WaterInYourBath said:

Pr1nceQuik said:

You're missing a few brain cells and a severe lacking in musical taste.

Channel Orange is brilliant.

What's so brilliant about it? There is nothing unique about his voice, and the music is old.

Even worse, Earl Sweatshirt's feature on one of the songs was below his usual standard, and the best composition was Tyler's (an instrumental).

Not directed to anyone in particular, but some of you need to realize that innovation is a rarity - even Prince is considered by many to be a hybrid and not really innovative. So anyone going into someone's music everytime expecting superb innovation should expect to be let down 9.9 times out of 10.

[Edited 7/13/12 13:57pm]

smoothcriminal12 said:

Not directed to anyone in particular, but some of you need to realize that innovation is a rarity - even Prince is considered by many to be a hybrid and not really innovative. So anyone going into someone's music everytime expecting superb innovation should expect to be let down 9.9 times out of 10.

[Edited 7/13/12 13:57pm]

Yeah, I can respect that. I can even respect that folks like the album. I, personally, was just looking for something I could get into since people threw around heavy references like Prince and Lauryn Hill in relation to this album. Then some bitchmade ladyboys have to run up in my grill, defending it like I'm tryna do something to Frank.

Spinlight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Not directed to anyone in particular, but some of you need to realize that innovation is a rarity - even Prince is considered by many to be a hybrid and not really innovative. So anyone going into someone's music everytime expecting superb innovation should expect to be let down 9.9 times out of 10.

[Edited 7/13/12 13:57pm]

Yeah, I can respect that. I can even respect that folks like the album. I, personally, was just looking for something I could get into since people threw around heavy references like Prince and Lauryn Hill in relation to this album. Then some bitchmade ladyboys have to run up in my grill, defending it like I'm tryna do something to Frank.

It's a great album (IMO), but too much hype can really make a good album sour in the eyes of others. When I downloaded it, I expected that soon I would be hearing the greatest album ever. I found myself disappointed because it had been hyped beyond belief. When I relistened again, my opinion obviously changed, but I feel like hype can really ruin a project in certain cases.

Spinlight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Not directed to anyone in particular, but some of you need to realize that innovation is a rarity - even Prince is considered by many to be a hybrid and not really innovative. So anyone going into someone's music everytime expecting superb innovation should expect to be let down 9.9 times out of 10.

[Edited 7/13/12 13:57pm]

Yeah, I can respect that. I can even respect that folks like the album. I, personally, was just looking for something I could get into since people threw around heavy references like Prince and Lauryn Hill in relation to this album. Then some bitchmade ladyboys have to run up in my grill, defending it like I'm tryna do something to Frank.

Personally I don't hear anything similar to Prince or Lauryn on the album.

WaterInYourBath said:

Pr1nceQuik said:

You're missing a few brain cells and a severe lacking in musical taste.

Channel Orange is brilliant.

What's so brilliant about it? There is nothing unique about his voice, and the music is old.

Likewise.

Spinlight said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Not directed to anyone in particular, but some of you need to realize that innovation is a rarity - even Prince is considered by many to be a hybrid and not really innovative. So anyone going into someone's music everytime expecting superb innovation should expect to be let down 9.9 times out of 10.

[Edited 7/13/12 13:57pm]

Yeah, I can respect that. I can even respect that folks like the album. I, personally, was just looking for something I could get into since people threw around heavy references like Prince and Lauryn Hill in relation to this album. Then some bitchmade ladyboys have to run up in my grill, defending it like I'm tryna do something to Frank.

That's always a danger when you hear it being compared. I can't compare what I heard to anything Prince or Lauryn did. I think that's why people are making this seem overhyped. But it's really the act of the media to always overhype something, therefore it makes you lose interest before you hit play and when you do, you're absolutely underwhelmed by it.

cbarnes3121 said:

dreamfactory313 said:

Who is saying that? My Lord! Get over yourself!

yall son of a bitches didnt give a fuck about frank ocean on here til he came out that wonderful closest so u can kiss a lemon flavored ass crack.it just b/c he a dick lover yall now on his top and he not a fucking hip hop artist at the all he a damn singer no way related either

I know you are not talking to me with that bullshit. I am so tired of these ratchet ass, low self esteem, miserable excuses for human beings posting nonsense as if you knew what you were talking about. Ive been down with FO's music for over a year and a half now fool!

DONT PLAY ME SMALL. Do you think I'd rush and buy anyone's album just because they are gay? If so, where are my Adam Lambert albums? Stop trying to question other peoples integrity that you dont even know. Fall back on that shit! Everyone is entitled to their opinions but the shit that you are posting is just that, SHIT!

The album is a good album and YES, I am happy that an artist is able to be so bold and embrace himself fully at the same time that our GLBT youth are facing bullying, predjudice, and suicide. I will make no apologies for that.

TheNatTurner said:

Standards of good music have dropped so far it's funny - mofos are knob slobbing a confused Musiq Soulchild, it is a great novelty album just like TLB and all that other shit that hides behind great computer usage , and that Fallon performance would not even make Showtime at the Apollo, dude could not even be the choir director at your local church

I do agree with the Fallon performance. I was underwhelmed. Dude has to work on his delivery and stage presence.

aardvark15 said:

Spinlight said:

Yeah, I can respect that. I can even respect that folks like the album. I, personally, was just looking for something I could get into since people threw around heavy references like Prince and Lauryn Hill in relation to this album. Then some bitchmade ladyboys have to run up in my grill, defending it like I'm tryna do something to Frank.

Personally I don't hear anything similar to Prince or Lauryn on the album.

I hear heavy Stevie Wonder influence

smoothcriminal12 said:

cbarnes3121 said:

frank ocean lame as fuck and your point??

IDGAF about Frank being lame. It's the flawed logic that in order to make it big you have to be gay. You obviously are not in the know about the workings of the hip-hop and R&B world and how coming out wouldn't exactly propel you to the top. That was risky of him. It could have broken his career for good. But what is it they say? Ignorance is bliss? Frank already had loads of hype that you obviously didn't know anything about. It's amazing how some of y'all read one story about someone and then proceed to make statements about their entire career.

oh come on,you know this guy coming out has everything to do with this rash of support and exageration of his music. his late night performance was called amazing for gods sake, what was so amazing about it? you all talking about buying 3 and 4 copies of his cd. i will give this kid credit he made a great move announcing his gayness right before his new album drops.

Spinlight said:

I really am not into this guy. I don't often do that; come into threads and say I don't like something. But I tried to like his album and I'm not really sure what people are seeing. Pilot Jones doesn't sound anymore like Prince than Andre 3000's solo Love Below (which I found to be lacking any Princeyness). The rest of the tracks just kind of remind me of a few other artists out right now like Kanye, Shad, Whiz, and others.

What the hell am I missing?

Frank is honestly the R&B Kanye. They are "deep " and "Artsy" compare to their peers in their genre's. And I love Kanye. But I was a casual fan of Frank since last year but this album is good and has turn me into a fan now. I'm interested in what he releases in the future.But it is a little overhyped and this album is being called Revolutionary because he came out. He still needs to work on his voice but his music has improved with this album.

He's just Ok. I guess the coming out really makes people like him. Just pure hype.

Timmy84 said:

Spinlight said:

Yeah, I can respect that. I can even respect that folks like the album. I, personally, was just looking for something I could get into since people threw around heavy references like Prince and Lauryn Hill in relation to this album. Then some bitchmade ladyboys have to run up in my grill, defending it like I'm tryna do something to Frank.

That's always a danger when you hear it being compared. I can't compare what I heard to anything Prince or Lauryn did. I think that's why people are making this seem overhyped. But it's really the act of the media to always overhype something, therefore it makes you lose interest before you hit play and when you do, you're absolutely underwhelmed by it.

Exactly. It's good but it's like can you all calm down And someone was saying he's the new adele I was like oh goodness. . He probably will be.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

That's always a danger when you hear it being compared. I can't compare what I heard to anything Prince or Lauryn did. I think that's why people are making this seem overhyped. But it's really the act of the media to always overhype something, therefore it makes you lose interest before you hit play and when you do, you're absolutely underwhelmed by it.

Exactly. It's good but it's like can you all calm down And someone was saying he's the new adele I was like oh goodness. . He probably will be.

The most laughable thing I've heard about Channel ORANGE as it pertains to hype and acclaim is that it is 'the album of the decade.'

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

That's always a danger when you hear it being compared. I can't compare what I heard to anything Prince or Lauryn did. I think that's why people are making this seem overhyped. But it's really the act of the media to always overhype something, therefore it makes you lose interest before you hit play and when you do, you're absolutely underwhelmed by it.

Exactly. It's good but it's like can you all calm down And someone was saying he's the new adele I was like oh goodness. . He probably will be.

lol people just love to make wild comparisons, don't they?

smoothcriminal12 said:

WaterInYourBath said:

What's so brilliant about it? There is nothing unique about his voice, and the music is old.

Even worse, Earl Sweatshirt's feature on one of the songs was below his usual standard, and the best composition was Tyler's (an instrumental).

Not directed to anyone in particular, but some of you need to realize that innovation is a rarity - even Prince is considered by many to be a hybrid and not really innovative. So anyone going into someone's music everytime expecting superb innovation should expect to be let down 9.9 times out of 10.

[Edited 7/13/12 13:57pm]

He looks so cute here, sippin on dat drank!

lowkey said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

IDGAF about Frank being lame. It's the flawed logic that in order to make it big you have to be gay. You obviously are not in the know about the workings of the hip-hop and R&B world and how coming out wouldn't exactly propel you to the top. That was risky of him. It could have broken his career for good. But what is it they say? Ignorance is bliss? Frank already had loads of hype that you obviously didn't know anything about. It's amazing how some of y'all read one story about someone and then proceed to make statements about their entire career.

oh come on,you know this guy coming out has everything to do with this rash of support and exageration of his music. his late night performance was called amazing for gods sake, what was so amazing about it? you all talking about buying 3 and 4 copies of his cd. i will give this kid credit he made a great move announcing his gayness right before his new album drops.

-----> Knows naught about the R&B and hip-hop world.

smoothcriminal12 said:

aardvark15 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

-----> Knows naught about the R&B and hip-hop world.

Exactly! Criminals are supported through thick and thin but noooooo they aren't down with homos

I'm not tryna be mean or seem to be looking down on anyone, but you can't just come out as a publicity stunt when you're involved in hip-hop and R&B. It doesn't work that way.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Lol @ this thread. Y'all entertain me

I can see right now that 2012 is gonna be the year of Frank Ocean on the Org

smoothcriminal12 said:

aardvark15 said:

smoothcriminal12 said: Exactly! Criminals are supported through thick and thin but noooooo they aren't down with homos

I'm not tryna be mean or seem to be looking down on anyone, but you can't just come out as a publicity stunt when you're involved in hip-hop and R&B. It doesn't work that way.

Let's be honest. No one knew who Frank Ocean was, and him coming out helped increase his sales because of the type of fan base he had, it was a great marketing strategy. Let's get real dude was already suspect, he was already feminine, he was an underground artist singing hooks, no other way with the timing of all the gay agendas being pressed for him to come out talking about him some dick - other words not as big a risk as say if an established artist did the same, good job def jam - and the media ran away with it, even calling him a rapper, because no one including journalist in the media really gave a crap about some straight nasal pitchy singing kid from a group of crappy youtube teen sensations,

make him bisexual and bingo

Frankie you on cause the agenda is in full throttle, even to the point if you don't like it you labeled a homophobic, or Target was being labeled as homophobic for not having the album, but Target like fuck a Frankie Ocean and Def Jam we want exclusive shit - It does work that way, and it is working that way for him coming out that he is gay

Frankie Ocean lived a dishonest life, and now wants you to feel sorry for him because he is so confused is he like dick or pussy he wrote some songs about it, called all the computer geeks over made an album, got pasty ass Mayer to noodle, and all of a sudden this cat has the album of the year

shit's an hodgepodge of uneven gay lament stories with Phafake playing parts of all his fav Stevie tracks, not R&B and def not hip hop, casue that shit Earl did would get him 2$ in a hat, that shit Andre did was embarassing sounded like some grade F stankonia track done by Big Boi's baby nephew, and that guitar LOFL man - REALLY (I see why Big Boi don't fuck with that boy no more) and like I said this Frankie cat would get booed on Apollo and prob 2.5 stars on star Search, clowned by Nick Cannon on America's got Talent, wouldn't even make American Idol

TheNatTurner said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I'm not tryna be mean or seem to be looking down on anyone, but you can't just come out as a publicity stunt when you're involved in hip-hop and R&B. It doesn't work that way.

Let's be honest. No one knew who Frank Ocean was, and him coming out helped increase his sales because of the type of fan base he had, it was a great marketing strategy. Let's get real dude was already suspect, he was already feminine, he was an underground artist singing hooks, no other way with the timing of all the gay agendas being pressed for him to come out talking about him some dick - other words not as big a risk as say if an established artist did the same, good job def jam - and the media ran away with it, even calling him a rapper, because no one including journalist in the media really gave a crap about some straight nasal pitchy singing kid from a group of crappy youtube teen sensations,

make him bisexual and bingo

Frankie you on cause the agenda is in full throttle, even to the point if you don't like it you labeled a homophobic, or Target was being labeled as homophobic for not having the album, but Target like fuck a Frankie Ocean and Def Jam we want exclusive shit - It does work that way, and it is working that way for him coming out that he is gay

Frankie Ocean lived a dishonest life, and now wants you to feel sorry for him because he is so confused is he like dick or pussy he wrote some songs about it, called all the computer geeks over made an album, got pasty ass Mayer to noodle, and all of a sudden this cat has the album of the year

shit's an hodgepodge of uneven gay lament stories with Phafake playing parts of all his fav Stevie tracks, not R&B and def not hip hop, casue that shit Earl did would get him 2$ in a hat, that shit Andre did was embarassing sounded like some grade F stankonia track done by Big Boi's baby nephew, and that guitar LOFL man - REALLY (I see why Big Boi don't fuck with that boy no more) and like I said this Frankie cat would get booed on Apollo and prob 2.5 stars on star Search, clowned by Nick Cannon on America's got Talent, wouldn't even make American Idol

Man, besides the homophobia ripping through this post.

When has becoming Bisexual as a black male artist ever been a positive until Frank Ocean?

Hell, just 10 years ago, maybe even 5, if a black artist came out as bisexual let alone gay, his career would be over.

I think if anyone is "confused" it's probably you. This shit reads like something Ted Haggard would type before he gets caught doing meth with a gay male prostitute.

TheNatTurner said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I'm not tryna be mean or seem to be looking down on anyone, but you can't just come out as a publicity stunt when you're involved in hip-hop and R&B. It doesn't work that way.

Let's be honest. No one knew who Frank Ocean was, and him coming out helped increase his sales because of the type of fan base he had, it was a great marketing strategy. Let's get real dude was already suspect, he was already feminine, he was an underground artist singing hooks, no other way with the timing of all the gay agendas being pressed for him to come out talking about him some dick - other words not as big a risk as say if an established artist did the same, good job def jam - and the media ran away with it, even calling him a rapper, because no one including journalist in the media really gave a crap about some straight nasal pitchy singing kid from a group of crappy youtube teen sensations,

make him bisexual and bingo

Frankie you on cause the agenda is in full throttle, even to the point if you don't like it you labeled a homophobic, or Target was being labeled as homophobic for not having the album, but Target like fuck a Frankie Ocean and Def Jam we want exclusive shit - It does work that way, and it is working that way for him coming out that he is gay

Frankie Ocean lived a dishonest life, and now wants you to feel sorry for him because he is so confused is he like dick or pussy he wrote some songs about it, called all the computer geeks over made an album, got pasty ass Mayer to noodle, and all of a sudden this cat has the album of the year

shit's an hodgepodge of uneven gay lament stories with Phafake playing parts of all his fav Stevie tracks, not R&B and def not hip hop, casue that shit Earl did would get him 2$ in a hat, that shit Andre did was embarassing sounded like some grade F stankonia track done by Big Boi's baby nephew, and that guitar LOFL man - REALLY (I see why Big Boi don't fuck with that boy no more) and like I said this Frankie cat would get booed on Apollo and prob 2.5 stars on star Search, clowned by Nick Cannon on America's got Talent, wouldn't even make American Idol

You're right about one thing; everyone is quick to turn anyone who dislikes him, his music or for example, Target not selling his album, into homophobia. Making him the victim.

It works well for PR

ABC: Target's decision not to sell Frank Ocean album raises fresh LGBT questions.

Ocean's manager: Target's decision: 'Interesting they also donate to non-equal rights organisations'

[Edited 7/14/12 6:19am]

Who is Ted Haggard?

What happened to the other threads ?

TheNatTurner said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I'm not tryna be mean or seem to be looking down on anyone, but you can't just come out as a publicity stunt when you're involved in hip-hop and R&B. It doesn't work that way.

Let's be honest. No one knew who Frank Ocean was, and him coming out helped increase his sales because of the type of fan base he had, it was a great marketing strategy. Let's get real dude was already suspect, he was already feminine, he was an underground artist singing hooks, no other way with the timing of all the gay agendas being pressed for him to come out talking about him some dick - other words not as big a risk as say if an established artist did the same, good job def jam - and the media ran away with it, even calling him a rapper, because no one including journalist in the media really gave a crap about some straight nasal pitchy singing kid from a group of crappy youtube teen sensations,

make him bisexual and bingo

Frankie you on cause the agenda is in full throttle, even to the point if you don't like it you labeled a homophobic, or Target was being labeled as homophobic for not having the album, but Target like fuck a Frankie Ocean and Def Jam we want exclusive shit - It does work that way, and it is working that way for him coming out that he is gay

Frankie Ocean lived a dishonest life, and now wants you to feel sorry for him because he is so confused is he like dick or pussy he wrote some songs about it, called all the computer geeks over made an album, got pasty ass Mayer to noodle, and all of a sudden this cat has the album of the year

shit's an hodgepodge of uneven gay lament stories with Phafake playing parts of all his fav Stevie tracks, not R&B and def not hip hop, casue that shit Earl did would get him 2$ in a hat, that shit Andre did was embarassing sounded like some grade F stankonia track done by Big Boi's baby nephew, and that guitar LOFL man - REALLY (I see why Big Boi don't fuck with that boy no more) and like I said this Frankie cat would get booed on Apollo and prob 2.5 stars on star Search, clowned by Nick Cannon on America's got Talent, wouldn't even make American Idol

This thread is 110% wrong, and I don't have the time to dissect this drivel.

TheNatTurner said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I'm not tryna be mean or seem to be looking down on anyone, but you can't just come out as a publicity stunt when you're involved in hip-hop and R&B. It doesn't work that way.

Let's be honest. No one knew who Frank Ocean was, and him coming out helped increase his sales because of the type of fan base he had, it was a great marketing strategy. Let's get real dude was already suspect, he was already feminine, he was an underground artist singing hooks, no other way with the timing of all the gay agendas being pressed for him to come out talking about him some dick - other words not as big a risk as say if an established artist did the same, good job def jam - and the media ran away with it, even calling him a rapper, because no one including journalist in the media really gave a crap about some straight nasal pitchy singing kid from a group of crappy youtube teen sensations,

make him bisexual and bingo

Frankie you on cause the agenda is in full throttle, even to the point if you don't like it you labeled a homophobic, or Target was being labeled as homophobic for not having the album, but Target like fuck a Frankie Ocean and Def Jam we want exclusive shit - It does work that way, and it is working that way for him coming out that he is gay

Frankie Ocean lived a dishonest life, and now wants you to feel sorry for him because he is so confused is he like dick or pussy he wrote some songs about it, called all the computer geeks over made an album, got pasty ass Mayer to noodle, and all of a sudden this cat has the album of the year

shit's an hodgepodge of uneven gay lament stories with Phafake playing parts of all his fav Stevie tracks, not R&B and def not hip hop, casue that shit Earl did would get him 2$ in a hat, that shit Andre did was embarassing sounded like some grade F stankonia track done by Big Boi's baby nephew, and that guitar LOFL man - REALLY (I see why Big Boi don't fuck with that boy no more) and like I said this Frankie cat would get booed on Apollo and prob 2.5 stars on star Search, clowned by Nick Cannon on America's got Talent, wouldn't even make American Idol

I posted a similar theory when this first started on the Frank Ocean thread in General Discussion. I believe this is all a ploy as well, except I also suspect he is not really sexually attracted to men either. Since it's not the 80s anymore, revealing whatever orientation in "Hip-Hop/R&B" is of no consequence now, so something like this is clearly NOT a disadvantage, and if anything, can aid a person to instant popularity (like Ocean). And if true, then THAT'S "brilliant," 'cause the idea has clearly worked, and he's about to win all types of top charting and unwarranted Grammy awards.