milion and one way to show off your tits and booty". That probably explains why there is a video for every single song and why you can see shots just of her tits and booty in every single one of them. I listened to all the snippets and I can't tell one song from another. It's just faster or slower electronic drums with her singing. I am so freaking bored. bored

nod I sorta understand why Beyonce makes all these videos.The music itself isn't enough to hold people's attention.She's a "visual" artist,in every sense of that word.

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Reply #113 posted 12/15/13 10:30am

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Well, after one listen, so far the only thing I like is Rocket. It sounds like a D'Angelo track.

This was marketing genius. Timing + pop stardom = success. (One hit wonders and mid-level artists, don't try this at home)People have to be interested in you and you have to be gone for a second for it to work.

I'm underwhelmed by the music (sans Rocket) but highly impressed by the marketing.

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Reply #114 posted 12/15/13 11:24am

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mjscarousal said:

lastdecember said:

People need to chill on the "Game Changing" talk becuase its not changing the game first of all, what it DID prove is that an aritst with a HUGE following doesnt need mass hype and a label to promote her that is a NO BRAINER, that has been proven since the 90's. Perspective on this people, she still need a label to get the album together, this is not indie, though i applaud not having to hear HYPE from her team, when artists start doing this totally indie I will say the game is changing, or even by breaking down some of the BS that goes on over at itunes too.

Again i applaud the leaving out the mass media and that whole thing, and people saying why doesnt PRINCE do this please cut that out, Prince has not had a mainstream hit since 1994, OK also he is a 55 year old man who is not in the media spotlight even if he did this most wouldnt care, unless musically it was going somewhere.

But you should know by now that it is a "inside industry thing" to kiss Beyonce's ass regardless of the quality of her craft. lol Regardless if David Bowie was the FIRST to do it since Beyonce did it, the media and her peers are going to insist she did it first. Why didnt people give David Bowie props when he did it first? I thought it was impressive when he did it because he didn't have the Super Bowl, a World Tour, a Pepsi commerical, Videos, Perfume line or clothing line to help him lol I am not sure why people are bringing Prince into this topic either. Prince IS a legend and has nothing to prove. Prince does not have to do desperate gimmicks in order to get folks to buy his album.Prince puts his music out the regular way and if you like it... you like it and if you dont.... you dont. Prince doesnt give a damn. There is no gimmicks or tricks involved because his music speaks for itself.

^ALL OF THIS!!!!

MJscarousal and a few other folks here get it--everyone else here losing their mind over this "groundbreaking achievement" rolleyes thinking she changed the game and acting like she's the first ever artist in the history of ever to do this, dont get it because they've fallen for all the hype and got caught up in the crazy spin her PR team is making out of this. Like Cindymay said Beyonce is a corporate puppet. Pretty sure this whole idea was cooked up by her handlers but the hype and hysteria over this is ridiculous. All she did was record songs and film videos in secret and release it. If someone like Christina Aguilera, or Pink or Brandy did this would there be all this crazy hysteria and stanning over it? I dont think so. Beyonce has a brilliant team behind her that I'm sure she pays very well and this was a great idea. They pulled it off and it will go on to be #1 on the charts next week. But once the hype and craziness calms down then what? Will it stay in the top 10 or sink like a lead balloon? People saying the music aint that great and doesnt live up to the hype. She will probably sell at least a million copies but how is this album gonna do in the long run? Time will tell.

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Reply #115 posted 12/15/13 11:28am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

This whole thing is reminiscent of & turning into dare I say "Thriller"! Hasn't been this type of excitement in the muziq industry for quite some time..I'm not even a fan of hers..... eek

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Nothing that Beyonce,or any other artist,does will ever surpass Thriller and the Michaelmania of 1983.None of her songs will have that type of longtime impact.She's already made dozens of music videos and not a single one of them can compare to the landmark "Thriller" video.I'm gonna assume that you were high or drunk when you made that comment,lol.

THANK YOU!!!! clapping clapping clapping This Beyonce worship is outta hand, people are so easily impressed by hype and flash these days lol. No wonder entertainment that lacks substance is what is popular. razz

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Reply #116 posted 12/15/13 11:39am

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is this album any good? her previous albums have been hopelessly dull...

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Reply #117 posted 12/15/13 1:06pm

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lastdecember said:

I have all his albums and have been into Prince since 1980 so im far from a "novice" on this issue, his work isnt in question here, quality doesnt result in album sales, case closed never has. There are 80's albums of his that i dont listen to anymore, that just happend to his decade where he was in the light. Promotion changes for an aritst when they get older, the game is very different from the 80's, it was changing on him in the early 90's and he knew it, he knew that things were slipping away for his play across the board, thats just how times change, and he is still standing because he let all that go and just does what he wants which is what an ARTIST does, an artist doesnt care for trends or even what his audience "wants". His work since the 90's has been good, you cant really compare times because he has grown he is older and his work reflects that, which is a good thing.

Well, then maybe it's me but I always like to compare everything in art as a general, helps me appreciate things better. Anyway, his work may reflect his experience, his age, music-wise, but not always lyric-wise. Take that new song from this year, Boyfriend. The lyrics are frankly ridiculous for a man his age singing.

-Wtv u heard bout me is true,I change the rules n do what I wanna do.[Im n love w God,He's the only way - NOT!]We know we gotta die some day,so Im gon have fun evr MF night!Im gon 2 another life.How bout u?
-Im wit u...Ur so cool, evrtg u do is SUCCESS.
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Reply #118 posted 12/15/13 2:46pm

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lastdecember said:

I have all his albums and have been into Prince since 1980 so im far from a "novice" on this issue, his work isnt in question here, quality doesnt result in album sales, case closed never has. There are 80's albums of his that i dont listen to anymore, that just happend to his decade where he was in the light. Promotion changes for an aritst when they get older, the game is very different from the 80's, it was changing on him in the early 90's and he knew it, he knew that things were slipping away for his play across the board, thats just how times change, and he is still standing because he let all that go and just does what he wants which is what an ARTIST does, an artist doesnt care for trends or even what his audience "wants". His work since the 90's has been good, you cant really compare times because he has grown he is older and his work reflects that, which is a good thing.

Well, then maybe it's me but I always like to compare everything in art as a general, helps me appreciate things better. Anyway, his work may reflect his experience, his age, music-wise, but not always lyric-wise. Take that new song from this year, Boyfriend. The lyrics are frankly ridiculous for a man his age singing.

I think u can do that with a song now and then but you cant put Prince of 1984 up against Prince of 2004 or 2014 etc....things like that. Artists with longevity and artists that you have liked since the beginning or an era in particular, it will always lead to letdowns, people always want a new Prince album to be Lovesexy part 2 or Sign of the Times 2014, aint gonna happen, because he grew up, things that make you feel a certain way then wont now and trying to find subsitutes for old feelings leads to new letdowns. As for Prince lyric wise i said day one that the song and video for Breakfast Can Wait was very immature for him, honestly it was no better than what R Kelly is doing now and has always done. But that is a whole other issue


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Reply #119 posted 12/15/13 2:54pm

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mjscarousal said:

lastdecember said:

People need to chill on the "Game Changing" talk becuase its not changing the game first of all, what it DID prove is that an aritst with a HUGE following doesnt need mass hype and a label to promote her that is a NO BRAINER, that has been proven since the 90's. Perspective on this people, she still need a label to get the album together, this is not indie, though i applaud not having to hear HYPE from her team, when artists start doing this totally indie I will say the game is changing, or even by breaking down some of the BS that goes on over at itunes too.

Again i applaud the leaving out the mass media and that whole thing, and people saying why doesnt PRINCE do this please cut that out, Prince has not had a mainstream hit since 1994, OK also he is a 55 year old man who is not in the media spotlight even if he did this most wouldnt care, unless musically it was going somewhere.

But you should know by now that it is a "inside industry thing" to kiss Beyonce's ass regardless of the quality of her craft. lol Regardless if David Bowie was the FIRST to do it since Beyonce did it, the media and her peers are going to insist she did it first. Why didnt people give David Bowie props when he did it first? I thought it was impressive when he did it because he didn't have the Super Bowl, a World Tour, a Pepsi commerical, Videos, Perfume line or clothing line to help him lol I am not sure why people are bringing Prince into this topic either. Prince IS a legend and has nothing to prove. Prince does not have to do desperate gimmicks in order to get folks to buy his album.Prince puts his music out the regular way and if you like it... you like it and if you dont.... you dont. Prince doesnt give a damn. There is no gimmicks or tricks involved because his music speaks for itself.

Of course everyone is gonna kiss her ass, but look at that Twitter Feed, like at who is giving her props 99% of those people are meaningless to music, they are media stars, Perez Hilton? why would i care ONE BIT about what he thinks? he only has a job cause Paris Hilton goes to parties and Kim K has a fat ass. Perez is a useless clown.

To me I am more impressed when ARTISTS NOT in the "light" not big on twitter and BS like that, do "these things" like a David Bowie, or one that is really getting alot of recognition Julian Lennon, for showing that "his dad" was not the only visionary and is doing some amazing media and unique type release stuff with his album, his new APP on itunes may not get any big numbers but the thought that went into that and the MUSIC CRAFT that went into it, top notch, and yes a video for every song, but thought out, unlike others. I am more impressed when artists like this are doing things that people dont expect. Now again i applaud Beyonce on the "knowing your audience" thing she know this would work, but again, this is not a very good album, and its far from "groundbreaking" in the way it was put out, outside of the fact she did it with no promotion, she doesnt need to be promoted, and like i said "established" artists have know this since the early days of the internet that you can make money without a label. I give her credit, but she didnt event the WHEEL people, let it go.


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