mjscarousal said:

Okay my que to bounce ... this thread has turned into a MJ bash fest ONCE AGAIN because the lunatical crazy ass Janet stans are pressed and feel threatened...... why I dont know this thread is not even about Michael, not about to argue back and forth because its really nothing to argue about.

This is a Janet thread, which MJ fans have come in a ruined. Who are the threatened ones?

This ignorance and idiocy is outstanding.

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

All of Janets choregraphy isnt all spetacular and Michael had new choregraphy in his videos with people and BY HIS SELF that is recaptured everyday and influenced.

Yeah, okay

How's this for choreography

you do a video aired on prime time tv infront of a half a billion people (so much for the notion Michael rarely received promotion)

and during a take, Michael jumps on a car, gyrates himself, and his own director stops the take and asks Michael "hey, what the f*** was that" like sensible minded people were asking themselves while watching

then you crash windshields, and throw a trash can through a glass door window with KKK written on it (which was out of place), and because of the disturbing nature of what was projected

parents from all over the country write to MTV complaining about the content of the video and how it made their children react

Michael issues a public apology and then submits an edited version of the video

then weeks later, admits he created that firestorm for controversy's sake because he wanted everyone's attention

so it went from allowing your talent and music stand on its own merit, he had to resort to controversy to "sell records"...

so the album DANGEROUS already started on shaky ground when it counted

and if people are going to say that RN was a pop album, then what in the world was BAD, and DANGEROUS, and HISTORY.....those albums, ESPECIALLY for DANGEROUS was pop personified for that was the album that Michael requested that the media acknowledge him publically as "the king of pop".....

that phrase was not coined by Elizabeth Taylor like "legend" has suggested......

Janet Jackson's album wasn't POP as much as it was POPULAR....huuuge difference....

POP is not a music, it does not stand on its own, POP exist because of its need to incorporate the substance of a genre that's already been established years before through culture...

blues is exactly what it was

jazz is exactly what it was

soul is exactly what it was

r&b is exactly what it was

the origins of gospel was shaped by the spirituals and then blues

when hip-hop first started, it was what it was

all these genres can be traced back to its initial point of origin

POP has no origin, it was coined as a means of identifying distinction upheld by the establishment.....

it's so much hypocrisy

if MIKE would have made Rhythm Nation, his current fans would be fawning all over it and saying that it DID match up w/What's Going On by Marvin Gaye, wouldn't be classifying it as Pop, but because it wasn't Michael, and was someone in his family, they want to spray all over it.....hypocrisy 101

and that's why the pop ascension is so damaging, because it has done nothing but create hostility

but when Rhythm Nation was actually released, people weren't talking like that, and Janet wasn't being compared to Michael

Her name stood on its own which it always did for me..............

that brings me to another point....there was a time where the Jacksons were deemed "amerca's first family of music"....there was a reason for that, because there were so many people in the family who were musically inclined, where the efforts of all the siblings were recognized, but most of MJ current fans can't even comprehend that because the family has been nailed to the cross for the past 25 years for circumstances they had absolutely nothing to do with and have been painting as something they are not

see, the wrong people have the platform to tell this story......that's a huge part of the problem

because if the right people was given that same opportunity, all this stuff would be called out for what it is...

the fact is Janet Jackson has been blackballed by the industry because she is a victim of circumstance which makes me appriciate what she accomplished with RHYTHM NATION that much more when this stuff meant something.....

[Edited 9/23/12 12:28pm]

Azz said:

mjscarousal said:

So what do you think RN sounds like?

RN is a straight New Jack Sing 80s sounding album.... and it Still sounds that way TODAY... Not on the songs on BAD sound like that and especially not Dangerous.

That was a rhetoical question.

That was rhetoric?

RN is more diverse than Bad.

Bad could be one track, and has a fair amount of filler. The image he was trying to portray is frake, false and fraudulent

Yes it was rhetorical... the most important thing about the album is mostly the production because outside of that... the political themes were not innovative.... that was going on long before Janet was even born which is why the comparision between Marvin Gayes Whats Going On is utterly absurd not to mention Marvin Gaye wrote/composed that entire album BY HIS SELF which makes it more impressive.

BAD by itself is diverse... it doesnt consist of one particular style of song. I agree that RN is more diverse than BAD but that doesnt necessarily make it a better album and your arguement that MJ was one dimensional is complete BULLSHIT.

Oh please... the same can be argued for Janet as well as ANY artist. That image was just promoting the song on the album.

The image was not false, it showcased growth as an artist

the album was more of an edge than Thriller all together from the VOCAL singing style, different style of dancing and lyrical content. He displayed that throughout that entire album and continued throughout his career especially that particular way of singing and the edge attitude in performances.

mjscarousal said:

Okay my que to bounce ... this thread has turned into a MJ bash fest ONCE AGAIN because the lunatical crazy ass Janet stans are pressed and feel threatened...... why I dont know this thread is not even about Michael, not about to argue back and forth because its really nothing to argue about.

Thank heavens. If there's one thing you know how to do, it's to perpetrate drama. P.S., no one here is pressed but you. You who, of course, just had to bring up Janet and MJ and Captain EO, which is what began this whole mess to begin with. So, to you, I say "Buh-bye".

MOVING ON...

Rare pic from the RN mini-movie. Janet hugging actor Tyrin Turner, who would later star in "Menace II Society".

Janet and Rene posing with dancer Angel Ferreira during the filming of the "Miss You Much" segment of the RN min-movie

Janet at the RN press junket/release party

RARE Japanese Airline commercials

If you ask me, a lot of RN songs sound similar to one another cause of the drum beats and same scale, but the album flows in such a way that it doesn't stand out unlike current artists who got lazy with their song structures and so on, that's why it's a great album too. Plus all this crap about ditching Teddy Riley for Jimmy & Terry is nonsense. Michael wanted babyface before Teddy Riley, he wanted Teddy once again for HIStory, but he was busy with Blackstreet and came on board for Invincible though several of his tracks were used for BOTDF anyway. And who hadn't worked with Jimmy & Terry in the 80's and 90's? Shit, even Human League had worked with them.

I really don't see anyone here bashing janet, I mostly see MJ bashing which is rather unnecessary. And I agree with mjscarousal that MJ sang about a lot of topics including adult topics around sex, the two artists just approached it differently and it's stupid to sit up here and argue saying who did it better than the other, plus don't forget janet is a female, michael is a male, they are and they will approach it differently.

[Edited 9/23/12 12:18pm]

Azz said:

This is a Janet thread,

So know other fans of other artists can come into this thread and talk about Janet?

which MJ fans have come in a ruined.

From the looks of it, it appears most of the MJ FANS have talked about just how good and underrated the RN album was..... How has the thread been ruined by MJ fans?

Who are the threatened ones?

The Janet stans because they have turn this thread into bashing Michael Jackson and discussing why they dont like him musically

Not that I have a problem with that (because everyone is entitled to their opinion) but it appears like they are threatened that they have to bash him in this thread about JANET.

This ignorance and idiocy is outstanding.

Yes it is

mjscarousal said:

Azz said:

That was rhetoric?

RN is more diverse than Bad.

Bad could be one track, and has a fair amount of filler. The image he was trying to portray is frake, false and fraudulent

Yes it was rhetorical... the most important thing about the album is mostly the production because outside of that... the political themes were not innovative.... that was going on long before Janet was even born which is why the comparision between Marvin Gayes Whats Going On is utterly absurd not to mention Marvin Gaye wrote/composed that entire album BY HIS SELF which makes it more impressive.

BAD by itself is diverse... it doesnt consist of one particular style of song. I agree that RN is more diverse than BAD but that doesnt necessarily make it a better album and your arguement that MJ was one dimensional is complete BULLSHIT.

Oh please... the same can be argued for Janet as well as ANY artist. That image was just promoting the song on the album.

The image was not false, it showcased growth as an artist

the album was more of an edge than Thriller all together from the VOCAL singing style, different style of dancing and lyrical content. He displayed that throughout that entire album and continued throughout his career especially that particular way of singing and the edge attitude in performances.

I thought you were bouncing.

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

Okay my que to bounce ... this thread has turned into a MJ bash fest ONCE AGAIN because the lunatical crazy ass Janet stans are pressed and feel threatened...... why I dont know this thread is not even about Michael, not about to argue back and forth because its really nothing to argue about.

Thank heavens. If there's one thing you know how to do, it's to perpetrate drama. P.S., no one here is pressed but you. You who, of course, just had to bring up Janet and MJ and Captain EO, which is what began this whole mess to begin with. So, to you, I say "Buh-bye".

MOVING ON...

Rare pic from the RN mini-movie. Janet hugging actor Tyrin Turner, who would later star in "Menace II Society".

Janet and Rene posing with dancer Angel Ferreira during the filming of the "Miss You Much" segment of the RN min-movie

Janet at the RN press junket/release party

RARE Japanese Airline commercials

I just brought that up after you delusionally insisted that Michael gets everything from Janet. Dont play dumb and stupid. I have not talked about Michael this entire time I have talked about the album and how underrated Janet is ... YOU ARE FUCKIN NUTS...

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

All of Janets choregraphy isnt all spetacular and Michael had new choregraphy in his videos with people and BY HIS SELF that is recaptured everyday and influenced.

Yeah, okay

Control- Velvet Rope is her BEST choregraphy AFTER that.......... NO.

^ right?

she is just so beautiful in these rare RN pics, love the hair, makeup and most of all, the smile I used to love her janet era look the best in the 90's, but in recent years, I like the RN one best

[Edited 9/23/12 12:25pm]

RHYTHM NATION TOUR LIVE FROM TOKYO

I watched this years ago, Pleasure Principle being my favourite, I wish it was released on DVD, same with the janet. tour, those are the only 2 janet tours I have not attended and are supposed to be her best though I still put VR in my top 3 concerts ever attended

alphastreet said:

If you ask me, a lot of RN songs sound similar to one another cause of the drum beats and same scale, but the album flows in such a way that it doesn't stand out unlike current artists who got lazy with their song structures and so on, that's why it's a great album too. Plus all this crap about ditching Teddy Riley for Jimmy & Terry is nonsense. Michael wanted babyface before Teddy Riley, he wanted Teddy once again for HIStory, but he was busy with Blackstreet and came on board for Invincible though several of his tracks were used for BOTDF anyway. And who hadn't worked with Jimmy & Terry in the 80's and 90's? Shit, even Human League had worked with them.

I really don't see anyone here bashing janet, I mostly see MJ bashing which is rather unnecessary. And I agree with mjscarousal that MJ sang about a lot of topics including adult topics around sex, the two artists just approached it differently and it's stupid to sit up here and argue saying who did it better than the other, plus don't forget janet is a female, michael is a male, they are and they will approach it differently.

[Edited 9/23/12 12:18pm]

I agree with all that you have said

Some songs on the RN do sound the same and sound very dated for a technically 90s album.

This thread has pretty much made evident that the Janet fans here do not know how to be maturely objective when it comes down to JANET and constantly bash her brother because they feel threatened.

Nobody in here has personally insulted Janet or attacked the album for all this bashing...Everybody for the most part has said its a classic album....

But I am not going to sit up here and say the entire album is PERFECTION when it isnt or compare it to ANY of Marvin Gayes albums

[Edited 9/23/12 12:35pm]

the way I see it, marvin is marvin and janet is janet....it's not like today's artists where we call them out for being the clones and wannabes there are....and no one is sitting up here calling a michael album a james brown or stevie album either

alphastreet said:

I didn't know about the era when it was happening unless she was played and I didn't know who it was, so I can't say I have that though it takes me back to the second half of the 90's when I started getting into her.

Ditto

mjscarousal said:

I just brought that up after you delusionally insisted that Michael gets everything from Janet. Dont play dumb and stupid. I have not talked about Michael this entire time I have talked about the album and how underrated Janet is ... YOU ARE FUCKIN NUTS...

Go back and re-read the thread, darlin'. No one said anything about Michael Joseph Jackson until YOU said, and I quote, " I know Janet took RN idea from Michael for Captain EO..." Now, if what you are referring to are the quotes referencing MJ in my initial post, well, that's all they are. Quotes from someone else.

If there is anyone who takes the brass ring for being FUCKIN' NUTS, it is you, my dear.

Now, why don't you do what you said you were going to do a few posts up and B-O-U-N-C-E

alphastreet said:

the way I see it, marvin is marvin and janet is janet....it's not like today's artists where we call them out for being the clones and wannabes there are....and no one is sitting up here calling a michael album a james brown or stevie album either

Exactly.....

I just think comparing it to an innovative album is an exaggeration when it technically isnt innovative but that doesnt make it bad or not worth its merits.

I brought up captain eo NOT to discredit janet, but to discuss the roots of the inspiration behind beyonce's performance. I have done this too when discussing the origin of MJ performances, and I'm only telling you this now not to discuss him, but to stop getting so defensive when there is no need!

[Edited 9/23/12 12:51pm]

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

I just brought that up after you delusionally insisted that Michael gets everything from Janet. Dont play dumb and stupid. I have not talked about Michael this entire time I have talked about the album and how underrated Janet is ... YOU ARE FUCKIN NUTS...

Go back and re-read the thread, darlin'. No one said anything about Michael Joseph Jackson until YOU said, and I quote, " I know Janet took RN idea from Michael for Captain EO..." Now, if what you are referring to are the quotes referencing MJ in my initial post, well, that's all they are. Quotes from someone else.

If there is anyone who takes the brass ring for being FUCKIN' NUTS, it is you, my dear.

Now, why don't you do what you said you were going to do a few posts up and B-O-U-N-C-E

No you are FUCKIN NUTS You think you can just cuss out people when you have been called out for being wrong and not have to apologize to anybody..... I went back and read the first page and I wasnt the FIRST person to bring Michael up....

Alphastreet did but it was made to prove a point and I dont see anything wrong with it because its TRUE.......and it in no way bashes Janet. No thread is not going to specifically talk about ONE artist. Many artists have been brought up in this thread.

Yea bouncing from talking to your psycho ass and I will continue to talk about the RHYTHM NATION album to people who want to talk about it... LIKE I HAVE BEEN DOING since the beginning of the thread

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

I just brought that up after you delusionally insisted that Michael gets everything from Janet. Dont play dumb and stupid. I have not talked about Michael this entire time I have talked about the album and how underrated Janet is ... YOU ARE FUCKIN NUTS...

Go back and re-read the thread, darlin'. No one said anything about Michael Joseph Jackson until YOU said, and I quote, " I know Janet took RN idea from Michael for Captain EO..." Now, if what you are referring to are the quotes referencing MJ in my initial post, well, that's all they are. Quotes from someone else.

If there is anyone who takes the brass ring for being FUCKIN' NUTS, it is you, my dear.

Now, why don't you do what you said you were going to do a few posts up and B-O-U-N-C-E

Exactly.

This person is so deluded....

and I know Michael is more influential than Janet

I know Janet took RN idea from Michael for Captain EO but Im just stating that Janet has alot of influence today in alot of these female performances and she never gets credit. I hardly ever hear anyone say they were influence or inspired by something Janet did BESIDES Brittany. I remember Aaliyah saying she was inspired by her thats it though.

mjscarousal said:

SEANMAN said:

Go back and re-read the thread, darlin'. No one said anything about Michael Joseph Jackson until YOU said, and I quote, " I know Janet took RN idea from Michael for Captain EO..." Now, if what you are referring to are the quotes referencing MJ in my initial post, well, that's all they are. Quotes from someone else.

If there is anyone who takes the brass ring for being FUCKIN' NUTS, it is you, my dear.

Now, why don't you do what you said you were going to do a few posts up and B-O-U-N-C-E

No you are FUCKIN NUTS You think you can just cuss out people when you have been called out for being wrong and not have to apologize to anybody..... I went back and read the first page and I wasnt the FIRST person to bring Michael up....

Alphastreet did but it was made to prove a point and I dont see anything wrong with it because its TRUE.......and it in no way bashes Janet. No thread is not going to specifically talk about ONE artist. Many artists have been brought up in this thread.

Yea bouncing from talking to your psycho ass and I will continue to talk about the RHYTHM NATION album to people who want to talk about it... LIKE I HAVE BEEN DOING since the beginning of the thread

WOW, you really are sad. I started this thread to discuss the RN album, not to be a conduit for your bullshit. You said it was your time to BOUNCE after I'd mentioned how MJ was equally influenced by Janet as she was by him. So why don't you make good on your promise? Oh, and the mods have been notified.

Azz said:

SEANMAN said:

I know Janet took RN idea from Michael for Captain EO but Im just stating that Janet has alot of influence today in alot of these female performances and she never gets credit. I hardly ever hear anyone say they were influence or inspired by something Janet did BESIDES Brittany. I remember Aaliyah saying she was inspired by her thats it though.

No exactly you are because if you read the beginning of this thread I wasnt the FIRST to bring it up and I made those comments AFTER you delusional MJ haters insisted Michael got everything from Janet.

SEANMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

No you are FUCKIN NUTS You think you can just cuss out people when you have been called out for being wrong and not have to apologize to anybody..... I went back and read the first page and I wasnt the FIRST person to bring Michael up....

Alphastreet did but it was made to prove a point and I dont see anything wrong with it because its TRUE.......and it in no way bashes Janet. No thread is not going to specifically talk about ONE artist. Many artists have been brought up in this thread.

Yea bouncing from talking to your psycho ass and I will continue to talk about the RHYTHM NATION album to people who want to talk about it... LIKE I HAVE BEEN DOING since the beginning of the thread

WOW, you really are sad. I started this thread to discuss the RN album, not to be a conduit for your bullshit. You said it was your time to BOUNCE after I'd mentioned how MJ was equally influenced by Janet as she was by him. So why don't you make good on your promise? Oh, and the mods have been notified.

Ask me if I give a fuck?

THEY CAN READ THE THREADS FOR THEMSELVES.... I have talked about the album this entire time and after ONE poster makes a remark insisting that Janet got an idea from her brother WHICH SHE DID you people turn this into bashing Michael Jackson fest

No no you have done more than just that and implied much more. If this is a thread on Janet why are you talking about MJ and why you dislike him?

No you are REALLY sad by making a thread about Janet and making it about hating on MJ

And it was more like based on fact that she got the inspiration from him as one of the sources, the way Smooth Criminal was inspired by gangster films, fred astaire and so forth, which I would be crediting if this were an MJ thread. I never see MJ fans cry and moan if his influences are named during a discussion of his work, so I don't understand what the big deal is....and why you're freaking out over MJ, but not marvin, jody watley, tracy chapman, prince and the others I've named that I'm sure were an inspiration to miss jackson. That just shows your insecurity more if you ask me.

RN album in full

One of my favorite Janet ballads, "Lonely", is from RN

How ironic, MJ in a janet video you're posting nice job though, very fitting with the rn black & white theme

This album made such an impact on me when it was released. I was already in love with Control, but RN was it! Bought every cdsingle, the remixes were great too. The 12" of RN was slamming, Black Cat 3 snaps remix, Miss you much (slamming R&B remix) long version from Alright. Alright still is one of my favourite songs.

She had a really strong voice on this album, she has a soft voice but she showcased something different here.

Everything worked, the videos, the interludes (get the point...good....let's dance ), the hard beats but best of it, they were just really well written songs.

Time for some remixes!!!

looove the state of the world remixes too and own them on LP, one side being for that song, the other for someting non janet though can't recall what

mjscarousal said:

SEANMAN said:

WOW, you really are sad. I started this thread to discuss the RN album, not to be a conduit for your bullshit. You said it was your time to BOUNCE after I'd mentioned how MJ was equally influenced by Janet as she was by him. So why don't you make good on your promise? Oh, and the mods have been notified.

Ask me if I give a fuck?

THEY CAN READ THE THREADS FOR THEMSELVES.... I have talked about the album this entire time and after ONE poster makes a remark insisting that Janet got an idea from her brother WHICH SHE DID you people turn this into bashing Michael Jackson fest

No no you have done more than just that and implied much more. If this is a thread on Janet why are you talking about MJ and why you dislike him?

No you are REALLY sad by making a thread about Janet and making it about hating on MJ

Oh, I'm sure you DO give a fuck.

And they can indeed read these threads for themselves and see just what a whacked-out psycho you are. Your second-hand anger about something that went down between me and alphastreet in another thread really shows just how crazy you are. Seek and get some GOOD help.

And, as for me "disliking" MJ, well, that is just absurd. I've been a fan of Michael Jackson longer than you've even been on this Earth, and it remains the same to this day. I created this thread to talk about Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814, and have continued to do such until you, as USUSAL, brought your dramatic antics in.

Good-fucking-bye.

I remember watching this DVD EVERDAY after middle school working on my moves in the living room