SoulAlive said:

In 1986/87,didn't Michael record a song with Run DMC called "Crack Kills",intended for the Bad album? this would contradict Quincy's comments about MJ saying that rap was dead.

Unfinished demo only I think?

Certainly wasn't on "bad 25" LOL.

yeah,it was left off the album

thesexofit said:

SoulAlive said:

In 1986/87,didn't Michael record a song with Run DMC called "Crack Kills",intended for the Bad album? this would contradict Quincy's comments about MJ saying that rap was dead.

Unfinished demo only I think?

Certainly wasn't on "bad 25" LOL.

SoulAlive said:

In 1986/87,didn't Michael record a song with Run DMC called "Crack Kills",intended for the Bad album? this would contradict Quincy's comments about MJ saying that rap was dead.

Yes he did

Which is why I just at any of his comments

I was waiting on the interviewer to ask him what kind of mind-altering drugs was he on when he decided to release this monstrosity?

kitbradley said:

I was waiting on the interviewer to ask him what kind of mind-altering drugs was he on when he decided to release this monstrosity?

Ouch.

if quicy jones is producing michael records, why is mike getting co credit production? q brought in the the writers, the musicians, the artist, he did the arragement, he picked the best song out of the whole batch. the only thing mike was come in and sing and make certain suggestions. this was the period when he was acting like a big star and trying to con q out of his share of his contribution. he did the same shit to teddy riley.

jackson35 said:

if quicy jones is producing michael records, why is mike getting co credit production? q brought in the the writers, the musicians, the artist, he did the arragement, he picked the best song out of the whole batch. the only thing mike was come in and sing and make certain suggestions. this was the period when he was acting like a big star and trying to con q out of his share of his contribution. he did the same shit to teddy riley.

I think Mike only gets co-production credits on the songs he wrote when working with Quincy? I presume this was because Mike demo'd them for Quincy and Q took them to the next level. I think a co-producing credit is fair. And Mike often had the arrangments in his head and literally beatboxed them to the dozens of session musicians. Again, Quincy chose the musicians and manned the boards, but Mike was often very much involved too i feel? But who knows really?

As for the post Quincy stuff, it gets even less clear. Songs like "whatever happens" is a classic modern example of how writing a line or 2 of a song gets you a songwriting credit. But its a business and if you demo a song for a star and they only make minimal changes just to get their credit, you would except it too. It sucks but it happens. Managers force producers/songwriters for songwriting credits for their star clients aswell etc....

To think if Prince & Q ever got together on an album back in the day. With Prince's mega talent as Producer.writer,arranger,composer,singer. I wonder how would have that worked out...

HotGritz said:

Your daughter Kidada was engaged to Tupac Shakur when he was killed. How does a father react to a potential son-in-law with such a dangerous reputation?

I wasn’t happy at first. He’d attacked me for having all these white wives. And my daughter Rashida, who was at Harvard, wrote a letter to The Source taking him apart.

I remember one night I was dropping Rashida at Jerry’s delicatessen, and Tupac was talking to Kidada because he was falling in love with her then. Like an idiot, I went over to him, put two arms on his shoulders and said, “Pac, we gotta sit down and talk, man.” If he had had a gun, I would’ve been done. But we talked. He apologized. We became very close after that. Once, I was having a date at the Hotel Bel-Air, and he came by and told the waiter that he would be back, he was going home to put on a tie.

Do you know about that conspiracy theory that says you ordered the hit on Tupac?

I know. The people who say I wanted to have sex with him. Man, this is the biggest age of haters I have ever seen in my life . I’ve been called a blonde-lover , a pedophile, gay, everything. I don’t care, man. Imagine my daughter being engaged to Tupac and me trying to make love to him? And I’m not into no men, man. I’m a hard-core lesbian. Are you kidding? All my life, all my life.

I mean dayum...Pac said on TAPE that Quincy wanted him to fuck him in the ass and its is widely known that Q have sex parties at his mansion that put he playboy mansion to shame. Allegedly, when Katt Williams did his infamous standup at ATL Civic Center (2006?) talking about hollyweird sex parties, he was talking about a night at Q's crib.

Bingo.

jackson35 said:

if quicy jones is producing michael records, why is mike getting co credit production? q brought in the the writers, the musicians, the artist, he did the arragement, he picked the best song out of the whole batch. the only thing mike was come in and sing and make certain suggestions. this was the period when he was acting like a big star and trying to con q out of his share of his contribution. he did the same shit to teddy riley.

Oh that is BULLSHIT.... Michael wrote 97 percent of BAD.. 50 perfect of Off The Wall and Thriller and produced half of the songs and most of the production on BAD. Q wanted to take ALL the credit.

[Edited 9/25/12 19:12pm]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

To think if Prince & Q ever got together on an album back in the day. With Prince's mega talent as Producer.writer,arranger,composer,singer. I wonder how would have that worked out...

No need 2 wonder........Prince did his OWN. Case closed.

mjscarousal said:

jackson35 said:

if quicy jones is producing michael records, why is mike getting co credit production? q brought in the the writers, the musicians, the artist, he did the arragement, he picked the best song out of the whole batch. the only thing mike was come in and sing and make certain suggestions. this was the period when he was acting like a big star and trying to con q out of his share of his contribution. he did the same shit to teddy riley.

Oh that is BULLSHIT.... Michael wrote 97 percent of BAD.. 50 perfect of Off The Wall and Thriller and produced half of the songs and most of the production on BAD. Q wanted to take ALL the credit.

[Edited 9/25/12 19:12pm]

Quincy Jones has never tried to take all the credit.......

that's the lie the majority of MJ fans love to dish out because they don't want to admit the most successful stage of Michael's career was when he was teaming up w/Quincy.

there's always pretense, always an angle when these type of assertiosn are made

he's always mentioned how they made HISTORY together.....especially moments leading up the the 84 Grammys.......that moment when they stood on stage together to reap all those awards was arguably the most

and he gave bird's eye view to the manner of which their music was crafted..especially THRILLER

Q has historically said throughout the duration of his illustrious career, as he started off arranging music for many of the great jazz contemporaries.....he said that a great album is NEVER the byproduct of one person, that it takes a collective effort......

he has consistently said that throughout the years.......

nobody is beyond that to where they can do it by themselves..

as Quincy alluded to in his autobiography...........the world misunderstands the real reasons for Michael's himself, even Michael Jackson himself

because after achieving what would prove to be the pinnacle of Michael's career, he responded to it by concluding his success happened despite of his blackness when in fact, it was BECAUSE he was black.....

which led him to move beyond his natural being and blow it off the racks, which led him to seek full scale pop distinction, which has led to a discord, which has led to a total distortion of what's true and what's not

because when this stuff meant something, the world responded to their collaboration w/the respect that it deserved, but now since culture has been stripped from the equation, tha'ts no longer the case....

and that's why Q is pissed and appears BITTER (when bitter is not the accurate description), because what they accomplished together is being thrown right down the toilet, and all the history associated with it.....

becuase what he's really saying is that no other producer Michael ever worked with understood the essence of his talent lilke he did, as they worked on 3 albums together...back to back to back, whereas Teddy Riley produced an entire album w/Michael only once, and same with Rodney Jerkins....

oh by the way, the truth will come out about this one day

Guess who recommended Michael contact Teddy to consider having him produced his album that would come to be known as DANGEROUS, when Quincy found out Mike was looking to work w/someone else?

none other than Quincy Jones himslelf. Me personally, I never had a problem with Michael working w/another producer...not because I thought Quincy was too old or that he wasn't in touch, but because there was really nothing else to prove when the point was already proven.....

and for all this talk about being senile and old, if we're all fortunate to hit that mark, we're going to be old one day too.......

this is why China is in position to take over the world, because the country as a whole doesn't mock their elders.....

[Edited 9/25/12 20:03pm]

thesexofit said:

jackson35 said:

if quicy jones is producing michael records, why is mike getting co credit production? q brought in the the writers, the musicians, the artist, he did the arragement, he picked the best song out of the whole batch. the only thing mike was come in and sing and make certain suggestions. this was the period when he was acting like a big star and trying to con q out of his share of his contribution. he did the same shit to teddy riley.

I think Mike only gets co-production credits on the songs he wrote when working with Quincy? I presume this was because Mike demo'd them for Quincy and Q took them to the next level. I think a co-producing credit is fair. And Mike often had the arrangments in his head and literally beatboxed them to the dozens of session musicians. Again, Quincy chose the musicians and manned the boards, but Mike was often very much involved too i feel? But who knows really?

As for the post Quincy stuff, it gets even less clear. Songs like "whatever happens" is a classic modern example of how writing a line or 2 of a song gets you a songwriting credit. But its a business and if you demo a song for a star and they only make minimal changes just to get their credit, you would except it too. It sucks but it happens. Managers force producers/songwriters for songwriting credits for their star clients aswell etc....

THIS, THIS, and THIS! I find it amazing the views people have about what actually constitutes as record production, and most of this has to do with what Stevie and Prince did and all the one-man-band producer types that they both inspired. Not throwing shade, just tuly amazed.

It really could be "argued" that every single engineer should get producer credits also, so add Bruce Swedien's name to the credit also. It could be "argued" that Rod Temperton produced OTW and Thriller also. It could be "argued" that Greg Philliganes produced Destiny and Triumph.

Amazing.

Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

Oh that is BULLSHIT.... Michael wrote 97 percent of BAD.. 50 perfect of Off The Wall and Thriller and produced half of the songs and most of the production on BAD. Q wanted to take ALL the credit.

[Edited 9/25/12 19:12pm]

Quincy Jones has never tried to take all the credit.......

that's the lie the majority of MJ fans love to dish out because they don't want to admit the most successful stage of Michael's career was when he was teaming up w/Quincy.

there's always pretense, always an angle when these type of assertiosn are made

he's always mentioned how they made HISTORY together.....especially moments leading up the the 84 Grammys.......that moment when they stood on stage together to reap all those awards was arguably the most

and he gave bird's eye view to the manner of which their music was crafted..especially THRILLER

Q has historically said throughout the duration of his illustrious career, as he started off arranging music for many of the great jazz contemporaries.....he said that a great album is NEVER the byproduct of one person, that it takes a collective effort......

he has consistently said that throughout the years.......

nobody is beyond that to where they can do it by themselves..

as Quincy alluded to in his autobiography...........the world misunderstands the real reasons for Michael's himself, even Michael Jackson himself

because after achieving what would prove to be the pinnacle of Michael's career, he responded to it by concluding his success happened despite of his blackness when in fact, it was BECAUSE he was black.....

which led him to move beyond his natural being and blow it off the racks, which led him to seek full scale pop distinction, which has led to a discord, which has led to a total distortion of what's true and what's not

because when this stuff meant something, the world responded to their collaboration w/the respect that it deserved, but now since culture has been stripped from the equation, tha'ts no longer the case....

and that's why Q is pissed and appears BITTER (when bitter is not the accurate description), because what they accomplished together is being thrown right down the toilet, and all the history associated with it.....

becuase what he's really saying is that no other producer Michael ever worked with understood the essence of his talent lilke he did, as they worked on 3 albums together...back to back to back, whereas Teddy Riley produced an entire album w/Michael only once, and same with Rodney Jerkins....

oh by the way, the truth will come out about this one day

Guess who recommended Michael contact Teddy to consider having him produced his album that would come to be known as DANGEROUS?

none other than Quincy Jones himslef

and for all this talk about being senile and old, if we're all fortunate to hit that mark, we're going to be old one day too.......

this is why China is in position to take over the world, because the country as a whole doesn't mock their elders.....

I find it funny that you came into this thread just to go out of your way to bash Michael but seem to not find issue with Q's hyprocritical remarks on Michael.

mjscarousal said:

Scorp said:

Quincy Jones has never tried to take all the credit.......

that's the lie the majority of MJ fans love to dish out because they don't want to admit the most successful stage of Michael's career was when he was teaming up w/Quincy.

there's always pretense, always an angle when these type of assertiosn are made

he's always mentioned how they made HISTORY together.....especially moments leading up the the 84 Grammys.......that moment when they stood on stage together to reap all those awards was arguably the most

and he gave bird's eye view to the manner of which their music was crafted..especially THRILLER

Q has historically said throughout the duration of his illustrious career, as he started off arranging music for many of the great jazz contemporaries.....he said that a great album is NEVER the byproduct of one person, that it takes a collective effort......

he has consistently said that throughout the years.......

nobody is beyond that to where they can do it by themselves..

as Quincy alluded to in his autobiography...........the world misunderstands the real reasons for Michael's himself, even Michael Jackson himself

because after achieving what would prove to be the pinnacle of Michael's career, he responded to it by concluding his success happened despite of his blackness when in fact, it was BECAUSE he was black.....

which led him to move beyond his natural being and blow it off the racks, which led him to seek full scale pop distinction, which has led to a discord, which has led to a total distortion of what's true and what's not

because when this stuff meant something, the world responded to their collaboration w/the respect that it deserved, but now since culture has been stripped from the equation, tha'ts no longer the case....

and that's why Q is pissed and appears BITTER (when bitter is not the accurate description), because what they accomplished together is being thrown right down the toilet, and all the history associated with it.....

becuase what he's really saying is that no other producer Michael ever worked with understood the essence of his talent lilke he did, as they worked on 3 albums together...back to back to back, whereas Teddy Riley produced an entire album w/Michael only once, and same with Rodney Jerkins....

oh by the way, the truth will come out about this one day

Guess who recommended Michael contact Teddy to consider having him produced his album that would come to be known as DANGEROUS?

none other than Quincy Jones himslef

and for all this talk about being senile and old, if we're all fortunate to hit that mark, we're going to be old one day too.......

this is why China is in position to take over the world, because the country as a whole doesn't mock their elders.....

I find it funny that you came into this thread just to go out of your way to bash Michael but seem to not find issue with Q's hyprocritical remarks on Michael.

that's because he didn't say anything hypocrital because he's not the enemy

there is no enemy because the real enemy is the lie itself....

because the original lie that started in 1987 has led most of his current following to believe Quincy was trying to hog all the credit when that was never the case,

because as soon as they went their seperate ways in 1989, Quincy went about the Business of producing his own album BACK ON THE BLACK.....

an album that Quincy asked Michael to perform on one of the songs for, but Michael declined because he didn't want to be associated with culture as much as he did w/maintaining commercial appeal.......

[Edited 9/25/12 20:07pm]

Quincy Jones reportedly put up a sign on the door for the We are the world recording stating, 'leave your egos at the door'. Seems like Quincy has the biggest ego of the lot.

Its always irked me that Hardly any producers out there ever claim to be the 'genius' behind the music but Q seems to think the Michael Jackson 80s years were mainly about him.

I am not sure how many other producers in the world I have ever heard of at all really, they generally stay in the background like the other studio guys, but Quincy has successfully managed to convince the world that he is the brains of it all, yet you have to wonder apart from the one concept album after 'Bad' that did well critically (but nothing major sales wise) he's done nothing major since really, considering his greatness, so maybe Michael Jackson offloaded him at just about the right time.

And Q claiming he knew Rap was going to be the next big thing is not a thing I believe to be too proud of, considering the culture it's managed to fester due to its popularity but thats another argument altogether.

Mj is the one that wanted Quincy in the first place to produce his first album OTW, even though Epic didn't want him.. I don't blame MJ after hearing the music to The Wiz. Which I was always in awe of. Even though the movie flopped. The music was mezmerizing to me at the time. Also his work with The Brother's Johnson & later his album "The Dude" was nothing I ever heard of before. Quincy does deserve the credit for Thriller & Bad. Mj even though I think he was a brilliant artist. He could never produce a whole album by himself he wasn't that gifted enough like Prince.Not to take away from his talent. So to me Quincy deserves just as much credit.As good as MJ's post albums we're. They never measured up to Thriller & Bad. Even though I really enjoyed "History" more so.

Quincy made producers more popular & had the right to have an ego about being the producer of the biggest selling album in history...

jackson35 said:

if quicy jones is producing michael records, why is mike getting co credit production? q brought in the the writers, the musicians, the artist, he did the arragement, he picked the best song out of the whole batch. the only thing mike was come in and sing and make certain suggestions. this was the period when he was acting like a big star and trying to con q out of his share of his contribution. he did the same shit to teddy riley.

No,I think Michael was alot more involved in those albums than you realize.In some cases,he wrote and recorded demos of certain songs before he even went into the studio with Quincy.I'm sure that you are familiar with the "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" and "Billie Jean" demos...recorded by Michael on his own.And as someone pointed out,Michael wrote all but two songs on 'Bad'.He definitely wasn't a "puppet"-type artist who just walks into a recording studio and sings matrial that is handed to him.

jackson35 said:

quincy jones...picked the best songs out of the whole batch. the only thing mike was come in and sing and make certain suggestions.

Actually,Quincy wasn't too fond of "Billie Jean" and tried to have Michael remove it from the album.It was Michael who fought to keep it on the album Quincy is a genuis,no doubt,but let's not act as if he always made the right decisions.

Howling at the moon is a very entertaining read.

SoulAlive said:

Harlepolis said:

Whats the title of the book?

Te music industry’s most outspoken, outrageous, and phenomenally successful executive delivers a rollicking memoir of pop music’s heyday.

During the 1970s and '80s the music business was dominated by a few major labels and artists such as Michael Jackson, Bruce Springsteen, the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Billy Joel, Paul Simon, Barbra Streisand and James Taylor. They were all under contract to CBS Records, making it the most successful label of the era. And, as the company’s president, Walter Yetnikoff was the ruling monarch. He was also the most flamboyant, volatile and controversial personality to emerge from an industry and era defined by sex, drugs and debauchery.
Having risen from working-class Brooklyn and the legal department of CBS, Yetnikoff, who freely admitted to being tone deaf, was an unlikely label head. But he had an uncanny knack for fostering talent and intimidating rivals with his appalling behavior—usually fueled by an explosive combination of cocaine and alcohol. His tantrums, appetite for mind-altering substances and sexual exploits were legendary. In Japan to meet the Sony executives who acquired CBS during his tenure, Walter was assigned a minder who confined him to a hotel room. True to form, Walter raided the minibar, got blasted and, seeing no other means of escape, opened a hotel window and vented his rage by literally howling at the moon.
In Howling at the Moon, Yetnikoff traces his journey as he climbed the corporate mountain, danced on its summit and crashed and burned. We see how Walter became the father-confessor to Michael Jackson as the King of Pop reconstructed his face and agonized over his image while constructing Thriller (and how, after it won seven Grammies, Jackson made the preposterous demand that Walter take producer Quincy Jones’s name off the album); we see Walter, in maniacal pursuit of a contract, chase the Rolling Stones around the world and nearly come to blows with Mick Jagger in the process; we get the tale of how Walter and Marvin Gaye—fresh from the success of “Sexual Healing”—share the same woman, and of how Walter bonds with Bob Dylan because of their mutual Jewishness. At the same time we witness Yetnikoff’s clashes with Barry Diller, David Geffen, Tommy Mottola, Allen Grubman and a host of others. Seemingly, the more Yetnikoff feeds his cravings for power, sex, liquor and cocaine, the more profitable CBS becomes—from $485 million to well over $2 billion—until he finally succumbs, ironically, not to substances, but to a corporate coup. Reflecting on the sinister cycle that left his career in tatters and CBS flush with cash, Yetnikoff emerges with a hunger for redemption and a new reverence for his working-class Brooklyn roots.
Ruthlessly candid, uproariously hilarious and compulsively readable, Howling at the Moon is a blistering You’ll Never Eat Lunch in this Town Again of the music industry.

I need to read that book It looks interesting!

SoulAlive said:

jackson35 said:

quincy jones...picked the best songs out of the whole batch. the only thing mike was come in and sing and make certain suggestions.

Actually,Quincy wasn't too fond of "Billie Jean" and tried to have Michael remove it from the album.It was Michael who fought to keep it on the album Quincy is a genuis,no doubt,but let's not act as if he always made the right decisions.

Who has?

Marrk said:

SoulAlive said:

Quincy's anti-MJ comments may have something to do with that book written by a Sony/Epic record executive awhile back.I forgot his name,but in the book,he talks about Michael Jackson during the Thriller era.At the 1984 Grammys,Quincy was set to receive the Producer of the Year Award.Michael didn't like the idea of Quincy getting that much credit."How can we change it so that I get that award instead?",Michael asked I noticed that Quincy began bashing Michael only after this book was released.

As i recall, Mike was after joint credit, not sole credit. Rightly so.

God, you guys never stop lying, do you? I read the extracts from that book and Yetnikoff was perfectly clear. MJ didn't want to share the best producer award with Quincy (even though Q produced most of Thriller without MJ's help). He thought maybe Yetnikoff could persuade the Grammy organizers to give the award solely to him and leave Quincy out in the cold. MJ was trying to shaft Quincy plain and simple. You guys really need to wake up.

You're so used to lying that I think you don't even realize you're doing it.

thesexofit said:

Emancipation89 said:

? If MJ thought rap was dead then how come he wrote songs with rap verses in them for post Bad albums ?

He changed his mind LOL. Prince changed his mind on rap aswell. Quincy apparantly suggested MJ work with Teddy so at least there is that (Teddy remixed one of tracks off Q's album).

If Michael really did change his mind, in what way did Prince change his mind on rap like Michael did? I don't want to derail the thread but as far as incorporating rap into his own music, Prince's viewpoint has always been the same - he loves it. He never had problems with rap itself, he complained about how there's not many good rappers sometimes but that's entirely different from considering the genre of rap to be "done" whether commercially or artistically. I mean I guess that's pretty obvious when most of his albums contain at least one song with rap verses in it (or at least rap-spoken vocals such as "Happiness in it's uncut form is the feelin' that I get, you're warm, warm") since, well, Parade lol.

SoulAlive said:

In 1986/87,didn't Michael record a song with Run DMC called "Crack Kills",intended for the Bad album? this would contradict Quincy's comments about MJ saying that rap was dead.

No, it wouldn't. MJ dumped Q some time after Bad came out - so at least a year after the Run DMC thing. By then MJ probably did think that rap was over.

And I always thought if MJ had really wanted to finish that song with Run DMC he would have. Most likely, he cooled off of the idea and just let it fall away.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Mj is the one that wanted Quincy in the first place to produce his first album OTW, even though Epic didn't want him.. I don't blame MJ after hearing the music to The Wiz. Which I was always in awe of. Even though the movie flopped. The music was mezmerizing to me at the time. Also his work with The Brother's Johnson & later his album "The Dude" was nothing I ever heard of before. Quincy does deserve the credit for Thriller & Bad. Mj even though I think he was a brilliant artist. He could never produce a whole album by himself he wasn't that gifted enough like Prince.Not to take away from his talent. So to me Quincy deserves just as much credit.As good as MJ's post albums we're. They never measured up to Thriller & Bad. Even though I really enjoyed "History" more so.

Quincy made producers more popular & had the right to have an ego about being the producer of the biggest selling album in history...

I absolutely agree, you can't listen to The Dude and The Wiz and other Q productions and not hear how his stamp is all over those MJ albums as well.

And yes, there's a reason Ai No Corrida is not as big as Billie Jean, so nobody's trying to take away from michael

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Mj is the one that wanted Quincy in the first place to produce his first album OTW, even though Epic didn't want him.. I don't blame MJ after hearing the music to The Wiz. Which I was always in awe of. Even though the movie flopped. The music was mezmerizing to me at the time. Also his work with The Brother's Johnson & later his album "The Dude" was nothing I ever heard of before. Quincy does deserve the credit for Thriller & Bad. Mj even though I think he was a brilliant artist. He could never produce a whole album by himself he wasn't that gifted enough like Prince.Not to take away from his talent. So to me Quincy deserves just as much credit.As good as MJ's post albums we're. They never measured up to Thriller & Bad. Even though I really enjoyed "History" more so.

Quincy made producers more popular & had the right to have an ego about being the producer of the biggest selling album in history...

Shut your ignorant ass dumb as up.... Michael was in the industry LONGER than Prince as produce/composed songs BY HIS SELF... Quincy Jones has an EGO problem he didnt want to give Michael credit for NOTHING. Shut the fuck up and take your Prince rants to someone who gives a shit.

mjscarousal said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Mj is the one that wanted Quincy in the first place to produce his first album OTW, even though Epic didn't want him.. I don't blame MJ after hearing the music to The Wiz. Which I was always in awe of. Even though the movie flopped. The music was mezmerizing to me at the time. Also his work with The Brother's Johnson & later his album "The Dude" was nothing I ever heard of before. Quincy does deserve the credit for Thriller & Bad. Mj even though I think he was a brilliant artist. He could never produce a whole album by himself he wasn't that gifted enough like Prince.Not to take away from his talent. So to me Quincy deserves just as much credit.As good as MJ's post albums we're. They never measured up to Thriller & Bad. Even though I really enjoyed "History" more so.

Quincy made producers more popular & had the right to have an ego about being the producer of the biggest selling album in history...

Shut your ignorant ass dumb as up.... Michael was in the industry LONGER than Prince as produce/composed songs BY HIS SELF... Quincy Jones has an EGO problem he didnt want to give Michael credit for NOTHING. Shut the fuck up and take your Prince rants to someone who gives a shit.

What albums has Mj produced by himself?

[Edited 9/26/12 10:18am]

I tell the truth call me what U want. But as long as mJ was on this earth he never produced a whole album of his by himself. Ask Quincy, Teddy Riley, Rodney Jerkins etc..I can go on & on. He was gifted & very talented. But that never happened...

NDRU said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Mj is the one that wanted Quincy in the first place to produce his first album OTW, even though Epic didn't want him.. I don't blame MJ after hearing the music to The Wiz. Which I was always in awe of. Even though the movie flopped. The music was mezmerizing to me at the time. Also his work with The Brother's Johnson & later his album "The Dude" was nothing I ever heard of before. Quincy does deserve the credit for Thriller & Bad. Mj even though I think he was a brilliant artist. He could never produce a whole album by himself he wasn't that gifted enough like Prince.Not to take away from his talent. So to me Quincy deserves just as much credit.As good as MJ's post albums we're. They never measured up to Thriller & Bad. Even though I really enjoyed "History" more so.

Quincy made producers more popular & had the right to have an ego about being the producer of the biggest selling album in history...

I absolutely agree, you can't listen to The Dude and The Wiz and other Q productions and not hear how his stamp is all over those MJ albums as well.

And yes, there's a reason Ai No Corrida is not as big as Billie Jean, so nobody's trying to take away from michael

Ai No Corrida is my jam!