Timmy84 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I doubt he really loves his wife or any of his children. His silence speaks a lot of volumes. He's probably laughing because "those two knucklehead sons of mine just tried to fight Trent. Punks." Obviously he don't care for Katherine or his grandkids...

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Yep.

Timmy84 said:

kibbles said:

i called it a long time ago. i said, if they keep pushing, katherine is going to lose custody of these kids.

number one, i don't care if katherine is on a 'vacay'. she still has an obligation to check on those kids on her own initiative. she's got time to be around 'family' and play uno on her supposed stress-free vacay, but she doesn't have time to call mj's kids to speak to them for five minutes? she receives a fucking visit from the sheriff's department, who must have directly told her that her granddaughter in particular had been asking about her, and that doesn't prompt her to call? she should lose custody for that shit right there.

number two, the kids can't go to any other jackson. every other jackson in this matter has shown just how weak and ineffectual they are. tito's kids ought to be ashamed of themselves after all mj did for them. this shit didn't just start last week; it has likely been going on since june, 2009. they are grown men, any one of them could have gotten a lawyer and challenged katherine's custody since they have been aware of the situation from day one. not only that, there is this particularly nasty column in a chicago paper which is sourced to a jackson insider wherein they make very clear that they don't accept mj3 as 'blood' and 'family'. if mj3 are put with tj or whomever, the leeches will still have access to them since these other jacksons have shown they can't stand up to randy and jermaine.

Like I said, this is not gonna well. You got Tito's sons and Trent Jackson on one side and Rebbie, Janet, Jermaine, Randy (and possibly Tito) on the other. And then they lie about having a top firm looking into the will. Then a video shows Janet trying to force Paris' cell phone from her hand. Then a scuffle breaks out between Trent, Jermaine and Randy. Then the kids are moved into another location safe from harm. I doubt Tito's son will get rights, I'm afraid, if Margaret is adamant that no member of the family gets the right to look after them all because Katherine hasn't contacted the kids yet.

1. Given his born-again Christian status, I think Marlon is the Jackson sibling that is rumored to be very disappointed in what his 5 siblings are doing at this point and wants no part of it. Still no comments from Jackie and LaToya on this family feud.

2. And I dare to ask again because I'm such a conspiracy researcher: Where in the hell is big papa Joseph Jackson in all of this hot mess?!?

If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to apologized to my fellow orgers for being wrong about this. But I have a hunch that Joseph is on some JR Ewing-type massive gameplaying.

Just think about it, this War Of The Jacksons that is being played out in front of the news media, is basically a crash between two generations of Jackson family members. And I can NOT helped but to figured Joseph would benefit from seeing most of his adult children against some of his grandchildren (mostly Michael's & Tito's children thus far) by approving of his adult children going to war against Michael's estate, even by means of getting Katherine out of the equation.

So what if Debbie Rowe never wants Joseph involved in raising Michael's children. Joseph (in theory at least) would rather get majority control of Michael's estate via using most of his adult children as the "human vessels" so to speak. If Joseph controls the estates, he controls Michael's children regardless (financially-speaking of course).

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Like I said, this is not gonna well. You got Tito's sons and Trent Jackson on one side and Rebbie, Janet, Jermaine, Randy (and possibly Tito) on the other. And then they lie about having a top firm looking into the will. Then a video shows Janet trying to force Paris' cell phone from her hand. Then a scuffle breaks out between Trent, Jermaine and Randy. Then the kids are moved into another location safe from harm. I doubt Tito's son will get rights, I'm afraid, if Margaret is adamant that no member of the family gets the right to look after them all because Katherine hasn't contacted the kids yet.

1. Given his born-again Christian status, I think Marlon is the Jackson sibling that is rumored to be very disappointed in what his 5 siblings are doing at this point and wants no part of it. Still no comments from Jackie and LaToya on this family feud.

2. And I dare to ask again because I'm such a conspiracy researcher: Where in the hell is big papa Joseph Jackson in all of this hot mess?!?

If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to apologized to my fellow orgers for being wrong about this. But I have a hunch that Joseph is on some JR Ewing-type massive gameplaying.

Just think about it, this War Of The Jacksons that is being played out in front of the news media, is basically a crash between two generations of Jackson family members. And I can NOT helped but to figured Joseph would benefit from seeing most of his adult children against some of his grandchildren (mostly Michael's & Tito's children thus far) by approving of his adult children going to war against Michael's estate, even by means of getting Katherine out of the equation.

So what if Debbie Rowe never wants Joseph involved in raising Michael's children. Joseph (in theory at least) would rather get majority control of Michael's estate via using most of his adult children as the "human vessels" so to speak. If Joseph controls the estates, he controls Michael's children regardless (financially-speaking of course).

Good point about Marlon... I didn't even think of that. Tito's just now backing away because it don't look good in the media as his son is on the side of his nephews and niece rather than his siblings.

I actually won't be surprised if Joe was in on it and he actually has some kind of life insurance policy taken out on Katherine just in case she happens to die, then he'll just come in and try to get his children to all grab the money that would come. It has nothing to do with the will anymore since the will is valid according to California law.

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mancabdriver said:

-A teenager defies her older relatives

-A brother and sister have an argument outside their family home

-A family fights over their deceased relative's money

WOW! These Jacksons are crazy I have never heard anything like this before!

It's unbelievable.

Please!!!!! I could knock on my neighbour’s door and see the same shit happening in front of my very eyes.

You forgot to mention Grandmother whisked away to some far off place for days while having custody over the kids, without them knowing where she up and went.

Question. I've seen somewhere something about some lawyers claiming they do not represent the Jacksons. Were they the lawyers from the letter allegedly representing the siblings or did I mixed it all up?

[Edited 7/24/12 11:24am]

Ottensen said:

Timmy84 said:

WOW! Talk about being busted.

Personally I think the siblings are full of shit and they're just blatantly trying to make a money grab, end of.

...and insofar as Paris tweeting her happy little teenaged ass off giving the play by play, I'm actually relieved for her that she has Twitter access; it's giving her a voice so that she can be heard -and give everybody the 411 on what insanity is going down in her family, with her and her brothers as the pawns. This is some trifling mess.

That family has been a three ring circus for years. She's not saying anything new and spectacular. It's entertainment, but sad at the same time, and dysfunction is passing on to the next generation. Question: would you put your business out on Twitter, give the 411 on your family members, play by play for the whole world to see? I don't think so because your business becomes everyone's business.

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dag said:

Question. I've seen somewhere something about some lawyers claiming they do not represent the Jacksons. Were they the lawyers from the letter allegedly representing the siblings or did I all mixed it up?

Yeah they claimed this top firm was representing them on the matter of "attacking the will" and they said "no we're not representing the Jacksons".

angel345 said:

Ottensen said:

Personally I think the siblings are full of shit and they're just blatantly trying to make a money grab, end of.

...and insofar as Paris tweeting her happy little teenaged ass off giving the play by play, I'm actually relieved for her that she has Twitter access; it's giving her a voice so that she can be heard -and give everybody the 411 on what insanity is going down in her family, with her and her brothers as the pawns. This is some trifling mess.

That family has been three ring circus for years. She's not saying anything new and spectacular. It's entertainment, but sad at the same time, and dysfunction is passing on to the next generation. Question: would you put your business out on Twitter, give the 411 on your family members, play by play for the whole world to see? I don't think so because your business becomes everyone's business.

Ain't like they have really much a choice in this world especially considering who they're dealing with. In the 21st century, one way or another, people are gonna know about your business.

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. Given his born-again Christian status, I think Marlon is the Jackson sibling that is rumored to be very disappointed in what his 5 siblings are doing at this point and wants no part of it. Still no comments from Jackie and LaToya on this family feud.

2. And I dare to ask again because I'm such a conspiracy researcher: Where in the hell is big papa Joseph Jackson in all of this hot mess?!?

If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to apologized to my fellow orgers for being wrong about this. But I have a hunch that Joseph is on some JR Ewing-type massive gameplaying.

Just think about it, this War Of The Jacksons that is being played out in front of the news media, is basically a crash between two generations of Jackson family members. And I can NOT helped but to figured Joseph would benefit from seeing most of his adult children against some of his grandchildren (mostly Michael's & Tito's children thus far) by approving of his adult children going to war against Michael's estate, even by means of getting Katherine out of the equation.

So what if Debbie Rowe never wants Joseph involved in raising Michael's children. Joseph (in theory at least) would rather get majority control of Michael's estate via using most of his adult children as the "human vessels" so to speak. If Joseph controls the estates, he controls Michael's children regardless (financially-speaking of course).

Good point about Marlon... I didn't even think of that. Tito's just now backing away because it don't look good in the media as his son is on the side of his nephews and niece rather than his siblings.

I actually won't be surprised if Joe was in on it and he actually has some kind of life insurance policy taken out on Katherine just in case she happens to die, then he'll just come in and try to get his children to all grab the money that would come. It has nothing to do with the will anymore since the will is valid according to California law.

[Edited 7/24/12 11:19am]

Bingo!

They are legally separated, but they are still married. If Katherine was to die at any moment, Joseph can still claim the life insurence money.

Timmy84 said:

dag said:

Question. I've seen somewhere something about some lawyers claiming they do not represent the Jacksons. Were they the lawyers from the letter allegedly representing the siblings or did I all mixed it up?

Yeah they claimed this top firm was representing them on the matter of "attacking the will" and they said "no we're not representing the Jacksons".

I am waiting for Azz to come and tell us that Paris is also responsible for this.

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:

That family has been three ring circus for years. She's not saying anything new and spectacular. It's entertainment, but sad at the same time, and dysfunction is passing on to the next generation. Question: would you put your business out on Twitter, give the 411 on your family members, play by play for the whole world to see? I don't think so because your business becomes everyone's business.

Ain't like they have really much a choice in this world especially considering who they're dealing with. In the 21st century, one way or another, people are gonna know about your business.

We're not going to know all of their business, unless you tell it.

^^^This is why I stated if MJ was alive, he wouldn't tolerate this mess. He would have put some restrictions on it. As many fans know, he was a private person.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Good point about Marlon... I didn't even think of that. Tito's just now backing away because it don't look good in the media as his son is on the side of his nephews and niece rather than his siblings.

I actually won't be surprised if Joe was in on it and he actually has some kind of life insurance policy taken out on Katherine just in case she happens to die, then he'll just come in and try to get his children to all grab the money that would come. It has nothing to do with the will anymore since the will is valid according to California law.

[Edited 7/24/12 11:19am]

Bingo!

They are legally separated, but they are still married. If Katherine was to die at any moment, Joseph can still claim the life insurence money.

Right. Joe stubbornly didn't leave Hayvenhurst after Katherine filed for divorce a second time in 1982. I think they both came to the conclusion to be legally separated. But I forgot if it was during the 1982 divorce issue or later. I heard they've been legally separated since the mid-1990s and Joe started to live outside Hayvenhurst around 1994 or 1995. Joe stayed because of the money. That's the only tie he has with Katherine. Has nothing to do with romance. Hell they probably weren't in love with each other when they did decide to marry and have all those kids. Their marriage is starting to sound like a business transaction than just a woman staying with someone due to her religious convictions.

angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:

Ain't like they have really much a choice in this world especially considering who they're dealing with. In the 21st century, one way or another, people are gonna know about your business.

We're not going to know all of their business, unless you tell it.

That's why Michael's death was costly because that's what has ended up happening.

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:

That family has been three ring circus for years. She's not saying anything new and spectacular. It's entertainment, but sad at the same time, and dysfunction is passing on to the next generation. Question: would you put your business out on Twitter, give the 411 on your family members, play by play for the whole world to see? I don't think so because your business becomes everyone's business.

Ain't like they have really much a choice in this world especially considering who they're dealing with. In the 21st century, one way or another, people are gonna know about your business.

If Prince Nelson couldn't control information technology, WTF makes the siblings of the late Michael Jackson think that they can control it?!? Seriously.

CASE IN POINT: Lets say that Janet was successful in taking the smartphone away from Paris, it's very easy to find other people's desktops, laptops, smartphones, & tablets that Paris can still use to get her story out through Tweeter, Facebook, & YouTube. The last time I checked, internet access is still free at public libraries, McDonald's, Starbucks, and other food chains with wi-fi.

Interestingly, this family has at least one person who really needs these children??
I think the fact that MJ appointed guardians of children very old mother (I'm not sure that grandmother 80+ years old can care of three children), and Diana Ross - an indicator of hopelessness of the situation.
Perhaps, the sons of Tito, they always seemed to be quite adequate and close to MJ.

angel345 said:

^^^This is why I stated if MJ was alive, he wouldn't tolerate this mess. He would have put some restrictions on it. As many fans know, he was a private person.

Of course. But if he was alive, none of this would be happening either. I also don't think Paris should be on twitter the way she is, but in this situation, it's actually been a plus. If things were normal, I'd rather she was privately enjoying life, but in this situation I am happy she has a voice.

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Bingo!

They are legally separated, but they are still married. If Katherine was to die at any moment, Joseph can still claim the life insurence money.

Right. Joe stubbornly didn't leave Hayvenhurst after Katherine filed for divorce a second time in 1982. I think they both came to the conclusion to be legally separated. But I forgot if it was during the 1982 divorce issue or later. I heard they've been legally separated since the mid-1990s and Joe started to live outside Hayvenhurst around 1994 or 1995. Joe stayed because of the money. That's the only tie he has with Katherine. Has nothing to do with romance. Hell they probably weren't in love with each other when they did decide to marry and have all those kids. Their marriage is starting to sound like a business transaction than just a woman staying with someone due to her religious convictions.

Like Janet once mention in an interview years ago, the sex life between Joseph & Katherine must have been excellent within the marriage. They created 9 biological children in the process.

You don't necessary have to be in love to a person per se to have sex you know.

"Like I said, this is not gonna well." - Timmy84 The facts, so simply stated.

I think that there just might be some Jackson family members looking at criminal charges. Or perhaps some civil liability. And they better hope that this does not turn out to be the last straw for Ms. Katherine. She, like Mike, just might put them outa her will; and this is where I believe some Jackson family members looking for money and power think they are gonna find it - Ms. Katherine's will. Seems like any issue might have been with Michael's will itself and they would need to take that up in a court of law, not with nephew Trent, not with Ms. Katherine, not with the court of public opinion, not with them teenagers, not with the estate... Does it indicate anything about their position that this business seems to be going everywhere but a court of law? Shady stuff.

Paris at the end of the day is a baby lioness taking care of business with the arms at hand - family business. She seems smart and observant, and would have soaked in a thing or two from even the most minimal observations of how her father would put this shit in check. Look out if you are the receiving end. "So help me God ...." I think that Prince (quiet storm that one) is her backbone on this, and they will make a formidable team.

[Tommy Mottola coulda been the subject of a Michael Jackson tweet or two if the timing had been right.]

[Edited 7/24/12 11:47am]

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Right. Joe stubbornly didn't leave Hayvenhurst after Katherine filed for divorce a second time in 1982. I think they both came to the conclusion to be legally separated. But I forgot if it was during the 1982 divorce issue or later. I heard they've been legally separated since the mid-1990s and Joe started to live outside Hayvenhurst around 1994 or 1995. Joe stayed because of the money. That's the only tie he has with Katherine. Has nothing to do with romance. Hell they probably weren't in love with each other when they did decide to marry and have all those kids. Their marriage is starting to sound like a business transaction than just a woman staying with someone due to her religious convictions.

Like Janet once mention in an interview years ago, the sex life between Joseph & Katherine must have been excellent within the marriage. They created 9 biological children in the process.

You don't necessary have to be in love to a person per se to have sex you know.

True!

LiLi1992 said:

Somebody better come get this little white girl before she decides to spill all the beans.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

Ain't like they have really much a choice in this world especially considering who they're dealing with. In the 21st century, one way or another, people are gonna know about your business.

If Prince Nelson couldn't control information technology, WTF makes the siblings of the late Michael Jackson think that they can control it?!? Seriously.

CASE IN POINT: Lets say that Janet was successful in taking the smartphone away from Paris, it's very easy to find other people's desktops, laptops, smartphones, & tablets that Paris can still use to get her story out through Tweeter, Facebook, & YouTube. The last time I checked, internet access is still free at public libraries, McDonald's, Starbucks, and other food chains with wi-fi.

My focus was more on tact and discretion than technology, and I believe this is why Janet was attempting to snatch the phone from Paris. What needs to be settled, should be settled among family members. Don't turn this into a three ring circle, so that you can grab headlines if that's the intention. Now that this story is out, what now?

dag said:

angel345 said:

^^^This is why I stated if MJ was alive, he wouldn't tolerate this mess. He would have put some restrictions on it. As many fans know, he was a private person.

Of course. But if he was alive, none of this would be happening either. I also don't think Paris should be on twitter the way she is, but in this situation, it's actually been a plus. If things were normal, I'd rather she was privately enjoying life, but in this situation I am happy she has a voice.

She has a voice alright. We're listening

musicjunky318 said:

Somebody better come get this little white girl before she decides to spill all the beans.

The entire family's beans are already being spilled by other people so she ain't doing it on her own.

Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Somebody better come get this little white girl before she decides to spill all the beans.

The entire family's beans are already being spilled by other people so she ain't doing it on her own.

LOL True

angel345 said:

TonyVanDam said:

If Prince Nelson couldn't control information technology, WTF makes the siblings of the late Michael Jackson think that they can control it?!? Seriously.

CASE IN POINT: Lets say that Janet was successful in taking the smartphone away from Paris, it's very easy to find other people's desktops, laptops, smartphones, & tablets that Paris can still use to get her story out through Tweeter, Facebook, & YouTube. The last time I checked, internet access is still free at public libraries, McDonald's, Starbucks, and other food chains with wi-fi.

My focus was more on tact and discretion than technology, and I believe this is why Janet was attempting to snatch the phone from Paris. What needs to be settled, should be settled among family members. Don't turn this into a three ring circle, so that you can grab headlines if that's the intention. Now that this story is out, what now?

If I can remember, this whole thing started with a letter and the lawyers connected with the letter allegedly distanced themselves from it. Now is it possible that the letter contained more than just this lie? No family member seemed to mind Paris being on twitter till it started to involve them.

musicjunky318 said:

Somebody better come get this little white girl before she decides to spill all the beans.

Forget Jason Bourne, this is about to turn into "The Paris Jackson Identity." Now if they would all just cooperate in real life and make that movie!! I can see Jermaine on the cell tryin to bring her in, "just come on in and we can talk about it." Paris will be like "I swear to God, if I even feel somebody behind me, there is no measure to how fast and how hard I will bring this fight to your doorstep. I'm on my own side now."

musicjunky318 said:

Somebody better come get this little white girl before she decides to spill all the beans.

Dat ether.