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Reply #720 posted 07/29/12 6:58pm

aardvark15

Azz said:

I'm in disbelief that MJ fans can not see through this letter, and trust those two executives.

I'm in disbelief that they think a 14 year old who's looked for attention before is a valider source than the main adult(s) in situation
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Reply #721 posted 07/29/12 7:00pm

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kibbles said:

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she disrespected her uncle based on an assumption.

repost of my previous questions to you, which you've conveniently chosen not to address:

yes, but whose lies, azz? according to her lawyer, kat laughed when she was asked about her alleged stroke. please tell me you're not trying to blame that on paris; she's the one who defended her grandmother against her uncles and aunts whose letter claimed kat had had a "mini-stroke". if she's saying that tj lied, then why on earth is she willing to share joint guardianship with someone who claimed she appeared to be under duress and incoherent?

her slimeball uncle is undeserving of respect since HE LIED, LIED, LIED about his mother's health, in doing so he was trying to lead his niece and nephews to believe that she was sick when she wasn't. paris had no reason to assume her grandmother was ill. everyone makes assumptions based on the best available information they have. you keep saying "assumption", as if paris had no right to use her own knowledge to reach an educated conclusion, and side-stepping the fact that randy and co were OUT AND OUT LYING. paris was RIGHT.

Exactly. nod And in retrospect, Randy had no idea that his niece Paris can be just as much as an internet junkie as he is. lol

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Reply #722 posted 07/29/12 7:01pm

Azz

aardvark15 said:

Azz said:

I'm in disbelief that MJ fans can not see through this letter, and trust those two executives.

I'm in disbelief that they think a 14 year old who's looked for attention before is a valider source than the main adult(s) in situation

I'm in disbelief that an 82 year old woman can't visit her husband

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Reply #723 posted 07/29/12 7:09pm

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Azz said:

aardvark15 said:

I'm in disbelief that they think a 14 year old who's looked for attention before is a valider source than the main adult(s) in situation

I'm in disbelief that an 82 year old woman can't visit her husband

I'm in disbelief at this entire situation! razz

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Reply #724 posted 07/29/12 7:11pm

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I cant believe some people believe this group of money hungry leeches.

Azz said:



aardvark15 said:




Azz said:


I'm in disbelief that MJ fans can not see through this letter, and trust those two executives.




I'm in disbelief that they think a 14 year old who's looked for attention before is a valider source than the main adult(s) in situation


I'm in disbelief that an 82 year old woman can't visit her husband


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Reply #725 posted 07/29/12 7:20pm

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Azz said:

aardvark15 said:

I'm in disbelief that they think a 14 year old who's looked for attention before is a valider source than the main adult(s) in situation

I'm in disbelief that an 82 year old woman can't visit her husband

I'm in disbelief that Mrs. Jackson would even want to. lol

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Reply #726 posted 07/29/12 7:22pm

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I am in utter disbelief that Jackson apologist are STILL trying to deflect the actions of the cowardly, pathetic perpetrators-Janet, Jermaine, Randy and Rebbie- onto innocent children and an estate that the perpetrators are trying to overthrow.

It was not the estate who started this plot, fiasco, scam and then got BUSTED by a 14 year-old girl and her 15 year-old brother.Janet, Rebbie, Randy and Jermaine started this mess and now they are ducking and dodging and running scared. These perpetrators are "shitting bricks".

It was not the estate who "kidnapped" Katherine and held her "hostage" for 11 days without communicating with THRE MINOR CHILDREN whom she is responsbile for. It was Janet, Rebbie, Randy and Jermaine.

It was not the estate who ran up on those three minor children and tried to snatch Paris cellphone, in order for her to stop her communicating with the world about not hearing from her guardian/grandmother in 11 days. It was not the estate who caused Janet and Randy to look like two middle-school BULLIES all in Paris face taking photos of her with THEIR cell phones, taunting and following her.

It was not the estate who were trying to intimidate and force these children to go with Janet and Co. to god knows where. Thank God, Prince told them that he and his siblings weren't going anywhere. Thank God, the security stepped in to stop these bullies and potential "kidnappers".

It was not the estate who made Janet, Randy, Rebbie and Jermaine look like fools, dummies, morons and idiots. It was THEIR own pathetic actions. JJRR caused their OWN downfall by attempting to manipulate and fool the public and Michael Jackson's own children. Only delusional, out-of-touch Jackson defenders and stans would blame an estate for something this family did. Boo Hoo, I have zero sympathy for these pathetic individuals.

[Edited 7/29/12 19:32pm]

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Reply #727 posted 07/29/12 7:30pm

lowkey

wow this is disgusting, im sorry but i would stay getting arrested because nobody would tell me i cant visit my mother. the evil empire has spoken.

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Reply #728 posted 07/29/12 7:32pm

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purple05 said:

basically. i dont agree with how they acted but ill be damned if youre going to tell me that i cant visit my mom at her house. this will only cause more drama.

Janet, Rebbie, Jermaine and Randy SHOULD be barred from being around Michael's children. The kids are not safe around these people because:

1. Janet and Co. perpetuated a lie to the public and media in order to deceive to take control of Michael's money.

2. Janet and Co. basically held their mother "hostage" and wouldn't allow her to communicate with three MINOR children whom she is their guardian. This went on for 11 DAYS!

3. Janet and Randy barged onto the property withoug permission and physically tried to take paris cell phone AND tried to FORCE Paris, Prince and Blanket to go with them.

4. Janet and Co. tried to force Katherine to fire the security in place and hire Janet's serurity.

5. Janet security tried to force their way in so that they could get to the kids. They even asked where the kids school was.

6. Janet and Co. acted like "commandos" in their actions to silence these kids and force them to go with her to some undisclosed location. janet and co. had NO PERMISSION to do this since the kids guardian, Katherine Jackson,was basically being held "hostage".

Is there any wonder why these kids are frightened of these aunts and uncles? Btw, notice that OTHER uncles, aunts are not barred from the Cassablacas home. Katherine has no say so about who enters the home. It is not HER house. It is Paris, Prince and Blanket's house and she is their guardian. The estate pays for the house, she doesn't. Katherine wasn't capable of protecting these children from Janet and Co,, therefore, someone else-TJ and the Executors of the Estate have to take over and protect these children from greedy and dangerous family members

Yep. That's it in a nutshell. Not to mention that they also lied to their mother by having some bogus doctor come and tell her that she needed to take an extended vacation rolleyes

Btw I missed this article:

Sheriff probes claim that Michael Jackson's mother was exploited

Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies have been investigating allegations since April that Michael Jackson's mother was being exploited by family members, officials said.

Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said a business associate of the family made the accusation. Deputies interviewed Katherine Jackson, who denied the allegation. No arrests have been made, but the case is ongoing.

That case is not related to reports of a fight at the home of Katherine Jackson's home Monday involving various family members.

Full article: http://latimesblogs.latim...eated.html

So there's been an ongoing investigation regarding family members exploiting their own mother since April...An investigation that was started by a claim made by a business associate? eek

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Reply #729 posted 07/29/12 8:17pm

kibbles

NaughtyKitty said:

Yep. That's it in a nutshell. Not to mention that they also lied to their mother by having some bogus doctor come and tell her that she needed to take an extended vacation rolleyes

Btw I missed this article:

Sheriff probes claim that Michael Jackson's mother was exploited

Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies have been investigating allegations since April that Michael Jackson's mother was being exploited by family members, officials said.

Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said a business associate of the family made the accusation. Deputies interviewed Katherine Jackson, who denied the allegation. No arrests have been made, but the case is ongoing.

That case is not related to reports of a fight at the home of Katherine Jackson's home Monday involving various family members.

Full article: http://latimesblogs.latim...eated.html

So there's been an ongoing investigation regarding family members exploiting their own mother since April...An investigation that was started by a claim made by a business associate? eek

i know, right? if you look at the breakdown of the estate's expenses which i posted earlier, you see that kat got a little under $500K for the past year, while the kids' allowance is over $2 million. if you look at the breakdown, that money doesn't cover the housing or security or insurance, etc; all of those things are separate line items.

katherine must control that money as that's why her attorney is going to ask the judge for joint custody but also insist that she continues to control the purse strings. i think there are either kickbacks related to mj3's money going on, or else, it's related to the various "business" deals that have gone on since mj's death where katherine (and sometimes mj3) is used to help "promote" them.

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Reply #730 posted 07/29/12 8:34pm

kibbles

Azz said:

Azz said:

ROLAND S. MARTIN EXCLUSIVE: Janet Jackson, Others Family Members Barred From Mom’s California Home JULY 29, 2012 ARTS 2 COMMENTS By Roland S. Martin Editor-in-Chief RolandMartinReports.com The executors of Michael Jackson’s estate have barred a number of the late singer’s siblings, including Janet Jackson, from the California home where their mother, Katherine, is raising the late singers three children. The details of who is and isn’t allowed onto the Calabas, California is detailed in an email obtained by CNN’s Roland S. Martin. Howard Weitzman, who represents John McClain and John Branca, sent the email Wednesday to Charles Schultz, an attorney for Mrs. Jackson. Weitzman writes that after the drama over the last two weeks, which including allegations that Katherine Jackson had gone missing for 10 days and was unable to reach Paris, Prince and Blanket Jackson, which led to her having to share guardianship of the children with another grandchild, TJ Jackson, it is necessary to bar certain family and friends from the property. “Given the circumstances of the last two weeks, and in order to protect the children and Mrs. Jackson, the Executors believe that it would not be appropriate to allow the following individuals to enter the residence or its grounds and we instruct the security to preclude the following from entering the residence or the grounds: Randy Jackson and any of his children, Janet Jackson, Rebbie Jackson and any of her children, Jermaine Jackson, his wife and any of his children, Janice Smith, or anyone else who was involved in the recent events that led to Mrs. Jackson’s separation from and inability to communicate with Michael’s children, or any agents or representatives of any of these individuals,” Weitzman wrote. “There will be no other security or drivers allowed on the property except those employed by the Estate of Michael Jackson. Joe Jackson is precluded from entering the property. Howard Mann who is in litigation against the Estate and is working with the Jackson siblings that wrote the “letter” should also not be allowed on the premises.” The “letter” Weitzman is referring to is the one signed by Randy, Janet, Jermaine, Rebbie and Tito Jackson, alleging that the 2002 will authorizing Branca and McClain to be the executors of estate is fraudulent. Tito later apologized for signing the letter. “Of course, Paris, Prince and Blanket, T.J. and his brothers, Tito, Marlon, Jackie and their spouses, current security (hired by the Estate), staff (per T.J.), Meg Lodise, Michael Kane, Sandra Ribera, Parry Sanders, Trent Jackson, you (Charles Shultz) and anyone else authorized by T.J. (other than the Excluded Individuals listed above), may enter and remain on the premises,” Weitzman wrote. Weitzman’s email does not mention Michael’s sister, LaToya, and whether she can visit the property. She has publicly called on her family to stop the infighting. According to a Jackson family source, the estate is allowed to make such demands because it pays the monthly lease payment on the Calabas home. Katherine Jackson controls the $70,000 monthly stipend the estate allocates to each Jackson child – a total of $210,000 – any way she sees fit, including school costs and other expenses. Katherine Jackson is currently in the process of trying to purchase the home so the estate won’t be able to dictate such terms, the source said. Weitzman writes that if law enforcement needs to be made of the letter, Schultz, T.J. Jackson or anyone else is authorized to show it to them. “It is imperative to the Estate that from this point forward a safe and appropriate environment be provided for Michael Jackson’s children and his mother as well,” Weitzman wrote.

Essentially, this means that Katherine is now a prisoner in her own home. She can't leave the house to visit four of her children, many grandchildren, and her husband, for fear of having her guardianship stripped.

[Edited 7/29/12 14:23pm]

and you're the one calling paris a drama queen? good lord!

i noticed that kat and mj's kids all attended the (dis)unity concert on friday night. she is obviously able to leave the house, and therefore can visit any of these folks at their homes to her heart's content. and unlike her days at the spa, she does have access to a phone in calabasas so she can also talk all she wants to janet, rebbie, jermaine, etc. they just can't come onto the calabasas property, which doesn't belong to her, anyway. i'll eat my hat if she is ever able to afford any house, let alone that $35K/mo house. as it is, she's on the hook to the estate for over $6 million in loans already.

stepping onto a property that you don't own to force kids that you're not guardian to into a car to drive them to an unknown destination? oh hell no. you're damn right the estate took action.

try to keep up, azz. katherine's guardianship has already been stripped, and it will likely remain that way.

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Reply #731 posted 07/29/12 8:43pm

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Why the FUCK would she want to visit that piece of shit husband to begin with???

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Reply #732 posted 07/29/12 8:45pm

kibbles

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basically. i dont agree with how they acted but ill be damned if youre going to tell me that i cant visit my mom at her house. this will only cause more drama.

if janet wants to visit her mother at kat's house, then maybe she should buy one for her, put kat's name on the deed, and then katherine wouldn't have to worry about the so-called evil estate. she should have done it along time ago, truth be told.

you're right it will cause more drama, because there is nothing stopping the others who are able to go into the house from interceding on behalf of those that are excluded. the estate is underestimating the fact that the jacksons are going to stick together no matter what.

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Reply #733 posted 07/29/12 8:55pm

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kibbles said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Yep. That's it in a nutshell. Not to mention that they also lied to their mother by having some bogus doctor come and tell her that she needed to take an extended vacation rolleyes

Btw I missed this article:

Sheriff probes claim that Michael Jackson's mother was exploited

Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies have been investigating allegations since April that Michael Jackson's mother was being exploited by family members, officials said.

Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said a business associate of the family made the accusation. Deputies interviewed Katherine Jackson, who denied the allegation. No arrests have been made, but the case is ongoing.

That case is not related to reports of a fight at the home of Katherine Jackson's home Monday involving various family members.

Full article: http://latimesblogs.latim...eated.html

So there's been an ongoing investigation regarding family members exploiting their own mother since April...An investigation that was started by a claim made by a business associate? eek

i know, right? if you look at the breakdown of the estate's expenses which i posted earlier, you see that kat got a little under $500K for the past year, while the kids' allowance is over $2 million. if you look at the breakdown, that money doesn't cover the housing or security or insurance, etc; all of those things are separate line items.

katherine must control that money as that's why her attorney is going to ask the judge for joint custody but also insist that she continues to control the purse strings. i think there are either kickbacks related to mj3's money going on, or else, it's related to the various "business" deals that have gone on since mj's death where katherine (and sometimes mj3) is used to help "promote" them.

nod Yep and read that post you made earlier that had the breakdown of the estate's expenses...that was very informative, thank you for posting that. Very eye opening to see all those loans the estate gave Katherine, probably money that was spent on her no-job-no-income kids. How is she going to pay them back I wonder.

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Reply #734 posted 07/29/12 8:57pm

kibbles

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TMZ haven't reported the letter. They are clearly on the payroll of the estate, or have been promised inside info on what occured in return to paint the estate in a positive light. Even they know this letter is bad.

unlike randy and co., weitzman does not have to deliver letters to tabloid websites. from the looks of it, he sent it to kat's lawyer, who gave it to roland martin, a jackson-family supporter, for broadcast. this is full damage control: try to make the estate look like the bad guys to try to turn public opinion away from the actions of kat's trifling assed kids. too late....

i've read somewhere - maybe on the previous thread or another board - how when tmz received randy's letter, they thought it was some sort of joke and didn't publish it. not a fan of harvey levin, but he has seen through the jacksons on this issue from day one.

there has only been one open letter from the estate, and it didn't go to tmz exclusively. it went to all broadcast media. it reminded the jacksons that the estate had control of mj's image, likeness, and use of publicity and they would exercise their rights therein if the family insisted on using such image and likeness to promote that bullshit wales concert.

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Reply #735 posted 07/29/12 9:05pm

kibbles

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kibbles said:

i know, right? if you look at the breakdown of the estate's expenses which i posted earlier, you see that kat got a little under $500K for the past year, while the kids' allowance is over $2 million. if you look at the breakdown, that money doesn't cover the housing or security or insurance, etc; all of those things are separate line items.

katherine must control that money as that's why her attorney is going to ask the judge for joint custody but also insist that she continues to control the purse strings. i think there are either kickbacks related to mj3's money going on, or else, it's related to the various "business" deals that have gone on since mj's death where katherine (and sometimes mj3) is used to help "promote" them.

nod Yep and read that post you made earlier that had the breakdown of the estate's expenses...that was very informative, thank you for posting that. Very eye opening to see all those loans the estate gave Katherine, probably money that was spent on her no-job-no-income kids. How is she going to pay them back I wonder.

last year, the estate was supposed to fund the mj trust to the tune of $30 million. forty-percent of that would be kat's, or $12 million. i'm assuming that that's where it's coming from. her trust will be replenished as the estate is more and more profitable, but in the short term, it gives her less to draw upon.

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Reply #736 posted 07/29/12 9:09pm

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Why the FUCK would she want to visit that piece of shit husband to begin with???

The abusive womanizer of a man hell no.
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Reply #737 posted 07/29/12 9:29pm

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Reply #738 posted 07/30/12 12:52am

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NaughtyKitty said:

Sheriff probes claim that Michael Jackson's mother was exploited

Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies have been investigating allegations since April that Michael Jackson's mother was being exploited by family members, officials said.

Sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore said a business associate of the family made the accusation. Deputies interviewed Katherine Jackson, who denied the allegation. No arrests have been made, but the case is ongoing.

That case is not related to reports of a fight at the home of Katherine Jackson's home Monday involving various family members.

Full article: http://latimesblogs.latim...eated.html

So there's been an ongoing investigation regarding family members exploiting their own mother since April...An investigation that was started by a claim made by a business associate? eek

hmmm

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Reply #739 posted 07/30/12 2:43am

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this Free2BMe said:

Azz said:

Agree. Janet is shady as hell and no excuses by her delusional stanatics will nullify that. She is the RING LEADER in this deception because she feels that her stans, media and puiblic will forgive her because she is Janet Jackson. It looks as if she is correct about her stans, they will forgive her even if she murdered someone. They are that pathetic. I don't know how much clearer her involvement has to be before these delusional stans see how far Janet's ass is involved. Even Paris, a 14 year-old girl has admitted that Janet did not slap her and that she did not cuss Janet out.

However, this cowardly fake heifer sits back and ALLOWS her stans and other people like Gladys Knight to bash this girl for no reason. Janet knows why she was trying to take Paris' cell phone, it was because Paris exposed their scheme. To do a CHILD like that is inexcusable. Janet's cowardice is almost as upsetting as the scam that she and her siblings tried to pull. I can bet that she wouldn't have walked up to Prince and tried to take his cell phone. Her actions toward Paris shows more envy than that of a concerned "aunt". These kids iknow that Janet is full of shit. They know what she has tried to do to her own brother and their father since his death. This entire scam that she is involved in is based on Jealousy,greed and the fact that she wants to be that's in charge of things. Can one imagine the outrage that these ignorant Janet stans would have had IF Michael had done the same thing to her, his mother, or any of his nieces and nephews. Of course, since it is Fake Ass Janet jackson, let's just forget that she LIED, used deception, tried to manipulate the public and allowed KIDS to take the heat for what SHE did. What a person to defend, stanatics! I wonder what you people are going to do when her next scam blows up in her face?

Can someone please buy this person a life? lol

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Reply #740 posted 07/30/12 3:20am

SoulAlive

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SoulAlive said:

As I said before,things need to get back to normal before "those people" even think about visiting Katherine.This is just a temporary ban until this mess is sorted out.Katherine and her grandkids don't need any more drama and fighting in their lives.The kids don't need their aunts and uncles coming over into their home,trying to snatch their cellphones and arguing with security.This is a cooling off period,for all involved.


I didn't see the words temporary. From the letter, it's clear the house is not the kid's.

If Janet,Jermaine,Rebbie or Randy wants to see their mother,they can simply invite her over to their own homes.Or invite to a restaurant for lunch.For the time being,it's not a good idea for them to be around MJ's children.There's still alot of anger and bitterness,and the last thing that Katherine needs is another family argument in her driveway.

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Reply #741 posted 07/30/12 4:05am

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SoulAlive said:



Azz said:




SoulAlive said:




As I said before,things need to get back to normal before "those people" even think about visiting Katherine.This is just a temporary ban until this mess is sorted out.Katherine and her grandkids don't need any more drama and fighting in their lives.The kids don't need their aunts and uncles coming over into their home,trying to snatch their cellphones and arguing with security.This is a cooling off period,for all involved.




I didn't see the words temporary. From the letter, it's clear the house is not the kid's.




If Janet,Jermaine,Rebbie or Randy wants to see their mother,they can simply invite her over to their own homes.Or invite to a restaurant for lunch.For the time being,it's not a good idea for them to be around MJ's children.There's still alot of anger and bitterness,and the last thing that Katherine needs is another family argument in her driveway.


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Agree.
As someone else said, one of them could purchase Katherine a house and make sure she had no financial worries so that she could live her twilight years with no worries. I do wonder why none of them have done this before hmm I am sure the majority of us on this thread would have done this for our loved ones
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Reply #742 posted 07/30/12 4:08am

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mancabdriver said:

this Free2BMe said:

Agree. Janet is shady as hell and no excuses by her delusional stanatics will nullify that. She is the RING LEADER in this deception because she feels that her stans, media and puiblic will forgive her because she is Janet Jackson. It looks as if she is correct about her stans, they will forgive her even if she murdered someone. They are that pathetic. I don't know how much clearer her involvement has to be before these delusional stans see how far Janet's ass is involved. Even Paris, a 14 year-old girl has admitted that Janet did not slap her and that she did not cuss Janet out.

However, this cowardly fake heifer sits back and ALLOWS her stans and other people like Gladys Knight to bash this girl for no reason. Janet knows why she was trying to take Paris' cell phone, it was because Paris exposed their scheme. To do a CHILD like that is inexcusable. Janet's cowardice is almost as upsetting as the scam that she and her siblings tried to pull. I can bet that she wouldn't have walked up to Prince and tried to take his cell phone. Her actions toward Paris shows more envy than that of a concerned "aunt". These kids iknow that Janet is full of shit. They know what she has tried to do to her own brother and their father since his death. This entire scam that she is involved in is based on Jealousy,greed and the fact that she wants to be that's in charge of things. Can one imagine the outrage that these ignorant Janet stans would have had IF Michael had done the same thing to her, his mother, or any of his nieces and nephews. Of course, since it is Fake Ass Janet jackson, let's just forget that she LIED, used deception, tried to manipulate the public and allowed KIDS to take the heat for what SHE did. What a person to defend, stanatics! I wonder what you people are going to do when her next scam blows up in her face?

Can someone please buy this person a life? lol

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Reply #743 posted 07/30/12 4:09am

Azz

WaterInYourBath said:

Azz said:

I'm in disbelief that an 82 year old woman can't visit her husband

I'm in disbelief that Mrs. Jackson would even want to. lol

You win. lol

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Reply #744 posted 07/30/12 6:02am

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Janet Jackson 'regrets her actions'

2012-07-30 12:43
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Los Angeles - Janet Jackson regrets her actions this week.

Janet, along with Randy and Jermaine - siblings of the late singer Michael Jackson - banded together to overthrow the executors of the dead pop star's estate but Janet is reportedly sorry she ever got involved.

Her actions from this week include reportedly slapping her niece Paris during an altercation at Katherine Jackson's house on 23 July when she and her brothers arrived to take Michael's children Prince Michael, 15, Paris, 14, and Blanket, 10, to Arizona where Katherine was then staying.

However, the children defied the decisions of their family, causing Janet to slap Paris and allegedly called her a "spoiled little bitch".

Paris fired back by hitting her aunt, saying: "This is our house, not the Jackson family house. Get the fuck out."

However, Janet is said to be upset by her actions and how everything spiralled out of control.

A source told RadarOnline: "The public has seen a very different side of Janet this past week, and she has to be regretting following Randy's advice. Janet is very much like Katherine in that she likes to keep a low profile, and not have family drama play out in the press."

- BangShowBiz

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Reply #745 posted 07/30/12 6:28am

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kibbles said:

purple05 said:

basically. i dont agree with how they acted but ill be damned if youre going to tell me that i cant visit my mom at her house. this will only cause more drama.

if janet wants to visit her mother at kat's house, then maybe she should buy one for her, put kat's name on the deed, and then katherine wouldn't have to worry about the so-called evil estate. she should have done it along time ago, truth be told.

you're right it will cause more drama, because there is nothing stopping the others who are able to go into the house from interceding on behalf of those that are excluded. the estate is underestimating the fact that the jacksons are going to stick together no matter what.

I tend to agree, but then more drama will be forthcoming regardless.

Question...do you think it would have been better for the estate to petition the court for a temporary restraining order? I'm not sure about Cali but in our jurisdiction a court order would be the way to deal with that issue and it can be done by the guardian ad litem on behalf of a minor.

A court ordered cooling off period where all parties are ordered to stay away from each other would carry more weight and each side would have to present their case at a hearing.

I wonder too if Janet ever considered having mom come live with her instead of in a separate house but maybe Mama Kate don't wanna live with any of them?

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Reply #746 posted 07/30/12 8:38am

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isn't it absurd that we're now talking about restraining orders against family members? disbelief nuts that's how crazy this situation has become.Jermaine,Randy,Janet and Rebbie did so much damage to their own family.They should be ashamed and embarrased.

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Reply #747 posted 07/30/12 9:15am

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nod Yep and read that post you made earlier that had the breakdown of the estate's expenses...that was very informative, thank you for posting that. Very eye opening to see all those loans the estate gave Katherine, probably money that was spent on her no-job-no-income kids. How is she going to pay them back I wonder.

last year, the estate was supposed to fund the mj trust to the tune of $30 million. forty-percent of that would be kat's, or $12 million. i'm assuming that that's where it's coming from. her trust will be replenished as the estate is more and more profitable, but in the short term, it gives her less to draw upon.

Ok, yeah that makes sense.

Michael Jackson Family Feud: Lessons for Wills and Trusts



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Do the latest squabbles of the Jackson family — over Michael Jackson's will and estate — offer any lessons for other people drafting wills or setting up estates? Yes, although as estate attorney Donald David says wryly, "This is not your average American family."

Five of the Jacksons, in a letter to the estate's executors, have called the will of the late pop star "fake, flawed and fraudulent." They claim its signature is false: That though the document gives Michael's location on the day he signed as Los Angeles, they know him to have been in New York. They accuse the two executors of everything from coercing family matriarch Katherine Jackson, to mishandling business deals, to getting too juicy a cut for themselves from those same deals.

In a letter of their own, executors John Branca and John McClain dismiss the claims of fraud as "stale Internet conspiracy theories." They say they find the family's accusations particularly disheartening, since they come at the very time the two have made "remarkable progress" turning around the estate, which was $500 million in the red at the time of the pop king's death but three years later showed a $475 million profit.

Big as the numbers are, and exotic as the Jackson family story may be, some experts say the dispute has lessons to teach ordinary folks.

"What do the estate planning mistakes of Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger, Princess Di and other well known celebrities have to do with you? Everything! " says the website of attorneys Danielle and Andy Mayoras, authors of "Trial & Heirs: Famous...une Fights.'' Errors of the rich and famous, they contend, can show families across America how to avoid similar pitfalls.

Pitfalls such as what? Such as not acting fast enough (if you're the beneficiary), when you think there's something fishy about a will.

In California and other states, say the Mayoras, heirs have only 120 days after a will goes into probate to challenge its validity. The Jacksons failed to meet that deadline. Thus Michael's will became not just valid after that, but, in the law's eyes, valid beyond challenge. "You want to bring your challenge right up front," advises Andy.

Is there nothing, at this point, that the Jacksons can do? Not much, says Danielle Mayoras. They could try, she says, to allege a very high level of fraud called "fraudulent concealment." But to succeed with that, they'd have to prove that reason they made no challenge earlier was because, say, the estate deliberately concealed the existence of a later version of the will.

A second Jackson lesson: Have your will updated regularly -- every 2 or 3 years — so that it can realistically addresses present circumstances.

Michael Jackson made out his will in 2002, the Mayoras say, but he did not update it before he died in 2009. He appointed as his children's guardian his mother, Katherine Jackson (now 82), with Diana Ross as her backup.

"Normally we advise people with small children to really think hard about who they want as guardian," says Andy. You want somebody who's up to the task of rearing small children. For an 82-year-old, he says, that task has to be stressful and demanding.

Katherine, it has been speculated, may have suffered a stroke before or during a recent stay in Arizona.

Does all this mean Michael erred in his will by appointing her his children's guardian? Not necessarily, thinks Donald David. He agrees the choice of someone so old was "a bit unusual." But, he adds, "It's premature for us to say there is a problem. Right now nobody knows what happened in Arizona."

He calls the late singer, whom he met once in a deposition, "one of the smartest businessmen I've ever dealt with" and someone more than capable of making sound choices. Of Michael's choice of Katherine, he says, "Perhaps he felt she was the best person. Perhaps he felt others might not be as protective or might be more interested in what they could get for themselves."

Lesson three: Jackson's trust.

If you're setting up a trust, as Michael Jackson did to provide for his mother (among others), is it better to give your trustees detailed instructions how you want them to execute your wishes, or is it better to speak in generalities? Jackson's trust, according to David and the Mayoras, says only that the monies are to be spent on Katherine's care and well-being, without providing more specifics.

David thinks that's fine. "It's good to be general," he says. In his view, it's a mistake to craft instructions for your trustees that are "so long and convoluted that they try to be a road map." Does "care and well-being" mean she has to have a car and chauffeur? Does it mean she must live in nothing smaller than a 1-bedroom apartment? That's best left up, he says, to the interpretation of the trustees you've picked -- who, in this case, are Branca and McClain. Further, to create "an artificially restrictive structure" is to invite litigation.

The Mayoras, in Jackson's case, disagree. Jackson's trust document, only 22 pages long, does not comport, they say, with the size or complexity of the singer's estate. "The entire document," they write, "is far from the quality one would expect from any experienced estate planning attorney." By comparison, they point to the far more substantial and detailed document they say was created for the actress Farrah Fawcett, who died the same day as Jackson.

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Reply #748 posted 07/30/12 9:19am

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isn't it absurd that we're now talking about restraining orders against family members? disbelief nuts that's how crazy this situation has become.Jermaine,Randy,Janet and Rebbie did so much damage to their own family.They should be ashamed and embarrased.

Oh I think they are but ONLY because it didn't work and it's public knowledge.

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Reply #749 posted 07/30/12 9:26am

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Janet Jackson 'regrets her actions'

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Los Angeles - Janet Jackson regrets her actions this week.

Janet, along with Randy and Jermaine - siblings of the late singer Michael Jackson - banded together to overthrow the executors of the dead pop star's estate but Janet is reportedly sorry she ever got involved.

Her actions from this week include reportedly slapping her niece Paris during an altercation at Katherine Jackson's house on 23 July when she and her brothers arrived to take Michael's children Prince Michael, 15, Paris, 14, and Blanket, 10, to Arizona where Katherine was then staying.

However, the children defied the decisions of their family, causing Janet to slap Paris and allegedly called her a "spoiled little bitch".

Paris fired back by hitting her aunt, saying: "This is our house, not the Jackson family house. Get the fuck out."

However, Janet is said to be upset by her actions and how everything spiralled out of control.

A source told RadarOnline: "The public has seen a very different side of Janet this past week, and she has to be regretting following Randy's advice. Janet is very much like Katherine in that she likes to keep a low profile, and not have family drama play out in the press."

- BangShowBiz

It would appropriate and the womanly thing to do IF Janet admitted that she was the perpetrator of this whole mess. However, I think we can hold our breath until she has the guts to do that. Ironically, a 14 year old girl showed more courage than her almost 50 year-old aunt. Paris IMMEDIATELY tweeted that Janet did NOT slap her and that she did not "cuss" Janet out. This young girl didn't have to do that. She could have just sat back and allowed Janet to take the hit. She didn't, Paris told the truth, although the media outlets ignored her tweeter statement and continued with the "slapping incident" Through all of this her almost 50 year-old aunt, Janet Jackson, just sat back and has not said a word and ALLOWED her neice to take the brunt of the criticism and not said a word to DENY that the "slapping" incident happened. I guess that Janet is so far up in this shit that it is best that she put her tali between her legs and STFU. Either way, she and her other siblings who caused this whole fiasco are COWARDS,

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