NaughtyKitty said:

NDRU said:

I absolutely agree, you can't listen to The Dude and The Wiz and other Q productions and not hear how his stamp is all over those MJ albums as well.

And yes, there's a reason Ai No Corrida is not as big as Billie Jean, so nobody's trying to take away from michael

Ai No Corrida is my jam!

Mine to!!!!!The music & vocals are unbelievable...

Graycap23 said:

mjscarousal said:

Shut your ignorant ass dumb as up.... Michael was in the industry LONGER than Prince as produce/composed songs BY HIS SELF... Quincy Jones has an EGO problem he didnt want to give Michael credit for NOTHING. Shut the fuck up and take your Prince rants to someone who gives a shit.

What songs has Mj produced by himself?

All these songs he wrote to might I add and produced BY HIS SELF

Stranger in Moscow- History- classic

They Dont Really Care About Us- History-classic

Centipede- Rebbie Jackson song

Childhood- History-classic

Cheater- Bad unreleased song

D.S.- History

Why- 3T song- From 3T Brotherhood album

Muscles- Diana Ross song

State of Shock-The Jacksonsft. Mick Jagger

I Like The Way You Love Me- unreleased song

Speechless- Invincible

These are just some I can think of right this moment but there are alot more.... the songs in bolded were notable hits.

The fact of the matter is if Michael Jackson wanted to produce an album BY HIS SELF.....

HE COULD.

[Edited 9/26/12 10:37am]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I tell the truth call me what U want. But as long as mJ was on this earth he never produced a whole album of his by himself. Ask Quincy, Teddy Riley, Rodney Jerkins etc..I can go on & on. He was gifted & very talented. But that never happened...

But if he WANTED to he was more than capable of and no you dont tell the truth... you insisted that he wasnt capable of producing an album by his self and he more than well was when an handful of his hit songs he wrote himself were in fact produced by his self alone.

mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

What songs has Mj produced by himself?

All these songs he wrote to might I add and produced BY HIS SELF

Stranger in Moscow- History- classic

They Dont Really Care About Us- History-classic

Centipede- Rebbie Jackson song

Childhood- History-classic

Cheater- Bad unreleased song

D.S.- History

Why- 3T song- From 3T Brotherhood album

Muscles- Diana Ross song

State of Shock-The Jacksonsft. Mick Jagger

I Like The Way You Love Me- unreleased song

Speechless- Invincible

These are just some I can think of right this moment but there are alot more.... the songs in bolded were notable hits.

The fact of the matter is if Michael Jackson wanted to produce an album BY HIS SELF.....

HE COULD.

[Edited 9/26/12 10:37am]

That is 11 songs in a 40 year career.

1 song every 3.6 years. A producer he is NOT.

Graycap23 said:

mjscarousal said:

All these songs he wrote to might I add and produced BY HIS SELF

Stranger in Moscow- History- classic

They Dont Really Care About Us- History-classic

Centipede- Rebbie Jackson song

Childhood- History-classic

Cheater- Bad unreleased song

D.S.- History

Why- 3T song- From 3T Brotherhood album

Muscles- Diana Ross song

State of Shock-The Jacksonsft. Mick Jagger

I Like The Way You Love Me- unreleased song

Speechless- Invincible

These are just some I can think of right this moment but there are alot more.... the songs in bolded were notable hits.

The fact of the matter is if Michael Jackson wanted to produce an album BY HIS SELF.....

HE COULD.

[Edited 9/26/12 10:37am]

That is 11 songs in a 40 year career.

1 song every 3.6 years. A producer he is NOT.

Did you READ anything I said???

I said that was a FEW that I could think of at this moment but their are ALOT more....

not to mention the demos for all the BAD sessions before they were given to Quincy shit even OTW, THRILLER!!

YES he is a producer and he CO produced all those songs with Quincy.. You can LISTEN TO THE DEMOS YOURSELF BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN GIVEN TO QUINCY!!!! Its not that much difference.

The fact that some of the songs he produced were REAL hits says alot right there about his talent as a producer and he EVEN produced for OTHER artists... I think some credit should be given here.

[Edited 9/26/12 10:53am]

mjscarousal said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I tell the truth call me what U want. But as long as mJ was on this earth he never produced a whole album of his by himself. Ask Quincy, Teddy Riley, Rodney Jerkins etc..I can go on & on. He was gifted & very talented. But that never happened...

But if he WANTED to he was more than capable of and no you dont tell the truth... you insisted that he wasnt capable of producing an album by his self and he more than well was when an handful of his hit songs he wrote himself were in fact produced by his self alone.

But sadly he never did in his almost 50 year career

"Stranger In Moscow" by the way is my favorite cut period off my favorite album by him "History" besides OTW & Triumph....

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This is also my favorite pic by him R.I.P MJ

[Edited 9/26/12 11:08am]

mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

That is 11 songs in a 40 year career.

1 song every 3.6 years. A producer he is NOT.

Did you READ anything I said???

I said that was a FEW that I could think of at this moment but their are ALOT more....

not to mention the demos for all the BAD sessions before they were given to Quincy shit even OTW, THRILLER!!

YES he is a producer and he CO produced all those songs with Quincy.. You can LISTEN TO THE DEMOS YOURSELF BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN GIVEN TO QUINCY!!!! Its not that much difference.

The fact that some of the songs he produced were REAL hits says alot right there about his talent as a producer and he EVEN produced for OTHER artists... I think some credit should be given here.

[Edited 9/26/12 10:53am]

I know a real producer when I see/hear one...............

NaughtyKitty said:

NDRU said:

I absolutely agree, you can't listen to The Dude and The Wiz and other Q productions and not hear how his stamp is all over those MJ albums as well.

And yes, there's a reason Ai No Corrida is not as big as Billie Jean, so nobody's trying to take away from michael

Ai No Corrida is my jam!

Yeah, not trying to take away from that song either. It's great, just not one of the most iconic pop songs of all time

mjscarousal said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I tell the truth call me what U want. But as long as mJ was on this earth he never produced a whole album of his by himself. Ask Quincy, Teddy Riley, Rodney Jerkins etc..I can go on & on. He was gifted & very talented. But that never happened...

But if he WANTED to he was more than capable of and no you dont tell the truth... you insisted that he wasnt capable of producing an album by his self and he more than well was when an handful of his hit songs he wrote himself were in fact produced by his self alone.

WHY didn't Michael WANT to produce a whole album by himself, then?

Adisa said:

mjscarousal said:

But if he WANTED to he was more than capable of and no you dont tell the truth... you insisted that he wasnt capable of producing an album by his self and he more than well was when an handful of his hit songs he wrote himself were in fact produced by his self alone.

WHY didn't Michael WANT to produce a whole album by himself, then?

Because like MJ said many times, he believed that a good song or a great musician should get the chance as well, he believed that all great songs should get credit. MJ had the best musicians in the industry playing for him because he thought that they had spent years on their instruments and being great at their musicianship. This guy spent years watching first hand when all the Motown musicians, producers were working, MJ was at the studio when Stevie Wonder was producing his great albums in the 70s, so clearly he could have been the main producer on all his albums but he chose not to, because he had always collaborated with other musicians and songwriters, just like MOTOWN had done. People seem to forget that MJ has been working with music since he was 5 yrs old and started recording when he was 8-9 years old. Big Boy was released when he was 9 years old. He started writing songs on his own in 1970 and started co-producing songs when he was 15-16 with Jackson 5/The Jacksons. So could he produce an album by himself? He most certainly could have, just like he produced songs for himself, for family members and other friends.

MJ co-produced this song with the Jackson 5 for a group called MDLT, this was a time when the brothers wanted to start having creative input in their work like Marvin & Stevie had done. MJ apparently played the drums on this track.

MJ playing the bongos when he's 7 I believe? MJ is a natural musical genius (this jam session, doesn't show it) that's why he's been performing since the age of 5.

[Edited 9/26/12 13:18pm]

GoldDolphin said:

Adisa said:

WHY didn't Michael WANT to produce a whole album by himself, then?

Because like MJ said many times, he believed that a good song or a great musician should get the chance as well, he believed that all great songs should get credit. MJ had the best musicians in the industry playing for him because he thought that they had spent years on their instruments and being great at their musicianship. This guy spent years watching first hand when all the Motown musicians, producers were working, MJ was at the studio when Stevie Wonder was producing his great albums in the 70s, so clearly he could have been the main producer on all his albums but he chose not to, because he had always collaborated with other musicians and songwriters, just like MOTOWN had done. People seem to forget that MJ has been working with music since he was 5 yrs old and started recording when he was 8-9 years old. Big Boy was released when he was 9 years old. He started writing songs on his own in 1970 and started co-producing songs when he was 15-16 with Jackson 5/The Jacksons. So could he produce an album by himself? He most certainly could have, just like he produced songs for himself, for family members and other friends.

MJ co-produced this song with the Jackson 5 for a group called MDLT, this was a time when the brothers wanted to start having creative input in their work like Marvin & Stevie had done. MJ apparently played the drums on this track.

MJ playing the bongos when he's 7 I believe? MJ is a natural musical genius (this jam session, doesn't show it) that's why he's been performing since the age of 5.

[Edited 9/26/12 13:18pm]

None of this answers the question: WHY didn't he WANT to produce a whole album by himself.

And being in ANY business 40 years (or watching Stevie Wonder ) doesn't mean you are capable of doing what you when you want within that industry.

For the record, I liked what Michael did as a producer on his own for the tracks on HIStory.

Adisa said:

GoldDolphin said:

Because like MJ said many times, he believed that a good song or a great musician should get the chance as well, he believed that all great songs should get credit. MJ had the best musicians in the industry playing for him because he thought that they had spent years on their instruments and being great at their musicianship. This guy spent years watching first hand when all the Motown musicians, producers were working, MJ was at the studio when Stevie Wonder was producing his great albums in the 70s, so clearly he could have been the main producer on all his albums but he chose not to, because he had always collaborated with other musicians and songwriters, just like MOTOWN had done. People seem to forget that MJ has been working with music since he was 5 yrs old and started recording when he was 8-9 years old. Big Boy was released when he was 9 years old. He started writing songs on his own in 1970 and started co-producing songs when he was 15-16 with Jackson 5/The Jacksons. So could he produce an album by himself? He most certainly could have, just like he produced songs for himself, for family members and other friends.

MJ co-produced this song with the Jackson 5 for a group called MDLT, this was a time when the brothers wanted to start having creative input in their work like Marvin & Stevie had done. MJ apparently played the drums on this track.

MJ playing the bongos when he's 7 I believe? MJ is a natural musical genius (this jam session, doesn't show it) that's why he's been performing since the age of 5.

[Edited 9/26/12 13:18pm]

None of this answers the question: WHY didn't he WANT to produce a whole album by himself.

And being in ANY business 40 years (or watching Stevie Wonder ) doesn't mean you are capable of doing what you when you want within that industry.

For the record, I liked what Michael did as a producer on his own for the tracks on HIStory.

Not everyone wants to produce their album by themselves, they believe in working with others and sharing the work with other people. I do think that MJ was very much capable of doing it, there are lousy hip hop producers like The Dream who are producers so obviously a musical genius like Mike could have done it.

I love HIStory, I wish we could get more outtakes from that era. Stranger in moscow is my fav MJ song.

it's 1984, the night of the Grammy Awards

arguably the greatest singular celebratory moment in the history of the music industry

the entire country joins in on the festivities as we watched two men, the very top of their craft, the best musical force on the planet along with being the best entertainer (which he proved with his debut album performing in front of the audience who never received their recognition for their vital contribution) and the most gifted/prolific producer who worked together to craft a body of music that shook the world at its feet for 2 years..

standing side by side as brethren, as equals, as musical soulmates, as luminaries, as examples of what you can achieve by being dedicated to what you do.....

I haven't experienced the same exhilaration following music as I did on that night........

there was no fake smiles, no stage, no sense of hostility, the moment was as real as it gets....

it was greater than music, it was about culture receiving its just due, which was long overdue,

this is why Quincy over the years has alluded to the fact Michael was able to touched the hearts of people 8-80, because his talent, was shaped, and cultivated by decades of cultural expression, created out of the struggle, which originated by the spirituals

if Michael didn't receive his props on that night, for what he achieved with THRILLER, The Grammys would have had shut down production for good...even if they didn't want to give it to him, they had to give it too him because of the sheer will of the talent he unleashed......

they made history together....real history, and when you achieve that, you don't have to hog the credit because history speaks for itself

but fast forward 30 years.......

all those great memories and good will has been swarmed by a litany of commotion and chaos and sheer madness trying that has distorted everything, that has taken the actual experience and absolutely flushed it down the toilet to uphold all the lies for what they want to believe, accusing Quincy of wanting to take all of the credit for Michael's success

when he never did....because if he wanted to take all of the credit, he would have did so during th age of THRILLER itself, he would have done so when him and Michael walked on that stage together during the GRAMMYS when they racked up all those awards together...

he would have stood there and verbally said he did this and he did that, but he didn't do it because he gave credit to every single person who participated on that record.......which is exactly what he did for his own individual projects with THE DUDE and BACK ON THE BLOCK

it wouldn't even make sense for Quincy to do that considering the fact that his participation centered on the music.....he couldn't have taken credit for the videos or the dancing aspect......the entire insinuation doesn't wash....

because THRILLER wasn't really about one individual, it was about the celebration of music itself considering everyone who participated on that album, as musicians, and studio singers, and background singers, and writers, the whole nine....

when my family got THRILLER for me, I would open the inside of the album jacket and look at the credits, to see who did what....I was 11-12 years old.....that's why I'm totally offended by all the lies because myself and millions of others who had the opportunity to witness this period firsthand didn't make these type of accusations because it was never true

that's what so sad about all of this and what it has led to...thanks to the pop ascension, it has washed it all down...

but proof is always in the pudding.....that's the beautiful thing about tape

http://www.youtube.com/wa...bNq6zceQOw

[Edited 9/26/12 18:16pm]

if there's a feeling that I"ve taken this too far, I suggest it hasn't been taken for enough after what I just read a minute ago

I just visited an MJ forum where one of his current fans said this

and this is a QUOTE.....he said

^{"Off The Wall" only sold five million copies worldwide during promotion. It was not until the mid 1990's that it had been recertified at selling 15 million copies worldwide. By the time Michael Jackson had passed away in 2009 only then were the worldwide sales at twenty million which is what it is at this time."}

5 million copies?....is this what is has all come down to....lying to uphold the original lie....this guy was pulling at straws in an attempt to discredit the fact Quincy Jones played a vital role in shaping Michael's musical presentation as he embarked on his solo career and second, discredit the enormous support Michael received back in the day when he released that album, a support who served as the foundation for Michael to achieve global superstardom......

and want to know what this guy pulled straws out the hat w/this bogus claim, because BAD 25 is not receiving the level of support he thought it would be.....this is when you have to tear everything else down to build one's case....the madness never ends.....

I wish one person would come on tv or radio and break this stuff down the way it needs to be broken down.....just for once.....

during the time of its initial run from 1979-1981...Off The Wall realized a landmark achievement in that this album was the largest selling record by any black artist ever.........this album sold waaaaaaay more than 5 million copies worldwide.....

this was an egregious lie, one of the worst ones I've seen yet.......

what's unfortunate about all of this, the new generation coming up who are off into music, who or off into Michael Jackson's entire career, most will be misled to believe this

[Edited 9/26/12 19:25pm]

I swear man anytime you bring up the name Jackson the spark ignites.

The article was a Q&A with Quincy. Yet the holier than thou orgers want

to have a seperate forum for gossip and music when they pretty much

go hand in hand. That's why i called bullshit on it yesterday.

phunkdaddy said:

I swear man anytime you bring up the name Jackson the spark ignites.

The article was a Q&A with Quincy. Yet the holier than thou orgers want

to have a seperate forum for gossip and music when they pretty much

go hand in hand. That's why i called bullshit on it yesterday.

Thats because we got mutherfuckers pressed as shit on trashing Michael Jackson and making every damn thread about him

While I don't agree with the things Quincy has said in the past couple of years, I don't see anything wrong with what he said in this interview

There's no reason to argue about the chemistry of that team from 1979-1987. The team of Michael, Quincy, Bruce with the inclusion of Rod was unbeatable. That's one of the greatest 3 album runs in history.

At the same time, Michael made the right choice to move on. He wanted...no, had to prove he could be successful without Quincy. If you feel there's nowhere else to go and you need to find a way to express your creativity better, then it's time to go seperate ways

Didn't Quincy say he had to take a step back and breathe? He also said he didn't reclaim control of his life until '90 if I'm not mistaken. With the pressure of Thriller, We Are The World, Color Purple, Bad, and personal issues such his marriage to Peggy Lipton ending, it was a constant train ride for him so for them to end the partnership at the time, it was right. It was good for Quincy to move on also

Not only that, Michael wanted more control, which is understandable. Still he was a bit of a control freak during that time and that could work as a positive and a negative. He rejected songs submitted for Bad, he worked on the songs at Hayvenhurst to the point where by the time he brought them to Westlake, they were practically done, and he was stubborn at times

IMO, there was no where else for the team to go

As for why Michael never produced a full album himself, he seemed to encourage collaboration, whether it was with Teddy, Bill Bottrell, Dallas Austin, Jam And Lewis, David Foster...etc Some artists thrive on working with others and prefer having a second ear in the studio. Not everyone wants to do everything. Doesn't make them any less of an artists IMO, they just have different methods.

They've both had their blunders. Michael had some stinkers on Invincble and his decision to include those awful remixes on Thriller 25 was a TERRIBLE one that fans still are pissed about. Quincy's last album, that Bossa Nova one was straight assjuice

bboy87 said:

While I don't agree with the things Quincy has said in the past couple of years, I don't see anything wrong with what he said in this interview

There's no reason to argue about the chemistry of that team from 1979-1987. The team of Michael, Quincy, Bruce with the inclusion of Rod was unbeatable. That's one of the greatest 3 album runs in history.

At the same time, Michael made the right choice to move on. He wanted...no, had to prove he could be successful without Quincy. If you feel there's nowhere else to go and you need to find a way to express your creativity better, then it's time to go seperate ways

Didn't Quincy say he had to take a step back and breathe? He also said he didn't reclaim control of his life until '90 if I'm not mistaken. With the pressure of Thriller, We Are The World, Color Purple, Bad, and personal issues such his marriage to Peggy Lipton ending, it was a constant train ride for him so for them to end the partnership at the time, it was right. It was good for Quincy to move on also

Not only that, Michael wanted more control, which is understandable. Still he was a bit of a control freak during that time and that could work as a positive and a negative. He rejected songs submitted for Bad, he worked on the songs at Hayvenhurst to the point where by the time he brought them to Westlake, they were practically done, and he was stubborn at times

IMO, there was no where else for the team to go

As for why Michael never produced a full album himself, he seemed to encourage collaboration, whether it was with Teddy, Bill Bottrell, Dallas Austin, Jam And Lewis, David Foster...etc Some artists thrive on working with others and prefer having a second ear in the studio. Not everyone wants to do everything. Doesn't make them any less of an artists IMO, they just have different methods.

They've both had their blunders. Michael had some stinkers on Invincble and his decision to include those awful remixes on Thriller 25 was a TERRIBLE one that fans still are pissed about. Quincy's last album, that Bossa Nova one was straight assjuice

Great Post, I think MJ being a perfectionist worked against him somewhat, I also believe Q was very grounded during the 80s but as with most people as his star shone his ego inflated, doesn't deter from the fact that both men are/were incredibly talented in their fields and dynamite together.

bboy87 said:

While I don't agree with the things Quincy has said in the past couple of years, I don't see anything wrong with what he said in this interview

There's no reason to argue about the chemistry of that team from 1979-1987. The team of Michael, Quincy, Bruce with the inclusion of Rod was unbeatable. That's one of the greatest 3 album runs in history.

At the same time, Michael made the right choice to move on. He wanted...no, had to prove he could be successful without Quincy. If you feel there's nowhere else to go and you need to find a way to express your creativity better, then it's time to go seperate ways

Didn't Quincy say he had to take a step back and breathe? He also said he didn't reclaim control of his life until '90 if I'm not mistaken. With the pressure of Thriller, We Are The World, Color Purple, Bad, and personal issues such his marriage to Peggy Lipton ending, it was a constant train ride for him so for them to end the partnership at the time, it was right. It was good for Quincy to move on also

Not only that, Michael wanted more control, which is understandable. Still he was a bit of a control freak during that time and that could work as a positive and a negative. He rejected songs submitted for Bad, he worked on the songs at Hayvenhurst to the point where by the time he brought them to Westlake, they were practically done, and he was stubborn at times

IMO, there was no where else for the team to go

As for why Michael never produced a full album himself, he seemed to encourage collaboration, whether it was with Teddy, Bill Bottrell, Dallas Austin, Jam And Lewis, David Foster...etc Some artists thrive on working with others and prefer having a second ear in the studio. Not everyone wants to do everything. Doesn't make them any less of an artists IMO, they just have different methods.

They've both had their blunders. Michael had some stinkers on Dangerous, HIStory, Invincble and his decision to include those awful remixes on Thriller 25 was a TERRIBLE one that fans still are pissed about. All of Quincy's last albums post "Bad" was straight assjuice

Fixed it for ya.

I remember those outrageous comments that Quincy made about MJ right after his death.He implied that Michael didn't want to be black."Look at his children",Jones said.The irony is that Quincy was married to a white woman and his own children are half-White

bboy87 said:

While I don't agree with the things Quincy has said in the past couple of years, I don't see anything wrong with what he said in this interview

There's no reason to argue about the chemistry of that team from 1979-1987. The team of Michael, Quincy, Bruce with the inclusion of Rod was unbeatable. That's one of the greatest 3 album runs in history.

At the same time, Michael made the right choice to move on. He wanted...no, had to prove he could be successful without Quincy. If you feel there's nowhere else to go and you need to find a way to express your creativity better, then it's time to go seperate ways

Didn't Quincy say he had to take a step back and breathe? He also said he didn't reclaim control of his life until '90 if I'm not mistaken. With the pressure of Thriller, We Are The World, Color Purple, Bad, and personal issues such his marriage to Peggy Lipton ending, it was a constant train ride for him so for them to end the partnership at the time, it was right. It was good for Quincy to move on also

Not only that, Michael wanted more control, which is understandable. Still he was a bit of a control freak during that time and that could work as a positive and a negative. He rejected songs submitted for Bad, he worked on the songs at Hayvenhurst to the point where by the time he brought them to Westlake, they were practically done, and he was stubborn at times

IMO, there was no where else for the team to go

As for why Michael never produced a full album himself, he seemed to encourage collaboration, whether it was with Teddy, Bill Bottrell, Dallas Austin, Jam And Lewis, David Foster...etc Some artists thrive on working with others and prefer having a second ear in the studio. Not everyone wants to do everything. Doesn't make them any less of an artists IMO, they just have different methods.

They've both had their blunders. Michael had some stinkers on Invincble and his decision to include those awful remixes on Thriller 25 was a TERRIBLE one that fans still are pissed about. Quincy's last album, that Bossa Nova one was straight assjuice

I feel this is the reason why Janet stop working with JJ & TL. She wanted to prove she can be successful musically without them...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

bboy87 said:

While I don't agree with the things Quincy has said in the past couple of years, I don't see anything wrong with what he said in this interview

There's no reason to argue about the chemistry of that team from 1979-1987. The team of Michael, Quincy, Bruce with the inclusion of Rod was unbeatable. That's one of the greatest 3 album runs in history.

At the same time, Michael made the right choice to move on. He wanted...no, had to prove he could be successful without Quincy. If you feel there's nowhere else to go and you need to find a way to express your creativity better, then it's time to go seperate ways

Didn't Quincy say he had to take a step back and breathe? He also said he didn't reclaim control of his life until '90 if I'm not mistaken. With the pressure of Thriller, We Are The World, Color Purple, Bad, and personal issues such his marriage to Peggy Lipton ending, it was a constant train ride for him so for them to end the partnership at the time, it was right. It was good for Quincy to move on also

Not only that, Michael wanted more control, which is understandable. Still he was a bit of a control freak during that time and that could work as a positive and a negative. He rejected songs submitted for Bad, he worked on the songs at Hayvenhurst to the point where by the time he brought them to Westlake, they were practically done, and he was stubborn at times

IMO, there was no where else for the team to go

As for why Michael never produced a full album himself, he seemed to encourage collaboration, whether it was with Teddy, Bill Bottrell, Dallas Austin, Jam And Lewis, David Foster...etc Some artists thrive on working with others and prefer having a second ear in the studio. Not everyone wants to do everything. Doesn't make them any less of an artists IMO, they just have different methods.

They've both had their blunders. Michael had some stinkers on Invincble and his decision to include those awful remixes on Thriller 25 was a TERRIBLE one that fans still are pissed about. Quincy's last album, that Bossa Nova one was straight assjuice

I feel this is the reason why Janet stop working with JJ & TL. She wanted to prove she can be successful musically without them...

How did that work out 4 her?

bboy87 said:

While I don't agree with the things Quincy has said in the past couple of years, I don't see anything wrong with what he said in this interview

There's no reason to argue about the chemistry of that team from 1979-1987. The team of Michael, Quincy, Bruce with the inclusion of Rod was unbeatable. That's one of the greatest 3 album runs in history.

At the same time, Michael made the right choice to move on. He wanted...no, had to prove he could be successful without Quincy. If you feel there's nowhere else to go and you need to find a way to express your creativity better, then it's time to go seperate ways

Didn't Quincy say he had to take a step back and breathe? He also said he didn't reclaim control of his life until '90 if I'm not mistaken. With the pressure of Thriller, We Are The World, Color Purple, Bad, and personal issues such his marriage to Peggy Lipton ending, it was a constant train ride for him so for them to end the partnership at the time, it was right. It was good for Quincy to move on also

Not only that, Michael wanted more control, which is understandable. Still he was a bit of a control freak during that time and that could work as a positive and a negative. He rejected songs submitted for Bad, he worked on the songs at Hayvenhurst to the point where by the time he brought them to Westlake, they were practically done, and he was stubborn at times

IMO, there was no where else for the team to go

As for why Michael never produced a full album himself, he seemed to encourage collaboration, whether it was with Teddy, Bill Bottrell, Dallas Austin, Jam And Lewis, David Foster...etc Some artists thrive on working with others and prefer having a second ear in the studio. Not everyone wants to do everything. Doesn't make them any less of an artists IMO, they just have different methods.

They've both had their blunders. Michael had some stinkers on Invincble and his decision to include those awful remixes on Thriller 25 was a TERRIBLE one that fans still are pissed about. Quincy's last album, that Bossa Nova one was straight assjuice

That's what I've said many times before, but since this is a Prince forum, many seem to expect that one needs to produce an album all by themselves. Producing an album by yourself doesn't mean nothing in my opinion.

GoldDolphin said:

bboy87 said:

While I don't agree with the things Quincy has said in the past couple of years, I don't see anything wrong with what he said in this interview

There's no reason to argue about the chemistry of that team from 1979-1987. The team of Michael, Quincy, Bruce with the inclusion of Rod was unbeatable. That's one of the greatest 3 album runs in history.

At the same time, Michael made the right choice to move on. He wanted...no, had to prove he could be successful without Quincy. If you feel there's nowhere else to go and you need to find a way to express your creativity better, then it's time to go seperate ways

Didn't Quincy say he had to take a step back and breathe? He also said he didn't reclaim control of his life until '90 if I'm not mistaken. With the pressure of Thriller, We Are The World, Color Purple, Bad, and personal issues such his marriage to Peggy Lipton ending, it was a constant train ride for him so for them to end the partnership at the time, it was right. It was good for Quincy to move on also

Not only that, Michael wanted more control, which is understandable. Still he was a bit of a control freak during that time and that could work as a positive and a negative. He rejected songs submitted for Bad, he worked on the songs at Hayvenhurst to the point where by the time he brought them to Westlake, they were practically done, and he was stubborn at times

IMO, there was no where else for the team to go

As for why Michael never produced a full album himself, he seemed to encourage collaboration, whether it was with Teddy, Bill Bottrell, Dallas Austin, Jam And Lewis, David Foster...etc Some artists thrive on working with others and prefer having a second ear in the studio. Not everyone wants to do everything. Doesn't make them any less of an artists IMO, they just have different methods.

They've both had their blunders. Michael had some stinkers on Invincble and his decision to include those awful remixes on Thriller 25 was a TERRIBLE one that fans still are pissed about. Quincy's last album, that Bossa Nova one was straight assjuice

That's what I've said many times before, but since this is a Prince forum, many seem to expect that one needs to produce an album all by themselves. Producing an album by yourself doesn't mean nothing in my opinion.

Ohh lawrd..............

I guess playing instruments don't impress u either?

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SoulAlive said:

I remember those outrageous comments that Quincy made about MJ right after his death.He implied that Michael didn't want to be black."Look at his children",Jones said.The irony is that Quincy was married to a white woman and his own children are half-White

I know, he's so stupid for doing that. MJ had vitiligo and it was proven with the autopsy and Jones kids have the same complexion Mike's kid have. Rashida Jones has the same complexion like Paris. So he's crazy and has self-hatred issues.

Graycap23 said:

GoldDolphin said:

That's what I've said many times before, but since this is a Prince forum, many seem to expect that one needs to produce an album all by themselves. Producing an album by yourself doesn't mean nothing in my opinion.

Ohh lawrd..............

It's just my opinion, everyone's entitled to one. I'm a musician and I have another type of approach to it all, I'm not taking away nothing from artists who produce their own stuff. I produce most my stuff anyways , but it's just that I strongly believe music is a colloborative thing, it's unites people and it's played with others. It's a good thing to produce everything, but personally to me it's not everything.

GoldDolphin said:

Graycap23 said:

Ohh lawrd..............

It's just my opinion, everyone's entitled to one. I'm a musician and I have another type of approach to it all, I'm not taking away nothing from artists who produce their own stuff. I produce most my stuff anyways , but it's just that I strongly believe music is a colloborative thing, it's unites people and it's played with others. It's a good thing to produce everything, but personally to me it's not everything.

Then u know it is something...............

Graycap23 said:

GoldDolphin said:

It's just my opinion, everyone's entitled to one. I'm a musician and I have another type of approach to it all, I'm not taking away nothing from artists who produce their own stuff. I produce most my stuff anyways , but it's just that I strongly believe music is a colloborative thing, it's unites people and it's played with others. It's a good thing to produce everything, but personally to me it's not everything.

Then u know it is something...............

You know why though? Because I'm a control freak , it's one of the few things in my life that I know I can control. But this isnt about me, that was just my opinion ....

Graycap23 said:

GoldDolphin said:

That's what I've said many times before, but since this is a Prince forum, many seem to expect that one needs to produce an album all by themselves. Producing an album by yourself doesn't mean nothing in my opinion.

Ohh lawrd..............

I guess playing instruments don't impress u either?

[Edited 9/27/12 8:06am]

An artist can play 9 instruments it doesnt necessarily mean their MUSIC and what they create is good or quality.

So people are suppose to like musicians MUSIC ONLY because they can play an instrument?

Seems rather snobbish if you ask me.

That doesnt mean what they make is good or their music.

mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

Ohh lawrd..............

I guess playing instruments don't impress u either?

[Edited 9/27/12 8:06am]

An artist can play 9 instruments it doesnt necessarily mean their MUSIC and what they create is good or quality.

So people are suppose to like musicians MUSIC ONLY because they can play an instrument?

Seems rather snobbish if you ask me.

That doesnt mean what they make is good or their music.

Why would I or anyone be discussing the musicians that don't make "good" music?

That comment can be applied 2 any walk of life.